Who's gonna pay for it? (Why those evil 1% hoarders!)

[Freedom61]

I couldn't even get to 3 minutes. I'll come back and watch it when my cringe-levels have dropped back.

The presenter did a great job of keeping a straight face and tone. He didn't have to do anything other than give her the rope to hang herself. Talk about rope-a-dope...


I saw this video recently, and I think Gary V explains College in the same way most people here see it (if you have to take out a big loan to go to college that is)

Go to 9 mins in:

I watched the whole clip and it just pissed me off. Similar nonsense that I've heard from a guy I've known since him & I were about 4 years old and grew up together. We graduated HS in 09 and he's in year 7 of college (parents paying for everything, he's maybe worked 1 job and that was in summer 09 after high school delivering pizza for about a month before leaving for school). He has yet to obtain a degree and has changed majors about 3-4 times, might as well since he isn't paying? His Grandpa passed away in 2013 and I know for a fact that a fair amount of the money his parents received from that are going towards his schooling. The funny thing about that is he was saying the estate tax should be raised because people receive billions of dollars and they can't possibly spend it , talk about biting the hand that feeds you! Lol.

That Gary V video is awesome! Especially 9:00-10:30 where he's talking about going to school for business and quit. Tell your mom to F off and forget about her self esteem of saying "...little Johnny goes to Dartmouth for business...", the unfortunate fact is that it reminds me of too many people in my family and I'm sure I'm not the only one who listens to people "brag" about their kid going to [insert name] school.
IMO, college is not needed at all except for the degrees like Gary V mentioned - doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. You can literally learn any marketable skill on the internet right now. That's how I started my internet company earlier this year! I've enjoyed using computers for most of my life since I learned what the internet was at about 9 years old but the only class I took on computer stuff was Keyboarding in high school.

I'm sure there are much smarter people, but it is her fault for agreeing to do the interview. How can you agree to go on TV and debate a cause you feel very strongly about yet don't even really understand it. I think she got of easy.

She is the main problem with society today, getting behind a movement that they know nothing about because it's the cool/trendy thing to do. People like her are the reason cecil the lion thing got so out of control.

Agreed 100%. I'm from about 30 miles from where that dentist's office is. I remember seeing a comment on a local news station's facebook post related to that event (after that event I unfollowed all news outlets because I was tired of seeing it) a woman that posted a comment stating something along the lines of "he paid $50,000 to kill the lion, I'm sure we could find an illegal to pay $40 to get rid of the dentist".

Seeing all the "internet tough folks" when that story came out was rather interesting. People were posting the dentist's address (I forgot his name - guess how big of a deal it was to me? ) of his house here in MN and his house in Marco Island, FL. All I could think of was, you idiots are going to show up and try to do something and common sense would say he's likely armed heavily since he's a trophy hunter. I try to not even watch crap like this because it just sets me off!

Two minutes after watching this video, I saw why you posted this.

I laughed harder at this interview than I have any stand up comedian.


0:00 - 0:03: Woman says "encourage government to get bigger... that's one way to do it."

One way to do what? Further F-up America. If so, then yes.



Work for Uncle Sam to pay off a debt?

Uh, no thanks.

I'll pass on that deal.

0:36: She ironically (we see later why) describes her movement as seeking "more equitable and fair really models, as opposed to the really corporate model currently in place." In the 48 Laws of Power, Robert Greene points out that those who talk most of "fairness" and "equality actually want nothing of the sort. To treat each man equally and fairly entails leaving each man on his own, allowing him to enjoy his wins and suffer his losses all by his lonesome. If he falls, he does not drag down his fellow man down with him, nor does he a demand a helping hand to help him get up. Rather, he rises on his own, by his own bootstraps if necessary, and - fittingly so - as he rises, he brings up his fellow man with him. In capitalism, the system whose fruits this girl seeks to arbritrarily extract, exploit and enjoy, whilst she simultaneously - with that very action - seeks to destroy the seeds that produce said fruit. A class case of the mouth that (uknowingly) bites the hand that feeds it.

Side note: You know, I've always wondered about that phrase: biting the hand that feeds you. If you rely on someone else's hands to feed you, what on earth are you doing with your own hands? *sigh* My generation needs to stop doing forearm workouts in front of their computers and get to work.

