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The one thing I will say here about the US is that despite how ridiculous it can seem, the fragmented nature of the country has its benefits.

Actually Australia is somewhat similar.

In my state we did a lockdown at the start and that was it. We have had mask rules in some areas here and there since but the gym I go to doesn’t follow them and no one has ever told me to put one on anywhere else that I go except for the airport.

The only thing that has really affected me is not being able to leave the country.

Maybe you could try Queensland, especially North Queensland Tim?
 

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Just want to share my opinion on some of the stuff posted here about Ireland as I have lived here all of my life including during the last year and a half of lock downs. I also traveled to Poland and Spain twice during the lockdowns even when my country deemed it illegal/major fines (2k euro) to travel unnecessarily.

Firstly, that video posted with the death statistics for Ireland is highly misleading. We had one of the strictest lockdowns in the world and for the lengthiest time - 2km limit from your house or fined. Due to the way our economy is set up (tax haven basically), a large amount of our workforce is in tech so all these workers could work from home and their wages plus the increased corporation tax due to all the tech companies growing massively during the worldwide lockdowns allowed our government to basically pay for the entire non-essential/cant work from home workforce to stay at home on very good money. This meant that our C0VlD cases/deaths were very low compared to other countries who didn't or halfheartedly locked down.

I was a C0VlD skeptic until January 2021. I knew a number of people who had the virus up until that point and I agreed it existed ect but didn't see it as a major problem. The speed with which is ripped through my city where literally hundreds of my friends all got sick around the same time. Entire houses that I manage as part of my business 5-6 college students per house all in bed at the same time ill.

I then moved on to the opinion that the elderly, underlying conditions and anybody who wanted the VAXClNE should take it. Then let everything open up once anyone who wishes to get the VAXClNE has got it. Anyone who chooses not to get it, that is their choice but they now have to deal with any consequences of that decision.

I still stand by that opinion now. All of my family had gotten the VAXClNE and I finally decided I would sign up for it as they brought in VAXClNE passports for travel/indoor eating here. I was put on a waiting list and a few days before I was able to get a VAXClNE I caught C0VlD. I couldn't walk for two days, lost 10lbs, crazy brainfog/headaches, coughing, massive fatigue. Probably the worst illness I have ever experienced in my life. I am getting over it now and after 2.5 weeks I am mostly fine 90% energy back and a lingering random cough but I'll be good in a few more days I believe.

The part I am most happy about is that I now don't need a VAXClNE.

I was in close contact with family members who have serious underlying medical conditions around the time my C0VlD symptoms began. They were all vaxinated and didn't contract C0VlD from me thankfully.
This is how it should work I believe. I'm young 23, no underlying conditions, 6ft 4 - 170lbs. Once everyone who wants a VAXClNE is covered we should open up. England is doing it now and so far it looks to be working.


I was pretty pissed off with my government over the last year and a half but in reality they are just humans who are reading the same media garbage we are. They acted with an abundance of caution here. Now once the vulnerable have received their VAXClNE we can go back to normal and anyone who doesn't get the VAXClNE can contract C0VlD and easily recover or get very sick... in other words they had a choice to accept a risk so the result of that is their problem.

* It's kind of hard to read some of the posts here from people on both sides of the argument as it's obvious that a lot of the talking points on both sides are being fed by external groups with agendas... be it the government, opposing political parties who want to get you emotional against the other side to increase your likelyhood to turn up to vote for them, people profiting by building significant followings of 'trust the science' and buy my book. Also on the other side people who want you to follow their 'group of american patriots who don't kneel' and buy their merch or watch their youtube videos... everyone is selling something.. and what they want is your attention. You also have other actors like Russia/Iran/China who just want to divide the Western World in general and make it look extremely chaotic so that it is less appealing for their citizens to aspire to.

I feel like in Ireland we miss out on a lot of this information warfare as we aren't strategically important.. The UK experiences it just as much as America as many countries want to use them to try and break up the EU for strategic reasons.

As for the strictly business/lifestyle element of Ireland.

Pros:


- English Speaking
- Highly Educated Potential Workforce
- No Dramatic Weather - Never too cold, never too warm
- Incredibly easy to form a company and super low taxes. Many people will set up their companies in Ireland even if they don't live here. Low bureaucracy in this regard.
- Member of the EU so you can sell to the entire EU market and travel/live within the EU.
- Very social (fun) country, very low crime.
- Stable government, they won't just take your assets/money randomly.
- Close to Europe.. quick cheap flights with Ryanair to anywhere

Cons:

- Weather is just rain all the time pretty much
- Housing crisis if you decide to live here the COL is very expensive
- Cost of insurance is crazy compared to many other countries
- Poor public healthcare system, private system is ok(ish)

Conclusion: Set up and run a business from Ireland but live in a lower COL country where your money goes further so that you can enjoy comforts that would be too expense to have in Ireland. Also, somewhere where the weather is better but ultimately you take advantage of Irelands very business friendly laws and low bureaucracy.
 
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I recently moved to Ireland. I’m originally from Poland but travelled across the Europe during the pandemic (I broke my record by visiting 9 countries in one year - during 2020).
And in terms of Ireland I have the same feelings like @JordanK and opposite to the ones which @Fox shared on the first page.
For me Ireland is very nice, seems to be business friendly. I opened LTD company quite fast and maintaining it is pretty straightforward (never done it in Poland but the law is complicated there and not business friendly I guess).
12,5% corporate tax. So this is why big tech companies are getting here.

