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TikTok May Be BANNED In The US

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It is up to PARENTS and communities to teach their children that this crap can be harmful, and how to use it to their advantage. It absolutely is NOT up to some power hungry government to teach your children.

For the record, I have never been on TikTok other than the odd guitar video a buddy sends me a link to from time to time.

The internet is full of amazing things, it is also full of lots of terrible things. Should the government ban the internet because we don't have the self discipline or the ability to teach our children what they should and should not do when on the internet? Book can be a powerful tool, they can also teach you hateful and harmful things, and fill your mind with poison. Should the government ban reading?

I am in the camp that TikTok is probably a terrible thing for society, but the government can still screw right off. I don't believe that they should even have the power to even be able to mull over the idea of banning a piece of technology like this. It should not even be up for discussion, because they should not even be able to do it.
What's your opinion on hard drugs? Should they be legal and readily available for children?
 
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What's your opinion on hard drugs? Should they be legal and readily available for children?
Readily available for children? Is alcohol readily available for children?

I suppose hard drugs already ARE readily available for anyone who wants them, and yes they should be legal. If I want to go snort coke in the bathroom who's business is that but mine?

Just because something is legal does not mean that people are just going to go out and do it. Weed has been legal here for years and I've never done it. Alcohol is also legal and perfectly accepted and I get drunk like once a year.

I think kids should not do any of that, and neither should most adults for that matter. Any parent who allows their children to do such things needs to be smacked upside the head. My kids already tell me that sugar is poison and want to exercise with me, if they stick with it is up to them, but I am going to give them the best example I possibly can.
 

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This is an interesting debate.

@Kak are you also in favor of legalizing, idk, the distribution and use of fentanyl? Child pornography? Or how about the hot topic of drag queens reading books to children?

If not, on what premise? Is there a clear basis for decision making that reduces nuance?

I also want to minimize government controlling my life, but I’m glad to contribute to and enforce systems that keep pedophiles away from my family.

If our data is being harvested by a communist state to modify the behavior of our children, I think it’s important to have a debate about it. I’m also not sure how we collectively deal with issues like this is black and white, “pro freedom” or not.

Curious to read how you apply libertarian values to nuanced issues.
 

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How old are you?
Of course you look like 22 ;) but Tiktok knows that you aren't.
What if you showed a grown a$$ man (you) a cringe underage girl dancing? He'd quit the app (unless he's a weirdo lol).
What if you showed a horny virgin teenager such a video? He'd smeer all over the floor and go on a horny rampage (what the F*ck did I just write).
Tiktok is smart enough to tell the difference...
I'm 51.

The first time I installed TikTok it was to see what the fuss was all about. Yeah, I saw lots of dancing and uninstalled it about 5 mins later.

The second time I installed TikTok was because I wanted to figure out short-form video. I searched stuff like "how to create tiktok videos" and "tiktok marketing". That set the wheels in motion and I no longer saw dancing.

TikTok shows content based on what we watch. Facebook shows content based on what our social network does.

I'm discussing TikTok from the viewpoint of adults who consume and produce content.

Our kids aren't on any social media and only get phones when they go to secondary school. They watch enough YouTube on the TV as it is, but at least we can see and hear what they're consuming that way.
 
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It is up to PARENTS and communities to teach their children that this crap can be harmful, and how to use it to their advantage. It absolutely is NOT up to some power hungry government to teach your children.

For the record, I have never been on TikTok other than the odd guitar video a buddy sends me a link to from time to time.

The internet is full of amazing things, it is also full of lots of terrible things. Should the government ban the internet because we don't have the self discipline or the ability to teach our children what they should and should not do when on the internet? Book can be a powerful tool, they can also teach you hateful and harmful things, and fill your mind with poison. Should the government ban reading?

I am in the camp that TikTok is probably a terrible thing for society, but the government can still screw right off. I don't believe that they should even have the power to even be able to mull over the idea of banning a piece of technology like this. It should not even be up for discussion, because they should not even be able to do it.

I share this sentiment.
I don't do Tiktok. I avoid Youtube shorts like the plague (it still gets me occasionally). Same regime for my kid. No Tiktok, limited Youtube shorts. I saw how his attention decreased when he started doing a lot of both. Now TikTok is banned. Youtube shorts is limited. I don't rely on the government to raise my kid. As a society, we externalize accountability too much.

