Learning to Program is STUPID! (or SMART?!)

[Thurlam]

I have been struggling with this concept myself. I have a CS degree and am currently reading CA$HVERTISING while trying to figure out how to proceed.

Both skills are clearly quite valuable. But I agree with the assessment that to actually be competent enough at coding you really need to have many years of experience doing it regularly, and ideally professionally. I'm definitely not that, since despite getting a CS degree (and having a decent talent for it) I rested on my laurels and not only didn't improve my skills but let them nearly atrophy away altogether. I've been looking into re-learning code and getting a code monkey job (I need an actual income to start...seems like it would be wise to leverage my degree & modest experience), but if I could hit the ground floor writing copy for profit that seems like it would be a more attractive route. After all, you need to market/advertise to sell just about anything, and just about anything doesn't necessarily have to be code. A lot of times, you can have a business that only needs prebuilt solutions like Shopify, Clickfunnels, or Salesforce. Or hell, just throw it up on amazon and market through social media or something (where 'it' refers to an actually valuable marketable product).

I'm still clueless how to break into copywriting on an entry level, though. My copywriting resume would consist of 'I read a book about it once.' Not exactly an attractive hire on that front. Nor do I have anything to sell on my own at the moment, and I doubt I will so long as I don't have an income or the coding skills to build anything of note. So unless I can figure out a way to jump right into copywriting for profit, the only decent path I can see going forward is the code monkey wage cage. Which itself would probably require I spend a good chunk of time coding some personal project so my resume doesn't look like a$$. Alas, life is difficult and confusing.

 

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[Oso]

Coding has always been one of the most valuable skills to obtain. I'm currently 33 years old and have only been a web developer for about a year now. I'll more than likely never be good enough to be a senior developer in a professional setting. That's okay though, as that isn't my end-goal. My point is, being able to efficiently code is worth it, especially nowadays.

I know more than enough frontend development to readily get a job, making 60k+/year. Sure, it isn't shit, but when you've spent your entire life working warehouses for 20k-30k/yr, doubling (at a minimum) your yearly salary is huge.

Developer jobs will forever be sitting empty. There simply aren't enough developers. Coding gives you the foundational job to launch everything else. Not to mention the skills are transferable into every single industry.

I'm learning real estate rn. Taking the 75 hour course to get my broker's license. After, maybe 3 weeks of being in the industry, I've already seen an idea and measured interest in it. My response has been over the moon positive.

If I had to hire someone to develop this, at its base level of functionality, I'd expect to pay a developer ~40k. I don't have 40k.

Regardless of your life goals, end goals, etc. if you need stability (read: money) before you begin your entrepreneurial adventure, I'd 100% recommend learning basic development. You can realistically land a frontend gig in 3-6 months, depending on your available time.

Coding will always be worth it (even if you hate it).

 

[Yogi_Fastlane]

This topic probably breaks wantrepreneurs and separates them from real entrepreneurs, when you've limited resources and time window in life to get into Entrepreneurship, then it becomes critical to choose the path, different opinions make it even more difficult.

I feel it's a highly personalised subject, to each his own with their skill levels and budgets.

Trying to build a Big online business like SaaS organically in a competitive market is going to be difficult for a new coder/no coder. If the product is complex it's going to take more than just programming knowledge, albeit a team of experienced programmers.

Trying to build a web plugin is possible single-handedly without having too much of programming experience.

Trying to build a popular play store app is gonna be costly if you need to advertise, Marketing skills are paramount in that case.

So, based on the business case, the requirements change, although one thing that seems to be certain is one needs to have the basics of both Coding and Marketing covered, and specialise in either one or both in order to increase their chances of success, I think it must be a step by step approach, one shall not directly jump into complex business solutions, even if the idea qualifies CENTS, one must always try to check if they have the skills to make their vision real, making an MVP will help but if it's too big a task to not build the business model within a year or so, the time window for that business might move on, the CENTS might just change with time, so one needs to muster the skills required within that time span, a step by step model which starts with a free sharing software or marketing gig to premium/paid services (Which shall replace your living expenses) and then moving onto bigger and riskier things should be the right approach, most successful entrepreneurs seem to have done that way.