Also the weather in the whole Dublin county is very good this year and we had clear blue sky many days. Until now I can’t say it is worse than in other parts of Northern European countries (maybe it is different case on the west side of Ireland). This country is so beautiful
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Besides its downsides like very high rents and housing in general, the country is really nice for me. But I just arrived here half a year ago so… you know ;) it can change.

I lived in a few European countries (UK, Poland, Spain, Portugal) and Ireland seems the best for me at this moment. It has the best compromise.
I wish I could live in warm south climate but need to do my homework on the north first.

I would say that grass is always greener on the other side.
I think the thing is that in your new country your are not so familiar with such a crap and bull€&it which is going under its hood. Everything seems more appealing, undiscovered, you don’t know the local problems and there are new things which stimulates your brain. This might be the reason why we always try to run away
 

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I was a C0VlD skeptic until January 2021. I knew a number of people who had the virus up until that point and I agreed it existed ect but didn't see it as a major problem. The speed with which is ripped through my city where literally hundreds of my friends all got sick around the same time. Entire houses that I manage as part of my business 5-6 college students per house all in bed at the same time ill.

So I get that lots of people get sick, and I don't know what it's like where you are, but in Canada during "flu season" you can expect nearly everyone to be flat on their a$$ at least 3 days every winter. It's a normal part of life. Suddenly it's not.

Every Christmas for about 4 years in a row half our family got Norwalk virus for some reason. It involves throwing up from both ends at the same time for 2-3 days straight. It's unbelievably contagious and very deadly to the elderly and young. Somehow by knowing we were sick we managed to stay home and to ourselves and ride it out. You lose about 10-25lbs during this because you can't eat, and lose a absolute ton of water. If someone was sick we also made sure to keep grandpa away. All by ourself, all without the government mandating it.

I'm not sure why suddenly no one is allowed to get sick, and if someone does you are labeled as someone who hated the elderly and literally wants them to die.
 

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An idea whose time has most assuredly come: Free Private Cities » The future of governance is private.

Now imagine a system in which a private company as a “government service provider” offers you protection of life, liberty and property. This service includes internal and external security, a legal and regulatory framework, and independent dispute resolution. You pay a contractually fixed amount per year for these services. Besides that, you take care of everything else by yourself, but you can also do as you please, limited only by the rights of others and the contractually agreed rules of coexistence.

The government service provider as the operator of the community cannot unilaterally change this “citizens’ contract” with you at a later date. Disputes between you and the government service provider will be heard before independent arbitration tribunals, as is customary in international commercial law. If the operator ignores the arbitral awards or abuses his power in any other way, his customers leave and he goes bankrupt. He therefore has an own economic risk and therefore an incentive to treat his customers well and in accordance with the contract.
 

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So I get that lots of people get sick, and I don't know what it's like where you are, but in Canada during "flu season" you can expect nearly everyone to be flat on their a$$ at least 3 days every winter. It's a normal part of life. Suddenly it's not.

Every Christmas for about 4 years in a row half our family got Norwalk virus for some reason. It involves throwing up from both ends at the same time for 2-3 days straight. It's unbelievably contagious and very deadly to the elderly and young. Somehow by knowing we were sick we managed to stay home and to ourselves and ride it out. You lose about 10-25lbs during this because you can't eat, and lose a absolute ton of water. If someone was sick we also made sure to keep grandpa away. All by ourself, all without the government mandating it.

I'm not sure why suddenly no one is allowed to get sick, and if someone does you are labeled as someone who hated the elderly and literally wants them to die.

I think the main difference is just in the speed of how fast it transmits and how quickly lots of people become unwell. I have never seen entire houses of people all in bed at the same time very sick. Usually if someone has the flu/cold it will spread to housemates but its a process that happens over a longer time period around 6-8 weeks whereas everyone in the household was sick and recovered with C0VlD during roughly a 3 week period.

If C0VlD was allowed to spread uncontrollably when nobody was vaxinated then you end up with an India situation where people who would have lived if they had gone on oxygen for a day or two suddenly end up dying at home instead as the hospitals are all full at the exact same time.

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Regarding the Ireland discussion, I grew up in the midlands and now live on the west coast so yeah the weather is worse here than Dublin.
 

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Thanks for creating the new thread.

I believe that one of the most well-traveled entrepreneurs these days is Andrew Henderson from the Nomad Capitalist (or at least he's the most outspoken one).

Out of all the countries he has visited, in his video on choosing only three countries to live in, he chose Malaysia, Mexico, and Serbia. And that's coming from a guy who has been to well over a hundred countries and is only going where he's treated
He chose all this countries based on a combination of local’s level of english, easiness to start business, low cost of living, opening bank accounts yada yada. And the three countries are probably real good and only good while you live a detached life in those places and can uproot anytime. Say if there’s a coup or systemic racism and he can just choose to leave for another country.