@Andy Black, you wrote earlier that it is useful in a way because it pushes people to get the point. Yes, I can see how it is valuable, but I would rather watch a longer form of content with more information, a bit more fluff, than videos that short. Akin your "Take off your coat" - if you want to learn something, hang out with the knowledge a bit.
 

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It is interesting that the US has been creating vehicles for disseminating our culture for generations. When Iran or some similar nation wants to ban Budweiser or Facebook, Americans get all up in arms about freedom. But now someone has allegedly beaten America at its own game and the hypocrisy of Americans is palpable.

Secondly, I grew up a latchkey kid with White Snake and Paula Abdul videos blaring from my TV. Straight up, lots of scantily clad dancing when I grew up had me asking "Is this love, that I'm feel-ling?".

I still was able to learn good choices and thankfully I have a brain that isn't mush.

To hear the uproar in this thread, it sounds like I'm one of the lucky ones to have made it out alive. Apparently, I had "no chance" of making it with all those beach parties MTV was throwing. I'm glad no one told me that. So. Many. Dancing. Girls.

So China's big psy-op is putting dancing girls in front of American boys? Where did those nefarious Chinese geniuses ever get that idea? If that is literally China's best attack on our culture, I for one am not concerned. They are decades too late.

Shortening attention spans? Is that supposed to be a new phenomenon? That too has been a complaint of grown ups for at least as long as I've been alive. Kids with that have been fed drugs for an ADD or ADHD diagnoses since before TikTok was a thing, y'all.

For those coming at @Kak about allowing drugs or porn to kids, that cuts both ways, doesn't it? Why stop at banning TikTok? Let's ban rap music, cigarettes, and violent video games. Those have been allowed for far too long. Ban Mtv and Keeping up with the Kardashians too, that's all trash anyways. Ban soft drinks. Ban fast food. Ban curse words. Ban alternative lifestyles in media. Ban alternative lifestyles entirely. Ban pre-marital sex. Ban bikinis and speedos and tight shorts and leggings. Ban phones in the hands of anyone under 21. Let's just get ahead of ourselves and ban VR too. All VR. Rots the brain, rots the eyes, makes kids fat, and you know no good's going to come of it. Ban it all.

We have to save the youth!

Because if these kids today grow up and have kids of their own, imagine how many pronouns those kids will create. They probably won't even identify as kids anymore!

And all because CHINA and TikTok!

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I’m not going to give you your fairytale emotionally charged argument that TikTok is going to destroy civilization. It is hyperbolic and ridiculous.

Plus, you seem to think I care if the US exists or not. The US government is a bigger threat to my freedom than China is. China didn’t lock me down. China didn’t force our businesses to close their doors. Heavy handed authoritarian American democracy did which is exactly what banning an app is. It’s hypocrisy to simultaneously be pro-freedom and want to ban some app. You can’t have it both ways. You either care about freedom or you don’t.

Yes, I am aware of what Fox News tells people China shows on TikTok. I’m sure no American ever queued up a bunch of smut on their own. No American would ever do that.

And China, LOL, I’m sure there’s zero smut there whatsoever.

My TikTok, that I don’t even use, was full of business stuff, home improvement, and golf stuff because that’s what I decided to follow.

America banning TikTok “because China” is a very China move.

It is interesting that the US has been creating vehicles for disseminating our culture for generations. When Iran or some similar nation wants to ban Budweiser or Facebook, Americans get all up in arms about freedom. But now someone has allegedly beaten America at its own game and the hypocrisy of Americans is palpable.

Secondly, I grew up a latchkey kid with White Snake and Paula Abdul videos blaring from my TV. Straight up, lots of scantily clad dancing when I grew up had me asking "Is this love, that I'm feel-ling?".

I still was able to learn good choices and thankfully I have a brain that isn't mush.

To hear the uproar in this thread, it sounds like I'm one of the lucky ones to have made it out alive. Apparently, I had "no chance" of making it with all those beach parties MTV was throwing. I'm glad no one told me that. So. Many. Dancing. Girls.

So China's big psy-op is putting dancing girls in front of American boys? Where did those nefarious Chinese geniuses ever get that idea? If that is literally China's best attack on our culture, I for one am not concerned. They are decades too late.

