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<div class="bbWrapper">I&#039;ve had an idea in my head for the past few years, and finally did something about it. It&#039;s nice to finally post something in the Execution section after semi-lurking for years.<br /> <br /> <b>Here&#039;s the TLDR for the company/products:</b><br /> - I like to read physical books sometimes to get away from screens<br /> - I always enjoyed the format of a deck of flash cards, as they&#039;re nice little bite-sized pieces of info<br /> - I found myself journaling about the business insights I was finding online, in books, podcasts, etc.<br /> - I realized other people would benefit from this format, so instead of just writing it privately in my journal, I&#039;m going to sell it in a flash-card deck format<br /> - I created a company brand called &quot;Mind Gems,&quot; and I want to sell decks of cards with business/philosophical ideas/insights<br /> - Card decks have become a bit more popular (see: <a href="https://bestself.co/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Top Tools to Achieve Your Goals &amp; Be Your BestSelf</a> , the owner sold somewhat recently for ~$20mm)<br /> - The Almanac of Naval Ravikant sold over a million copies (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FF8MTM6/?tag=tff-amazonparser-20" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FF8MTM6/?tag=tff-amazonparser-20</a>) so that validated that people are willing to pay for summarized/curated information from Naval<br /> - I hope to make some money, but part of me thinks &quot;they&#039;re just cards...&quot; so I see it as more of an experimental art project that COULD make me some money and create connections)<br /> <br /> <b>I have 3 card decks so far:</b><br /> 1) Naval Ravikant&#039;s &quot;How to Get Rich&quot; tweetstorm/podcast/blog posts. If you haven&#039;t read/listened to this, you have to. It&#039;s incredible. <div class="bbMediaWrapper" data-media-site-id="youtube" data-media-key="1-TZqOsVCNM"> <div class="bbMediaWrapper-inner"> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/1-TZqOsVCNM?wmode=opaque" loading="lazy" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe> </div> </div><i><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-TZqOsVCNM" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-TZqOsVCNM</a></span></i><br /> . It was originally a Twitter thread of his best ideas on how to build wealth, then it become a full podcast and blog posts.<br /> <br /> 2) 48 Laws of Power (ready to go in Figma, I reworded and summarized the idea for each law and have an image on the front of the card that the book describes)<br /> <br /> 3) Jack Butcher&#039;s &quot;Visualize Value&quot; (ready to go in Figma, I haven&#039;t reached out to Jack just yet for a partnership/royalties deal)<br /> <br /> <b>Here&#039;s where I&#039;m at right now:</b><br /> The Naval deck is currently being printed in China. I had 300 decks made for about $8/each, including the branded box and foam insert to hold the cards. I got the branded box for two reasons: to protect the actual cards during shipping, and to give a more &quot;premium&quot; feel to the unboxing process.<br /> <br /> The cards will have a nice stock, linen texture, holographic edge, and side-drawer box. I wanted to go for a more premium look and feel.<br /> <br /> The front of the cards has one idea, and a QR code that links to that blog post on Naval&#039;s website. The back has more details about that particular idea.<br /> <br /> I have created a Shopify store and used 3D Photoshop mockups to simulate what the cards will look like. The case for the cards will be slightly different (not a traditional case for playing cards, but something they call a &quot;side-drawer&quot; box).<br /> <br /> You can see the product here: <a href="https://www.getmindgems.com/products/contemplation-cards-naval-ravikant" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Contemplation Cards - Wisdom from Naval Ravikant</a><br /> <br /> It&#039;s just a pre-order right now, since I won&#039;t have the cards in-hand for another month or so.<br /> <br /> <br /> <b>Next steps: </b><br /> - Marketing and sales for the Naval deck. This is a very niche market, which is good and bad. I have a few marketing ideas and adding on details to this thread. Manual engagement on social, maybe some normal ads and UGC ads. If anybody has any other ideas for a product and niche market like this, I&#039;d love to hear them.<br /> - Putting the finishing touches on the other decks. I&#039;d like sell all 3 at once in my store, so I can get the Average Order Value up. I&#039;m also thinking of making other products at some point, like posters, journals and maybe wearable merch.<br /> <br /> Hey MJ... wanna do a deck together <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-shades.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-shortname=":cool:" /><br /> <br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/image-88-webp.57570/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/54/54186-ce1a438338fe5b5d799c47edb668e75b.jpg?hash=Ttq2w9tot8" class="bbImage " style="" alt="image 88.jpg" title="image 88.jpg" width="201" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/image-86-webp.57571/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/54/54187-1aa3611ac090db8672340cd9e5c096f3.jpg?hash=DKsuQADns6" class="bbImage " style="" alt="image 86.jpg" title="image 86.jpg" width="201" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/image-83-webp.57572/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/54/54188-877defc3d06b05b3fbc1cf52cf84afcf.jpg?hash=pTLBa-esHE" class="bbImage " style="" alt="image 83.jpg" title="image 83.jpg" width="201" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a></div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 62811" data-quote="StrikingViper69" data-source="post: 1132914" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1132914" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1132914">StrikingViper69 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Is there a copyright problem with this?