Malaysia can be a bit of a heaven when you consider how cheap things are for a high developing nation even cheaper than lower developing countries. The skyscrapers looks magnificent too and most people speak English in downtown, even speaking between Malaysians. And it’s easy to start a business. But the systemic racism and cryonism is very serious, and that has also spawned crime rates. I feel safer in Mexico City than in Kuala Lumpur. But the systemic racism against the non “sons of the land” is the scariest and the other locals just want to leave or focus on finding money or GF or whatever as @ZF Lee has said as they get reminded daily that they are second class citizens. And it cuts both ways as the some of the non “sons of the land” locals also discriminate back the “sons of the land” and just focus on money instead of nation building. Not sure if it’s right but maybe it’s like South Africa where everyone is South African but not really the same…

So I think we need to distinguish between being a local and a digital nomad criteria, they are absolutely different.
 
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Just want to share my opinion on some of the stuff posted here about Ireland as I have lived here all of my life including during the last year and a half of lock downs. I also traveled to Poland and Spain twice during the lockdowns even when my country deemed it illegal/major fines (2k euro) to travel unnecessarily.

Firstly, that video posted with the death statistics for Ireland is highly misleading. We had one of the strictest lockdowns in the world and for the lengthiest time - 2km limit from your house or fined. Due to the way our economy is set up (tax haven basically), a large amount of our workforce is in tech so all these workers could work from home and their wages plus the increased corporation tax due to all the tech companies growing massively during the worldwide lockdowns allowed our government to basically pay for the entire non-essential/cant work from home workforce to stay at home on very good money. This meant that our C0VlD cases/deaths were very low compared to other countries who didn't or halfheartedly locked down.

I was a C0VlD skeptic until January 2021. I knew a number of people who had the virus up until that point and I agreed it existed ect but didn't see it as a major problem. The speed with which is ripped through my city where literally hundreds of my friends all got sick around the same time. Entire houses that I manage as part of my business 5-6 college students per house all in bed at the same time ill.

I then moved on to the opinion that the elderly, underlying conditions and anybody who wanted the VAXClNE should take it. Then let everything open up once anyone who wishes to get the VAXClNE has got it. Anyone who chooses not to get it, that is their choice but they now have to deal with any consequences of that decision.

I still stand by that opinion now. All of my family had gotten the VAXClNE and I finally decided I would sign up for it as they brought in VAXClNE passports for travel/indoor eating here. I was put on a waiting list and a few days before I was able to get a VAXClNE I caught C0VlD. I couldn't walk for two days, lost 10lbs, crazy brainfog/headaches, coughing, massive fatigue. Probably the worst illness I have ever experienced in my life. I am getting over it now and after 2.5 weeks I am mostly fine 90% energy back and a lingering random cough but I'll be good in a few more days I believe.

The part I am most happy about is that I now don't need a VAXClNE.

I was in close contact with family members who have serious underlying medical conditions around the time my C0VlD symptoms began. They were all vaxinated and didn't contract C0VlD from me thankfully.
This is how it should work I believe. I'm young 23, no underlying conditions, 6ft 4 - 170lbs. Once everyone who wants a VAXClNE is covered we should open up. England is doing it now and so far it looks to be working.


I was pretty pissed off with my government over the last year and a half but in reality they are just humans who are reading the same media garbage we are. They acted with an abundance of caution here. Now once the vulnerable have received their VAXClNE we can go back to normal and anyone who doesn't get the VAXClNE can contract C0VlD and easily recover or get very sick... in other words they had a choice to accept a risk so the result of that is their problem.

* It's kind of hard to read some of the posts here from people on both sides of the argument as it's obvious that a lot of the talking points on both sides are being fed by external groups with agendas... be it the government, opposing political parties who want to get you emotional against the other side to increase your likelyhood to turn up to vote for them, people profiting by building significant followings of 'trust the science' and buy my book. Also on the other side people who want you to follow their 'group of american patriots who don't kneel' and buy their merch or watch their youtube videos... everyone is selling something.. and what they want is your attention. You also have other actors like Russia/Iran/China who just want to divide the Western World in general and make it look extremely chaotic so that it is less appealing for their citizens to aspire to.

I feel like in Ireland we miss out on a lot of this information warfare as we aren't strategically important.. The UK experiences it just as much as America as many countries want to use them to try and break up the EU for strategic reasons.

As for the strictly business/lifestyle element of Ireland.

Pros:


- English Speaking
- Highly Educated Potential Workforce
- No Dramatic Weather - Never too cold, never too warm
- Incredibly easy to form a company and super low taxes. Many people will set up their companies in Ireland even if they don't live here. Low bureaucracy in this regard.
- Member of the EU so you can sell to the entire EU market and travel/live within the EU.
- Very social (fun) country, very low crime.
- Stable government, they won't just take your assets/money randomly.
- Close to Europe.. quick cheap flights with Ryanair to anywhere

Cons:

- Weather is just rain all the time pretty much
- Housing crisis if you decide to live here the COL is very expensive
- Cost of insurance is crazy compared to many other countries
- Poor public healthcare system, private system is ok(ish)

Conclusion: Set up and run a business from Ireland but live in a lower COL country where your money goes further so that you can enjoy comforts that would be too expense to have in Ireland. Also, somewhere where the weather is better but ultimately you take advantage of Irelands very business friendly laws and low bureaucracy.
I used to live in Ireland and have often thought about moving back, but seeing how it's been going for the past 1.5 years has made me a bit less excited. In a strange way it has made me appreciate the Dutch 'directness' more: with the 2km limit for your house example you gave, because the Irish are just so nice and not wanting to be unpleasant, you might have put up with it somehow, while here people are just to direct (annoying/rude I would have said previously) to take that.
Having said that though, Ireland will always have a special place in my heart and I hope your analysis/reasonable take on how things should get back to normal now is correct, but like many people in this thread I have my doubts and will have to see it to believe it first.