So for Wantapreneurs, with no money and no skills, they shall first focus on earning a living wage with the Business skills (Coding, Marketing) required in line with their big long-term goal, and then gradually build their Businesses with the improved skills levels over time.

Business skills = Successful business

 

[Tony_Rolls_Royce]

google guys? coded it themselves.
facebook guys? coded it themselves
ebay guys? coded it themselves
hotmail? coded it themselves
pinterest owners? coded it themselves
microsoft? coded it themselves.
reddit?
slashdot?
yahoo?
paypal?
and the list goes on.

the major owner's wrote the first version/prototypes themselves, before they started hiring programmers.

if you want to make billions upon billions, you better learn to code!
if you are shooting for 6, 7 figures, then programming

And I belive there are other companies that were founded also without coding.

 

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[Alessandros]

There's more than one way to skin a cat. Every man is the architect of his own fortune! In my opinion learning how to program is an excellent idea. But of course - nobody has to. There are so many possibilities.

 

[Mr Cracker]

I'm just happy this thread is still going after all these years.

 

[Tawxp2004]

Luckily I realised this early.

I study copy, it opens doors. I team with coders.

Hi crypto

what's you mean you are studying copy ?

Thanks

 

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[DuncDad]

I still don't understand why people here want to learn to code!

Spend that time learning to market and write sales copy. Spending 1000 hours to learn to code to spend 200 hours writing an app is STUPID.

Spend the 1000 hours learning to market and write copy, and you can use that skill for the life of the app, plus the life of the next app, and other peoples apps AND it makes you money. Writing code just means you have something, but it won't sell itself.

Here is how it will work if you learn to code:
1000 hours learning to code.
200 hours writing an app.
wait for a sale, wait some more, wait some more.
Spend 1000 hours learning to market and write copy.
sell some of your app
spend 150 hours fixing bugs and responding to support issues because your app is crap because it takes 5000 hours to really learn how to code.
get frustrated and yank your app because of the PITA factor and all the bad reviews of your app.


Learn to market and write copy:
1000 hours learning to market and write code, while that 1000 hours is going on, pay someone that has 10,000 hours of training on apps to write your app.
Start marketing your app immediately.
Sell lots of your app.
Pass any support issues to the developer
Sell lots more of your app.
Create 3 more apps and market the hell out of them
Go to the bank often to deposit checks.

Do you SEE the difference????

Learning to write copy is also 'stupid' by your argument.
Just pay someone who already is good at it.

Pay the programmers (slowlaners usually), Pay the copywriters (slowlaners also) -- for one, I don't have $50-$100k just on hand to begin, but thats what I would do if if did.

D

 

[AnNvr]

May I brake this down..?

These type of threads are Grant Cardone - Robert Kyiosaki style: spiteful and lack in constructive criticism.
Sounds like they are written to put down someone else process rather than elevate and orientate a cause with good content.

In short, they're toxic.
(my humble opinion)

The point in discussion seems to be aiming to the profitability of a skill (copywriter) compared to another one (software developer) honoring time-effective actions towards the fast-lane.
And so, following this thread, I should drop everything right now, open a marketing or copy writing book and learn the skill of writing copies (of what? someone else product which I have no clue what it is nor the target audience? - as if there weren't enough copywriters on the market to fulfill the tasks).
For instance; I know copywriters at the age of +40, living in rent of a shoe-box of 10 square meters in the city, unlikely their fellow software developers who run their own business owning their own life, property included.
Overall, it's all subjective regardless of the skill in point, am I wrong?

So far, reading the author's books, mastering sales and marketing is among the entrepreneur' prerogatives; not the only one: here seems to be missing the point regarding value and producer-ism.