2:15. This is when she gives the answer to the question: What if the 1% leave? Her answer is that the United States' capitalism will always produce one percenters. In the United States, the rate at which citizens renounce citizenship rises by large percentages every year. Forbes recently reported that Americans are renouncing their citizenship at record rates. So, Cavuto wasn't talking hypothetically. And, literally, if you remove enough cream of the crop, you have no cream left.

By 5:34, you get to see a kind of sad irony. She mentions that her family "already" receives a great deal of government assistance, which is another way of saying that the government robs Peter (the 1%) to pay Paul (her family), in part so that they can "scrape by" and "send her to college." Her performance in this interview tells us whether or not that money was well spent.

6:42. Cavuto points out to her that the one percent is smart and they are "scurrying all over the globe," no doubt using strategies that @GlobalWealth and others advocate. She regards this as a "problem." @SSimz Yes, it hurts to see the entitlement mindset branded deeply in the minds of a fellow millenial. These are the kids that grew up getting trophies even when they lost, even when they sucked. Legion of complaining. corpulent crybabies, demanding to have their cake, so that they can eat it, too. Waaaaaaaaaaah! I want free health care! Give it to me! Waaaaaah! Waaaaaaaah!!! I want a free college education! Waaaaaah! Waaaaaah! Waaaaaaah!!! After you pay for my education, I want $15 an hour for working on campus!

7:02. The lights are on, but no one is home. This girl talks, but her mouth is not connected to any sort of logical mental process. She obviously just wants what she wants - now! waaaaah! waaaaah! - and hasn't done any calculations or research into the feasibility of her project. She just sees the top one percent as an endless herd of human cattle, enough to keep her fat and fed.

The fact that she doesn't know the numbers for her own campaign show how ill-prepared she is not only for this interview, but for life itself.

And while I did laugh at the opening parts of the video, all I see now is a grim reminder of why I'm leaving the USA behind.

@TTG SS It used to make me angry, too. It made me mad until I decided to leave the U.S. The entitled brats can have this country. They can have its forever increasing debt, its obese population full of unhealthy people who want me to pay for their health care. They can have America.

I was discussing this with my dad last week about tax rates of bringing in upwards of $250k - $1M+/year in earned income, I looked up the rates in various states I'd like to live (hovering around 40%) and then looked up Cali, it was about 50%. I couldn't believe my eyes. What's the incentive to work hard, create something of value, and earn 6, 7, 8 figures to give away half of it?! There isn't! Just as Neil said in that interview in regards to 90%.

This girl is a complete embarrassment to our generation, those that work hard day in & day out, and to those of us who have read MJ's book and trade 7-0 to eventually trade 0-7.

I couldn't believe my ears when she mentioned $15/hr for on-campus jobs! Most of the jobs on campus are more time-wasting than the seasonal govt jobs you get at your local municipality! I remember in 09-10 when I was at UND I worked for their landscaping dept., I was so eager to learn everything about the industry I worked as hard as I did there for about (pay was around $8-9/hr) as I did for the landscape contracting companies I had worked for prior.

As for the trophies for 27th place in little league, etc. I'm a huge fan of Andy Frisella & his podcast The MFCEO Project. He uses the analogy when he was thanking the listeners for all the feedback they received thus far and that they're busting a$$ to try to get society away from the political correctness, entitlement, trophies for last place bullshit, etc. of trying to slowly steer a Viking ship which each rower to turn the ship around. Unfortunately his message hasn't reached the girl in this interview.

Where are you headed? Lol! I love the US and everything it has to offer, but if I'm going to get taxed at Bernie Sander's ultra high rate if he gets elected, I'm out.

 

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[Nicko]

We have the same issues here. Students protesting over Uni fees and debt because they are utterly convinced that someone (anyone) other than themselves should be paying for their education.

If you want to hear a truly cringe worthy interview, have a listen to this Greens Party leader (basically socialists masquerading as environmentalists), try to explain her party's housing policy and its funding. You could almost feel bad for her. Almost.

https://audioboom.com/boos/2924617-...rview-with-green-party-leader-natalie-bennett

 

[Andy Black]

We have the same issues here. Students protesting over Uni fees and debt because they are utterly convinced that someone (anyone) other than themselves should be paying for their education.

