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<div class="bbWrapper"><h3 class="bbHeading"><a class="u-anchorTarget" name="-ravens-guide-to-leading-with-ruthless-integrity-part-1"></a><span style="font-size: 26px">Ravens Guide To Leading With Ruthless Integrity - PART 1</span>&#8203;<a class="hoverLink" href="#-ravens-guide-to-leading-with-ruthless-integrity-part-1" title="Permanent link"></a></h3>This is my guide to leading with ruthless integrity, or at least trying to persuade you to do so. Integrity is a lost art in business and not many founders today actually practice ruthless integrity. The word ruthless is used here on purpose and it&#039;s uncommon to see these two words beside each other. I&#039;m here to tell you that you can be ruthless towards taking action and still have total integrity. It means doing whatever it takes to make things right when you inevitably mess up. It means setting aside your ego when the going gets tough.<br /> <br /> <h3 class="bbHeading"><a class="u-anchorTarget" name="-why-do-we-have-to-ask-for-trustworthy-mechanics-or-plumbers"></a><span style="font-size: 22px">Why do we have to ask for trustworthy mechanics or plumbers?</span>&#8203;<a class="hoverLink" href="#-why-do-we-have-to-ask-for-trustworthy-mechanics-or-plumbers" title="Permanent link"></a></h3>I’ve always found this to be a weird notion, that an individual or business performing a service may not be completely honest, truthful, or properly skilled in their area of labor. This dishonesty in business is so common, that almost everyone in need of a home service, first asks their network of friends and family “Who can I trust to do this job? Who do you recommend?”. Why the hell do we have to ask if a mechanic is trustworthy? Why is it so common for tradesmen to be conmen? Why as a society do we put up with such low integrity businesses pervading our communities?<br /> <br /> I’m going to answer these questions with my theories on integrity in business, and tell you what it takes to run a business with ruthless integrity, the direct opposite of no integrity.<br /> <h3 class="bbHeading"><a class="u-anchorTarget" name="-"></a>&#8203;<a class="hoverLink" href="#-" title="Permanent link"></a></h3><h3 class="bbHeading"><a class="u-anchorTarget" name="-what-is-integrity"></a><span style="font-size: 22px">What is INTEGRITY?</span>&#8203;<a class="hoverLink" href="#-what-is-integrity" title="Permanent link"></a></h3>Before we continue our conversation about how to have integrity in business, we need to define integrity. The widely accepted answer to our question was written by C.S Lewis and he says: <i>“Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.”</i><br /> <br /> While I think this is a fantastic definition, integrity goes deeper than just doing the right thing, and I think that Brené Brown has a much better definition: <i>“Integrity is choosing courage over comfort; choosing what is right over what is fun, fast, or easy; and choosing to practice our values rather than simply professing them.”</i><br /> <br /> The key thing here that I want to highlight because it’s important to business is <i><b>“choosing to practice our values rather than simply professing them.”</b></i> If you want to win in business, it is not enough to just say that you are a business of integrity and trustworthiness. You need to practice your values through solid action instead of just professing to your customers that you have those values.<br /> Low integrity doesn’t just affect small town service businesses, it often graces the front pages of huge publications. Lets take a look at some major cases of low integrity:<br /> <br /> Sam Bankman-Fried scamming people in the crypto space, and Elizabeth Holmes scamming investors with a blood testing product that never worked.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1729011947378-webp.59467/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/55/55925-12d0319d490b7b0e2b0a62b1f6a992c3.jpg?hash=V4IIZ8oVv_" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1729011947378.webp" title="1729011947378.webp" width="356" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1729011989109-webp.59469/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/55/55927-9eede0fbced06968aa63560d04d5cbc6.jpg?hash=g1dVfd2iUo" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1729011989109.webp" title="1729011989109.webp" width="356" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <br /> You know what these 2 have in common? They’re probably both pieces of shit, and they’re both in prison. There’s a running joke that if you look at the forbes 30 under 30 list you have a pretty good idea of who the nation&#039;s largest scammers are. Lets get into the meat of Integrity.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 22px"><b>The Integrity Paradox<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1729012369098-webp.59471/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/55/55929-d005dfea4cf9d65b33e9c15c870cbef1.jpg?hash=_OSD7m5ODq" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1729012369098.webp" title="1729012369098.webp" width="356" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a></b></span><br /> <br /> The chart above gives is a glimpse into the paradox of having no integrity vs having ruthless integrity. On the Y axis (vertical), we have our infinite money earning potential. On the X-axis (horizontal), we have our amount of integrity plotted between 0% and 100%.<br /> <br /> Between 0% and 5% integrity, you can make an infinite amount of money, which sounds amazing! This typically encompasses illicit drugs, corporate fraud, enslaving people, payday loans, insurance companies and more. There is absolutely no limit to the amount of money you can make, all while being a piece of shit. Exciting!<br /> <br /> Between 10% and 50% integrity you fall into what I call the trough of mediocrity. This is where you find your scammy supplements, bargain bin mass-produced products, shady mechanics, and individuals pushing MLM protein shakes. These aren’t the absolute worst people on earth, but most consumers can generally cut through the bullshit. I want to note that the scale of the Y axis for the sake of our chart is around $10 billion dollars in <i>earnings potential.</i> So within the trough of mediocrity, you can probably make tens of millions of dollars due to the ceiling on your <i>earnings potential</i>.<br /> <br /> Between about 75% and 90% integrity you see a massive increase in earnings potential, where the final 10% of our remaining integrity plateaus at about $10 billion. I think that with ruthless integrity, we have an earnings cap of about $10 billion as an individual. This is where the paradox lies, with no integrity, you can make more money than someone with ruthless integrity. In this section of the integrity chart, I don’t have a solid list of industries that have integrity to pull from, but I have a few company examples: Products with lifetime warranties that actually live up to the hype, heavily recommended service businesses by your friends and family, restaurants that have higher than 4 star ratings.<br /> <br /> You’ll notice that in the factors that influence products and services section, customer integrity plays a role as well. If you want to have good customers you need to sell products full of integrity, be it in quality or truthful representation of your service claims. By dealing with products of lower value you will ultimately run into more customers with similar levels of low integrity.<br /> <br /> &quot;Yeah, well Raven, you’re telling me I don’t have to worry about integrity and can make tens of millions of dollars no matter what I’m doing? Hell, I can make INFINITE money by having no integrity at all! Why would I even need your integrity? It sounds like I’d be limiting myself to have it. I need more than $10 billion dollars!! My dreams are bigger than that!!&quot;<br /> <br /> Well, in that case I have to at least inform you of your “ROP”.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 22px"><b>Risk of Punishment (”ROP”)<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1729012442890-webp.59472/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/55/55930-32b9bf2a83b8dae3552ba17d45383ae1.jpg?hash=Sc763Onn-3" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1729012442890.webp" title="1729012442890.webp" width="356" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a></b></span><br /> <br /> Overlayed on the same earnings potential chart we just saw is the line for your risk of punishment. The Y axis in this case is weighted between 0 - 100%. For the sake of brevity, I’ve bundled all punishment types into your freedoms simply being taken away. This may be your freedom of location (prison). Your freedom of time (death). Your freedom of money (financial forfeiture).<br /> <br /> Operating between 0% and 30% integrity gives you a 100% chance of punishment. You will either go to prison, be killed, or all of your money will be taken away from you. It may not happen today, or next year, but it will eventually catch up to you and you are just biding time. Between 30% and 75% your ROP drops down to to about a 30% chance of punishment. This is where you are more likely to enter the zone of pure financial punishment. From time to time though, you still risk going to prison.<br /> <br /> From 75% to 100% your chances of punishment drop from 30% to near zero. I say near zero because even if you do every single thing right, the IRS still has a way of inflicting financial punishment on you and that’s just the name of the game. As our ROP line crosses into the shaded blue line area, this is the safe zone. You’re probably not going to have any severe life changing punishments in this area, and any punishments received are generally felt throughout the course of doing good business to the best of your knowledge.<br /> <br /> &quot;Yeah but Raven, I’m still pretty set on having as little integrity as possible. Being a good person doesn’t really jive with me and I just want money, no matter the cost. My life sucks right now and having integrity is hard and I just want to live like Dan Bilzerian!&quot;, <i>who&#039;s also probably going to prison soon</i>.<br /> <br /> Hold your horses, I hear you. I haven’t introduced you to the last principle at play: your “COS” - Chance of Success.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 22px"><b>Chance of Success (&quot;COS&quot;)<br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1729014008100-webp.59473/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/55/55931-f503e78e4febac2635b779e540e7357e.jpg?hash=sTQdZdIXfV" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1729014008100.webp" title="1729014008100.webp" width="356" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a></b></span><br /> <br /> Overlayed on our same earnings potential chart is a white line denoting our Chance of Success. Having more integrity significantly increases the chance of you having a homerun business. By having near zero integrity you can peak at about a 15% chance of success. I’ve factored in a chance so small because most people operating at integrity levels this low generally get caught within a few years. You may eventually reach kingpin status in whatever your industry is, but those cards eventually topple. Congrats, you were in the 15% that succeeded! The odds of losing your freedoms are stacked against you.