To answer the question:"why people want to learn coding?" - well, maybe they want to create something valuable, which does not require to be a senior web developer nor a coding master? Then learning to sell it is fundamental, I agree. But saying that learn to code is stupid it's questionable.

Nothing personal, and I do not want to offend nor attack. Cheers!

A

 

[Alessandros]

Pay the programmers (slowlaners usually), Pay the copywriters (slowlaners also) -- for one, I don't have $50-$100k just on hand to begin, but thats what I would do if if did.

That's an excellent argument. As a beginner you can't employ other persons, you can't spend 100k on a programmer. And there are also a lot of reasons that you couldn't outsource your programming work. How will you further develop a product, you don't understand, because you haven't programmed it? What happens when there are serious programming errors in it? How do you control the quality of your program, if you don't know much about programming? What about copyrights? And is such a program then exactly what you want, in every detail?

My conclusion to this is: in the beginning of a startup or so you have to do all the work alone.

 

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[araknid]

This has been an interesting thread. It's taken me more than a week to read all of it.

I'm a software engineer, having taught myself coding 5 years ago. I don't regret it one bit (pun not intended).

The OP is right on a lot of counts. Marketing and sales are universal skills: nearly every product or service needs marketing and selling. Not all products are software.

"Build it and they will come" rarely happens. In "Zero to One" Peter Thiel talks a lot about how important sales and marketing is. PayPal shook up a massive industry, they apparently had world-class software, but got started by a viral marketing tactic: offering people money to sign up, targeting the market of eBay power sellers.

I also think that a lot of software guys/girls have a natural bias towards coding, just because for us we can be like the apocryphal man with a hammer, where everything looks like a nail. We naturally neglect the marketing and sales because we think the value is in the code. Or we ignore non-tech opportunities.

On the other hand, pure marketing people who don't focus on their own "productocracy" and who sell someone else's product may not be fully in control anymore (thus violating CENTS).

My point is, having multiple skills is important.

But I don't think it's one or the other. Learning coding wouldn't prevent you from learning marketing/sales along the way. It's a false dichotomy.

Here are some business benefits of learning coding:

• You are often at the bleeding edge of innovation
• You are primed to see opportunities to innovate and automate, in the tech field or otherwise
• You learn to think in a "systems" way: examples include single points of failure, feedback loops, bottlenecks
• The jobs are well-paid, and normally cushy. I've never been asked to work overtime. I work from home. People treat me well. My salary is great (though here in the UK probably lower on average than the US). Therefore, I have capital and time to throw at my own endeavours.
• I can spin up an MVP, landing page, or app very quickly for almost no cost
• Learning new fields in tech becomes even easier with experience/skills
• As Naval Ravikant pointed out in the video posted above, if you are competing against someone who is outsourcing, you can iterate at least 10x faster than them and probably 100x cheaper. There's less communication overhead, security risk (see caveat below) and financial risk
• Dustin Moskovitz also pointed out in a video in the "How to Start a Startup" series that you may have more chance of becoming wealthy by joining an early stage startup and getting equity, compared to starting your own startup. Though probably only holds true in places like SF. Point is, you have more options for the fast lane

The thing is, had I read the OP before teaching myself I may have been put off! Then again, I was so determined, so maybe not.

However, another thing I agree on with healthstatus is that most people underestimate how long it takes to learn.

Like any other complex skill, it takes time. It takes years.

And here's the thing: the deeper you get, more you realise how vast the field is. Software is a subset of computer science. And web dev / app dev is a subset of software.

Sure, you can learn how to put an "<h1>" element on a page or code "var a = 1 + 2" pretty quick. After a year, spending hours every day teaching myself, I just about got a job as a junior dev. Even now, years later, I'm in awe of what I don't know.

To make a full-featured SaaS, you need to at least know a little bit about command lines, databases, web servers, design, SEO, accessible HTML, security, etc. Outsourcing could help here. If you are crap at design, hire a designer. Or buy your own templates.