If you want to hear a truly cringe worthy interview, have a listen to this Greens Party leader (basically socialists masquerading as environmentalists), try to explain her party's housing policy and its funding. You could almost feel bad for her. Almost.

https://audioboom.com/boos/2924617-...rview-with-green-party-leader-natalie-bennett

I feel sorry for all of them tbh.

"Money is proof you helped your fellow man."

They are so centred on themselves and their own plights they aren't trying to help anyone else.

The don't get it, and maybe never will.

They know something is wrong, they have no idea what it is, and therefore have no idea how to fix it.

They're doomed to a life of mediocrity and quiet desperation because they don't know how to go out and make money.

Because they can't see beyond their own nose.

Because they can't see things from other people's point of view.

Because they don't understand that people who help the most people attract money. (Multitude.)

Because they don't understand that people who help people the most, get paid the most. (Magnitude.)

Because they think they deserve money without helping their fellow man.

Sad.

 

[ExCubeCommando]

I would like to get her contact information. I'll buy her a copy of of your book and give it to her for FREE on the condition she actually reads it.

Then tell her, there's your free damn education!

 

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[BookWorm88]

Did anyone else have a logical fallacy meltdown while watching this?

 

[Bigguns50]

@Cyriex .... You need to get your writings on this topic in the hands of the politicians, media, decision makers !
Your ideas need to be discussed to begin to help solve this problem.
My Daughter will be nearly $80,000 in debt when she graduates. Unbelievable.

 

[Lex DeVille]

She is dumber than a bag of hammers

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At least the hammers create value!

 

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[ExCubeCommando]

Ouch. College did a lot for her.

She definitely learned big words like "economy" and "one percent".

I wonder if she passed math?

Those comments seem personal. I meant to direct them at the mindset, not the person.

Why do I get the feeling sending her to college will be a waste of money rather then an investment? With that mindset, her parents would have had better odds of just giving her the saved money to spend in Las Vegas.

 

[Shdreams]

They are so centred on themselves and their own plights they aren't trying to help anyone else.

My opinion is social media is a big part of that problem. Twitter ,Instagram and Facebook etc. A generation that gets to be the star of there own little show. Watching clowns like jersey shore and the likes get rich off of showing up at a club or fighting in the streets. I see it in people in my social circles. I will dub this the "jersey shore mentality"

 

[Eskil]

Wow.... yeah you said it MJ... cringe worthy... X 1000
I also laughed out loud a couple of times

 

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[DrJake]

I think if I've learned anything from this interview, it's how the rich view money differently from the poor.

The poor tend to look at money through a lens of intense emotion.

"1% of the population holds the majority of wealth? That makes me so angry!"
"1% of the population is HOARDING all the money! Greedy scum..."
"If only I had more money, I could be happy..."
"I have to take out SO MUCH in loans just to go through college! This is too much stress..."
"You made a million dollars shorting the stock market with just $100? You're so smart and lucky! I wish I could do that... Oh? You're selling a course? Finally! My money problems are gone!"

You can see this type of thinking in the girl in the video. The 1% is HOARDING... Her family is BARELY SCRAPING BY... The rich NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE... What? The rich only have enough to pay medicare for three years? LIAR!

Yet she has no F*cking numbers to back it up. So her plan is not based in the realm of reality.


Conversely, the rich tend to view money through a lens of mathematics.

We know that gurus selling "stock market shorting guides" are full of BS.
We know that putting 10% of our measly paycheck into a 401k does not add up to extraordinary wealth.
We know that a leveraged business that serves the market through reciprocal altruism will naturally have more scale than a salary.

The interviewer backs up his arguments with real numbers. So everyone here knows his points are accurate, and hers are based in a fantasy world.

To us, 1+1 = 2

To her, 1+1 = BAILOUT!

 

[MJ DeMarco]

And I think of fox as the equivalent of Tabloids.

Clearly that girl was a lob ball thrown at a well prepared news anchor to hit a home run. By the news station owned and operated by 1%ers. There's 1000's of students that would walk all over that guy intellectually. I don't agree with the girls argument At all let's just make that clear! But my opinion is Fox news is a joke.