Shortening attention spans? Is that supposed to be a new phenomenon? That too has been a complaint of grown ups for at least as long as I've been alive. Kids with that have been fed drugs for an ADD or ADHD diagnoses since before TikTok was a thing, y'all.

For those coming at @Kak about allowing drugs or porn to kids, that cuts both ways, doesn't it? Why stop at banning TikTok? Let's ban rap music, cigarettes, and violent video games. Those have been allowed for far too long. Ban Mtv and Keeping up with the Kardashians too, that's all trash anyways. Ban soft drinks. Ban fast food. Ban curse words. Ban alternative lifestyles in media. Ban alternative lifestyles entirely. Ban pre-marital sex. Ban bikinis and speedos and tight shorts and leggings. Ban phones in the hands of anyone under 21. Let's just get ahead of ourselves and ban VR too. All VR. Rots the brain, rots the eyes, makes kids fat, and you know no good's going to come of it. Ban it all.

We have to save the youth!

Because if these kids today grow up and have kids of their own, imagine how many pronouns those kids will create. They probably won't even identify as kids anymore!

And all because CHINA and TikTok!

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Surprising to hear such wise critical thinking ability from two of the supposedly more redneck, "American deep South" members here lol These are 2 rare geniuses who apparently have not been brainwashed wholesale by major news outlets.


In regards to TikTok I read that the Chinese TikTok only allows educational content go viral while the US(western) version of TikTok only allows mind numbing dumb shit go viral.

Laughable. The "numbing shit" that goes viral is because they are just way more addictive and increases dopamine levels far more.

Replace TikTok with Instagram instead and leave behind the bias for a while.
On Instagram, would you (or most people) be more likely to spend 8 seconds watching an educational video about electromagnetism, or spend 16 seconds watching a girl in bikini doing pullups on a pull-up bar installed on the tallest edge of the Empire State Building? Be honest.

Anyway, you can probably get a VPN based in China, download the Chinese version of TikTok (called Douyin) to check for yourself. There should be an APK somewhere if you're using Android. This is assuming you can view the videos without having to have a Chinese identity card.
 
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Surprising to hear such wise critical thinking ability from two of the supposedly more redneck, "American deep South" members here lol These are 2 rare geniuses who apparently have not been brainwashed wholesale by major news outlets.




Laughable. The "numbing shit" that goes viral is because they are just way more addictive and increases dopamine levels far more.

Replace TikTok with Instagram instead and leave behind the bias for a while.
On Instagram, would you (or most people) be more likely to spend 8 seconds watching an educational video about electromagnetism, or spend 16 seconds watching a girl in bikini doing pullups on a pull-up bar installed on the tallest edge of the Empire State Building? Be honest.

Anyway, you can probably get a VPN based in China, download the Chinese version of TikTok (called Douyin) to check for yourself. There should be an APK somewhere if you're using Android. This is assuming you can view the videos without having to have a Chinese identity card.
I'm not going to pretend Instagram is not bad.

I also understand the argument to not ban TikTok. I just find it hard to believe that we don't have a duty to protect children from obviously malicious forces. The US makes it illegal for children to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes before a certain age, because they are not old enough to make a rational decision.

What makes you think children have the ability to resist an algorythm that is specifically designed to hook them in and propagandize to these kids? Give them dopamine hits by providing a viral video only every 8 to 10 videos to keep them hooked and scrolling, which is the same methods used in casinos.

If you want to let adults use TikTok, go ahead. But allowing children to be manipulated by adults from a communist country all because of freedom... no. We have never let our children be fully free. The society is supposed to help shape our children so we can pass the torch onto them when they grow older. You can't do that when you have their brains filled with propagandistic bullshit and are addicted to scrolling their phones.

Do I think the debate is nuanced. Yes. I could be swayed either direction in my opinion, given a more compelling argument. But to ignore the problem because the concept of freedom is more important than preserving a society worth preserving... I don't fully agree.
 

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I could understand it being banned in the US due to China and privacy etc, but banning it just because it turns kids into idiots isn't something I can agree with. The same thing has been said in the past about music, tv, movies, games and so on.

Way too much of a slippery slope.
 

