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Follow your Passion?

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You often hear advice from successful people that you should “Follow your passion.” That sounds about right. Passion will presumably give you high energy, high resistance to rejection and high determination. Passionate people are more persuasive, too. Those are all good things, right?

Here’s the counterargument: When I was a commercial loan officer for a large bank in San Francisco, my boss taught us that you should never make a loan to someone who is following his passion. For example, you don’t want to give money to a sports enthusiast who is starting a sports store to pursue his passion for all things sporty. That guy is a bad bet, passion and all. He’s in business for the wrong reason.

My boss at the time, who had been a commercial lender for over thirty years, said the best loan customer is one who has no passion whatsoever, just a desire to work hard at something that looks good on a spreadsheet. Maybe the loan customer wants to start a dry cleaning store, or invest in a fast food franchise - boring stuff. That’s the person you bet on. You want the grinder, not the guy who loves his job.

So who’s right? Is passion a useful tool for success, or is it just something that makes you irrational?

My hypothesis is that passionate people are more likely to take big risks in the pursuit of unlikely goals, and so you would expect to see more failures and more huge successes among the passionate. Passionate people who fail don’t get a chance to offer their advice to the rest of us. But successful passionate people are writing books and answering interview questions about their secrets for success every day. Naturally those successful people want you to believe that success is a product of their awesomeness, but they also want to retain some humility. One can’t be humble and say, “I succeeded because I am far smarter than the average person.” But you can say your passion was a key to your success, because everyone can be passionate about something or other, right? Passion sounds more accessible. If you’re dumb, there’s not much you can do about it, but passion is something we think anyone can generate in the right circumstances. Passion feels very democratic. It is the people’s talent, available to all.

It’s also mostly bullshit.

Consider two entrepreneurs. Everything else being equal, one is passionate and possesses average talent, while the other is exceedingly brilliant, full of energy, and highly determined to succeed. Which one do you bet on?

It’s easy to be passionate about things that are working out, and that distorts our impression of the importance of passion. I’ve been involved in several dozen business ventures over the course of my life and each one made me excited at the start. You might even call it passion. The ones that didn’t work out - and that would be most of them - slowly drained my passion as they failed. The few that worked became more exciting as they succeeded. As a result, it looks as if the projects I was most passionate about were also the ones that worked. But objectively, the passion evolved at the same rate as the success. Success caused passion more than passion caused success.

Passion can also be a simple marker for talent. We humans tend to enjoy doing things we are good at while not enjoying things we suck at. We’re also fairly good at predicting what we might be good at before we try. I was passionate about tennis the first day I picked up a racket, and I’ve played all my life, but I also knew it was the type of thing I could be good at, unlike basketball or football. So sometimes passion is simply a byproduct of knowing you will be good at something.

I hate selling, but I know it’s because I’m bad at it. If I were a sensational sales person, or had potential to be one, I’d probably feel passionate about sales. And people who observed my success would assume my passion was causing my success as opposed to being a mere indicator of talent.

If you ask a billionaire the secret of his success, he might say it is passion, because that sounds like a sexy answer that is suitably humble. But after a few drinks I think he’d say his success was a combination of desire, luck, hard work, determination, brains, and appetite for risk.

Scott Adams
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/102964918511/follow-your-passion
 
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This is spot on, and 100% consistent with my experience.
Passion arises from success: you win at something, winning is pleasurable, so you like that thing a little more.
It's positive conditioning, really. That's why we get easily passionate for things we are talented for: you win more easily, you get positive feedback, you like it more.
 

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Interesting about the goals part. I always suspected numeric goals send people astray.

Personally, I get passionate about whatever I do... from tying sacks of mail, making cardboard boxes, packing biscuits, writing code to make myself redundant, etc. My wife thinks I am an obsessive compulsive. So I don't quite get this thing against passion. I love everything I do, and I get shot of it when I don't (book-keeping springs to mind). Meh... I like being passionate about what I do. :)
 

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What a great treatise against one of the biggest myths in self-development...

Love it. Rep+
 
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I disagree, kind of. Maybe it's just a problem in my understanding of "passion" (we mainly use that in the context of love in my language)

I think it should go like this, as Jeff Hoffman (multi billionaire) says:

  1. Find a problem/need.
  2. See if there's an existing solution too it.
  3. If no, decide if you want to be the person who provides a solution (e.g. you have a strong interest, drive, determination, desire, etc.)

So I don't see why shouldn't the 2 go together. There are countless problems in the world, and I definitely don't get excited to solve all of them, only a small subset which I feel interested about. Success creates momentum, but before you achieve it, "passion" has to drive you.

Of course, if there are stuff I'm interested in that doesn't solve a need, like tennis, baseball, **obscure hobby*. But I only like that as a hobby, not a business opportunity. If you think about following these passions, well duh, you'll go bankrupt unless you accidentally fulfill some need. Common sense.