<br /> <br /> I knew someone doing $5k/mo on Amazon doing something similar in a niche market. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I&#039;m not stealing anything, just summarizing his ideas. Plus, he&#039;s worth a couple billion and always preaches about people being industrious. I don&#039;t think he&#039;ll care I&#039;m summarizing his ideas and sending traffic to his blog. But time will tell. I&#039;m just shooting from the hip and executing.<br /> <br /> The writer of The Almanac of Naval Ravikant was able to get Naval&#039;s attention on Twitter. I plan to do the same thing, but I&#039;m doing a short run of 300 decks first, and then will try and reach out to get Naval&#039;s &quot;blessing.&quot;</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Here are mockups of the other two decks:<br /> 48 Laws:<br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/cards_all_layed_out-webp.57573/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/54/54189-f0d902720cca45b385ec2f08b6443e07.jpg?hash=1Ver5HFaGJ" class="bbImage " style="" alt="cards_all_layed_out.webp" title="cards_all_layed_out.webp" width="200" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/ig-ad-1-min-webp.57574/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/54/54190-2ef1616e2dd44aa17427ee50fa801fe1.jpg?hash=MoVz-DvbgM" class="bbImage " style="" alt="IG Ad 1-min.webp" title="IG Ad 1-min.webp" width="201" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/ig-ad-2-min-webp.57575/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/54/54191-e81be721ec4643dfcbc27dc73d6a6aba.jpg?hash=Dwu-i6SJKY" class="bbImage " style="" alt="IG Ad 2-min.webp" title="IG Ad 2-min.webp" width="201" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/ig-ad-3-min-webp.57576/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/54/54192-c18bab06de3776194d0914fc4227af2a.jpg?hash=dZwWzj6lyJ" class="bbImage " style="" alt="IG Ad 3-min.webp" title="IG Ad 3-min.webp" width="201" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <br /> Visualize Value (I don&#039;t have permission for this product yet, but I just created the concept anyway so it would be easier to sell to Jack, the owner of Visualize Value):<br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/vv_ad_1-webp.57577/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/54/54193-2aa093cd9b09476a3dfe7044e7f86fb8.jpg?hash=8d4nw9mbGd" class="bbImage " style="" alt="vv_ad_1.webp" title="vv_ad_1.webp" width="201" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/vv_ad_2-webp.57578/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/54/54194-c0f90a3e9b91b2f2935bead663c19116.jpg?hash=PBOkldrLif" class="bbImage " style="" alt="vv_ad_2.webp" title="vv_ad_2.webp" width="201" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/vv_ad_3-webp.57579/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/54/54195-85d88756f59e931611f301aad7a84972.jpg?hash=LHOQc33eNm" class="bbImage " style="" alt="vv_ad_3.webp" title="vv_ad_3.webp" width="201" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 63429" data-quote="floridaman" data-source="post: 1132915" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1132915" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1132915">floridaman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I&#039;m not stealing anything, just summarizing his ideas. Plus, he&#039;s worth a couple billion and always preaches about people being industrious. I don&#039;t think he&#039;ll care I&#039;m summarizing his ideas and sending traffic to his blog. But time will tell. I&#039;m just shooting from the hip and executing.<br /> <br /> The writer of The Almanac of Naval Ravikant was able to get Naval&#039;s attention on Twitter. I plan to do the same thing, but I&#039;m doing a short run of 300 decks first, and then will try and reach out to get Naval&#039;s &quot;blessing.&quot; </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>“I’m not stealing, just stealing”.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 62811" data-quote="StrikingViper69" data-source="post: 1132944" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1132944" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1132944">StrikingViper69 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> “I’m not stealing, just stealing”. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Again, you’re allowed to summarize and curate ideas. I don’t know why you’re saying it’s stealing. There are all kinds of summary books for popular books on Amazon.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">The idea is interesting.<br /> Since it is not a book but rather a derivative object you may slip through the cracks as far as copyright is concerned. Be careful though!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 63429" data-quote="floridaman" data-source="post: 1132911" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1132911" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1132911">floridaman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hey MJ... wanna do a deck together </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Are you getting a license for these?