Please, are you this dense?

Obviously you don't have the mental capacity to think clearly without your biases poisoning them. When presented with evidence or facts that cannot be retorted, you respond with an ad-hominem attack on the medium? How brilliant. If you can't refute the message or the evidence, then question the messenger? Not very original and about as intellectually amateur as you can get. This is the same method of response people have to my book -- they don't like the facts (math) of the message, so they attack me. In other words, you have no answer to the message itself and the best you can do is point at the messenger and say "You're ugly! You're a joke! You're fat!"

First, I've let this thread ride because I knew "fox news" would become a sideshow talking point eventually in this discussion. It shows just how blind people are to their preconceived biases and let their autonomic, knee-jerk heuristics run a muck in their heads. If FOX (or MSNBC) showed video evidence that your favorite politician was caught slaughtering puppies, the medium is irrelevant, but what is relevant is how you let the medium blind you to reality.

Second, this was not some random protester FOX cherry-picked from the picketers --- this was their organizer. If this was some random protester, then yea, I wouldn't have bothered posting this. This is THEIR BRILLIANT LEADER who by all appearances, has the intellectual horsepower of a goldfish.

 

[Shdreams]

Please, are you this dense?

Obviously you don't have the mental capacity to think clearly without your biases poisoning them.

Wow you sure dug deep into the vocabulary for that retort. Dense is something I've never been called before. But that's your opinion of my uneducated quick judgment of the clip you posted. Which I recall mentioning I probably should have kept to myself. I have a feeling that your passionate reply has more to do with me disliking fox than anything else. Take it easy big guy! I might lack luster in debating and vocabulary. But understanding of human behaviour and general street smarts and a back breaking work ethic is where I shine. I apologize for tuning into something I knew nothing about.

 

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[AndrewNC]

Am I the only one here that sees her point of view?

Student debt and rising costs of education are a major problem in this country and I'm glad shes making her voice heard to get her message out.

There's a problem in this country and she's out there to solve it.

I think I'm going to reach out to her and help

 

[AndrewNC]

I think I'm going to reach out to her and help

Sometimes the solution to a problem is to start from the ground up, instead of trying to fix the broken system that's in place...

Perfect example:
https://www.khanacademy.org/donate

 

[biophase]

Am I the only one here that sees her point of view?

Student debt and rising costs of education are a major problem in this country and I'm glad shes making her voice heard to get her message out.

There's a problem in this country and she's out there to solve it.

I think I'm going to reach out to her and help

Nobody makes them go to an expensive school. They can go to a community college. However, the current society makes them think that paying more for a school increases their chances of getting a job because a degree from a CC is worth less than a degree from an Ivy league school. I'm not saying that they are exactly the same but is one degree worth 50x the other?

Just like nobody makes you drive a BMW vs a Honda, we can choose to get a Honda and still get around, or we can complain that BMWs are too expensive but still choose to buy them.

 

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[biophase]

Wow you sure dug deep into the vocabulary for that retort. Dense is something I've never been called before. But that's your opinion of my uneducated quick judgment of the clip you posted. Which I recall mentioning I probably should have kept to myself. I have a feeling that your passionate reply has more to do with me disliking fox than anything else.

That video was also the first time I heard of this movement. And yes, I have my opinions on Fox News, and it was painful to watch, but she is their organizer. Who else should they get to do the interview? A leader leads and should be able to handle this.

 

[Ubermensch]

This is THEIR BRILLIANT LEADER who by all appearances, has the intellectual horsepower of a goldfish.

Goldfish... LOL!

Wow you sure dug deep into the vocabulary for that retort. Dense is something I've never been called before. But that's your opinion of my uneducated quick judgment of the clip you posted. Which I recall mentioning I probably should have kept to myself. I have a feeling that your passionate reply has more to do with me disliking fox than anything else. Take it easy big guy! I might lack luster in debating and vocabulary. But understanding of human behaviour and general street smarts and a back breaking work ethic is where I shine. I apologize for tuning into something I knew nothing about.

Or, perhaps your disliking of Fox News clouded your judgement not only of the OP, but MJ's response as well.

