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Free registration at the forum removes this block.Has anyone ever seen something like this in real life?
Not saying I’d buy one but I’m curious to actually see one in person they look cool
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Damn. So many of these tools now. I love how simple they are.
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I wouldn't trust anyone giving guarantees, and yes, it takes time to work . Doesn't sound strange to me.I genuinely can't tell if I'm dumb, or if I just don't understand how marketing firms work. (small or large)
After interviewing and asking multiple marketing agencies variations of "If I spend $X amount with you, what is the average return I could expect to see?"...
90% of the responses have been something like "Well, we can't say for sure, and it's going to take at least three months for us to really know."
I totally understand you can't guarantee results, it depends, etc. but as someone who's dropping a significant amount of money (to me) on your services, I feel like I need SOME idea of what to expect. And without performance targets/goals, how will we know when to improve things, switch channels, etc? Also, I have two years of data to start with, so it's not like we're starting from scratch.
It just feels like a total run-around "I just want your money" game where nobody will give me an answer that instills any sort of confidence in their service. It's like they expect me to just blindly use their service and hope things work out.
I'm all for giving people a chance and I understand things take time and money to get going, but blind hope doesn't quite work for me.
Maybe I'm wrong for asking what to expect, but after talking to so many people I'm starting to wonder if I'm approaching this completely wrong and asking the wrong questions.
No, you're not dumb.I genuinely can't tell if I'm dumb, or if I just don't understand how marketing firms work. (small or large)
After interviewing and asking multiple marketing agencies variations of "If I spend $X amount with you, what is the average return I could expect to see?"...
90% of the responses have been something like "Well, we can't say for sure, and it's going to take at least three months for us to really know."
I totally understand you can't guarantee results, it depends, etc. but as someone who's dropping a significant amount of money (to me) on your services, I feel like I need SOME idea of what to expect. And without performance targets/goals, how will we know when to improve things, switch channels, etc? Also, I have two years of data to start with, so it's not like we're starting from scratch.
It just feels like a total run-around "I just want your money" game where nobody will give me an answer that instills any sort of confidence in their service. It's like they expect me to just blindly use their service and hope things work out.
I'm all for giving people a chance and I understand things take time and money to get going, but blind hope doesn't quite work for me.
Maybe I'm wrong for asking what to expect, but after talking to so many people I'm starting to wonder if I'm approaching this completely wrong and asking the wrong questions.
I think it's a good question to ask. Because it will expose how a marketing firm approaches their craft.I genuinely can't tell if I'm dumb, or if I just don't understand how marketing firms work. (small or large)
After interviewing and asking multiple marketing agencies variations of "If I spend $X amount with you, what is the average return I could expect to see?"...
90% of the responses have been something like "Well, we can't say for sure, and it's going to take at least three months for us to really know."
I totally understand you can't guarantee results, it depends, etc. but as someone who's dropping a significant amount of money (to me) on your services, I feel like I need SOME idea of what to expect. And without performance targets/goals, how will we know when to improve things, switch channels, etc? Also, I have two years of data to start with, so it's not like we're starting from scratch.
It just feels like a total run-around "I just want your money" game where nobody will give me an answer that instills any sort of confidence in their service. It's like they expect me to just blindly use their service and hope things work out.
I'm all for giving people a chance and I understand things take time and money to get going, but blind hope doesn't quite work for me.
Maybe I'm wrong for asking what to expect, but after talking to so many people I'm starting to wonder if I'm approaching this completely wrong and asking the wrong questions.
Haha, if this is real, you can confidently say that this guy isn't happy with his life. Wow.
I dunno, do you hear how horrible those paparazzi people are? Or is that what you mean? The guy on the phone seems to be living his best life, the guy yelling sounds deranged.Haha, if this is real, you can confidently say that this guy isn't happy with his life. Wow.
I would have to be on the edge of a mental breakdown to get to that place.
I'm referring to the guy screaming.I dunno, do you hear how horrible those paparazzi people are? Or is that what you mean? The guy on the phone seems to be living his best life, the guy yelling sounds deranged.
Haha, if this is real, you can confidently say that this guy isn't happy with his life. Wow.
I would have to be on the edge of a mental breakdown to get to that place.
edit: to be clear, I'm referring to the guy screaming.
Dealing with Estate Agents atm as I’m moving.Parparazzi are even worse than estate agents, fortunately most of us don't need to deal with them
Dealing with Estate Agents atm as I’m moving.