<br /> <br /> Because if you did a card deck on my book without a license, I&#039;d sue you for copyright infringement.<br /> <br /> Card decks based on someone&#039;s intellectual property is a derivative work.<br /> <br /> Likewise, you can&#039;t create a Harry Potter card deck.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 63429" data-quote="floridaman" data-source="post: 1133001" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133001" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133001">floridaman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> There are all kinds of summary books for popular books on Amazon. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Which my company submits copyright claims against. Your ignorance of copyright law doesn&#039;t make it right.<br /> <br /> These are derivative works subject to royalties.<br /> <br /> Do my book as a card deck, and I will sue you.<br /> <br /> Are you ready to pay a lawyer $500/hour to <b>defend your nefarious right to make money on my IP? </b><br /> <br /> The only way to LEGALLY do this is to get a license from the publisher.<br /> <br /> And BTW, I fought Blinkist (book summaries) on this matter and won -- and forced them to get a license -- and they have much deeper pockets than you.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">The design looks super clean and well-made but like <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/1/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="1" data-username="@MJ DeMarco">@MJ DeMarco</a> says, you&#039;re in for a lot of trouble if you take action first and then figure out what next.<br /> <br /> You&#039;re allowed to use short quotes if referring to someone&#039;s work but this goes way, way beyond fair use. It&#039;s sort of like creating a video course based on someone&#039;s book but without getting their permission.<br /> <br /> You may have an excellent idea here, though, if you decide to partner with authors for a percentage of revenue or offer a service in which you create these decks for them for a fee.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 5905" data-quote="MTF" data-source="post: 1133086" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133086" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133086">MTF said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> You may have an excellent idea here, though, if you decide to partner with authors for a percentage of revenue or offer a service in which you create these decks for them for a fee. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Ding ding ding<br /> <br /> If you weren&#039;t trying to rip people off, you could have approached the authors with this idea and made a legit product for their audience.<br /> <br /> And then partnered with every single other author doing something similar. <br /> <br /> No legal trouble, same work, nice profits. <br /> <br /> Your company is the company &quot;that makes those card decks for authors books&quot;. <br /> <br /> Stop being a clown.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 62811" data-quote="StrikingViper69" data-source="post: 1133092" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133092" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133092">StrikingViper69 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Ding ding ding<br /> <br /> If you weren&#039;t trying to rip people off, you could have approached the authors with this idea and made a legit product for their audience.<br /> <br /> And then partnered with every single other author doing something similar.<br /> <br /> No legal trouble, same work, nice profits.<br /> <br /> Your company is the company &quot;that makes those card decks for authors books&quot;.<br /> <br /> Stop being a clown. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yep. With the proper partnership, the popular authors will actually probably sell these to their readers. Their support means social media buzz and distribution through official channels. That is more valuable than “owning 100%.”</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1" data-quote="MJ DeMarco" data-source="post: 1133085" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133085" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133085">MJ DeMarco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Which my company submits copyright claims against. Your ignorance of copyright law doesn&#039;t make it right.<br /> <br /> These are derivative works subject to royalties.<br /> <br /> Do my book as a card deck, and I will sue you.<br /> <br /> Are you ready to pay a lawyer $500/hour to <b>defend your nefarious right to make money on my IP? </b><br /> <br /> The only way to LEGALLY do this is to get a license from the publisher.<br /> <br /> And BTW, I fought Blinkist (book summaries) on this matter and won -- and forced them to get a license -- and they have much deeper pockets than you. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <br /> My original plan for 48 Laws deck was to contact Robert Greene, but he&#039;s not the publisher. I&#039;d have to go to Penguin, and I&#039;m sure they&#039;d tell me to go pound sand because they&#039;re so huge. But it&#039;s worth a shot. If nothing else, I&#039;ll just make the deck for myself and friends.