<br /> <br /> Between 15% and 65% integrity you’re sitting at a measly 3-5% chance of success. Scammy supplements and courses are a dime a dozen and very few make it through the noise to stratospheric levels of success. Have fun in the drudging through the trough of mediocrity, the very thing you were trying to escape this whole time.<br /> <br /> Finally at about 80% - 95% integrity, your COS exponentially increases and begins to go off of the charts. At 95% and above, you will have the absolute best chances of succeeding in your business, creating immense value, and not having to worry about your freedoms being taken away.<br /> <br /> It is my belief that if you offer a product or service that is truly needed, and you offer it backed by ironclad integrity, you will succeed. Success may not come within your first few tries, but I assure you it will come with consistent effort and action.<br /> <br /> <br /> <b><span style="font-size: 22px">Pillars of Integrity</span></b><br /> <br /> Personal pillars of integrity: <b>Honesty, Boundaries, Confrontation, and Values.</b><br /> <br /> These are the four core values I think you need to have as a person of ruthless integrity. You need to own up to your mistakes immediately, or tell someone if you&#039;re at your limit, which is Honesty. You need to be strong enough to set your Boundaries. When your boundaries are broken you need to have enough personal integrity to confront the person or thing that crossed your boundaries. You then need to uphold your Values and act with the correct response.<br /> <br /> Pillars of business integrity: <b>Upholding company values. True employee satisfaction. True customer satisfaction. Ego Displacement.</b><br /> <br /> These are the 4 core values I think you need to be in the business of ruthless integrity. If you profess your values you need to act on them every single day. Your employees need to be truly satisfied with their work, listen to their complaints and fix the root cause of their issues. Pay them good, treat them well! You&#039;re going to need true customer satisfaction to have any real traction. The echoes of a productocracy only start happening when your customers start telling their friends about your business. Finally, you need to displace your ego. Sometimes customers or vendors can really piss you off. In times like these it is critical to act in a manner that aligns with your core values as a company. Sometimes you want to smash your competitors and slander them, don&#039;t fall for the trap. I myself have a problem with this from time to time and I get so angry that I can&#039;t function. Channel that anger into positive customer experiences and your business will flourish.<br /> <br /> If I could pin my integrity on the charts, I&#039;d put myself between 90-92%. It&#039;s extremely hard to have full integrity all the time because we&#039;re human. To make up for the mistakes, you can look at the 4 pillars and take action to fix the things you have done or said. Bad acts can be cancelled out or negotiated. You&#039;ll have greater chances of success winning a customer back if you&#039;ve shown integrity in the past and so it&#039;s important to lead with as much integrity as possible in your business.<br /> <br /> In part 2 I&#039;m going to go over a case study of one of my favorite brands in the US. It&#039;s a story of pure integrity and treating people right. They are so good that they have a lifetime warranty on a consumable product and make many millions of dollars. I&#039;ll also go over the real world stats from my business that show just how having integrity can positively affect your business financials. I&#039;ll go over strategies you can employ to have more integrity and warn you of the 3 things that cause you to stray away from integrity.<br /> <br /> I hope you&#039;ve enjoyed part 1.</div>
 

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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 130472" data-quote="NervesOfSteel" data-source="post: 1143177" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143177" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143177">NervesOfSteel said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Integrity is a curse! It does not pay the bills!<br /> <br /> <br /> OnlyFans? Still Legal?<br /> <br /> <br /> Next, Don&#039;t question my morality for hogging up weapons! LOL </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Way to derail a great thread. <br /> <br /> If you&#039;d like to delete your account, contact the forum. <br /> <br /> I&#039;m not interested in having scammers and low-integrity grifters here.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 130472" data-quote="NervesOfSteel" data-source="post: 1143177" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143177" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143177">NervesOfSteel said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Integrity is a curse! It does not pay the bills!<br /> <br /> <br /> OnlyFans? Still Legal?<br /> <br /> <br /> Next, Don&#039;t question my morality for hogging up weapons! LOL </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Integrity pays my bills and then some. Your ROP is probably pretty high, and your COS is pretty low.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 12271" data-quote="Ravens_Shadow" data-source="post: 1143171" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143171" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143171">Ravens_Shadow said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <h3 class="bbHeading"><span style="font-size: 26px">Ravens Guide To Leading With Ruthless Integrity - PART 1</span>&#8203;</h3>This is my guide to leading with ruthless integrity, or at least trying to persuade you to do so. Integrity is a lost art in business and not many founders today actually practice ruthless integrity. The word ruthless is used here on purpose and it&#039;s uncommon to see these two words beside each other. I&#039;m here to tell you that you can be ruthless towards taking action and still have total integrity. It means doing whatever it takes to make things right when you inevitably mess up. It means setting aside your ego when the going gets tough.<br /> <br /> <h3 class="bbHeading"><span style="font-size: 22px">Why do we have to ask for trustworthy mechanics or plumbers?</span>&#8203;</h3>I’ve always found this to be a weird notion, that an individual or business performing a service may not be completely honest, truthful, or properly skilled in their area of labor. This dishonesty in business is so common, that almost everyone in need of a home service, first asks their network of friends and family “Who can I trust to do this job? Who do you recommend?”. Why the hell do we have to ask if a mechanic is trustworthy? Why is it so common for tradesmen to be conmen? Why as a society do we put up with such low integrity businesses pervading our communities?<br /> <br /> I’m going to answer these questions with my theories on integrity in business, and tell you what it takes to run a business with ruthless integrity, the direct opposite of no integrity.<br /> <h3 class="bbHeading">&#8203;</h3><h3 class="bbHeading"><span style="font-size: 22px">What is INTEGRITY?</span>&#8203;</h3>Before we continue our conversation about how to have integrity in business, we need to define integrity. The widely accepted answer to our question was written by C.S Lewis and he says: <i>“Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.”</i><br /> <br /> While I think this is a fantastic definition, integrity goes deeper than just doing the right thing, and I think that Brené Brown has a much better definition: <i>“Integrity is choosing courage over comfort; choosing what is right over what is fun, fast, or easy; and choosing to practice our values rather than simply professing them.”</i><br /> <br /> The key thing here that I want to highlight because it’s important to business is <i><b>“choosing to practice our values rather than simply professing them.”</b></i> If you want to win in business, it is not enough to just say that you are a business of integrity and trustworthiness. You need to practice your values through solid action instead of just professing to your customers that you have those values.<br /> Low integrity doesn’t just affect small town service businesses, it often graces the front pages of huge publications. Lets take a look at some major cases of low integrity:<br /> <br /> Sam Bankman-Fried scamming people in the crypto space, and Elizabeth Holmes scamming investors with a blood testing product that never worked.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/59467/" target="_blank">View attachment 59467</a><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/59469/" target="_blank">View attachment 59469</a><br /> <br /> You know what these 2 have in common? They’re probably both pieces of shit, and they’re both in prison. There’s a running joke that if you look at the forbes 30 under 30 list you have a pretty good idea of who the nation&#039;s largest scammers are. Lets get into the meat of Integrity.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 22px"><b>The Integrity Paradox<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/59471/" target="_blank">View attachment 59471</a></b></span><br /> <br /> The chart above gives is a glimpse into the paradox of having no integrity vs having ruthless integrity. On the Y axis (vertical), we have our infinite money earning potential. On the X-axis (horizontal), we have our amount of integrity plotted between 0% and 100%.<br /> <br /> Between 0% and 5% integrity, you can make an infinite amount of money, which sounds amazing! This typically encompasses illicit drugs, corporate fraud, enslaving people, payday loans, insurance companies and more. There is absolutely no limit to the amount of money you can make, all while being a piece of shit. Exciting!<br /> <br /> Between 10% and 50% integrity you fall into what I call the trough of mediocrity. This is where you find your scammy supplements, bargain bin mass-produced products, shady mechanics, and individuals pushing MLM protein shakes. These aren’t the absolute worst people on earth, but most consumers can generally cut through the bullshit. I want to note that the scale of the Y axis for the sake of our chart is around $10 billion dollars in <i>earnings potential.</i> So within the trough of mediocrity, you can probably make tens of millions of dollars due to the ceiling on your <i>earnings potential</i>.<br /> <br /> Between about 75% and 90% integrity you see a massive increase in earnings potential, where the final 10% of our remaining integrity plateaus at about $10 billion. I think that with ruthless integrity, we have an earnings cap of about $10 billion as an individual. This is where the paradox lies, with no integrity, you can make more money than someone with ruthless integrity. In this section of the integrity chart, I don’t have a solid list of industries that have integrity to pull from, but I have a few company examples: Products with lifetime warranties that actually live up to the hype, heavily recommended service businesses by your friends and family, restaurants that have higher than 4 star ratings.<br /> <br /> You’ll notice that in the factors that influence products and services section, customer integrity plays a role as well. If you want to have good customers you need to sell products full of integrity, be it in quality or truthful representation of your service claims. By dealing with products of lower value you will ultimately run into more customers with similar levels of low integrity.