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I imagine Vine (via Twitter) would take its place
It is weird that Twitter invented the short-form video format with Vine, only to shut it down, and then watch TikTok become the most popular video platform. I would imagine Elon Musk already has people working on bringing Vine back. It's probably almost free money since they already had the infrastructure for it.
 

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I'm not going to pretend Instagram is not bad.

I also understand the argument to not ban TikTok. I just find it hard to believe that we don't have a duty to protect children from obviously malicious forces. The US makes it illegal for children to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes before a certain age, because they are not old enough to make a rational decision.

What makes you think children have the ability to resist an algorythm that is specifically designed to hook them in and propagandize to these kids? Give them dopamine hits by providing a viral video only every 8 to 10 videos to keep them hooked and scrolling, which is the same methods used in casinos.

If you want to let adults use TikTok, go ahead. But allowing children to be manipulated by adults from a communist country all because of freedom... no. We have never let our children be fully free. The society is supposed to help shape our children so we can pass the torch onto them when they grow older. You can't do that when you have their brains filled with propagandistic bullshit and are addicted to scrolling their phones.

Do I think the debate is nuanced. Yes. I could be swayed either direction in my opinion, given a more compelling argument. But to ignore the problem because the concept of freedom is more important than preserving a society worth preserving... I don't fully agree.

Leave that to me as a parent, that's my role. Leave that to the people around my kid, my community. Leave the government out of it.

If we are talking about child trafficking and things that are similar, I agree that the government should be involved. Things like drugs (including alcohol) and social media should be the responsibility of parents.

I grew up in a country where kids can buy alcohol. It was common to have adults sent kids to the neighbour convenience store to buy it. Heck, even if it was banned, I had thousand of ways to get a bottle.

Not going to lie, my friends and I had couple of drinks. But we sure were hidding, because we knew from the grown ups around us that alcohol was not for us. Same goes for things like pornography and many other vices.

We are not saying we should let our youth num themselves dead with social media. The same way we are not suggesting to let them drink to sleep, or smoke until they can't speak.

What we are saying is it shouldnt be the role of the government to raise our youth. That should fall on the parents and the community. We are the one teaching them values we believe they should have to be fulfilled and useful citizen.
 

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TikTok did not destroy the attention span of the youth, it simply knows how to use it to their advantage. And while we are on it, so does Instagram and YouTube, so what‘s the big deal?

If you don’t like that, don‘t use it. If someone else likes to use it, let them use it.

The only thing that will happen if it gets banned, is that people will scroll through another app like it (that already exists as mentioned).

I read somewhere in here that the Chinese are destroying the American‘s youth’s mind… didn‘t know that Instagram, who does exactly the same as TikTok with their Reels, was Chinese. And that these apps are only available in the US.
 
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Looking at a single factor, namely that we shouldn't ban TikTok because that is against the freedom of the individual is not the only factor at play.

Maybe it is the most important factor, and that is fine and legitimate. I am not discounting the very real possibility that banning TikTok can lead to a slippery slope argument that can be used in a broader scope in the future. However, is this not already the case in the US? The US government has already banned certain companies from participating in the US for national security reasons. You can agree with this or not, but it has already happened. That genie has been let out of the bag. The slippery slope has already begun. So regardless if they ban TikTok or not, there is precedent for US politicians to further push the envelope for taking away more of our freedoms.

At a minimum, before people make a decision on TikTok, I think people should also take into consideration a utilitarian perspective. Mainly, what is the end result?

Is it worthwhile to keep TikTok on the basis of a very important concept which is the freedom to make your own decisions? The results of this decision are unknown. We know that Bytedance is basically an arm of the CCP. We know that the CCP has a vested interest in corrupting the minds of foreign adversaries, including the US. We know that TikTok does not follow free speech laws as they will throttle any content that is even remotely anti-CCP(Yes, I know Youtube does this). So if TikTok is just a propaganda arm of the CCP, does the US have a national security duty to its citizens?