Likewise, you allowed the intensity of his response to distract you from the truth in his words.

Thinking citizens of any Western nation (not just the United States) should pay close and careful attention - with mental magnifying glasses - to the erosion of financial freedom. Entrepreneurs and the productive (as we should all now know, the people who actually hold up society) should pay even closer attention to the details of the subject, with a mental microscope.

And when you look close, what you see is a nightmare. This girl is not the problem. She is a symptom of the problem. I am sure that when MJ sees various members on this site becoming and being successful, he feels a sense of pride, as it reflects his impact on the culture. Yet, videos like the one in the OP probably make him him feel like he has much more work to do. Sad thing is, no matter what MJ and other Morpheus types say and do, I fear that they cannot undo stupid.

To really understand where MJ is coming from you probably need to know and understand a little philosophy. In philosophy, you learn logic and logical fallacies. The logical fallacy he exposed in @Shdreams was ad hominem.

Logic is a gift from the Greeks, namely Aristotle. Logic, in the words of Ayn Rand, is the art of non-contradictory thought.

Using logic, one can either poke holes in the fool's argument, or wisely craft an argument - founded upon sound premises - that is impenetrable and perfect.

It shouldn't be too surprising that MJ - creator of an actual decision-making tool (which, if I remember correctly, @AllenCrawley used to make a huge life decision to move to Arizona) - knows and understands logic. Nor should it surprise you that rotten reasoning rankles MJ so severely, especially considering the concept of the Ubermensch and The Matrix, and also Philosophy and The Matrix.

Start watching 1:32, and you hear an explanation quite apropos for "The herd mentality can be thought of as The Matrix. Everyone is having a collective hallucination, which is an absolute nightmare for somebody who wants to wake up, and would've been a nightmare for Nietzsche..."

The fact is, MJ's mission and message mirrors the story of Thus Spake Zarasthustra. The enlightened one descends from the mountain, and shares his enlightenment with his fellow humans. He shows them the ideal made real, the impossible made possible. He shows them greatness, and the full meaning of their potential. Yet, they misunderstand him, and laugh at him.

For some time, MJ has employed Matrix metaphors in his writing, likening the truth about wealth to the red pill, and blissful ignorance to the blue pill.

Ideally, a writer lays out for the reader rational thoughts to think. In such cases, that which pollutes rational thought - intellectual amateurism - is Public Enemy Number 1 for the writer.

 

[Lex DeVille]

Am I the only one here that sees her point of view?

Student debt and rising costs of education are a major problem in this country and I'm glad shes making her voice heard to get her message out.

There's a problem in this country and she's out there to solve it.

I think I'm going to reach out to her and help

Reach out and sell her debate prep training.

She took action and made shit happen.

The interview was a failure.

But lots of opportunity for her to get "free" education from this if she chooses to acknowledge it.

 

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[Iwokeup]

Am I the only one here that sees her point of view?

Student debt and rising costs of education are a major problem in this country and I'm glad shes making her voice heard to get her message out.

There's a problem in this country and she's out there to solve it.

There ARE problems with the cost of education, fueled primarily by the fact that the amounts students are allowed to borrow are being perpetually raised...and this acts an incentive for colleges and universities of all stripes to raise their costs..because the students will be able to 'pay' for it.

It's all very slick marketing.

That being said, at some point you have to ask people to own up to their decisions and positions. And if you look around and see that the cost college is getting out of control,you have to ask yourself, "Is this $50/75/100/150 grand education going to be a good ROI?"

That's one of the fundamental fallacies...no one in the 'College Complex' [Family, Guidance Counselors, Universities, Financial Aid Departments] actually sits students down and says, "Look: you're looking at taking on $80K in loans for an art degree. Do you even need the degree? How are you going to put bread on the table with that? Specifically? No 'airy-fairy hand waving explanations allowed.."


*grumble*

When I was going through the process, I had to figure things out. It was a calculated gamble and one that paid off..but for many it won't pay off.

/Rant

 

[Alan LT]

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[BookWorm88]

Nobody makes them go to an expensive school. They can go to a community college. However, the current society makes them think that paying more for a school increases their chances of getting a job because a degree from a CC is worth less than a degree from an Ivy league school. I'm not saying that they are exactly the same but is one degree worth 50x the other?