<br /> <br /> &quot;Yeah, well Raven, you’re telling me I don’t have to worry about integrity and can make tens of millions of dollars no matter what I’m doing? Hell, I can make INFINITE money by having no integrity at all! Why would I even need your integrity? It sounds like I’d be limiting myself to have it. I need more than $10 billion dollars!! My dreams are bigger than that!!&quot;<br /> <br /> Well, in that case I have to at least inform you of your “ROP”.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 22px"><b>Risk of Punishment (”ROP”)<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/59472/" target="_blank">View attachment 59472</a></b></span><br /> <br /> Overlayed on the same earnings potential chart we just saw is the line for your risk of punishment. The Y axis in this case is weighted between 0 - 100%. For the sake of brevity, I’ve bundled all punishment types into your freedoms simply being taken away. This may be your freedom of location (prison). Your freedom of time (death). Your freedom of money (financial forfeiture).<br /> <br /> Operating between 0% and 30% integrity gives you a 100% chance of punishment. You will either go to prison, be killed, or all of your money will be taken away from you. It may not happen today, or next year, but it will eventually catch up to you and you are just biding time. Between 30% and 75% your ROP drops down to to about a 30% chance of punishment. This is where you are more likely to enter the zone of pure financial punishment. From time to time though, you still risk going to prison.<br /> <br /> From 75% to 100% your chances of punishment drop from 30% to near zero. I say near zero because even if you do every single thing right, the IRS still has a way of inflicting financial punishment on you and that’s just the name of the game. As our ROP line crosses into the shaded blue line area, this is the safe zone. You’re probably not going to have any severe life changing punishments in this area, and any punishments received are generally felt throughout the course of doing good business to the best of your knowledge.<br /> <br /> &quot;Yeah but Raven, I’m still pretty set on having as little integrity as possible. Being a good person doesn’t really jive with me and I just want money, no matter the cost. My life sucks right now and having integrity is hard and I just want to live like Dan Bilzerian!&quot;, <i>who&#039;s also probably going to prison soon</i>.<br /> <br /> Hold your horses, I hear you. I haven’t introduced you to the last principle at play: your “COS” - Chance of Success.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 22px"><b>Chance of Success (&quot;COS&quot;)<br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/59473/" target="_blank">View attachment 59473</a></b></span><br /> <br /> Overlayed on our same earnings potential chart is a white line denoting our Chance of Success. Having more integrity significantly increases the chance of you having a homerun business. By having near zero integrity you can peak at about a 15% chance of success. I’ve factored in a chance so small because most people operating at integrity levels this low generally get caught within a few years. You may eventually reach kingpin status in whatever your industry is, but those cards eventually topple. Congrats, you were in the 15% that succeeded! The odds of losing your freedoms are stacked against you.<br /> <br /> Between 15% and 65% integrity you’re sitting at a measly 3-5% chance of success. Scammy supplements and courses are a dime a dozen and very few make it through the noise to stratospheric levels of success. Have fun in the drudging through the trough of mediocrity, the very thing you were trying to escape this whole time.<br /> <br /> Finally at about 80% - 95% integrity, your COS exponentially increases and begins to go off of the charts. At 95% and above, you will have the absolute best chances of succeeding in your business, creating immense value, and not having to worry about your freedoms being taken away.<br /> <br /> It is my belief that if you offer a product or service that is truly needed, and you offer it backed by ironclad integrity, you will succeed. Success may not come within your first few tries, but I assure you it will come with consistent effort and action.<br /> <br /> <br /> <b><span style="font-size: 22px">Pillars of Integrity</span></b><br /> <br /> Personal pillars of integrity: <b>Honesty, Boundaries, Confrontation, and Values.</b><br /> <br /> These are the four core values I think you need to have as a person of ruthless integrity. You need to own up to your mistakes immediately, or tell someone if you&#039;re at your limit, which is Honesty. You need to be strong enough to set your Boundaries. When your boundaries are broken you need to have enough personal integrity to confront the person or thing that crossed your boundaries. You then need to uphold your Values and act with the correct response.<br /> <br /> Pillars of business integrity: <b>Upholding company values. True employee satisfaction. True customer satisfaction. Ego Displacement.</b><br /> <br /> These are the 4 core values I think you need to be in the business of ruthless integrity. If you profess your values you need to act on them every single day. Your employees need to be truly satisfied with their work, listen to their complaints and fix the root cause of their issues. Pay them good, treat them well! You&#039;re going to need true customer satisfaction to have any real traction. The echoes of a productocracy only start happening when your customers start telling their friends about your business. Finally, you need to displace your ego. Sometimes customers or vendors can really piss you off. In times like these it is critical to act in a manner that aligns with your core values as a company. Sometimes you want to smash your competitors and slander them, don&#039;t fall for the trap. I myself have a problem with this from time to time and I get so angry that I can&#039;t function. Channel that anger into positive customer experiences and your business will flourish.<br /> <br /> If I could pin my integrity on the charts, I&#039;d put myself between 90-92%. It&#039;s extremely hard to have full integrity all the time because we&#039;re human. To make up for the mistakes, you can look at the 4 pillars and take action to fix the things you have done or said. Bad acts can be cancelled out or negotiated. You&#039;ll have greater chances of success winning a customer back if you&#039;ve shown integrity in the past and so it&#039;s important to lead with as much integrity as possible in your business.<br /> <br /> In part 2 I&#039;m going to go over a case study of one of my favorite brands in the US. It&#039;s a story of pure integrity and treating people right. They are so good that they have a lifetime warranty on a consumable product and make many millions of dollars. I&#039;ll also go over the real world stats from my business that show just how having integrity can positively affect your business financials. I&#039;ll go over strategies you can employ to have more integrity and warn you of the 3 things that cause you to stray away from integrity.<br /> <br /> I hope you&#039;ve enjoyed part 1. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Can you give some examples of when you showed ruthless integrity and when you faced a dilemma and still showed integrity? How did that turn out?<br /> (Thanks for taking the time to show us the ones who are still learning the way forward)<br /> Context - I was working in a company that treated clients well but employees badly the ratings of my ex-company dropped from 4.2 to 3.7 in a year, a lot of bad ratings from former and current employees</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Gold as always.<br /> <br /> How do you handle situations where you have to choose between (A) doing right by one person / a few people or (B) the best long term interest of the company?<br /> <br /> I&#039;ve had situations in the past few weeks where I&#039;d promise a user X feature by Y date. Then it would be the day before and I&#039;d still not have the feature ready, so I&#039;d have to choose between<br /> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Throwing everything at the wall to get it ready, but potentially introducing a ton of tech debt and/or shipping a buggy feature</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Going back on the promise and telling the user it&#039;ll have to be another week / few weeks</li> </ol>Would love to hear your principles for handling these sorts of gray areas at your company.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 54317" data-quote="Chx" data-source="post: 1143196" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143196" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143196">Chx said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Gold as always.<br /> <br /> How do you handle situations where you have to choose between (A) doing right by one person / a few people or (B) the best long term interest of the company?<br /> <br /> I&#039;ve had situations in the past few weeks where I&#039;d promise a user X feature by Y date. Then it would be the day before and I&#039;d still not have the feature ready, so I&#039;d have to choose between<br /> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Throwing everything at the wall to get it ready, but potentially introducing a ton of tech debt and/or shipping a buggy feature</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Going back on the promise and telling the user it&#039;ll have to be another week / few weeks</li> </ol>Would love to hear your principles for handling these sorts of gray areas at your company. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>2 sounds like being fair and good to everyone involved.<br /> <br /> I would find Raven’s take interesting and insightful and I look forward to the development of this discussion. <br /> <br /> Personally I actually do not know how it is possible to run a dishonest business or lie repeatedly in the business (lie on material information). Most of the time I find that customers or people in general are not going to take your words even if you are speaking 100 percent truth. Everyone in their own mind assumes everyone else is proof of $hit until proven otherwise.<br /> <br /> So it actually never occurs to me that dishonesty in business is actually in any way remotely a viable option.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 125950" data-quote="Blaze" data-source="post: 1143194" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143194" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143194">Blaze said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Can you give some examples of when you showed ruthless integrity and when you faced a dilemma and still showed integrity? How did that turn out?<br /> (Thanks for taking the time to show us the ones who are still learning the way forward)<br /> Context - I was working in a company that treated clients well but employees badly the ratings of my ex-company dropped from 4.2 to 3.7 in a year, a lot of bad ratings from former and current employees </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> For what it&#039;s worth, that sort of insight into the company that treated employees like crap is an excellent starting point for a new business that you could launch if you don&#039;t have one. That would be leading with ruthless integrity.