Is it better to maintain the concept of freedom if that ultimately pushes us further away from freedom in the end? Mainly, losing more freedom because the CCP can influence children and even adults into hating the Western way of life. Doesn't the US have a vested interest in protecting US ideals? If you want a real-world example of this already happening, look at the morals and ideals of the United States today vs 100 years ago. I would argue that sometime over the last 100 years, mostly over the last 50 years, society has degraded to the point of allowing children to sexually transition themselves because people were too afraid to stand up for societal norms and values. In this case, extreme progressives used the "freedom" talking point to shut down a bunch of traditional Americans and justify the mutilation of children. I understand that people should be free to do what they want, but society should have limits and boundaries. I don't want to see the CCP exploiting America's propensity to freedom so they can further degrade our society. Especially because I know they don't give a damn about freedom.

I don't claim to know the right answer to this problem. I just don't think this question is as black-and-white as people are making it out to be. Maybe the right answer is to let TikTok stay. I don't know.
 

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Ban banning things.

I don’t care if people want to drink alcohol. I don’t care if they want to do crack. I don’t care if they want to balloon up to 600 pounds on McDonalds. I don’t care if they want to risk their lives doing something stupid.

So, I certainly don’t care if someone wants to rot their mind on TikTok.

If you don’t want your kid on TikTok, don’t let them have a TikTok.

Banning things that the king declares “aren’t good for you” is not America. Well, it wasn’t. Now we are begging for collective decrees.
You should care if you want a society
 

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Some of the arguments being made are a bit odd. Personally, I don't use TikTok and I'm indifferent to China.
Let's outline a few facts (from an American perspective), to paint an objective picture:

1. Is TikTok Chinese-owned? Yes.

2. Is TikTok content consumed by Americans primarily produced by China or Chinese "agents"? No.

3.
Is TikTok content consumed by Americans primarily produced by Americans? Most likely.

4. Is TikTok's tech and platform so novel it can't be replicated tomorrow? No.

5.
Did social media addiction, low attention span and videos of dancing people begin with TikTok? No.

6. If TikTok is banned today, will it instantly be replaced by another (most likely American) app? Absolutely!

No matter what you think of China or TikTok, if you really think a Chinese app with American creators being watched by other Americans is China's grand destruction scheme, you might be too far gone into the rabbit hole of paranoia.
 
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No matter what you think of China or TikTok, if you really think a Chinese app with American creators being watched by other Americans is China's grand destruction scheme, you might be too far gone into the rabbit hole of paranoia
That's exactly what a Chinese operative would say!! :fistbump:
 

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Is it better to maintain the concept of freedom if that ultimately pushes us further away from freedom in the end? Mainly, losing more freedom because the CCP can influence children and even adults into hating the Western way of life. Doesn't the US have a vested interest in protecting US ideals?

Sure it does.

But who decides? And who watches the watchers?

I mean, ban tiktok because China, but we don't ban RT because Russia? Or ultra conservative websites because Nazi? Ultra liberal websites because Commies?

Don't we have a vested interest in stopping all that nonsense too?

Is that how America behaves?

Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it, and I for one am not in favor of this neo-McCarthyism that is creeping around.

I am not as extreme as Kak on the issue. I believe the government has a role to play in society, I pay my taxes, and I love my country more than most, but on this issue I think "they" really have "their" clutches into people.

But because guys like Joe Rogan have come out anti tiktok "free thinkers" can feel like they are in the right in calling for an outright government ban? Nope. I can't support that. I just don't think the stakes are high enough for such a drastic step.

For example, I'm all for banning people from owning or carrying rocket launchers. How does Tik Tok rise to the level of rocket launcher?

Think of this another way. What projects greater strength on the world stage? A country that says "Oh no, we don't want elements of your culture here" or a country that says "bring it on, others have been sending propaganda here for at least as long as propaganda has been a word, and we still have a strong culture".

Tiktok will not break the United States. Banning tik tok is about as unAmerican a proposal as I have heard in a while.

Where are all the people who are afraid of moderating social media? Where are all the free speech activists in this thread?

I don't see how in one breath someone can complain about YouTube moderation policies, and in another breath being favor of banning TikTok.

You should care if you want a society

Explain yourself please.

Side note, Kak doesn't want a society. You're barking up the wrong tree there.

I'm your huckleberry. How will banning TikTok enable us to have a society?

This sounds like the same rhetoric the Taliban or CCB uses to justify its bans on whatever it wants to ban.