Just like nobody makes you drive a BMW vs a Honda, we can choose to get a Honda and still get around, or we can complain that BMWs are too expensive but still choose to buy them.

From my firsthand experience in seeing some Universities here in Australia, the only thing that is done by the majority of these young people as they acquire their higher education, is drugs and partying. Little thought goes into much else. They are full of facts and statistics. Complaining about the very education they are paying for and not even taking seriously. Whilst those who are "lucky" and have it all paid for by their parents, are even more stupid and careless. While visiting one of the most expensive Universities here, I had the pleasure of witnessing a young lady who has had everything in her life paid for, throwing around a mac-book, smashing it and later that night returning from woop woop drugged up and off her face with all the other students.

This is my experience with people like the girl in this clip and I can personally tell you all these young people feel not only entitled to a free education, but they want everything else for free also. They do not want to work hard and sacrifice anything. They know nothing about money and band together in groups to complain about everything, upon which they know nothing. I live in a country where any man, woman or child is free to go to a bookstore and educate themselves on any subject. They are free to start a business and build a life. Yet these people, instead of making the most of the opportunity in this country, they complain and complain.

 

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[DrJake]

That's one of the fundamental fallacies...no one in the 'College Complex' [Family, Guidance Counselors, Universities, Financial Aid Departments] actually sits students down and says, "Look: you're looking at taking on $80K in loans for an art degree. Do you even need the degree? How are you going to put bread on the table with that? Specifically? No 'airy-fairy hand waving explanations allowed.."

This. I'm a senior in HS right now and you just described it perfectly.

The agenda right now is "apply to as many colleges as possible and hope you can get into the best one."

When the counselors sit you down for the "college" talk, this is what it discussed:

• What college are you wanting to attend?
• What degree do you want?

What is not discussed:

• How will you pay for tuition?
• Does your profession REQUIRE a degree? I'm positive the counselors would recommend some kind of study if I told them I wanted to be a F*cking janitor.
• What's the best way to serve the market (find jobs) with your degree?

Nope. It's hush hush, pick a college and go with the F*cking flow.

What's that? You don't think you need to go to college? BLASPHEMY. Here, take this brochure.

 

[AndrewNC]

Nobody makes them go to an expensive school. They can go to a community college. However, the current society makes them think that paying more for a school increases their chances of getting a job because a degree from a CC is worth less than a degree from an Ivy league school. I'm not saying that they are exactly the same but is one degree worth 50x the other?

Just like nobody makes you drive a BMW vs a Honda, we can choose to get a Honda and still get around, or we can complain that BMWs are too expensive but still choose to buy them.

Is it really a choice for those out there who are not enlighten to how the world really works?

As you said current society (and advertisers) know how the unconscious drivers of the human mind really work, and they use that to make the decisions for people before they have a chance to make the decision themselves.

For example, behind this commercial you can learn that Budweiser purposely created an emotional roller coaster to stimulate the emotions of the viewer. Before airing, they hooked people up to brain scans to see when the right amount of dopamine is being released into the brain...and when they are about to go into peak emotional state at the end, the budweiser logo is slapped on the screen.

Now their logo is an unconscious trigger for those emotions they felt when they saw the logo on TV a week earlier, and when they see the logo in the supermarket, they'll get the good feeling back...and boom - they made the decision to buy budweiser over the other brands, because it just "felt right".

To people like you and I, we know this stuff and that's where I agree 100% on your view of personal accountability.

But for the people out there who are largely unconscious to this - I'd say that is the reason why I see her point of view.

Edit - I feel the solution here is waking people like her up to how things really work, so she can make a more informed solution to the problem. A solution which I'm working on myself now. Some may listen, some may not - but at least they'll have the information

Reach out and sell her debate prep training.

She took action and made shit happen.

The interview was a failure.

But lots of opportunity for her to get "free" education from this if she chooses to acknowledge it.

Already reached out to her

Her current approach is to try to change an existing system that is in place. I introduced her to first principles thinking where we step aside from the existing infrastructure and see a better solution that could be built from the ground up.