<br /> <br /> Without overthinking, the first example of leading with integrity that I can think of would be the time when we were beginning to run lower on cash than we had forecasted. At the time we were divvying out really good dividend checks each quarter. We were in such a position that the profitable decision would be to cut 4-5 people ($400-500k/yr) and then rehire in a couple of years when the market sured up again. Instead I took a paycut and stopped dividends, and it wasn&#039;t until just this year that we spun up dividends again. We&#039;ve hired around 7 additional people as cash allowed before reinstating dividends. I put people and team development over my own personal profits and gain. Now in 2025 we are expecting to do extremely well, and have no intention of hiring more employees. We now have the stability to pull large amounts of profit out of the business.<br /> <br /> Hope this helps.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 54317" data-quote="Chx" data-source="post: 1143196" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143196" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143196">Chx said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Gold as always.<br /> <br /> How do you handle situations where you have to choose between (A) doing right by one person / a few people or (B) the best long term interest of the company?<br /> <br /> I&#039;ve had situations in the past few weeks where I&#039;d promise a user X feature by Y date. Then it would be the day before and I&#039;d still not have the feature ready, so I&#039;d have to choose between<br /> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Throwing everything at the wall to get it ready, but potentially introducing a ton of tech debt and/or shipping a buggy feature</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Going back on the promise and telling the user it&#039;ll have to be another week / few weeks</li> </ol>Would love to hear your principles for handling these sorts of gray areas at your company. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Well to me integrity in this situation is being transparent and upholding your own company values. I.e If a stable, quality product is one of your values, option 1 is the bandaid that ends up ripping all of your skin off later. I would generally apologize to customers and rethink how we publicize dates in the future. Bugs hurt worse than not having something at all. One thing that took us too long to adopt, and that we still mess up, is to just not promise dates. I don&#039;t think we have *ever* hit a deadline without inflicting serious damage to the team or the products quality.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 54317" data-quote="Chx" data-source="post: 1143196" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143196" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143196">Chx said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I&#039;ve had situations in the past few weeks where I&#039;d promise a user X feature by Y date. Then it would be the day before and I&#039;d still not have the feature ready, so I&#039;d have to choose between<br /> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Throwing everything at the wall to get it ready, but potentially introducing a ton of tech debt and/or shipping a buggy feature</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Going back on the promise and telling the user it&#039;ll have to be another week / few weeks</li> </ol> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Your problem is you waited until the day before.<br /> <br /> You need to tell people <i>as soon as you think</i> there is a likely chance of you not delivering on time.<br /> <br /> Then you apologize, explain the situation (wanting to deliver a high quality product), and communicate.<br /> <br /> <br /> Failing to achieve a promised deadline is not bad integrity. It&#039;s bad execution. But when you&#039;re new you don&#039;t know how to execute, and you don&#039;t know how to set accurate deadlines. So you bridge the gap with honesty and communication (and then next time 2-3x&#039;ing whatever the worst case scenario in your head is for the timeline). Under promise and over deliver is a winning combination.<br /> <br /> <br /> I tell people 14 days for delivery to get my product delivered after they order. They usually get it in 4-5. No one is ever disappointed. Everyone is surprised and happy to get it early.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 125950" data-quote="Blaze" data-source="post: 1143194" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143194" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143194">Blaze said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Can you give some examples of when you showed ruthless integrity and when you faced a dilemma and still showed integrity? How did that turn out? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> If you&#039;re integrity has never been tested, you cannot say for sure whether or not you have any. The farther you go in business, the more $0&#039;s get added to the ethical dilemmas you will have to face.<br /> <br /> <br /> Here&#039;s some of the dilemmas I&#039;ve faced in my current business:<br /> <br /> - I hired an assembly mechanic and convinced him to leave his other job to start building our next container of inventory. The factory F*cked us over and sent us 95% unsellable product that had literally been underwater in a flood. There was nothing to assemble, and also I had no product to sell (so no sales). But I promised him the job, so I took a loan out so that I could pay him his hourly wage for the next 6 months until we got that inventory replaced and back in stock. You think he was loyal to me after that? You bet your a$$ he was, and he worked for me for years.<br /> <br /> - We discovered a product after 3 years of use had a cracked weld at a critical point. No one was injured, but one could imagine a scenario where it could have eventually caused an injury. We recalled that entire batch of product, and replaced everyone&#039;s product at no cost (again, 3 years after they originally purchased).<br /> <br /> - An employee asked for a week off on the schedule 3 months in the past. When the time comes, it turns out we actually really need them. I let them take their time off anyways and do not pressure them in any way, or make them feel bad about it. We&#039;ll do our best without them.<br /> <br /> - Speaking of vacation, I never call/email/text any employee on any day of PTO. Doesn&#039;t matter if there is a situation that is &quot;urgent&quot;. Nothing is so urgent that I try to force them to work, or think about work, on their sacred time off. We can wait until they are back, or figure it out on our own.<br /> <br /> - I tested one of our products 2 years ago for lead paint. Our product is not legally subject to this standard, and this was an &quot;above and beyond&quot; quality test. It failed the test, badly. I could choose to do nothing, and no one (except me) would ever know. While the paint was under thick clear coatings, and was unlikely to have been exposed in any product in that 2 year time frame, maybe in a decade with wear and tear, this high level of lead would seep into someone&#039;s environment and their daily interactions with the product. Maybe in another 20-30 years someone would develop a cancer they otherwise wouldn&#039;t have. So, I spent $80k I didn&#039;t really have and recalled and replaced everyone&#039;s product. I reported it to CPSC and handled the recall through them as you are legally required to do.<br /> <br /> - Most companies let their old products deprecate and they no longer support them. I&#039;ve committed (and tell customers this) that we will keep replacement components in stock for every version of the product back to when we started in 2017 (either direct replacement, or compatible upgrade etc.). It doesn&#039;t matter if you are the 2nd, 4th, or 10th owner of that product, we will do tech support with you on the phone and help you figure out what parts you need to get that product up and running again.<br /> <br /> - A client wanted to buy $50,000 worth of product from us. They bought one $5,000 unit to test, and then were going to order the rest the following week. Because we rushed the order, the charger got left out of the box. Despite it being an extremely easy problem to solve (just overnight a charger), he cussed my customer service rep out on the phone for 10 minutes about it. When my rep told me about it, I called the client and told them that no one talks to my employees like that and we would no longer be doing business with them.<br /> <br /> - When we F*ck up an order, and it&#039;s a critical item to the customer, we will overnight ship whatever is needed to make it right. For a time, because our processes were bad, we ended up overnighting stuff A LOT. The pain of this expense eventually pushed us to dramatically improve our processes to prevent shipping damage, and mis-picks.<br /> <br /> - I tell my employees when things aren&#039;t going well with the business. I didn&#039;t used to. I used to bleed optimism and pretend the bad stuff wasn&#039;t happening. In 2022 we were burning cash and I was delusional about it. One day I realized I needed to lay off half the company or else we were bankrupt in 6 weeks. The day before I was optimistic and rah rah for the future, and the next day half the company was gone (and for those people, I offered them severance as some compensation to help with getting blindsided). The reason no one else has left in the 2 years since was because I publicly committed to honesty and transparency from there on out, and have stuck to it.<br /> <br /> - I&#039;ve turned down acquisition offers (and thus big personal pay-days) in the past, because I didn&#039;t feel like values with the other party were aligned, and I didn&#039;t think the new owners would take good care of my customers and my employees. It&#039;s ok, there will be other opportunities in the future, and eventually one will be a great fit.<br /> <br /> - Right now, we are out of stock due to some poor planning. We have lots of preorders. Due to some unusual delays, we knew weeks in advance that we were going to miss those promised delivery dates. My customer service person was very concerned we were going to lose sales if she sent an email letting them know so far out. I told her to let them know any way. We did lose a $5000 order. And I&#039;m ok with that.<br /> <br /> - Reviews. I automatically send a review request email to <u>every</u> customer. Even the upset ones. I do not incentivize them in any way to respond positively. No coupon, no manipulation, no free product, no nothing. Every review we get, we publish, unedited, onto our website for all to see. This pushes us to go to the extreme end of what &quot;above and beyond&quot; means in customer service. As such, we actually haven&#039;t gotten any 1-star reviews in years.<br /> <br /> - I learned 2 days ago that I misunderstood my state&#039;s sales tax law. I thought I could purchase cardboard packaging tax-free (in many states you can), and I&#039;ve been doing so for the last 2-3 years. I have my admin assistant adding up how much tax we should have paid on those purchases, and we are going to remit probably around $10k to the state next month. This would likely never have been noticed, except in the case of a thorough audit (and even then, maybe not).