I hate them so much
Who has the best approach, that they can explain clearly, that makes sense to you, where you can say to yourself, "Yeah, I see that working"?
- The more proof of prior results, the better.
- The more customers they have made successful in your industry, the better.
- The more straightforward and upfront they are with you, the better. I would steer clear of anyone who makes specific promises of results, unless they're putting their money where their mouth is (e.g. if they're saying, "We'll get you a minimum of 25 customers per month," I wouldn't believe it for one second, unless it was accompanied by an arrangement like, "You only pay us if we bring you a customer." That is going to be super unlikely to find, though. If you do find it, it'll either be a unicorn who has truly worked out how to repeatedly get results in your industry, or it will be someone who is just getting started and really doesn't know their stuff, but it's structuring the deal like that in hopes of getting their first few clients.
This is golden advice and clears up a lot for me. This is a much better question and giving them access to my data before committing to a deal would be hugely beneficial.Rather than asking, "If I spend $X amount with you, what is the average return I could expect to see," a question that's likely to get you more actionable information is, "Based on my two years of data, how confident are you that you could give me an uptick in results, and what approach would you use to make that happen?" Give them time to look at your data and make a plan and get back to you with a quote. See if their plan makes sense and if you're willing to go along with it for a long enough time to see if it is working. It'll really come down to a judgment call by you rather than any meaningful guarantee of results.
Based on the average size of the firms I've talked to (very small, relatively) I think I'm actually talking to a technician 90% of the time. There's very little selling going on, it's never clear what I get out of the deals, and all they talk about is that they used to work for X big firm and the latest platform changes.I think it's a good question to ask. Because it will expose how a marketing firm approaches their craft.
But I think you need to understand how difficult it is to actually answer that question. Remember you're talking to a salesperson not a math nerd.
I think you're totally correct and this is the biggest problem and is why things stall/get weird. Compared to my current approach, I believe Bekit's question (quoted in my post above) is a far better way to get the answers I'm looking for.Many of these numbers are not available to a marketing firm during the sales process. So the best they could do is guess. And they aren't in the best position to give a solid educated guess.
But they think you're going to hold them to their guess.
If they guess low, they have a better chance of wowing you, but you might not hire them. And if they guess high, they might not live up to their expectation and you might fire them.
So actually giving you a number is not in a marketing firm's best interest.
This is where my unfamiliarity with the space shows IMO. I've heard this many times and it's always a red flag to me because - in my mind - of course, they want me on the hook for as long as possible. That's how they make their money!Typically I respond to the question of ROI by pointing out that the ROI gets better the longer we work together.
These are super helpful - especially the last one. Thinking through it now, I feel like I've been missing the "why" from a lot of my conversations. As in, why things take 3-6 months, why they're unable to tell me anything, why they won't say what their strategy is, etc. But your last question will definitely help me iron those wrinkles out.And that's where that part of the conversation stops...
If you don't like the answer to your question, then follow up with a question of how long before we break even on the campaign.
If they don't want to give you a good answer to that, ask how many leads you can expect.
You can also ask how long before you see your first lead/sale.
Once you get them to give you a number or time frame, ask them how they came up with that number.
Literally for the last two months lol. But the advice shared here will definitely help me overcome this hurdle.All you're really looking for is somebody who's got their neurons firing and understand the priorities of the business owner, and the process to get you there.
This is fantastic. Shifting the timeframe from today -> ~2 years will be huge for both parties IMO.Lastly... Everybody always focuses on how quickly you'll start making money.
Ask them how they plan on improving their results a year from now. Two years from now.
Very few will have answers for questions like that, but the ones who do are the ones who know their stuff.
How long is a normal amount of time to search for a tenant for a single family rental property? Should it take at least 1 month? When is it too long and time to fire your property manager?
Thanks. Yeah, I've had to really press them for any feedback from the showings they've had. It doesn't seem like great service on their part, but what I'm asking is timeframe i.e. this is like "just getting started" as far as searching for tenants goes, or if this is a pretty long time on market already and I should have found my tenant myself instead.Lol
Depends on:
1. Vacancy rates in the area
2. Absorption rates
3. Size and desirability of the said property
4. Your asking rent compared to competitors
5. Quality of the house, location, access, yard, views, transit access etc.
Yeah, you should fire your manager for not explaining any of the above.
You are welcome.
And good luck.
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