<br /> <br /> The Visualize Value deck would be the same deal, except Jack self-published so I&#039;d go straight to Jack.<br /> <br /> If I wanted to do a deck with you, I&#039;d just go direct to you. I see that Blinkist offers 10% for the license... is that a number you&#039;re happy with in general? It seems reasonable since it&#039;s so passive, but if it stops people from reading your actual book, maybe not.<br /> <br /> I&#039;m assuming self-published authors would be infinitely easier. This will be a good experiment to test demand from authors, consumers, and large publishers.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 5905" data-quote="MTF" data-source="post: 1133086" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133086" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133086">MTF said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> You may have an excellent idea here, though, if you decide to partner with authors for a percentage of revenue or offer a service in which you create these decks for them for a fee. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Yes, a royalty.<br /> <br /> Here&#039;s exactly what will happen if he continues, assuming he does my card deck.<br /> <br /> 1) He spends a fortune creating the deck. Orders 1000s in inventory.<br /> 2) I spot the deck on Amazon or another retail outlet.<br /> 3) I submit copyright claims on the content.<br /> 4) Amazon removes the listing and flags/cancels the account.<br /> 5) If the action continues (or Amazon doesn&#039;t act) I sue him for royalties.<br /> <br /> If he is successful at selling these, it&#039;s only due to publisher ignorance -- it&#039;s incredibly hard to chase down all copy infringements and sometimes they can go on for months before a publisher gets legal involved.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 5905" data-quote="MTF" data-source="post: 1133086" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133086" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133086">MTF said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> this goes way, way beyond fair use. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Yup, there isn&#039;t even a gray area here -- it&#039;s a blatant violation.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 63429" data-quote="floridaman" data-source="post: 1133094" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133094" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133094">floridaman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> If I wanted to do a deck with you, I&#039;d just go direct to you. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Yes, you have to negotiate a license subject to royalties.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 62811" data-quote="StrikingViper69" data-source="post: 1133092" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133092" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133092">StrikingViper69 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Ding ding ding<br /> <br /> If you weren&#039;t trying to rip people off, you could have approached the authors with this idea and made a legit product for their audience.<br /> <br /> And then partnered with every single other author doing something similar.<br /> <br /> No legal trouble, same work, nice profits.<br /> <br /> Your company is the company &quot;that makes those card decks for authors books&quot;.<br /> <br /> Stop being a clown. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 4862" data-quote="Kak" data-source="post: 1133093" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133093" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133093">Kak said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Yep. With the proper partnership, the popular authors will actually probably sell these to their readers. Their support means social media buzz and distribution through official channels. That is more valuable than “owning 100%.” </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 63429" data-quote="floridaman" data-source="post: 1133094" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133094" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133094">floridaman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I&#039;d have to go to Penguin, </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Then this is a legit idea. Excellent, actually.<br /> <br /> But it has to be done right.<br /> <br /> If you secure Penguin, then you likely get the rights to all their signed authors.<br /> <br /> This &quot;barrier&quot; makes the idea actually better, not worse.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 62811" data-quote="StrikingViper69" data-source="post: 1133092" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133092" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133092">StrikingViper69 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Ding ding ding<br /> <br /> If you weren&#039;t trying to rip people off, you could have approached the authors with this idea and made a legit product for their audience.<br /> <br /> And then partnered with every single other author doing something similar.<br /> <br /> No legal trouble, same work, nice profits.<br /> <br /> Your company is the company &quot;that makes those card decks for authors books&quot;.<br /> <br /> Stop being a clown. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Cool your jets Fabio. I do plan to get permission. I don&#039;t want Penguin Publishing hunting me down, and I know they will.