<br /> <br /> - I could avoid tariffs and save hundreds of thousands a year by calling my product from a different country than where it technically was mostly manufactured. Or I could call it an import code that is not what the product is. But I don&#039;t. My factory also offers to manipulate the commercial invoice with a lower dollar amount in order to save me duties. I have always refused and insist that the full dollar amount is on the invoice.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I could go on.<br /> <br /> <br /> We have 3 short &amp; sweet company values. #1 is &quot;Always do the right thing&quot;. This guides every difficult decision we have to make.<br /> <br /> Not sure what to do? Just look at the poster on the wall.<br /> <br /> One of my proudest moments recently was when my 24 year old warehouse manager called out a 40 year old employee for a proposal they made that was lacking integrity by quoting this core value at them, and she was totally right and I backed her up.<br /> <br /> <br /> So, integrity has cost me literally hundreds of thousands of dollars. What have I received in return?<br /> <br /> 1) Insanely loyal employees. My first employee is still here 7 years later. I essentially have zero turnover and no one ever leaves. There is a real tangible benefit to the accumulated knowledge a multi-year employee has. There is a real tangible benefit to never having to train and retrain employees for vacant positions.<br /> <br /> 2) Insanely loyal customers and brand equity. Be careful asking a question related to our product in our niche&#039;s facebook communities. Our customers will get wind of it and you will be swarmed with positivity. We have an army of customers that goes above and beyond for us.<br /> <br /> Our customers also:<br /> - Give demos of their product to people in their local community (we have hundreds of customers listed on our website that have signed up to do this).<br /> - Have invested hundreds of thousands (soon to be 1M+) of their dollars in both equity investments and product development projects of the business.<br /> - Drive a word of mouth sales machine that prevents me from needing to do any advertising (other than a little retargeting). Other brands spend 15-20% of revenue on Meta to get new customers.<br /> - Demo our products for us at trade shows and local events<br /> - And some of them become employees (and the best employees at that).<br /> <br /> 3) Extremely cooperative vendors<br /> <br /> - I didn&#039;t share many specific examples above, but we treat our vendors and suppliers just as well as our customers and employees.<br /> - My Chinese factory has never given any of their clients payment terms on their container orders before. But they gave me net-30 payment terms. And on my next order, they&#039;ve agreed to Net-60. Eventually they will give me Net-90. I have established a pattern with them of always doing what I say I&#039;m going to do, and operating with integrity.<br /> <br /> <br /> 4) No skeletons in my closet<br /> <br /> - If/when I choose to sell the business, I have nothing to hide. No product liability issues. No tax issues. No legal issues. Nothing to kill the deal in due diligence.<br /> <br /> <br /> My #1 rule of business is &quot;don&#039;t go to jail&quot; and I have to say, I sleep very well at night.<br /> <br /> <br /> Great thread <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/12271/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="12271" data-username="@Ravens_Shadow">@Ravens_Shadow</a> you and I need to talk about this topic more in a couple of weeks <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1" data-quote="MJ DeMarco" data-source="post: 1143183" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143183" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143183">MJ DeMarco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Way to derail a great thread. <br /> <br /> If you&#039;d like to delete your account, contact the forum. <br /> <br /> I&#039;m not interested in having scammers and low-integrity grifters here. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I apologize for the sarcasm.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 130472" data-quote="NervesOfSteel" data-source="post: 1143250" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143250" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143250">NervesOfSteel said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I apologize for the sarcasm. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> And I apologize for not interpreting it as such.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 16059" data-quote="amp0193" data-source="post: 1143249" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143249" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143249">amp0193 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> If you&#039;re integrity has never been tested, you cannot say for sure whether or not you have any. The farther you go in business, the more $0&#039;s get added to the ethical dilemmas you will have to face.<br /> <br /> <br /> Here&#039;s some of the dilemmas I&#039;ve faced in my current business:<br /> <br /> - I hired an assembly mechanic and convinced him to leave his other job to start building our next container of inventory. The factory F*cked us over and sent us 95% unsellable product that had literally been underwater in a flood. There was nothing to assemble, and also I had no product to sell (so no sales). But I promised him the job, so I took a loan out so that I could pay him his hourly wage for the next 6 months until we got that inventory replaced and back in stock. You think he was loyal to me after that? You bet your a$$ he was, and he worked for me for years.<br /> <br /> - We discovered a product after 3 years of use had a cracked weld at a critical point. No one was injured, but one could imagine a scenario where it could have eventually caused an injury. We recalled that entire batch of product, and replaced everyone&#039;s product at no cost (again, 3 years after they originally purchased).<br /> <br /> - An employee asked for a week off on the schedule 3 months in the past. When the time comes, it turns out we actually really need them. I let them take their time off anyways and do not pressure them in any way, or make them feel bad about it. We&#039;ll do our best without them.<br /> <br /> - Speaking of vacation, I never call/email/text any employee on any day of PTO. Doesn&#039;t matter if there is a situation that is &quot;urgent&quot;. Nothing is so urgent that I try to force them to work, or think about work, on their sacred time off. We can wait until they are back, or figure it out on our own.<br /> <br /> - I tested one of our products 2 years ago for lead paint. Our product is not legally subject to this standard, and this was an &quot;above and beyond&quot; quality test. It failed the test, badly. I could choose to do nothing, and no one (except me) would ever know. While the paint was under thick clear coatings, and was unlikely to have been exposed in any product in that 2 year time frame, maybe in a decade with wear and tear, this high level of lead would seep into someone&#039;s environment and their daily interactions with the product. Maybe in another 20-30 years someone would develop a cancer they otherwise wouldn&#039;t have. So, I spent $80k I didn&#039;t really have and recalled and replaced everyone&#039;s product. I reported it to CPSC and handled the recall through them as you are legally required to do.<br /> <br /> - Most companies let their old products deprecate and they no longer support them. I&#039;ve committed (and tell customers this) that we will keep replacement components in stock for every version of the product back to when we started in 2017 (either direct replacement, or compatible upgrade etc.). It doesn&#039;t matter if you are the 2nd, 4th, or 10th owner of that product, we will do tech support with you on the phone and help you figure out what parts you need to get that product up and running again.<br /> <br /> - A client wanted to buy $50,000 worth of product from us. They bought one $5,000 unit to test, and then were going to order the rest the following week. Because we rushed the order, the charger got left out of the box. Despite it being an extremely easy problem to solve (just overnight a charger), he cussed my customer service rep out on the phone for 10 minutes about it. When my rep told me about it, I called the client and told them that no one talks to my employees like that and we would no longer be doing business with them.<br /> <br /> - When we F*ck up an order, and it&#039;s a critical item to the customer, we will overnight ship whatever is needed to make it right. For a time, because our processes were bad, we ended up overnighting stuff A LOT. The pain of this expense eventually pushed us to dramatically improve our processes to prevent shipping damage, and mis-picks.<br /> <br /> - I tell my employees when things aren&#039;t going well with the business. I didn&#039;t used to. I used to bleed optimism and pretend the bad stuff wasn&#039;t happening. In 2022 we were burning cash and I was delusional about it. One day I realized I needed to lay off half the company or else we were bankrupt in 6 weeks. The day before I was optimistic and rah rah for the future, and the next day half the company was gone (and for those people, I offered them severance as some compensation to help with getting blindsided). The reason no one else has left in the 2 years since was because I publicly committed to honesty and transparency from there on out, and have stuck to it.<br /> <br /> - I&#039;ve turned down acquisition offers (and thus big personal pay-days) in the past, because I didn&#039;t feel like values with the other party were aligned, and I didn&#039;t think the new owners would take good care of my customers and my employees. It&#039;s ok, there will be other opportunities in the future, and eventually one will be a great fit.<br /> <br /> - Right now, we are out of stock due to some poor planning. We have lots of preorders. Due to some unusual delays, we knew weeks in advance that we were going to miss those promised delivery dates. My customer service person was very concerned we were going to lose sales if she sent an email letting them know so far out. I told her to let them know any way. We did lose a $5000 order. And I&#039;m ok with that.<br /> <br /> - Reviews. I automatically send a review request email to <u>every</u> customer. Even the upset ones. I do not incentivize them in any way to respond positively. No coupon, no manipulation, no free product, no nothing. Every review we get, we publish, unedited, onto our website for all to see. This pushes us to go to the extreme end of what &quot;above and beyond&quot; means in customer service. As such, we actually haven&#039;t gotten any 1-star reviews in years.<br /> <br /> - I learned 2 days ago that I misunderstood my state&#039;s sales tax law. I thought I could purchase cardboard packaging tax-free (in many states you can), and I&#039;ve been doing so for the last 2-3 years. I have my admin assistant adding up how much tax we should have paid on those purchases, and we are going to remit probably around $10k to the state next month. This would likely never have been noticed, except in the case of a thorough audit (and even then, maybe not).<br /> <br /> - I could avoid tariffs and save hundreds of thousands a year by calling my product from a different country than where it technically was mostly manufactured. Or I could call it an import code that is not what the product is. But I don&#039;t. My factory also offers to manipulate the commercial invoice with a lower dollar amount in order to save me duties. I have always refused and insist that the full dollar amount is on the invoice.