Instead of building a faster horse, why not invent a car?

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Am I the only one here that sees her point of view?

I don't think so, she's identified a real problem (tuition costs and the real value in which it brings) -- the solution is where she didn't her homework. If you're going to make this argument, come to the table with some solid figures, studies, something.

I have a feeling that your passionate reply has more to do with me disliking fox than anything else.

Sorry to throw a little mud in your cleanly polished narrative but I don't watch Fox News. Oh no! In fact, I don't watch any news channels because they each cater to their specific agendas-- journalism and objective reporting is dead, replaced with red meat for audiences who aren't interested in hearing the two-sides to a story, but reinforcing the one that matches their worldview.

Anyhow, when I viewed this clip I saw two people talking-- the leader of an organization trying to solve a problem and an interviewer who asked some hard questions. You saw Fox News. That's the difference between someone who wants to evaluate a discussion to find the point of views and someone who wants to protect their beliefs from critical scrutiny.

 

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[Shdreams]

Goldfish... LOL!



Or, perhaps your disliking of Fox News clouded your judgement not only of the OP, but MJ's response as well.

Likewise, you allowed the intensity of his response to distract you from the truth in his words.

Thinking citizens of any Western nation (not just the United States) should pay close and careful attention - with mental magnifying glasses - to the erosion of financial freedom. Entrepreneurs and the productive (as we should all now know, the people who actually hold up society) should pay even closer attention to the details of the subject, with a mental microscope.

And when you look close, what you see is a nightmare. This girl is not the problem. She is a symptom of the problem. I am sure that when MJ sees various members on this site becoming and being successful, he feels a sense of pride, as it reflects his impact on the culture. Yet, videos like the one in the OP probably make him him feel like he has much more work to do. Sad thing is, no matter what MJ and other Morpheus types say and do, I fear that they cannot undo stupid.

To really understand where MJ is coming from you probably need to know and understand a little philosophy. In philosophy, you learn logic and logical fallacies. The logical fallacy he exposed in @Shdreams was ad hominem.

Logic is a gift from the Greeks, namely Aristotle. Logic, in the words of Ayn Rand, is the art of non-contradictory thought.

Using logic, one can either poke holes in the fool's argument, or wisely craft an argument - founded upon sound premises - that is impenetrable and perfect.

It shouldn't be too surprising that MJ - creator of an actual decision-making tool (which, if I remember correctly, @AllenCrawley used to make a huge life decision to move to Arizona) - knows and understands logic. Nor should it surprise you that rotten reasoning rankles MJ so severely, especially considering the concept of the Ubermensch and The Matrix, and also Philosophy and The Matrix.

Start watching 1:32, and you hear an explanation quite apropos for "The herd mentality can be thought of as The Matrix. Everyone is having a collective hallucination, which is an absolute nightmare for somebody who wants to wake up, and would've been a nightmare for Nietzsche..."

The fact is, MJ's mission and message mirrors the story of Thus Spake Zarasthustra. The enlightened one descends from the mountain, and shares his enlightenment with his fellow humans. He shows them the ideal made real, the impossible made possible. He shows them greatness, and the full meaning of their potential. Yet, they misunderstand him, and laugh at him.

For some time, MJ has employed Matrix metaphors in his writing, likening the truth about wealth to the red pill, and blissful ignorance to the blue pill.

Ideally, a writer lays out for the reader rational thoughts to think. In such cases, that which pollutes rational thought - intellectual amateurism - is Public Enemy Number 1 for the writer.

Wow! I read your whole reply to be respectful. But man I have zero time to debate this. I have zero time to watch the news. I retracted my statement. I guess What i should have said was theres probably 1000's of students able to come up with a more logical solution. Call me dense, uneducated, whatever floats your boat. It has no bearing on my values or opinions. Don't waste your own time with a massive write up filled with examples of matrix and assume I will give a rats behind.

 

[AndrewNC]

I don't think so, she's identified a real problem (tuition costs and the real value in which it brings) -- the solution is where she didn't her homework. If you're going to make this argument, come to the table with some solid figures, studies, something.

I'd say what she has is an MVP as we call it here. First try isn't working out and she wasn't equipped for the interview....no big deal - it's all part of the process. Put something out there, adapt, and keep pushing forward with a new approach.