On comparing countries' approaches and that video being very misleading: I guess you're right the death rate is a lot lower in Ireland than other countries. Although the official number is almost identical to the Dutch number, you're probably overcounting them whereas we might be undercounting them if you look at excess deaths, I don't think anyone knows exactly though.
Like you said though, Ireland is in a different situation compared to most countries with all the tech workers, being an island and even there the lockdowns were far from a success: you might call it an abundance of cautiousness, I'd argue if you made a cost-benefit analysis the amount of (quality of life) years lost are a lot higher than the ones you've 'saved', but I'd guess this is not the thread for that and it'd take up way too much space.
Also, I don't think it doesn't make much sense to say we'd end up like India/Brazil/wherever the media is telling you is very scary today if we don't do XYZ and it pisses me off a bit when people make these comparisons (none of your fault by the way, like many people, reading anything on the topic can get me on edge at this stage), they never say 'we shouldn't do a strict/long lockdown like Argentina/Peru, because in the end we'd end up with the same death rate anyway plus all the collateral damage'.

I could write a lot more stuff about how I hope the vaccines are as effective as you estimate them to be and the increasing cases/deaths in UK/Israel are just a bump in the road or many other topics, but I wish you well and really hope you fully recover soon!
 

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I recently moved to Ireland. I’m originally from Poland but travelled across the Europe during the pandemic (I broke my record by visiting 9 countries in one year - during 2020).
And in terms of Ireland I have the same feelings like @JordanK and opposite to the ones which @Fox shared on the first page.
For me Ireland is very nice, seems to be business friendly. I opened LTD company quite fast and maintaining it is pretty straightforward (never done it in Poland but the law is complicated there and not business friendly I guess).
12,5% corporate tax. So this is why big tech companies are getting here.

Also the weather in the whole Dublin county is very good this year and we had clear blue sky many days. Until now I can’t say it is worse than in other parts of Northern European countries (maybe it is different case on the west side of Ireland). This country is so beautiful
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Besides its downsides like very high rents and housing in general, the country is really nice for me. But I just arrived here half a year ago so… you know ;) it can change.

I lived in a few European countries (UK, Poland, Spain, Portugal) and Ireland seems the best for me at this moment. It has the best compromise.
I wish I could live in warm south climate but need to do my homework on the north first.

I would say that grass is always greener on the other side.
I think the thing is that in your new country your are not so familiar with such a crap and bull€&it which is going under its hood. Everything seems more appealing, undiscovered, you don’t know the local problems and there are new things which stimulates your brain. This might be the reason why we always try to run away

Ya fair enough and Ireland is beautiful.
I often miss a nice sunny surf on a small Irish beach with good waves and beautiful cliffs etc.

I think sometimes we take for granted what is amazing about our own countries and get caught up on the small stuff. Then on the flip side, we romanticize other places and miss huge issues that a local would notice.

In Poland for example the locals are often telling me how annoying the political side of things is but I never notice since I don't speak a word of Polish. The perspective difference between a local and a new visitor can be massive.

Glad you are liking Ireland - it's a great place.
 

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Just want to share my opinion on some of the stuff posted here about Ireland as I have lived here all of my life including during the last year and a half of lock downs. I also traveled to Poland and Spain twice during the lockdowns even when my country deemed it illegal/major fines (2k euro) to travel unnecessarily.

Firstly, that video posted with the death statistics for Ireland is highly misleading. We had one of the strictest lockdowns in the world and for the lengthiest time - 2km limit from your house or fined. Due to the way our economy is set up (tax haven basically), a large amount of our workforce is in tech so all these workers could work from home and their wages plus the increased corporation tax due to all the tech companies growing massively during the worldwide lockdowns allowed our government to basically pay for the entire non-essential/cant work from home workforce to stay at home on very good money. This meant that our C0VlD cases/deaths were very low compared to other countries who didn't or halfheartedly locked down.

I was a C0VlD skeptic until January 2021. I knew a number of people who had the virus up until that point and I agreed it existed ect but didn't see it as a major problem. The speed with which is ripped through my city where literally hundreds of my friends all got sick around the same time. Entire houses that I manage as part of my business 5-6 college students per house all in bed at the same time ill.

I then moved on to the opinion that the elderly, underlying conditions and anybody who wanted the VAXClNE should take it. Then let everything open up once anyone who wishes to get the VAXClNE has got it. Anyone who chooses not to get it, that is their choice but they now have to deal with any consequences of that decision.

