Can We Talk About Gary V? (Vaynerchuck)

[Primer]

And that’s exactly my point. If your starting from a $3m business at the offset then you’re not stuck for money, you’re probably pretty free to decide how you want to focus your time.

Making a YouTube channel from that position versus making a YouTube channel when you have a day job / money worries is very very different. And he preaches generally to people with day jobs and money worries.

Creating a business and scaling a business are two different things. Trust me, I'm at that point now and there's a ton of challenges.

That being said - a $3m family biz to sharpen your tools with is a great start. I never had that.

 

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[biophase]

And that’s exactly my point. If your starting from a $3m business at the offset then you’re not stuck for money, you’re probably pretty free to decide how you want to focus your time.

Making a YouTube channel from that position versus making a YouTube channel when you have a day job / money worries is very very different. And he preaches generally to people with day jobs and money worries.

He wasn't a 100% owner so we don't know if he had 10% or 50% of the business or if any. At that scale, the business could have profited only $300k, and he could have easily made less than $100k. There are many people working a job making more that can't get their business off the ground.

I think you're missing the point. I don't know how to go from $3m to $30m. That sh!ts really hard to do. We have alot of successful people on this forum that have done $3m, but not many have done $30m let alone $20m or even $10m. So don't discount that he doesn't have skills and that you can't learn anything from him.

 

[Sanj Modha]

I do a lot of e-commerce but a $1m lunch date with Jack Ma is no good to me. He's on a different planet with e-commerce so you need some context too.

Follow people who can help you right now. That's my only advice.

 

[ShamanKing]

Regardless of who it is I picked up life changing advice from everyone.

 

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[GoGetter24]

His glorification of 'hustle porn' is dangerous. A lack of sleep, rest, food, time with your family/friends/dog outlook to business isn't a badge of honor in my opinion.

Yep. What exactly is Gary V doing to better the world, such that he needs to get to the next income bracket to fuel that? Whenever I think "Gary V" I think a giant mouth spewing out non-stop noise 24/7.

Once you're a millionaire, or have your version of "enough", there's no good reason to be hustling or grinding or whatever romanticized toil you tell yourself you're a big boy for doing. The only reason he keeps doing it is because he's a narcissist.

 

[Primer]

Respectfully (and I do actually mean that ) I think it’s you who is missing the point.

Gary V preaches to those going from zero to success. Whereas what his life experience was going from substantial success to even more substantial success.

To me he is the type of person MJ talks about who doesn’t preach what he lived.

He wasn't a 100% owner so we don't know if he had 10% or 50% of the business or if any. At that scale, the business could have profited only $300k, and he could have easily made less than $100k. There are many people working a job making more that can't get their business off the ground.

I think you're missing the point. I don't know how to go from $3m to $30m. That sh!ts really hard to do. We have alot of successful people on this forum that have done $3m, but not many have done $30m let alone $20m or even $10m. So don't discount that he doesn't have skills and that you can't learn anything from him.

 

[PureA]

Respectfully (and I do actually mean that ) I think it’s you who is missing the point.

Gary V preaches to those going from zero to success. Whereas what his life experience was going from substantial success to even more substantial success.

To me he is the type of person MJ talks about who doesn’t preach what he lived.

He has stated that although he grew REVENUES from $3 to $30m the business was only ever doing sub $100k profit at the start.

He did not start a "substantial success" or have an "extreme advantage". (even if he did - who cares!)

I'm pretty neutral towards Gary V but interesting how you feel the need to try and justify his success (and spend 25% of your total forum posts doing so).

Victim mentality will not save you.
Play your hand.
Opportunity is everywhere.
Are you going to take yours?

 

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[Maxboost]

Respectfully (and I do actually mean that ) I think it’s you who is missing the point.

Gary V preaches to those going from zero to success. Whereas what his life experience was going from substantial success to even more substantial success.

To me he is the type of person MJ talks about who doesn’t preach what he lived.

There are plenty of businesses that are given to children and they tank it in a few years.....Check out the Hudson Bay Company and Global TV here in Canada to see how a family transfer of owner ship doesn't guarantee success.

I think given a family business is just as stressful than starting one from scratch. There are expectations from your parents that you will do things their way and that tanking a business will be a big disappointment in their eyes.

Not too many people can grow a 3 million dollar business to 30 million.

 

[Andy Black]

If you watch his new videos you'll see he hustles because that's what he likes. He actually says to do whatever makes you happy, not what he's doing.

Yes. He often says “Do you”.

 

[Primer]

Victim mentality?

Wow.

He has stated that although he grew REVENUES from $3 to $30m the business was only ever doing sub $100k profit at the start.

He did not start a "substantial success" or have an "extreme advantage". (even if he did - who cares!)

I'm pretty neutral towards Gary V but interesting how you feel the need to try and justify his success (and spend 25% of your total forum posts doing so).

Victim mentality will not save you.
Play your hand.
Opportunity is everywhere.
Are you going to take yours?

 

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[civilpro]

He's a typical east coast type-a personality. My personal observation is that that personality doesn't work well in the western US, so I don't strive to be like him. Not that westerners aren't ambitious, but they are ambitious in a different way. Westerners are more likely to be inclusive openminded and open to trying new things, whereas east coasters are more into ladder climbing traditional routes (like how original is opening an ad agency in NYC?????????????????????????)

 

[ALC]

His Youtube channel and his personnal brand is its networth & business guys.