Isn't that the same thing we do here? Our past failures don't matter - the key is adapting and being open for different paths to the same destination.

I'll see how she replies to my email.

For what I can come to the table with - I was just hoping to rile up some emotions to keep the discussion interesting

But seriously...my reply comes from my own experience. I fell into a similar type of mentality before I read your book, 4HWW and RDPD. I bought into that way of thinking, and something came into my life to poke holes in my reality and wake me up.

I've woken up and now I am in a much better position to make changes in this world. I know I'm not alone on this.

 

[ExCubeCommando]

Sorry to throw a little mud in your cleanly polished narrative but I don't watch Fox News. Oh no! In fact, I don't watch any news channels because they each cater to their specific agendas-- journalism and objective reporting is dead, replaced with red meat for audiences who aren't interested in hearing the two-sides to a story, but reinforcing the one that matches their worldview.

I dropped cable almost 5 years ago. I'm too busy trying to work my business and gain knowledge to better myself, rather than waste time on TV, so anything I get over the air is more then I need.

I don't know why people here get side tracked getting away from the original intent of this post.

This student got her free education K-12. She's an ADULT now, and needs to learn to take some responsibility, some initiative, and realize she's going to have use her own brain and efforts to get ahead in life.

 

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[Freedom61]

This. I'm a senior in HS right now and you just described it perfectly.

The agenda right now is "apply to as many colleges as possible and hope you can get into the best one."

When the counselors sit you down for the "college" talk, this is what it discussed:

• What college are you wanting to attend?
• What degree do you want?

What is not discussed:

• How will you pay for tuition?
• Does your profession REQUIRE a degree? I'm positive the counselors would recommend some kind of study if I told them I wanted to be a F*cking janitor.
• What's the best way to serve the market (find jobs) with your degree?

Nope. It's hush hush, pick a college and go with the F*cking flow.

What's that? You don't think you need to go to college? BLASPHEMY. Here, take this brochure.

I'm sure there will be ads on late night tv in the future for "predatory student loans" from law firms. When I filled out the online paperwork (which was more simple than trying to open bank accounts for a corporation in MN - talk about a bunch of hoops to jump through) it took less than 15 min. and boom, an entire college semester at UND was "paid for" to the tune of $7,000+.

But seriously, I remember a specific time in my senior year (2009) when I had to meet with my guidance counselor and my dad to discuss my "post secondary options". I wanted to start a business (which I did 2 years later when I transferred to a tech school because I hated being at a university) and the guidance counselor basically asked the same crap you mentioned in your post, while she had a pennant flag for Creighton Univ on the wall of her office which I'm sure cost $50k + interest to have a job that pays $30k/yr - that makes mathematical sense. I ended up touring a few colleges and made my choice and I can honestly say the only reason I went to any school was because I was pushed by my parents, extended family (grandparents on both sides), teachers, etc. and it's safe to say the entire society is like this. If you go to anyone's grad party, people ask the grad what their plans are and if the grad says anything besides "Insert university", they look at the grad like they're an idiot or "gifted" and then say some bullshit statement and then "good luck".

 

[Shdreams]

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I don't think so, she's identified a real problem (tuition costs and the real value in which it brings) -- the solution is where she didn't her homework. If you're going to make this argument, come to the table with some solid figures, studies, something.



Sorry to throw a little mud in your cleanly polished narrative but I don't watch Fox News. Oh no! In fact, I don't watch any news channels because they each cater to their specific agendas-- journalism and objective reporting is dead, replaced with red meat for audiences who aren't interested in hearing the two-sides to a story, but reinforcing the one that matches their worldview.

Anyhow, when I viewed this clip I saw two people talking-- the leader of an organization trying to solve a problem and an interviewer who asked some hard questions. You saw Fox News. That's the difference between someone who wants to evaluate a discussion to find the point of views and someone who wants to protect their beliefs from critical scrutiny.

I Don't belong in this debate MJ. I'm not going back to school anytime soon. And I'm grossing around 65k this year lol but you are absolutely rite about me tuning out the second I saw Fox. For the record if it isn't weather or directly affects my life, I'm not interested.