Surprising to hear such wise critical thinking ability from two of the supposedly more redneck, "American deep South" members here lol These are 2 rare geniuses who apparently have not been brainwashed wholesale by major news outlets.

Supposedly more redneck? "Deep South"? Where did you get THAT? Have I done this poor a job letting my Jersey shine through on the forum?

As a brown-necked Yankee, I find your assessment as ignorant as the people you are trying to insult. I guess you are entitled to jump to conclusions about people, but that says a lot about your critical thinking skills...

American and genius are the only two things you got right about me. My level genius isn't even all that rare, I'm just a common level genius over here. ;)
 

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Was just about to shut it down and then got a 290k views video and 2k new followers last night.

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Was just about to shut it down and then got a 290k views video and 2k new followers last night.

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I saw that video earlier today! Well done! I've noticed growth on the platform can be slow at first, but once you make the right video that addresses a nerve in your audience, things can snowball.
 

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I saw that video earlier today! Well done! I've noticed growth on the platform can be slow at first, but once you make the right video that addresses a nerve in your audience, things can snowball.

Thats cool - just organically?
 

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That's exactly what a Chinese operative would say!! :fistbump:
I am a ching chong operative coming to steal those fastlane secrets for the CCP… Cmon guys, just peacefully surrender those juicy secrets already…

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This app is a weaponized trojan horse that has proven spyware capabilities built-in and is also used to destroy whatever is left of gen-z's attention span.

This is not "entertainment", this is cyber warfare.
The truest thing i've read in ages.
Uninstalling tiktok & instagram was the best decision I've ever made.
 

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Though in my opinion, I'm against banning things or people.
for one i think tiktok is a great platform for gaining eyes. I've seen instagram models go from no followers, to 100k because they knew what to make on tiktok. I'll personally be using it once i start being active on social media.

two, people are going to F*ck their lives up anyway. doesn't mean everyone will. Just because say a certain drink is unhealthy doesn't mean it should be banned. It's their fault if they're addicted not ours.
Or in other words, this.
Ban banning things.

I don’t care if people want to drink alcohol. I don’t care if they want to do crack. I don’t care if they want to balloon up to 600 pounds on McDonalds. I don’t care if they want to risk their lives doing something stupid.

So, I certainly don’t care if someone wants to rot their mind on TikTok.

If you don’t want your kid on TikTok, don’t let them have a TikTok.

Banning things that the king declares “aren’t good for you” is not America. Well, it wasn’t. Now we are begging for collective decrees.

Third , this.
Oh, and look how many youngsters can now naturally hop on a phone and express themselves? Compare that to earlier generations who can't get their message out because they can't get over themselves?

It's the same for Instagram or honestly most platforms. Everyone can make their own community based on the message they're trying to get out, whereas it wasn't possible a while back.

everything has good and bad, it's up to ourselves to use the app for good and not bad. For me, as someone who's into fashion/modeling I can use the app to put myself out there.
 

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Do you think the goverment will end up banning TikTok in the US? If so, when & what will take its place?

I imagine Vine (via Twitter) would take its place

Wonder what this would do to all the TikTok Agencies out there...

As a teenager who is surrounded by people who use TikTok and an ex user myself. I think this one of the best things the US can do right now. This app is robbing people of free time and any kind of brain function. TikTok is one of the worst invention human kind has created in the past years in my opinion, no good comes out of watching TikTok for 3 hours straight and forgetting what was the last thing you saw. I personally thing it should be banned in every country and let's hope nothing like it will come to take TikTok's place.
 
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Do you think the goverment will end up banning TikTok in the US? If so, when & what will take its place?

I imagine Vine (via Twitter) would take its place

Wonder what this would do to all the TikTok Agencies out there...

I don’t think it will happen. Just too many legal obstacles and political backslash.

What about youtube shorts? Nothing different.

Protecting “teenage attention” is not a good excuse. If that really mattered advocates for restricting access to online adult content could have done it a long time ago, unrestrained by first amendment.
 

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Said I'd give this app another go.

Downloaded it and it asked me what I'd like to see. I said educational and health and fitness.

The first 20 or so videos were like a freak show. Watching overweight women dancing, one woman was so fat she had a front bum. Other videos were people with disabilities dancing. Then another was of ah Irish traveller calling out other Irish travellers.

Deleted. Never again.
 

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