He get clients from being well known on Youtube and word of mouth.
He get sales of his products because he's known on internet.
He's a good salesman to be honest and you'll be able to find himself telling the opposite each time : "hustle hard, on weekends also" "rest, take breaks, play hard", but that he tells it less often.

The moral is, what he says is real, but at the end he's maybe here to help you by what he say, but he's also here to keep you under his belt and when there's something to sell, you'll be here for him
> Gary V Shoes & merchs.
> Vayner Media clients.
...

 

[LleixG]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otb6xSg4gPk

 

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[Thomas Baptiste]

I'm a fan, but I'm aware it's mostly marketing. He's very motivational and always persuading action. Take the good and ignore the bad is what I do with him.

 

[Xeon]

Just came across this inspiring vid of Gary from some years back when he's bald:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153147415528350

View: https://www.facebook.com/gary/videos/10153147415528350/


Start at 1.20.
Then, go to 2.20 where he actually picks up the phone and hustles in front of your eyes lol

This vid is really useful for people who're scared of the phone (like me).
The vid shows that you don't have to be "perfect", "suave" or "smooth" when talking on the phone (he's pretty smooth here but his sentence construction is a bit messy at times as compared to a recited script).

I wonder if there's some courses or videos that teaches people how to talk like Gary V and to grow that kind of assertive confidence.

 

[Maxboost]

Just came across this inspiring vid of Gary from some years back when he's bald:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153147415528350

View: https://www.facebook.com/gary/videos/10153147415528350/


Start at 1.20.
Then, go to 2.20 where he actually picks up the phone and hustles in front of your eyes lol

This vid is really useful for people who're scared of the phone (like me).
The vid shows that you don't have to be "perfect", "suave" or "smooth" when talking on the phone (he's pretty smooth here but his sentence construction is a bit messy at times as compared to a recited script).

I wonder if there's some courses or videos that teaches people how to talk like Gary V and to grow that kind of assertive confidence.

Without being to analytical there are few things you can take away:

-He had zero anxiety before picking up the phone. His fear of looking like a coward in front of the camera outweighed his fear of rejection. It allowed him to push forward, most people can't get through this most important step

-He sounded genuine on the phone, not some cheesy sales person trying to "take" but showed mutual benefit. It did not sound like he was reading a script.

-He was enthusiastic about the service

-He provide actual "numbers" which sparked interest

-He kept the commitment very low, He was only prospecting to see if there was interest which put the other person at ease

-He never argued but deflected objections. Agreeing with the other person on the phone is better than telling them how wrong they are when they are not interested.

On the other hand, I think there are a lot of things he could have done better such as actually having some pointers for the viewers. I think its a mistake to blindly pick up the phone and start calling random companies without looking up some basic info such who the owner is and what service they provide, it could have ended really badly with him.

 

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[SDE]

https://www.garyvaynerchuk.com/gary-vaynerchuk-thoughts-on-hustle/

What people think he means VS What he actually means

 

[Royce2]

He’s showing an example of how important Social Media is by telling people how to live the entrepreneurial life on social media and inspiring people to make money another way.

However, he is not an action faker nor does he promote it. He is doing a youtube show called trash talk and Gary V personally drives to garage sales and buys stuff and resells it online to show kids how easy it is to make money. He goes as far as saying you will make more money flipping mugs than investing in crypto.
He also as much as possible engages and consults businesses/personalities and releases the video publicly of the questions the business owners have and his response.

He’s a great dude and wishes well, doesn’t sell his stuff. He admits that he literally repeats himself because so many people still ask him the same questions.

 

[Sanj Modha]

Totally agree with the last 3 posts. Watch what he’s doing, how he’s doing it, and why he’s doing it. Adapt for your own use if you see fit.

Don’t like the “hustle-porn” either (new word on me).

Alexis Ohanian came up with that. He's the co-founder of Reddit.

 

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[ShamanKing]

Why focus on ppl you don't like or disagree with (guilty in the past). Why not just focus on yourself. Lately I've been seeing so much posts about Gary Vee, Elon Musk, Grant Cardone and others.

 

[Andy Black]

@Wiezel ... what’s your biggest takeaways from following Gary V? What will you do differently going forward?

 

[Wiezel]

Be humble, kindness, give value and be happy.
You should treat any person with the same amount of respect as you would like be treated yourself.

Business wise... go for it, do the thing which makes you happy and keep learning.
You don't have to sort it out all by now, keep working on yourself and you'll make it some day.

 

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[LittleJohn]

First off, I know he's insanely successful. I get it.

Not only that, but I think he usually gives out great advice. I'm a big fan overall, and you can get a lot of value from him.

But I wanted to get some forum opinions on some of the stuff he posts.. because sometimes it sounds like he's just selling the dream. I'd love to see other viewpoints on this.

For example, here is a short little fake text convo he had to illustrate a point:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10155341793218350

View: https://www.facebook.com/gary/videos/10155341793218350/


But (as far as I see it) isn't this just "selling the dream?" The part about not watching House of Cards is obvious lol, but the part about "starting a blog/podcast" for video games... how does that just equate to success? Again, I do think he provides massive value, and has to be one of the most well-known entrepreneurs out there, but some of the stuff he posts just comes across to me as saying they will make it if they "hustle" hard enough.

Funny thanks for posting.

Im getting that he's saying to go ahead and if you have an idea and a belief about something then to JUST DO IT already.

OR shut up about it and go watch HOC lol.

BUT, I haven't personally watched/read/studied any of his stuff but just seeing that funny fake text convo that was the gist I got.

 

[ehben]

To be honest I'm tired of all the personal branding ...