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I could go on.<br /> <br /> <br /> We have 3 short &amp; sweet company values. #1 is &quot;Always do the right thing&quot;. This guides every difficult decision we have to make.<br /> <br /> Not sure what to do? Just look at the poster on the wall.<br /> <br /> One of my proudest moments recently was when my 24 year old warehouse manager called out a 40 year old employee for a proposal they made that was lacking integrity by quoting this core value at them, and she was totally right and I backed her up.<br /> <br /> <br /> So, integrity has cost me literally hundreds of thousands of dollars. What have I received in return?<br /> <br /> 1) Insanely loyal employees. My first employee is still here 7 years later. I essentially have zero turnover and no one ever leaves. There is a real tangible benefit to the accumulated knowledge a multi-year employee has. There is a real tangible benefit to never having to train and retrain employees for vacant positions.<br /> <br /> 2) Insanely loyal customers and brand equity. Be careful asking a question related to our product in our niche&#039;s facebook communities. Our customers will get wind of it and you will be swarmed with positivity. We have any army of customers that goes above and beyond for us.<br /> <br /> Our customers also:<br /> - Give demos of their product to people in their local community (we have hundreds of customers listed on our website that have signed up to do this).<br /> - Have invested hundreds of thousands (soon to be 1M+) of their dollars in both equity investments and product development projects of the business.<br /> - Drive a word of mouth sales machine that prevents me from needing to do any advertising (other than a little retargeting). Other brands spend 15-20% of revenue on Meta to get new customers.<br /> - Demo our products for us at trade shows and local events<br /> - And some of them become employees (and the best employees at that).<br /> <br /> 3) Extremely cooperative vendors<br /> <br /> - I didn&#039;t share many specific examples above, but we treat our vendors and suppliers just as well as our customers and employees.<br /> - My Chinese factory has never given any of their clients payment terms on their container orders before. But they gave me net-30 payment terms. And on my next order, they&#039;ve agreed to Net-60. Eventually they will give me Net-90. I have established a pattern with them of always doing what I say I&#039;m going to do, and operating with integrity.<br /> <br /> <br /> 4) No skeletons in my closet<br /> <br /> - If/when I choose to sell the business, I have nothing to hide. No product liability issues. No tax issues. No legal issues. Nothing to kill the deal in due diligence.<br /> <br /> <br /> My #1 rule of business is &quot;don&#039;t go to jail&quot; and I have to say, I sleep very well at night.<br /> <br /> <br /> Great thread <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/12271/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="12271" data-username="@Ravens_Shadow">@Ravens_Shadow</a> you and I need to talk about this topic more in a couple of weeks <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Thanks for the comprehensive answer this helps a lot! A Gold Mine</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 16059" data-quote="amp0193" data-source="post: 1143249" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143249" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143249">amp0193 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> If you&#039;re integrity has never been tested, you cannot say for sure whether or not you have any. The farther you go in business, the more $0&#039;s get added to the ethical dilemmas you will have to face.<br /> <br /> <br /> Here&#039;s some of the dilemmas I&#039;ve faced in my current business:<br /> <br /> - I hired an assembly mechanic and convinced him to leave his other job to start building our next container of inventory. The factory F*cked us over and sent us 95% unsellable product that had literally been underwater in a flood. There was nothing to assemble, and also I had no product to sell (so no sales). But I promised him the job, so I took a loan out so that I could pay him his hourly wage for the next 6 months until we got that inventory replaced and back in stock. You think he was loyal to me after that? You bet your a$$ he was, and he worked for me for years.<br /> <br /> - We discovered a product after 3 years of use had a cracked weld at a critical point. No one was injured, but one could imagine a scenario where it could have eventually caused an injury. We recalled that entire batch of product, and replaced everyone&#039;s product at no cost (again, 3 years after they originally purchased).<br /> <br /> - An employee asked for a week off on the schedule 3 months in the past. When the time comes, it turns out we actually really need them. I let them take their time off anyways and do not pressure them in any way, or make them feel bad about it. We&#039;ll do our best without them.<br /> <br /> - Speaking of vacation, I never call/email/text any employee on any day of PTO. Doesn&#039;t matter if there is a situation that is &quot;urgent&quot;. Nothing is so urgent that I try to force them to work, or think about work, on their sacred time off. We can wait until they are back, or figure it out on our own.<br /> <br /> - I tested one of our products 2 years ago for lead paint. Our product is not legally subject to this standard, and this was an &quot;above and beyond&quot; quality test. It failed the test, badly. I could choose to do nothing, and no one (except me) would ever know. While the paint was under thick clear coatings, and was unlikely to have been exposed in any product in that 2 year time frame, maybe in a decade with wear and tear, this high level of lead would seep into someone&#039;s environment and their daily interactions with the product. Maybe in another 20-30 years someone would develop a cancer they otherwise wouldn&#039;t have. So, I spent $80k I didn&#039;t really have and recalled and replaced everyone&#039;s product. I reported it to CPSC and handled the recall through them as you are legally required to do.<br /> <br /> - Most companies let their old products deprecate and they no longer support them. I&#039;ve committed (and tell customers this) that we will keep replacement components in stock for every version of the product back to when we started in 2017 (either direct replacement, or compatible upgrade etc.). It doesn&#039;t matter if you are the 2nd, 4th, or 10th owner of that product, we will do tech support with you on the phone and help you figure out what parts you need to get that product up and running again.<br /> <br /> - A client wanted to buy $50,000 worth of product from us. They bought one $5,000 unit to test, and then were going to order the rest the following week. Because we rushed the order, the charger got left out of the box. Despite it being an extremely easy problem to solve (just overnight a charger), he cussed my customer service rep out on the phone for 10 minutes about it. When my rep told me about it, I called the client and told them that no one talks to my employees like that and we would no longer be doing business with them.<br /> <br /> - When we F*ck up an order, and it&#039;s a critical item to the customer, we will overnight ship whatever is needed to make it right. For a time, because our processes were bad, we ended up overnighting stuff A LOT. The pain of this expense eventually pushed us to dramatically improve our processes to prevent shipping damage, and mis-picks.<br /> <br /> - I tell my employees when things aren&#039;t going well with the business. I didn&#039;t used to. I used to bleed optimism and pretend the bad stuff wasn&#039;t happening. In 2022 we were burning cash and I was delusional about it. One day I realized I needed to lay off half the company or else we were bankrupt in 6 weeks. The day before I was optimistic and rah rah for the future, and the next day half the company was gone (and for those people, I offered them severance as some compensation to help with getting blindsided). The reason no one else has left in the 2 years since was because I publicly committed to honesty and transparency from there on out, and have stuck to it.<br /> <br /> - I&#039;ve turned down acquisition offers (and thus big personal pay-days) in the past, because I didn&#039;t feel like values with the other party were aligned, and I didn&#039;t think the new owners would take good care of my customers and my employees. It&#039;s ok, there will be other opportunities in the future, and eventually one will be a great fit.<br /> <br /> - Right now, we are out of stock due to some poor planning. We have lots of preorders. Due to some unusual delays, we knew weeks in advance that we were going to miss those promised delivery dates. My customer service person was very concerned we were going to lose sales if she sent an email letting them know so far out. I told her to let them know any way. We did lose a $5000 order. And I&#039;m ok with that.<br /> <br /> - Reviews. I automatically send a review request email to <u>every</u> customer. Even the upset ones. I do not incentivize them in any way to respond positively. No coupon, no manipulation, no free product, no nothing. Every review we get, we publish, unedited, onto our website for all to see. This pushes us to go to the extreme end of what &quot;above and beyond&quot; means in customer service. As such, we actually haven&#039;t gotten any 1-star reviews in years.<br /> <br /> - I learned 2 days ago that I misunderstood my state&#039;s sales tax law. I thought I could purchase cardboard packaging tax-free (in many states you can), and I&#039;ve been doing so for the last 2-3 years. I have my admin assistant adding up how much tax we should have paid on those purchases, and we are going to remit probably around $10k to the state next month. This would likely never have been noticed, except in the case of a thorough audit (and even then, maybe not).<br /> <br /> - I could avoid tariffs and save hundreds of thousands a year by calling my product from a different country than where it technically was mostly manufactured. Or I could call it an import code that is not what the product is. But I don&#039;t. My factory also offers to manipulate the commercial invoice with a lower dollar amount in order to save me duties. I have always refused and insist that the full dollar amount is on the invoice.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I could go on.<br /> <br /> <br /> We have 3 short &amp; sweet company values. #1 is &quot;Always do the right thing&quot;. This guides every difficult decision we have to make.<br /> <br /> Not sure what to do? Just look at the poster on the wall.<br /> <br /> One of my proudest moments recently was when my 24 year old warehouse manager called out a 40 year old employee for a proposal they made that was lacking integrity by quoting this core value at them, and she was totally right and I backed her up.<br /> <br /> <br /> So, integrity has cost me literally hundreds of thousands of dollars. What have I received in return?<br /> <br /> 1) Insanely loyal employees. My first employee is still here 7 years later. I essentially have zero turnover and no one ever leaves. There is a real tangible benefit to the accumulated knowledge a multi-year employee has. There is a real tangible benefit to never having to train and retrain employees for vacant positions.