<br /> <br /> I&#039;m doing a small production run on the deck that will help me have more than just an idea when I go and talk to the authors. Why would they take me seriously if I haven&#039;t found a distributor and have a real CONCEPT deck in place? Otherwise it&#039;s just a bunch of graphics and nobody will take me seriously. <br /> <br /> It&#039;s a TEST RUN. I am now able to get from idea, all the way to physical product. I&#039;ll have them in-hand, and can use them as a business development tool. And I only spent under $3k to learn how to run the process.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 63429" data-quote="floridaman" data-source="post: 1133094" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133094" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133094">floridaman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I see that Blinkist offers 10% for the license... is that a number you&#039;re happy with in general? It seems reasonable since it&#039;s so passive, but if it stops people from reading your actual book, maybe not. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> 25% is the royalty on audiobooks and digital, so that would be the top end, I&#039;m guessing the bottom end would be 10%, plus an advance to secure the license.<br /> <br /> If you&#039;d like, I&#039;ll be your guinea pig.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1" data-quote="MJ DeMarco" data-source="post: 1133098" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133098" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133098">MJ DeMarco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> 25% is the royalty on audiobooks and digital, so that would be the top end, I&#039;m guessing the bottom end would be 10%, plus an advance to secure the license.<br /> <br /> If you&#039;d like, I&#039;ll be your guinea pig. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Insanely nice thing to do. I know you don’t fish for compliments MJ but felt compelled to say.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 63429" data-quote="floridaman" data-source="post: 1133097" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133097" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133097">floridaman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It&#039;s a TEST RUN. I am now able to get from idea, all the way to physical product. I&#039;ll have them in-hand, and can use them as a business development tool. And I only spent under $3k to learn how to run the process. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> You could have spent $0 and asked several authors first if this was a good idea and maybe even secure a deposit to get these done for them.<br /> <br /> Heck, if I were still publishing I&#039;d probably pay you at least $1,000 right away to get these done for me and then we could negotiate a royalty split. Alas, I no longer publish and my list is dominated by freebie seekers who can&#039;t even spend $5 <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /><br /> <br /> I wouldn&#039;t need a real deck as long as you had some good mock-ups.<br /> <br /> Every self-published author would love to have an extra income stream without any work on their part so this idea is viable. The problem here is to be able to get sufficiently big authors who can sell many copies of the deck by themselves with just a single email.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 1" data-quote="MJ DeMarco" data-source="post: 1133098" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133098" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133098">MJ DeMarco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> 25% is the royalty on audiobooks and digital, so that would be the top end, I&#039;m guessing the bottom end would be 10%, plus an advance to secure the license.<br /> <br /> If you&#039;d like, I&#039;ll be your guinea pig. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Would you like to be a guinea pig as well if I were to turn your book into an animated video course, an email course, an illustrated book (appealing to kids or as a nice coffee table book), or another format that would appeal to a different subset of people while still staying true to the message?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1" data-quote="MJ DeMarco" data-source="post: 1133098" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133098" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133098">MJ DeMarco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> 25% is the royalty on audiobooks and digital, so that would be the top end, I&#039;m guessing the bottom end would be 10%, plus an advance to secure the license.<br /> <br /> If you&#039;d like, I&#039;ll be your guinea pig. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Awesome, I&#039;ll get to work on some concepts. Thanks for the consideration and opportunity MJ.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 135951" data-quote="Bounce Back" data-source="post: 1133101" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133101" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133101">Bounce Back said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Insanely nice thing to do. I know you don’t fish for compliments MJ but felt compelled to say. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Thank you.