I don't want to put anyone off though. If you really want it you'll learn. You can be productive and competent before being a master. But still be realistic, patient, and think long-term.

Don't buy into the BS that a minority of people are naturally good at coding. That's a fixed mindset: read "Mindset" by Carol Dweck to see why. People can learn almost anything if they are committed enough.

But do most people want it badly enough to keep going through the endless crashes and bugs (because you missed a comma), hours of being stuck on a problem, and realising how much there is to learn? Only some.

Finally, here are some tips to those who are determined to learn:

• Make sure you have a decent understanding of security and vulnerabilities: you owe it to your users. Don't run your own server if you don't understand OS security, use something like Heroku or another platform-as-a-service. Use a battle-tested framework like Django, Rails etc instead of writing your own web and database framework (unless it's a learning exercise). If you don't, you will probably get SQL-injected, and it will suck. Likewise, use front-end frameworks like React to avoid XSS vulnerabilities.
• I found courses (Udemy, YouTube) easier to use at first compared to books, but find out how you learn best
• Have a strong preference towards doing. Don't study from a book all day. Make silly projects to teach yourself, make mistakes
• You will encounter literally thousands upon thousands of bugs and errors on your journey. You will get stuck on problems for hours. Welcome to programming!
• Understand the basics of computers and computer science at least. Nowadays, you can program without knowing too much (because the languages are at a higher level) but it helps
• Learning web dev is a good place to start, since SaaS is still a good business model. HTML and CSS are the easiest - though they are not real programming languages. Learning JavaScript is useful, since it is used exclusively for front-end, is used for React Native (cross-platform mobile apps), NodeJS (used server side) etc. It's not the perfect language for beginners though - Python may be better. Doesn't really matter: after you learned the first one, others just get easier

Long post, but hope this helps someone!

 

[gugutennis]

Coding has always been one of the most valuable skills to obtain. I'm currently 33 years old and have only been a web developer for about a year now. I'll more than likely never be good enough to be a senior developer in a professional setting. That's okay though, as that isn't my end-goal. My point is, being able to efficiently code is worth it, especially nowadays.

I know more than enough frontend development to readily get a job, making 60k+/year. Sure, it isn't shit, but when you've spent your entire life working warehouses for 20k-30k/yr, doubling (at a minimum) your yearly salary is huge.

Developer jobs will forever be sitting empty. There simply aren't enough developers. Coding gives you the foundational job to launch everything else. Not to mention the skills are transferable into every single industry.

I'm learning real estate rn. Taking the 75 hour course to get my broker's license. After, maybe 3 weeks of being in the industry, I've already seen an idea and measured interest in it. My response has been over the moon positive.

If I had to hire someone to develop this, at its base level of functionality, I'd expect to pay a developer ~40k. I don't have 40k.

Regardless of your life goals, end goals, etc. if you need stability (read: money) before you begin your entrepreneurial adventure, I'd 100% recommend learning basic development. You can realistically land a frontend gig in 3-6 months, depending on your available time.

Coding will always be worth it (even if you hate it).

Agree 100%. I also taught myself how to code after 30 years old. I was a lawyer and now work as a software developer without a computer science degree.

For sure coding is a precious skill worth investing in. You can get a position in a good company earning a nice income without spending time or money on a degree. More so, if you deliver your tasks fast enough, you can have a lot of spare time to work on your own projects.

 

[fosterzz]

google guys? coded it themselves.
facebook guys? coded it themselves
ebay guys? coded it themselves
hotmail? coded it themselves
pinterest owners? coded it themselves
microsoft? coded it themselves.
reddit?
slashdot?
yahoo?
paypal?
and the list goes on.

the major owner's wrote the first version/prototypes themselves, before they started hiring programmers.

if you want to make billions upon billions, you better learn to code!
if you are shooting for 6, 7 figures, then programming is stupid.

you don't seem like a smart person

 

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[vanCeos]

I still don't understand why people here want to learn to code!