I still stand by that opinion now. All of my family had gotten the VAXClNE and I finally decided I would sign up for it as they brought in VAXClNE passports for travel/indoor eating here. I was put on a waiting list and a few days before I was able to get a VAXClNE I caught C0VlD. I couldn't walk for two days, lost 10lbs, crazy brainfog/headaches, coughing, massive fatigue. Probably the worst illness I have ever experienced in my life. I am getting over it now and after 2.5 weeks I am mostly fine 90% energy back and a lingering random cough but I'll be good in a few more days I believe.

The part I am most happy about is that I now don't need a VAXClNE.

I was in close contact with family members who have serious underlying medical conditions around the time my C0VlD symptoms began. They were all vaxinated and didn't contract C0VlD from me thankfully.
This is how it should work I believe. I'm young 23, no underlying conditions, 6ft 4 - 170lbs. Once everyone who wants a VAXClNE is covered we should open up. England is doing it now and so far it looks to be working.


I was pretty pissed off with my government over the last year and a half but in reality they are just humans who are reading the same media garbage we are. They acted with an abundance of caution here. Now once the vulnerable have received their VAXClNE we can go back to normal and anyone who doesn't get the VAXClNE can contract C0VlD and easily recover or get very sick... in other words they had a choice to accept a risk so the result of that is their problem.

* It's kind of hard to read some of the posts here from people on both sides of the argument as it's obvious that a lot of the talking points on both sides are being fed by external groups with agendas... be it the government, opposing political parties who want to get you emotional against the other side to increase your likelyhood to turn up to vote for them, people profiting by building significant followings of 'trust the science' and buy my book. Also on the other side people who want you to follow their 'group of american patriots who don't kneel' and buy their merch or watch their youtube videos... everyone is selling something.. and what they want is your attention. You also have other actors like Russia/Iran/China who just want to divide the Western World in general and make it look extremely chaotic so that it is less appealing for their citizens to aspire to.

I feel like in Ireland we miss out on a lot of this information warfare as we aren't strategically important.. The UK experiences it just as much as America as many countries want to use them to try and break up the EU for strategic reasons.

As for the strictly business/lifestyle element of Ireland.

Pros:


- English Speaking
- Highly Educated Potential Workforce
- No Dramatic Weather - Never too cold, never too warm
- Incredibly easy to form a company and super low taxes. Many people will set up their companies in Ireland even if they don't live here. Low bureaucracy in this regard.
- Member of the EU so you can sell to the entire EU market and travel/live within the EU.
- Very social (fun) country, very low crime.
- Stable government, they won't just take your assets/money randomly.
- Close to Europe.. quick cheap flights with Ryanair to anywhere

Cons:

- Weather is just rain all the time pretty much
- Housing crisis if you decide to live here the COL is very expensive
- Cost of insurance is crazy compared to many other countries
- Poor public healthcare system, private system is ok(ish)

Conclusion: Set up and run a business from Ireland but live in a lower COL country where your money goes further so that you can enjoy comforts that would be too expense to have in Ireland. Also, somewhere where the weather is better but ultimately you take advantage of Irelands very business friendly laws and low bureaucracy.

I still never understood why Ireland has had such a strict lockdown and places like Florida have stayed wide open.

I know a guy in Florida and when I was telling him about Ireland he just couldn't believe it. Over there he was doing ji jitsu training and fighting, hugging, wrestling. He said some people got it and some didn't. Those that got it recovered fast.

The strict lockdowns here caused a lot of mental health issues and break ups. A 2k limit and 200 to 350 euro to survive on if you couldn't work from home eg. A service business, restaurant,gym was joke.

My friend who is a tiler was only getting €203 euro to stay at home while he had a wife, kid and house to look after. How is anyone supposed to survive on that?

Now the Irish government wants to tax you back on the funds they gave which they forced you to stay at home and ruin your business if you couldn't work online.

They also want to force a VAXClNE on us that has multiple problems but no one seems to want to admit it. My main reason for not wanting to take it.

Ireland is a tax haven. It was a smart move by the government to do that. Otherwise no companies or jobs would want to come here.

I like Ireland but it is really boring here. The summer comes and goes with about 2 weeks of good weather and that's it. Back to the rain.

I think the strict lockdown has opened my eyes to get out of here. Start an online business and live in a different country.
 

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I came to Ireland about 16 years ago and felt like I was coming home (I’m from Northern England and had lived in London for a while).

As a single guy living it up in Dublin I much preferred it to London.

Now I’m married with kids the main attraction is how Ireland is so friendly and family orientated. Our boys have a dozen cousins in this one small town. Pre-C0VlD there would be some family gathering every few months for a christening, communion, etc.

Business wise it’s super simple to setup and run a business here.

Bear in mind I worked for myself from home pre-C0VlD so my business and lifestyle haven’t been impacted much.

Rent is ridiculous. I wouldn’t want to try and get on the housing ladder as a youngster in Ireland.

Oh, and they have hurling here. It’s the maddest sport you’ll ever see. Find some videos on YouTube.
 

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@robertwills I don’t think Fauci’s lie was that masks didn’t work. The lie is that masks do work. The body of clinical research bears this out. I think that’s why he continuously leans on wearing masks as “common sense” not “the data says”. Because the data says the opposite.


Here is a summary article from Cambridge on the research. Although there are studies that show a theoretical effect in the lab, when you look at the studies that actually looked at mask wearing in actual people, there was no effect.

These studies were all looking at influenza, which although not C0VlD is similar in size and route of transmission.