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 5905" data-quote="MTF" data-source="post: 1133102" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133102" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133102">MTF said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> The problem here is to be able to get sufficiently big authors who can sell many copies of the deck by themselves with just a single email. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> True, I&#039;d do something like this if I had the time, but I have so many irons in the fire, licensing is the right avenue.<br /> <br /> I mentioned in another thread that I wanted to create a board game.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 5905" data-quote="MTF" data-source="post: 1133102" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133102" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133102">MTF said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Would you like to be a guinea pig as well if I were to turn your book into an animated video course, an email course, or another format that would appeal to a different subset of people while still staying true to the message? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Yes. I actually signed a license for an animated video course, and then when it came time to do it, the guy ghosted and failed to pay the advance.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 63429" data-quote="floridaman" data-source="post: 1133103" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133103" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133103">floridaman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Awesome, I&#039;ll get to work on some concepts. Thanks for the consideration and opportunity MJ. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> It&#039;s a viable idea when done right. Question is, would someone like James Clear feel it better to do it himself and make 100%? Or license it and make only 10-15%? I have probably 1/10th the audience of JC.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 5905" data-quote="MTF" data-source="post: 1133102" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133102" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133102">MTF said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> You could have spent $0 and asked several authors first if this was a good idea and maybe even secure a deposit to get these done for them.<br /> <br /> Heck, if I were still publishing I&#039;d probably pay you at least $1,000 right away to get these done for me and then we could negotiate a royalty split. Alas, I no longer publish and my list is dominated by freebie seekers who can&#039;t even spend $5 <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /><br /> <br /> I wouldn&#039;t need a real deck as long as you had some good mock-ups. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Probably true. But if I could just spend a couple thousand to get a physical copy, to ME, that&#039;s worth the risk. I have the money. If people took me just a little bit more seriously because of the physical copy/sample, it was worth it.<br /> <br /> I know SOMEBODY will agree to do a deck with me. So the money is well spent no matter what happens.<br /> <br /> Plus I need to find a supplier and do a test run anyway (300 was their minimum order), so now it&#039;s all done with.<br /> <br /> I&#039;m an artist at heart and really wanted to bring this into physical reality. Even if I can&#039;t legally sell it and I burn a couple thousand dollars, it&#039;s worth it for the practice and learnings.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 63429" data-quote="floridaman" data-source="post: 1133106" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133106" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133106">floridaman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I&#039;m an artist at heart and really wanted to bring this into physical reality. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Those are your designs? Nice.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 63429" data-quote="floridaman" data-source="post: 1133106" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133106" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133106">floridaman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> If people took me just a little bit more seriously because of the physical copy/sample, it was worth it. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Not sure you have to go this far, the visualizations were nice enough to peak interest.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1" data-quote="MJ DeMarco" data-source="post: 1133104" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133104" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133104">MJ DeMarco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Those are your designs? Nice. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Thanks. This started off as a fun art project, just creating something I&#039;d want to buy. Then a friend convinced me to take it more seriously. <br /> <br /> I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a lot of money in it, but it could be a fun lifestyle business for a while.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1" data-quote="MJ DeMarco" data-source="post: 1133104" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133104" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133104">MJ DeMarco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Yes. I actually signed a license for an animated video course, and then when it came time to do it, the guy ghosted and failed to pay the advance. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> So how was the deal supposed to work? They pay an advance payment, make the course themselves (at no cost to you), then they sell it on their site or yours and split the revenue?<br /> <br /> Would this make sense to you if, say, it was hosted on Teachable or Gumroad with an automatic revenue share to reduce headaches?<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 1" data-quote="MJ DeMarco" data-source="post: 1133104" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133104" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133104">MJ DeMarco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It&#039;s a viable idea when done right. Question is, would someone like James Clear feel it better to do it himself and make 100%? Or license it and make only 10-15%? I have probably 1/10th the audience of JC. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> It&#039;s kind of funny targeting here as you can&#039;t go too small (because you won&#039;t sell much, unless it&#039;s a promising author) and you can&#039;t go too big (because then they&#039;ll indeed prefer to do it themselves unless you have something unique to bring to the table, like your own platform and buyers).<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 63429" data-quote="floridaman" data-source="post: 1133106" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133106" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133106">floridaman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I&#039;m an artist at heart and really wanted to bring this into physical reality. Even if I can&#039;t legally sell it and I burn a couple thousand dollars, it&#039;s worth it for the practice and learnings. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> No argument here whatsoever. That makes sense. I thought you hired someone else to do these designs. I&#039;d hire you on the spot for such a project based on these visualizations.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 5905" data-quote="MTF" data-source="post: 1133112" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133112" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133112">MTF said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It&#039;s kind of funny targeting here as you can&#039;t go too small (because you won&#039;t sell much, unless it&#039;s a promising author) and you can&#039;t go too big (because then they&#039;ll indeed prefer to do it themselves unless you have something unique to bring to the table, like your own platform and buyers). </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>He only needs 1 deal to get started, and Mj could be the perfect Guinea pig<br /> <br /> You could actually build your own Shopify store, email/customer list and brand around high quality cards, and then leverage that to get bigger authors/publishers onboard. You could really grow a huge social following too for this.<br /> <br /> Build a reputation for making really valuable cards with your customers so that any author can’t just create their own, customers demand your brands ones.<br /> <br /> Become a built in upsell on Amazon for every authors books.<br /> <br /> I think you’re underestimating the potential of this idea, and the good thing is it’s not going anywhere, this market is evergreen, so I would say slow down and really do this properly, one author at a time. The key like any business is the standard of execution. This idea is worth doing properly.<br /> <br /> I would keep all this in mind when naming the brand. You want yours to be the real deal, what people call these cards. I’m too lazy to think of a better example but Hoover etc, like you want to be that for whatever this type of card is called.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 22018" data-quote="MitchC" data-source="post: 1133115" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133115" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133115">MitchC said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> He only needs 1 deal to get started, and Mj could be the perfect Guinea pig<br /> <br /> You could actually build your own Shopify store, email/customer list and brand around high quality cards, and then leverage that to get bigger authors/publishers onboard. You could really grow a huge social following too for this.<br /> <br /> Build a reputation for making really valuable cards with your customers so that any author can’t just create their own, customers demand your brands ones.<br /> <br /> Become a built in upsell on Amazon for every authors books.<br /> <br /> I think you’re underestimating the potential of this idea, and the good thing is it’s not going anywhere, this market is evergreen, so I would say slow down and really do this properly, one author at a time. The key like any business is the standard of execution. This idea is worth doing properly.<br /> <br /> I would keep all this in mind when naming the brand. You want yours to be the real deal, what people call these cards. I’m too lazy to think of a better example but Hoover etc, like you want to be that for whatever this type of card is called. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I wanted to quote this (below) and respond in a similar way to you. And if he doesn&#039;t want to take it seriously then I can start this and happily hire him <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /><br /> <br /> This is a really good idea if you can find an excellent designer who doesn&#039;t cost a fortune (and a high-quality manufacturer).