Spend that time learning to market and write sales copy. Spending 1000 hours to learn to code to spend 200 hours writing an app is STUPID.

Spend the 1000 hours learning to market and write copy, and you can use that skill for the life of the app, plus the life of the next app, and other peoples apps AND it makes you money. Writing code just means you have something, but it won't sell itself.

Here is how it will work if you learn to code:
1000 hours learning to code.
200 hours writing an app.
wait for a sale, wait some more, wait some more.
Spend 1000 hours learning to market and write copy.
sell some of your app
spend 150 hours fixing bugs and responding to support issues because your app is crap because it takes 5000 hours to really learn how to code.
get frustrated and yank your app because of the PITA factor and all the bad reviews of your app.


Learn to market and write copy:
1000 hours learning to market and write code, while that 1000 hours is going on, pay someone that has 10,000 hours of training on apps to write your app.
Start marketing your app immediately.
Sell lots of your app.
Pass any support issues to the developer
Sell lots more of your app.
Create 3 more apps and market the hell out of them
Go to the bank often to deposit checks.

Do you SEE the difference????

Thank you! I guess I won’t do that python course after all. I think you’re absolutely right.

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

I was a lawyer and now work as a software developer without a computer science degree.

add marketing and you have a multi-million dollar skillset

 

[Alfie321]

Head to head I think code wins as a safety net plan. You can learn to code in less than a year and get hired to work remotely if you don't succeed (and you prob wont) in that year. You can get hired as well as a copy writer or just doing something about marketing in general, but unless you are damn good you are not going to get paid a lot. If you are a junior dev you won't get paid insane money, but most of the time for sure you'll get paid more.

Devs also have flexibility. You can take time off almost whenever you want, work remotely, work on a flexible schedule, etc. That will allow you to get free time via PTO/flexibility, non-commuting and just saving money while able to live in a cheaper location.

That said, if marketing works for you, go for it. Just in general I think learning to code has way more advantages than doing copy.

I've been to many of the digital nomad places and it's always the marketing people/wantrepeneurs who are broke and living in a cheap hostel bargaining locals, and the vast majority of programmers are living a good life while having time to build their businesses.

 

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[DCG]

Thats absolutely right. But the fact that you and others who are pro-code-learning ignore is that all those famous technology founders who coded themselves were programmers BEFORE they even thought about starting a business. They were programmers and saw a need in the market to put their skills to use. Not the other way around as people on this board.

Don't get me wrong, I think programming/web development is a great skill to have as an entrepreneur. I started building websites etc when I was 10 or 11, back when the web was completely different. And this experience definitely helps me in my thinking today. But if I would start today I wouldn't learn how to program, because there are enough cheap programmers available to build a prototype for you. What I would learn though are the big picture concepts of web/app development, tools like mockup-creation, be familiar with the technologies out there (e.g. know what programming/scripting languages exist and what they are used for, understand different database concepts, sql vs. nosql etc). Don't learn programming, but learn how to work with programmers to achieve the results you want.

That's actually a really good point

 

[DCG]

I still don't understand why people here want to learn to code!

Spend that time learning to market and write sales copy. Spending 1000 hours to learn to code to spend 200 hours writing an app is STUPID.

Spend the 1000 hours learning to market and write copy, and you can use that skill for the life of the app, plus the life of the next app, and other peoples apps AND it makes you money. Writing code just means you have something, but it won't sell itself.

Here is how it will work if you learn to code:
1000 hours learning to code.
200 hours writing an app.
wait for a sale, wait some more, wait some more.
Spend 1000 hours learning to market and write copy.
sell some of your app
spend 150 hours fixing bugs and responding to support issues because your app is crap because it takes 5000 hours to really learn how to code.
get frustrated and yank your app because of the PITA factor and all the bad reviews of your app.