But I'm also interested in personal development stuff, and one day I'd like lead a company in the personal development niche, that really helps people. Like learning strategies corp or mindvalley. That's a perfect duo of need and passion. Definitely much more of a dream of mine than my current business which is online retail-importing.

Still, I kinda like this too and it has a great potential to be fastlane which motivates me. If there weren't a spark of "passion"/interest I wouldn't do it, in fact we wouldn't have made through the setup phase. For the next 5 years at least, this business will be my life. But I definitely have other inspiring ideas which I'm more passionate about and which can be profitable and fastlane.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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I know many people who make big money on their passions. I think their passions were/are what people need in.
 

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+1 and rep.

I disagree, kind of. Maybe it's just a problem in my understanding of "passion" (we mainly use that in the context of love in my language)

I think it should go like this, as Jeff Hoffman (multi billionaire) says:

  1. Find a problem/need.
  2. See if there's an existing solution too it.
  3. If no, decide if you want to be the person who provides a solution (e.g. you have a strong interest, drive, determination, desire, etc.)

So I don't see why shouldn't the 2 go together. There are countless problems in the world, and I definitely don't get excited to solve all of them, only a small subset which I feel interested about. Success creates momentum, but before you achieve it, "passion" has to drive you.

Of course, if there are stuff I'm interested in that doesn't solve a need, like tennis, baseball, **obscure hobby*. But I only like that as a hobby, not a business opportunity. If you think about following these passions, well duh, you'll go bankrupt unless you accidentally fulfill some need. Common sense.

But I'm also interested in personal development stuff, and one day I'd like lead a company in the personal development niche, that really helps people. Like learning strategies corp or mindvalley. That's a perfect duo of need and passion. Definitely much more of a dream of mine than my current business which is online retail-importing.

Still, I kinda like this too and it has a great potential to be fastlane which motivates me. If there weren't a spark of "passion"/interest I wouldn't do it, in fact we wouldn't have made through the setup phase. For the next 5 years at least, this business will be my life. But I definitely have other inspiring ideas which I'm more passionate about and which can be profitable and fastlane.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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This always amazed me when someone brings this up. I'm one of those people you put me in a factory I'll get bored with it, walk out on the job, and never look back. I remember when I was 18 I was told I needed a job. I went through a temp service, went to all these different types of factories and couldn't stick to it because it didn't stimulate my brain.

I tried the waitress crap out. Again it wasn't stimulating my brain and got bored out of my mind. That was my first job ever.

I worked at department stores for seven years of my life. I didn't have passion for it, but I loved the competition, the socializing and interacting with customers, engagement, and felt happy with it.

Nurse aide was a huge part of my life. I had passion for helping people. I didn't love being a certified butt wiper as I used to joke. There's nothing passionate about false teeth, changing people's clothes, bathing, cleaning up after vomit and other fluids, or watching patients sometimes being neglected or abused. I loved listening their life stories, interacting with them, engaging in their community.

I worked with Mental Health. Again nothing passionate about working with schizophrenics, borderline, and other disorders, behaviors and moods. I hated that job from one angle, because I couldn't really ever truly help them, and they'd go in circles. Still the humanitarian enjoyed helping them anyway.

My passion probably is learning everything about human nature, the brain, and how it all works. How to find the answers to cure people with mental disorders. The passion may never materialize in my life time.

My passion is being a writer and communicator: Basically helping others to be aware period. How the systems don't always work. Is that path as an advocate or even using tools of fiction and non-fiction, or be a revolutionist at heart going to make me a millionaire? I probably would think it's not just the passion why you do things.

In my case the why is because from the start of my life until now it's been surrounded by developmentally disabled, mental health, Christian, elderly community. This wasn't ever really my choice until I was 26 years old. It influenced my life because others around me were geared to those professions. I wonder sometimes what it would've been like to not have had those influences projected on to me?

I'm an true INFJ to the core, and the question I've been asking lately, is how much of that personality was shaped by those influences?
I'm passionate about Justice and Humans. And I can't even explain why I even care at times. That passion can probably fit hundreds of jobs and I'd still would feel passionate about what I was doing.

I can tell you if you stuck me in anything mechanical/math I'd walk out in a hart beat. It annoys me or is more like irritation. I hate working with numbers and types of things like robotics. I don't enjoy bossing people around and would really suck at being in the position of an ENTJ on a job. I think your personality type is probably more of an avenue to give you a direction of what you'd be good at and what area.

Passion can be a small inch, but it's not the total drive of success. In my case, it wasn't the passion that got me here. It was the circumstances, and wanting freedom to be in control of my own life and outcome. There wasn't time to worry about passion and or what I love. Life's just going to smack you hard sometimes and passion or no passion you will learn to move or stay on the ground and get beat up in life because you don't believe you can do something.
 

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