There was a large Danish study in mask wearing for C0VlD. It did not show a statically significant benefit.


On the flip side, there are other studies also showing harm, particularly in children, due to CO2 exposure. The level of CO2 accumulation from wearing a mask can exceed federal industrial CO2 exposure limits. EDIT...I just looked up this study again and it has been retracted, although no explanation of why, but presumably something is wrong with the design, collection, or conclusion so it doesn't provide meaningful information.

This is just one example of many where the official recommendations fly in the face of the actual science.

As a general rule, anytime Fauci or some other scientist says “it’s common sense”, I assume it’s a lie or they don’t know and are blowing smoke up my butt. Good science is not based on common sense, it’s based on data that proves the effect.
Doesn't science evolve and get updated?

This is from 2010.
I doubt it's still relevant.
 

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Doesn't science evolve and get updated?

This is from 2010.
I doubt it's still relevant.

Good science is always relevant. Why would something published in 2010 suddenly be untrue? So long as the design is correct, the data collection is not flawed, and analysis was performed right then the results from the past are just as relevant as today.

Good science that represents the truth is eternal, it’s just as good and relevant forever as long as it represents the fact of nature, it’s not subjective, it therefore doesn’t change over time.

Now if there was some problem with the design, data collection, or analysis then yes the studies need to be redone and reanalyzed to see what the effect is.

However, in addition to the these old studies we have a newer large study from the Netherlands that showed no statistical difference, in science that means it didn’t work (or at least any difference observed is not reliable and is likely due to chance).

Also, empirically, if you look at the strictest states and compare to the least strict, there is no evident improvement in outcome. You should be able to see an obvious difference if there was a clear health benefit, and you don’t.
 

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For example, I'd never consider living in California, but Arizona could be a decent option.

Things in Arizona seem to be back to 95% of normal. Everything is open, full restaurant seating, most business employees aren't wearing masks, and mask wearing in the populace seems to be down to about 10%. I'm moving to Utah next month and during my visits there, it seemed to be the same. (Can any Utah folks care to comment?)

In terms of C0VlD policy, local politics might be your best bet at guessing how reactionary the authorities will be now, and in the future.
 

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Good science is always relevant. Why would something published in 2010 suddenly be untrue? So long as the design is correct, the data collection is not flawed, and analysis was performed right then the results from the past are just as relevant as today.

Good science that represents the truth is eternal, it’s just as good and relevant forever as long as it represents the fact of nature, it’s not subjective, it therefore doesn’t change over time.

Now if there was some problem with the design, data collection, or analysis then yes the studies need to be redone and reanalyzed to see what the effect is.

However, in addition to the these old studies we have a newer large study from the Netherlands that showed no statistical difference, in science that means it didn’t work (or at least any difference observed is not reliable and is likely due to chance).

Also, empirically, if you look at the strictest states and compare to the least strict, there is no evident improvement in outcome. You should be able to see an obvious difference if there was a clear health benefit, and you don’t.

Thanks mate!
I don't see how anyone can differentiate that the study you linked to is correct compared to say this one below that isn't a scientist.

 

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Thanks mate!
I don't see how anyone can differentiate that the study you linked to is correct compared to say this one below that isn't a scientist.


Well, look at that study. What is it? It’s basically a modeling exercise. This is not a study of actual effect, it’s a theoretical exercise.

But, modeling is terrible at actually getting things right. Remember the modeling from Ferguson from England, they said that 2 million Americans were going to die of C0VlD by October of last year. We were a fraction of that number. And in top of that the number of people that died FROM C0VlD instead of WITH C0VlD is some fraction of the official death total.

In general, models are good for forming hypothesis for study. But once the actual data is in it will either validate the expectation of the model, or prove the model to be wrong. Of course making any policy simply on modeling is irresponsible in my opinion.
 

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In general, models are good for forming hypothesis for study. But once the actual data is in it will either validate the expectation of the model, or prove the model to be wrong. Of course making any policy simply on modeling is irresponsible in my opinion.
How about making policy and law based on models, and then doubling down on those when the models have been proven to be wildly incorrect? That seems to be how the West operates. What other entity other than government gets to mess up and then use that an an excuse as to why they need more power and funding. Good ol' government.
 

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What many are failing to see is that the highest office holders in the country are directly misinforming them. Two quick examples, then I show an image with information about Mexico, and why Mexico could be the new center of the free market.

1. Psaki said that the v4x have received the full gold standard of Fda approval. Blatant lie! Bold and straight to the face of the American people.

2. B1den said that you will not catch cl0vid if you have the v4x. Blatant lie!

Now, they are going to mandate federal employees and the military to get it.

Contrast this with Mexico.

- President has been vocal no one will be forced to get v4x
- Employees can refuse v4x
- Employees can't be fired for refusing v4x.

Contrast that list again with the US:
- Supreme Court ruled in 1905 that v4x can be made mandatory
- DOJ recently said they can be mandatory (why is the doj getting involved...?)
- Employers can fire unv4xed
- Businesses can refuse service to unv4xed

MEXICO is the new center of the Free World.

Plan accordingly, and be safe as you watch the quick demise of the United States, once a great country. And when you are in Mexico, make sure you have some pozole!