Learn to market and write copy:
1000 hours learning to market and write code, while that 1000 hours is going on, pay someone that has 10,000 hours of training on apps to write your app.
Start marketing your app immediately.
Sell lots of your app.
Pass any support issues to the developer
Sell lots more of your app.
Create 3 more apps and market the hell out of them
Go to the bank often to deposit checks.

Do you SEE the difference????

Why not just learn both

 

[TheWalker]

I have had the pleasure to learn a bit of both worlds, selling/markteing and also coding. Altough selling and marketing emerged from my past day job and transitioned into an passion of mine which I happily learned more in my free time. I still have to learn a lot in terms of marketing and copy writing, no doubt about this.

However I have pursued some courses about programming and also startet books on java etc. because I have had some ideas which would have required me to be able to code.
I'm not the slowest learner but there are so many different languages and it also depends for which purpose you want to code, but it is soo much to learn and it hinders you when you want to execute on an idea.
To hire or to partner up would be the negst logical idea, but oh boy can I tell you this can go wrong.
First of all, you need to find someone that you trust enough to partner up or just go blind. And with every partnership there are different expectations and priorities in your life which does it make much harder. Or at least can.
Additionally, you get yourself into a really big dependancy because you are suddenly committed to something you don't fully understand, money and time already invested and you are bound to this person that maybe sees things different than you, or just has different priorities.

The same thing when you hire someone, you cannot control quality, you cannot understand how much work something really takes and if the hours someone is working on it or quotes you are legit and not an rip off. Additionally to this, having something programmed can become quite expensive and it can become an endless thing because constantly something new comes up and you never get to an end. This can drain your bank account as well as your motivation.

I would love to be able to code because I would have some interesting ideas I would work on, however currently I do think the traid off is to big for me to have an expertise in this very narrow area. Therefore my current focus is set on marketing and copy writing and value creation in areas I can aquire the knowledge faster or have it already.

The only thing I'm sure about is, that if you want to partner up with someone that can code, it's better to know this person very well and be prepared for a bumpy ride. I wouldn't consider hiring, except if you have deep pockets for a programmer and an consultant as well which can help you from time to time to navigate the issues that come up with hiring someone for something you don't understand.

 

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[AnNvr]

ChatGPT already destroyed this whole thread.

While it seems that generated lines of code still require human rectification to be functional in a specific context, the majority of copyrighting skills are literally finished to the trash bin.

 

[TheWalker]

Currently I wouldn't say so. It will become better and it will get there, but then it does the same with code. Maybe for headlines or single sentences whoch need to be attention grabbing yes but entire bodies or longer text etc. Does still lack emotions and a clear lead through the text.

I think to understand the targeted audience, get down do their needs, struggles, expectations and ultimately their desires it is still required to have a human brain with empathy to see through your customers glasses.

 

[Red.P-901]

There are plenty of other ways around that!

Can you expand on that ?

 

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[DCG]

Thanks for posting this, I can't agree more!

I always cringe when people write that they want to learn how to code. Its not worth it. It takes too long and as soon as you learned the basics there are 1000 things that changed on the technology side. Learn marketing and sales. Use your time to find a need. Don't learn to program if you want to be an entrepreneur. Even the great entrepreneurs in technology only coded the first prototype themselves and then let the specialists take over.

That said, I think every internet/technology entrepreneur should know about the basic technologies that his business is based on. The people wanting to start an ecommerce empire without knowing how to set up a site themselves are just as bad as the guys wanting to learn programming. This is also vital if you're eventually outsourcing/hiring for the technology/programming part, you won't get what you want/need if you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

I'm going to be real with you, I'm currently learning code and I'm beginning to think that you are right

 

[AnNvr]

I'm going to be real with you, I'm currently learning code and I'm beginning to think that you are right

The thing is this: coding needs a purpose. Are you coding for something you aim to build, or you are doing a bootcamp just because it's a marketable skill? Because the same principles apply to copywriting, why are you learning it for? If it's just to learn it and then deploy it on something you don't know yet, then the comparison has no place to be. Again, and I said this before, I found this whole thread rowing against the principles delivered from the author in the book...but people love copywrighting because it's easier than learning code and can provide quicker bucks, so whatever.