<br /> <br /> 2) Insanely loyal customers and brand equity. Be careful asking a question related to our product in our niche&#039;s facebook communities. Our customers will get wind of it and you will be swarmed with positivity. We have any army of customers that goes above and beyond for us.<br /> <br /> Our customers also:<br /> - Give demos of their product to people in their local community (we have hundreds of customers listed on our website that have signed up to do this).<br /> - Have invested hundreds of thousands (soon to be 1M+) of their dollars in both equity investments and product development projects of the business.<br /> - Drive a word of mouth sales machine that prevents me from needing to do any advertising (other than a little retargeting). Other brands spend 15-20% of revenue on Meta to get new customers.<br /> - Demo our products for us at trade shows and local events<br /> - And some of them become employees (and the best employees at that).<br /> <br /> 3) Extremely cooperative vendors<br /> <br /> - I didn&#039;t share many specific examples above, but we treat our vendors and suppliers just as well as our customers and employees.<br /> - My Chinese factory has never given any of their clients payment terms on their container orders before. But they gave me net-30 payment terms. And on my next order, they&#039;ve agreed to Net-60. Eventually they will give me Net-90. I have established a pattern with them of always doing what I say I&#039;m going to do, and operating with integrity.<br /> <br /> <br /> 4) No skeletons in my closet<br /> <br /> - If/when I choose to sell the business, I have nothing to hide. No product liability issues. No tax issues. No legal issues. Nothing to kill the deal in due diligence.<br /> <br /> <br /> My #1 rule of business is &quot;don&#039;t go to jail&quot; and I have to say, I sleep very well at night.<br /> <br /> <br /> Great thread <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/12271/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="12271" data-username="@Ravens_Shadow">@Ravens_Shadow</a> you and I need to talk about this topic more in a couple of weeks <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Thanks for sharing, this is incredibly valuable and worth internalizing for all of us. <br /> <br /> 1) Do the right thing when nobody is looking<br /> 2) Do the right thing even when it can&#039;t be easily quantified or has burden to yourself<br /> 3) Do the right thing even when it&#039;s seemingly small because that behavior will carry over when you scale up</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 130472" data-quote="NervesOfSteel" data-source="post: 1143177" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143177" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143177">NervesOfSteel said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Integrity is a curse! It does not pay the bills!<br /> <br /> <br /> OnlyFans? Still Legal?<br /> <br /> <br /> Next, Don&#039;t question my morality for hogging up weapons! LOL </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> 2020, Covid lockdown. Zero sales. a little over 60 employees (Many being daily wagers)<br /> <br /> On the verge of devastation and a state of dilemma ... &quot;What are the ethics in the first place?&quot; I have often asked myself!<br /> <br /> To support my team?<br /> <br /> Or Rat Eat another Rat?<br /> <br /> I copied a product! <br /> <br /> re-F*****g-designed it!<br /> <br /> New materials!<br /> <br /> Old School&#039;s most economical manufacturing processes ... <br /> <br /> Went to my little factory under the red zone of C0VlD-19.<br /> <br /> Fired up the unit ... one-man army, operated the shearing processes<br /> <br /> Operated the bending operations.<br /> <br /> I powder-coated every product with my hands ... for 6 months of lockdown ...<br /> <br /> and sold 100,000+ of them and saved my company.<br /> <br /> I paid full salary to every employee for the duration of 1st lockdown!<br /> <br /> So, Ethics? I ate somebody&#039;s business ... <br /> <br /> But I saved my employees and my Family at the cost of somebody&#039;s business, his employees and his family!<br /> <br /> So, I can cut jokes about ethics which most won&#039;t understand!<br /> <br /> Will your supplier be ethical if he competed in your domain to save his company?<br /> <br /> Ethics are like a glass half filled with water ... <br /> <br /> Yet people look at it like a virtue! - This is what I find funny!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Striving for absolute 100% integrity makes sense. If you allow small infractions soon this tolerance for shortcuts leads to neglect. The fact that you strive for 100% but admit you are at 90% shows this commitment is not just empty talk.<br /> <br /> It is tempting to not treat every person with the same integrity in business, because subconsciously they seem to be at a different level of moral authority and skin-in-the-game: you as owner, vs employees, vs customers, vs suppliers, vs competitors, vs government agencies. Surely the business does not serve all of them?<br /> <br /> But all of them them are interacting with your business as part of an economic game, ideally continuously, year after year. If you ever lose mutual trust you&#039;ve built up, it is very hard to regain it. At that point it is easier to replace them, but to acquire new customers or employees is costly, and you can&#039;t hide a bad reputation. And ultimately, you can&#039;t rebuild government trust if you start breaking laws. What happens at that point is that many dishonest actors try to cover it up, further digging themselves a deeper hole.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 130472" data-quote="NervesOfSteel" data-source="post: 1143446" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143446" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143446">NervesOfSteel said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> 2020, Covid lockdown. Zero sales. a little over 60 employees (Many being daily wagers)<br /> <br /> On the verge of devastation and a state of dilemma ... &quot;What are the ethics in the first place?&quot; I have often asked myself!<br /> <br /> To support my team?<br /> <br /> Or Rat Eat another Rat?<br /> <br /> I copied a product!<br /> <br /> re-F*****g-designed it!<br /> <br /> New materials!<br /> <br /> Old School&#039;s most economical manufacturing processes ...<br /> <br /> Went to my little factory under the red zone of C0VlD-19.<br /> <br /> Fired up the unit ... one-man army, operated the shearing processes<br /> <br /> Operated the bending operations.<br /> <br /> I powder-coated every product with my hands ... for 6 months of lockdown ...<br /> <br /> and sold 100,000+ of them and saved my company.<br /> <br /> I paid full salary to every employee for the duration of 1st lockdown!<br /> <br /> So, Ethics? I ate somebody&#039;s business ...<br /> <br /> But I saved my employees and my Family at the cost of somebody&#039;s business, his employees and his family!<br /> <br /> So, I can cut jokes about ethics which most won&#039;t understand!<br /> <br /> Will your supplier be ethical if he competed in your domain to save his company?<br /> <br /> Ethics are like a glass half filled with water ...<br /> <br /> Yet people look at it like a virtue! - This is what I find funny! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Honestly, it was your responsibility toward your family and employees what you did was a survival tatic but in the long term <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/12271/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="12271" data-username="@Ravens_Shadow">@Ravens_Shadow</a> and <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/16059/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="16059" data-username="@amp0193">@amp0193</a> stratergies are more beneficial to everyone involved!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 125950" data-quote="Blaze" data-source="post: 1143565" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143565" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143565">Blaze said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Honestly, it was your responsibility toward your family and employees what you did was a survival tatic but in the long term @Ravens_Shadow and @amp0193 stratergies are more beneficial to everyone involved! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I think the actions he describe in the post was more or less in line with me and Raven&#039;s, in terms of his commitment to his stakeholders, but he brought up an interesting point.<br /> <br /> How to view competition in light of this?<br /> <br /> <br /> Personally, I&#039;m highly competitive and want to crush all of my competition. There&#039;s one in particular that I would love to see crash and burn (the way they screw over their customers really pisses me off).<br /> <br /> But I don&#039;t think that has anything to do with the topic of this thread: Integrity.<br /> <br /> We&#039;re not talking about the &quot;ethics&quot; or &quot;morality&quot; of capitalism in a broader sense. I don&#039;t believe in any higher sense of morality, and people can live their lives how they want.<br /> <br /> Integrity is about honoring your commitments and doing the things you say you&#039;re going to do, whether or not there&#039;s any consequences to not doing so, and the point of this thread is that there is a case to be made for the tangible positive impacts of your business from operating this way. <br /> <br /> I&#039;m not arguing that by operating with integrity you are morally &quot;superior&quot; to anyone that doesn&#039;t.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 130472" data-quote="NervesOfSteel" data-source="post: 1143446" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143446" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143446">NervesOfSteel said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> 2020, Covid lockdown. Zero sales. a little over 60 employees (Many being daily wagers)<br /> <br /> On the verge of devastation and a state of dilemma ... &quot;What are the ethics in the first place?&quot; I have often asked myself!<br /> <br /> To support my team?<br /> <br /> Or Rat Eat another Rat?<br /> <br /> I copied a product!<br /> <br /> re-F*****g-designed it!<br /> <br /> New materials!<br /> <br /> Old School&#039;s most economical manufacturing processes ...<br /> <br /> Went to my little factory under the red zone of C0VlD-19.<br /> <br /> Fired up the unit ... one-man army, operated the shearing processes<br /> <br /> Operated the bending operations.<br /> <br /> I powder-coated every product with my hands ... for 6 months of lockdown ...<br /> <br /> and sold 100,000+ of them and saved my company.<br /> <br /> I paid full salary to every employee for the duration of 1st lockdown!<br /> <br /> So, Ethics? I ate somebody&#039;s business ...<br /> <br /> But I saved my employees and my Family at the cost of somebody&#039;s business, his employees and his family!<br /> <br /> So, I can cut jokes about ethics which most won&#039;t understand!<br /> <br /> Will your supplier be ethical if he competed in your domain to save his company?<br /> <br /> Ethics are like a glass half filled with water ...<br /> <br /> Yet people look at it like a virtue! - This is what I find funny! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>It&#039;s not just ethical to provide and protect your family first, but a commandment from god... You did it correctly in my book and the most important book of all time..</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 16059" data-quote="amp0193" data-source="post: 1143568" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143568" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143568">amp0193 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I think the actions he describe in the post was more or less in line with me and Raven&#039;s, in terms of his commitment to his stakeholders, but he brought up an interesting point.<br /> <br /> How to view competition in light of this?<br /> <br /> <br /> Personally, I&#039;m highly competitive and want to crush all of my competition. There&#039;s one in particular that I would love to see crash and burn (the way they screw over their customers really pisses me off).<br /> <br /> But I don&#039;t think that has anything to do with the topic of this thread: Integrity.<br /> <br /> We&#039;re not talking about the &quot;ethics&quot; or &quot;morality&quot; of capitalism in a broader sense. I don&#039;t believe in any higher sense of morality, and people can live their lives how they want.<br /> <br /> Integrity is about honoring your commitments and doing the things you say you&#039;re going to do, whether or not there&#039;s any consequences to not doing so, and the point of this thread is that there is a case to be made for the tangible positive impacts of your business from operating this way.<br /> <br /> I&#039;m not arguing that by operating with integrity you are morally &quot;superior&quot; to anyone that doesn&#039;t. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I assumed having integrity means not lying or cheating on anything that is material to people around you in business (customer, partners, employees…).<br /> <br /> I see the posts drifting towards leadership quality, which is equally important. If you are a leader you need to make the sacrifice that normal people are not willing to.<br /> <br /> You cannot be a leader asking your fellow solider to take down an enemy fortress while you are afraid to charge in the first row fearing the enemy firing power.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper">This reminds me of the classic “Miracle on 34th st.” Where Macy’s gets lots of success by sending customers to their competitors, for lower prices… because they’re seen as very honest and helpful.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 12271" data-quote="Ravens_Shadow" data-source="post: 1143171" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1143171" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1143171">Ravens_Shadow said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Sometimes you want to smash your competitors and slander them, don&#039;t fall for the trap. I myself have a problem with this from time to time and I get so angry that I can&#039;t function. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> What if it&#039;s not slander, but they are real sacks of scammer shits, maybe even slandered you along the way and practiced some sort of business disruption against your mission. Is it okay to strike back on one&#039;s own terms, maybe from the dark a year or so later or is just letting get away with their BS and creating space and focusing on own side of street the answer. <br /> <br /> Also what do you think of this quote.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/fb_img_1729638211685-webp.59705/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/56/56072-7db6e67d18333147f95582c18b83c5d4.jpg?hash=kC4BdaMzEP" class="bbImage " style="" alt="FB_IMG_1729638211685.webp" title="FB_IMG_1729638211685.webp" width="200" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 54694" data-quote="Private Witt" data-source="post: 1144135" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1144135" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1144135">Private Witt said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What if it&#039;s not slander, but they are real sacks of scammer shits, maybe even slandered you along the way and practiced some sort of business disruption against your mission. Is it okay to strike back on one&#039;s own terms, maybe from the dark a year or so later or is just letting get away with their BS and creating space and focusing on own side of street the answer.<br /> <br /> Also what do you think of this quote.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/59705/" target="_blank">View attachment 59705</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>If you&#039;re planning revenge on them a year later... You&#039;re giving them WAY to much of your energy and thoughts.. <br /> <br /> Just give them a quick bonk in the head and move on. Nothing worse than being a potential customer and just seeing all this catty, petty drama going on... Big turn off.. I would avoid as much as possible.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 27703" data-quote="EngineerThis" data-source="post: 1144172" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1144172" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1144172">EngineerThis said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> If you&#039;re planning revenge on them a year later... You&#039;re giving them WAY to much of your energy and thoughts..<br /> <br /> Just give them a quick bonk in the head and move on. Nothing worse than being a potential customer and just seeing all this catty, petty drama going on... Big turn off.. I would avoid as much as possible. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> No plans, not even in the industry anymore. But it&#039;s deep fantasy back in my head that would love to get revenge one day in epic matter out of nowhere. To me it&#039;s a big turn off to see confirmed scammers flourish while honest people get crushed. They even went to prison for Craigslist scamming but the market does not care as they use tactics of feeding the peasant class with BS opportunities and crumbles of a delusion of some sort of future.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 54694" data-quote="Private Witt" data-source="post: 1144178" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1144178" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1144178">Private Witt said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> No plans, not even in the industry anymore. But it&#039;s deep fantasy back in my head that would love to get revenge one day in epic matter out of nowhere. To me it&#039;s a big turn off to see confirmed scammers flourish while honest people get crushed. They even went to prison for Craigslist scamming but the market does not care as they use tactics of feeding the peasant class with BS opportunities and crumbles of a delusion of some sort of future. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Haha, I get it but, trust the good book... They will get what&#039;s coming to them, it&#039;s not up to you. Just because they see monetary success by scamming... Doesn&#039;t mean they see it in their family life, which is usually the case. You should feel bad for them that they had to reach for low blows just to compete with you <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 27703" data-quote="EngineerThis" data-source="post: 1144182" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1144182" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1144182">EngineerThis said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Haha, I get it but, trust the good book... They will get what&#039;s coming to them, it&#039;s not up to you. Just because they see monetary success by scamming... Doesn&#039;t mean they see it in their family life, which is usually the case. You should feel bad for them that they had to reach for low blows just to compete with you <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Nope no trust in any book, unless Unscripted. I actually walked away from their last violations smearing my name and brand as didn&#039;t want to give them power over me, was concerned about market optics and would deal with them later but I washed out after eight years. I actually had massive industry support and could of used divide and conquer tactics as half the state industry was sick of these parasites, who were a couple. One went to the clink for ten years, the other two as he took the main hit but she was the brains of the scam operation. <br /> <br /> Now out of industry for 1.5 years and why should I give two shits because I have no brand or name to care about and not returning as have better horizons. But it&#039;s true the revenge game while enticing does poison the one who seeks revenge. So I move on and bury as I must grow to be better as a person and with business. But there is no statute of limitation if what you say is true, so who knows maybe one day I get a wild hair and visit old friends while in my castle. But than again this is why I may spin my wheels in my life as can&#039;t do the correct thing and just forgive and forget which is most likely the true answer.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 54694" data-quote="Private Witt" data-source="post: 1144186" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1144186" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1144186">Private Witt said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Now out of industry for 1.5 years </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> If I recall, you were in the cannabis industry?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1" data-quote="MJ DeMarco" data-source="post: 1144209" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1144209" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1144209">MJ DeMarco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> If I recall, you were in the cannabis industry </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Yah, first in Washington state which was enjoyable as open environment and was starting to see profit, COVID destroyed me as was event based. Relocated to Tulsa as didn&#039;t shut down as much as other states with COVID, ran into all sorts of territorial issues and good ole boy system, pushed for 2.5 years, did build a lot of allies and had support, but couldn&#039;t figure out how to navigate under such hate and frequent attacks while I was being clean and my opponents were dirt bags and thriving, developed personal issues along with reacting in the wrong way to the business obstruction and crumbled in an impulsive manner undoing 8 years of sacrifice and work. I have no one to blame but myself, will make me stronger down the road.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 54694" data-quote="Private Witt" data-source="post: 1144211" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1144211" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1144211">Private Witt said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> ran into all sorts of territorial issues and good ole boy system </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> The unfortunate thing about this space and the unfolding legalization + decriminalization: After a deep dive on it, I ascertained that it was a gated, closed-system -- in other words, only those with the right political connections were the ones who would make the big $$$. So as things evolved, I viewed cannabis as a political opportunity, not an entrepreneurial one.</div>
 

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