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What many are failing to see is that the highest office holders in the country are directly misinforming them. Two quick examples, then I show an image with information about Mexico, and why Mexico could be the new center of the free market.

1. Psaki said that the v4x have received the full gold standard of Fda approval. Blatant lie! Bold and straight to the face of the American people.

2. B1den said that you will not catch cl0vid if you have the v4x. Blatant lie!

Now, they are going to mandate federal employees and the military to get it.

Contrast this with Mexico.

- President has been vocal no one will be forced to get v4x
- Employees can refuse v4x
- Employees can't be fired for refusing v4x.

MEXICO is the new center of the Free World.

Plan accordingly, and be safe as you watch the quick demise of the United States, once a great country. And when you are in Mexico, make sure you have some pozole!

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I've been paying close attention to the ever-increasing globalist tyranny and its trajectory for a decade now (y'know, when people would still call you a "conspiracy theorist" for talking about the fraudulent nature of central banks), and even I'm shocked by the speed, scale and relentlessness of what's occurred these past 18 months.

I thought I was being super-smart getting out of the UK in 2017 as I saw it inevitably becoming a totalitarian country, but I thought that would take another 10-20 years. I also thought I had it figured out living in EU periphery countries which are more traditional and don't do "woke", so, they might come crumbling down along with the EU eventually but would be immune to present-day insanity.

Those same periphery countries which felt pretty much 100% free just two years ago are now even worse tyrannies than the UK in many respects, despite a total absence of woke.

Now there are only a handful of countries on earth I'd consider living in and even there, it seems the situation could turn at any time. I just saw that even a couple of states in Mexico are introducing domestic VAXClNE passports.

On the other hand, I think this global tyranny is very fragile and destined for failure, with all the rest of the big government systems careening towards their doom. Just gotta ride out the storm for the next few years and potentially a new golden age awaits on the other side. (Hey, I'm in the crypto space so I might be biased, but this thought is what keeps me optimistic about the future.)
 

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What many are failing to see is that the highest office holders in the country are directly misinforming them. Two quick examples, then I show an image with information about Mexico, and why Mexico could be the new center of the free market.

1. Psaki said that the v4x have received the full gold standard of Fda approval. Blatant lie! Bold and straight to the face of the American people.

2. B1den said that you will not catch cl0vid if you have the v4x. Blatant lie!

Now, they are going to mandate federal employees and the military to get it.

Contrast this with Mexico.

- President has been vocal no one will be forced to get v4x
- Employees can refuse v4x
- Employees can't be fired for refusing v4x.

Contrast that list again with the US:
- Supreme Court ruled in 1905 that v4x can be made mandatory
- DOJ recently said they can be mandatory (why is the doj getting involved...?)
- Employers can fire unv4xed
- Businesses can refuse service to unv4xed

MEXICO is the new center of the Free World.

Plan accordingly, and be safe as you watch the quick demise of the United States, once a great country. And when you are in Mexico, make sure you have some pozole!

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Yes, the list of obvious lies is absolutely crazy, including those spouted by the CDC yet fully in the face of everything we know about medicine.

1) People that have previously been infected still need the VAXClNE. This is exactly opposite of the truth. Whatever protection the VAXClNE provides, natural immunity will be even better. Let me explain.

The VAXClNE produces a single protein from C0VlD, the spike protein. So when vaxxed your body produces antibodies to the spike protein. However, there are many more proteins that make up C0VlD. When you are naturally infected the body finds all of the proteins that are foreign and produces antibodies to each of them.

This means that your immune system has several different targets that it can use to confer you immune to future infections. If the spike protein mutates, the VAXClNE can become totally ineffective, because that is the only protein your body produced antibodies to. But those with natural immunity from infection, they still have other antibodies to other targets besides the spike protein that can help protect you.

Infact, many people are worried that mad vaccination in the middle of a pandemic, especially against a single protein, will actually accelerate the rate and number of variants because one mutation in the spike protein is enough to defeat immunity from the VAXClNE. But a naturally immune person from infection multiple proteins would have to mutate simultaneously to lose all your immunity.

Therefore there is no rationale theoretically or otherwise that infected people need a VAXClNE for immunity.

2) Vaccines work but vaxinated people are getting infected and show as high of viral loas unvaxinated. But the VAXClNE will also protect you.

If vaccines work, then you would expect one of two thing. Either people would not get sick, or if they do they would not develop full blown infection because their immune system would prevent the full blown infection.

But if people are getting sick, and according to the CDC their viral load is just as high, what does that tell us about the Vaxxed infection. Let’s step back for a moment and examine how viral load is determine.

When a virus attaches to a cell, it enters the cell, replicates and then the new virus particles are released by the cell. The number of virus particles produced is the viral load. So the viral load is in a sense an indirect measure of the number of cells infected that then produce the virus. But that is the whole point of immunity, to prevent the cells from getting infected.

Therefore if the Vaxxed vs unvaxxed have the same viral load according to the CDC, to me that says that the VAXClNE is not effective in preventing infection or the degree of infection as described above.

3) The constant flip-flopping on masks. First science is not that fast. Good studies take a significant amount of time to perform, analyze, peer review, and publish. On top of that, as more studies accrue, then a single study that goes against the scientific understanding of the moment would need to be repeated, and other studies that said something else would also need to be repeated. Has that happened, no.