 

[Isaac Odongo]

I still don't understand why people here want to learn to code!

Spend that time learning to market and write sales copy. Spending 1000 hours to learn to code to spend 200 hours writing an app is STUPID.

Spend the 1000 hours learning to market and write copy, and you can use that skill for the life of the app, plus the life of the next app, and other peoples apps AND it makes you money. Writing code just means you have something, but it won't sell itself.

Here is how it will work if you learn to code:
1000 hours learning to code.
200 hours writing an app.
wait for a sale, wait some more, wait some more.
Spend 1000 hours learning to market and write copy.
sell some of your app
spend 150 hours fixing bugs and responding to support issues because your app is crap because it takes 5000 hours to really learn how to code.
get frustrated and yank your app because of the PITA factor and all the bad reviews of your app.


Learn to market and write copy:
1000 hours learning to market and write code, while that 1000 hours is going on, pay someone that has 10,000 hours of training on apps to write your app.
Start marketing your app immediately.
Sell lots of your app.
Pass any support issues to the developer
Sell lots more of your app.
Create 3 more apps and market the hell out of them
Go to the bank often to deposit checks.

Do you SEE the difference????

Hey!!!!
I see the difference.
I can't imagine when I will ever be able to learn to code everything on an app I believe may make tons.
THANKS HUGE MAN

 

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[DCG]

The thing is this: coding needs a purpose. Are you coding for something you aim to build, or you are doing a bootcamp just because it's a marketable skill? Because the same principles apply to copywriting, why are you learning it for? If it's just to learn it and then deploy it on something you don't know yet, then the comparison has no place to be. Again, and I said this before, I found this whole thread rowing against the principles delivered from the author in the book...but people love copywrighting because it's easier than learning code and can provide quicker bucks, so whatever.

That is a good point, I learned to code so I can be able to make websites for people because I know it is in demand and will be in demand for a while

 

[Djo]

The thing is this: coding needs a purpose. Are you coding for something you aim to build, or you are doing a bootcamp just because it's a marketable skill? Because the same principles apply to copywriting, why are you learning it for? If it's just to learn it and then deploy it on something you don't know yet, then the comparison has no place to be. Again, and I said this before, I found this whole thread rowing against the principles delivered from the author in the book...but people love copywrighting because it's easier than learning code and can provide quicker bucks, so whatever.

Exactly. You don't know what to know until you need to know it. If learning how to code is a necessary step in starting your business, then learn it, however I think today that there are tools that will do the work for you. You can use the Nocode tools out there to make your app or website.

 

[AnNvr]

Exactly. You don't know what to know until you need to know it. If learning how to code is a necessary step in starting your business, then learn it, however I think today that there are tools that will do the work for you. You can use the Nocode tools out there to make your app or website.

It all depends what you need to do.

I do not see a credit card processing company relying on Nocode tools to build their database.. but if you run an eCommerce selling t-shirts and you need it today, on cheap and with SEO tools incorporated that even a Golden Retriever can understand, Nocode tools fit your need.

Point in debate was: this thread is silly (imho) because annihilates a skill making room to another. Instead, the combination of both bring you a skillset that won't die any time soon. And of course, it depends what you are aiming to do.

 

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[Djo]

It all depends what you need to do.

I do not see a credit card processing company relying on Nocode tools to build their database.. but if you run an eCommerce selling t-shirts and you need it today, on cheap and with SEO tools incorporated that even a Golden Retriever can understand, Nocode tools fit your need.

Point in debate was: this thread is silly (imho) because annihilates a skill making room to another. Instead, the combination of both bring you a skillset that won't die any time soon. And of course, it depends what you are aiming to do.

Great point. You'll be forever looked for if you know coding and sales, ofc when you know how to sell yourself.

 

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