<br /> <br /> I&#039;d personally do print on demand (as a precaution in case you can&#039;t sell enough and for simplicity - no inventory), though, and do everything in the US (why are people doing even PRINTING in China?).<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 63429" data-quote="floridaman" data-source="post: 1133111" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133111" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133111">floridaman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a lot of money in it, but it could be a fun lifestyle business for a while. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 5905" data-quote="MTF" data-source="post: 1133119" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133119" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133119">MTF said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I wanted to quote this (below) and respond in a similar way to you. And if he doesn&#039;t want to take it seriously then I can start this and happily hire him <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /><br /> <br /> This is a really good idea if you can find an excellent designer who doesn&#039;t cost a fortune (and a high-quality manufacturer).<br /> <br /> I&#039;d personally do print on demand (as a precaution in case you can&#039;t sell enough and for simplicity - no inventory), though, and do everything in the US (why are people doing even PRINTING in China?). </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yeah it&#039;s such a good idea<br /> <br /> Adds value to authors, Amazon, publishers and customers<br /> <br /> Scales easily<br /> <br /> Takes barely any time to run<br /> <br /> And the barrier is sick<br /> <br /> It&#039;s like 2 barriers in one<br /> <br /> You get the licences so no one else can get them<br /> <br /> But also, you need the reputation to get the licences in the first place, so no one can just start a competitor and go and get licences you haven&#039;t got yet because they don&#039;t have your reputation<br /> <br /> 300 units is nothing, TMF has been selling for years, even if it&#039;s not an instant hit which I think with Mjs email list it would be, they&#039;d sell over time, it&#039;s not a trend that has a short window<br /> <br /> I do agree about manufacturing in USA though, you wouldn&#039;t save much going to China and the longer lead times and worse quality/reputation would be a headache</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 5905" data-quote="MTF" data-source="post: 1133119" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133119" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133119">MTF said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I wanted to quote this (below) and respond in a similar way to you. And if he doesn&#039;t want to take it seriously then I can start this and happily hire him <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /><br /> <br /> This is a really good idea if you can find an excellent designer who doesn&#039;t cost a fortune (and a high-quality manufacturer).<br /> <br /> I&#039;d personally do print on demand (as a precaution in case you can&#039;t sell enough and for simplicity - no inventory), though, and do everything in the US (why are people doing even PRINTING in China?). </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I do the designs myself, so I can save a ton of money. Once I start making money, I could hire a designer. The good thing is that I can take a lot of shortcuts there, because I&#039;ve been a designer for 25 years and know what to look for, and can take the reigns when needed. <br /> <br /> I found a card manufacturer about 20 mins away from me. They specialize in card decks and games. However, I couldn&#039;t get the nicer case I wanted, and they couldn&#039;t do the holographic edge. Not to mention, they were 2-3x the cost. So the quality is better + more features and costs less with China sourcing. <br /> <br /> I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a print-on-demand company for card decks. Maybe that&#039;s another idea.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 5905" data-quote="MTF" data-source="post: 1133112" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133112" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133112">MTF said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> So how was the deal supposed to work? They pay an advance payment, make the course themselves (at no cost to you), then they sell it on their site or yours and split the revenue? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Yes, basically. This was a good 5-7 years ago so I&#039;m trying to remember.<br /> <br /> And it was required that sales be reported as they occurred. They would sell it, but I would also rep it too.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 5905" data-quote="MTF" data-source="post: 1133112" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1133112" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1133112">MTF said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Would this make sense to you if, say, it was hosted on Teachable or Gumroad with an automatic revenue share to reduce headaches? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Any deal would be minimal involvement which is the point of selling the license.<br /> <br /> Quality was more important than the channels they want to sell on.</div>
 
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