Fauci flips and flops back and forth at will on masks and everything else, literally on a dime. Remember when Fauci came out and said Vaxxed people no longer needed masks? Literally the day before he and other members of the CDC were saying Vaxxed people could still spread C0VlD and needed masks. Not only one mask but three, in his own words “it is just common sense”.

So he has either lied recommending masks or lied saying Vaxxed people don’t need masks.

In medicine, we all know physicians we trust and those we would not send our worst enemy to. Good physicians are rigorous, detail oriented, consistent, and can explain the rationale whey they are doing what they do.

If Fauci and other talking heads in the CDC were in clinical practice, and someone asked me my opinion if they should go to them as I patient, I would tell them unequivocally HELL NO!! They all show a lack of consistency and critical thinking skills, they are simply political hacks and liars, or both.
 
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Yes, the list of obvious lies is absolutely crazy, including those spouted by the CDC yet fully in the face of everything we know about medicine.
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The way you break this down is incredibly helpful, thank you for your expertise and explaining it in such an understandable way.

It's almost as if evolution over millions of years is more effective than something that has been in development for only a few years.

Strange, right?
 

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I ran across this and found it interesting. It is reportedly a leaked contract between Pfizer and the Albanian government. But it’s interesting assuming it’s genuine, which it certainly seems to be, because they openly state the very thing that people are being prevented from talking about in the open. Namely that we do not know the safety of the vaccines.

A few enlightening quotes.

“Purchaser acknowledges and agrees that (i) Pfizer's efforts to develop and manufacture the Product are aspirational in nature and subject to significant risks and uncertainties…”

“Purchaser acknowledges that the VAXClNE and materials related to the VAXClNE, and their components and constituent materials are being rapidly developed due to the emergency circumstances of the C0VlD-19 pandemic and will continue to be studied after provision of the VAXClNE to Purchaser under this Agreement. Purchaser further acknowledges that the long-term effects and efficacy of the VAXClNE are not currently known and that there may be adverse effects of the VAXClNE that are not currently known. Further, to the extent applicable, Purchaser acknowledges that the Product shall not be serialized.”

Does that mean the VAXClNE doesn’t work or isn’t safe? No, it means we don’t really truly know and that has yet to be determined.

 

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I share most of the concerns as everyone has stated. However, I'm not going anywhere. Never been one to run, I'd rather fight. It seems no matter the state, or the country one flees to, everywhere is on a similar trajectory. Like literally every semi populated place on earth is taking orders from the same a holes.

I often see the sheep comparison, but at least the sheep require a sheep herder. People police each other with all their brainwashed backwards logic BS, its sickening.

I look to mother nature when thinking about things often, and She will often resort to a high number strategy when a large number of individually weak are confronted by a massive predator. I dont know why we dont do this as people..Not saying this has to be violent, but maybe financial or work protest of various sorts? You cant tell me with all the smart people in this forum and this country, we cant come up with something? Why do Billions rollover for hundreds, or thousands?
I kinda agree,I wanna figth for the unjust done to the U.S.A
 

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This is my biggest concern! The people are going to agree with restricting the unvaxinated’s freedoms/create a two tier society.

Please can someone answer my previous question. Would you still move country if you’re not fastlane yet??
I would have never thought about it a few days ago and since I am currently on the slowlane and have 0$ to my name, I cant do anything about it, but when I can, I think its a probability if things get worse here
 

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I ran across this and found it interesting. It is reportedly a leaked contract between Pfizer and the Albanian government. But it’s interesting assuming it’s genuine, which it certainly seems to be, because they openly state the very thing that people are being prevented from talking about in the open. Namely that we do not know the safety of the vaccines.

A few enlightening quotes.

“Purchaser acknowledges and agrees that (i) Pfizer's efforts to develop and manufacture the Product are aspirational in nature and subject to significant risks and uncertainties…”

“Purchaser acknowledges that the VAXClNE and materials related to the VAXClNE, and their components and constituent materials are being rapidly developed due to the emergency circumstances of the C0VlD-19 pandemic and will continue to be studied after provision of the VAXClNE to Purchaser under this Agreement. Purchaser further acknowledges that the long-term effects and efficacy of the VAXClNE are not currently known and that there may be adverse effects of the VAXClNE that are not currently known. Further, to the extent applicable, Purchaser acknowledges that the Product shall not be serialized.”

Does that mean the VAXClNE doesn’t work or isn’t safe? No, it means we don’t really truly know and that has yet to be determined.

I found it also but didn't want to post it as could easily be fake.
 

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Lawsuits and class actions left and right in Australia.

I donated a couple thousand to a law firm fighting the PCR tests aswell as the Emergency Authorisation Powers giving the government unlimited control and power under a state of emergency.

These guys onto it.
View: https://twitter.com/GandBLawyers/status/1420315805133115396

They seem absolutely ruthless. Hopefully, the courts aren't corrupted as all crap also.

challenging the constitutionality of Victorian police censorship in court below. Dark...

The state is trying to get the case tossed out because they withdrew their invalid infringement against Kerry Cotterill. It doesn’t look like the judge is having a bar of it—unlawful police behaviour must have consequences.

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