Tony Robbins Fans? Unleash the Power?

[Choate]

I received Money: Master the Game from a relative for Christmas a year or two ago who know's of my desire to take a separate path. I got a chapter or two in and just can't do it. The book is essentially "The Slowlaner's Bible". I am not writing it off, and I am sure it is a sound book for the right audience. I can see it being a necessary read for a few different types of people. Someone who is essentially new to managing their finances, or fresh out of college and into a corporate job, or someone who is struggling with loan/debt and budgeting.

When I open to a random page and it is regurgitating advice about "investing early leads to bigger payoffs later" and all variances of that for 650 pages along with some motivation, it is not something that's going to benefit me now or in the long haul.

 

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KNAWLEGE

 

[Kung Fu Steve]

In other words, what he discusses in his latest book is NOT how he got rich.

Sorry, but it screams a paradox of practice... the age-old, do as I say, don't do as I do. (And sorry, Icahn, Buffet, et. al. are all activist investors, they have absolutely ZERO in common with the Joe-Blow eTrade investor who buys 100 shares of stock.)

I've been always a big fan of Tony, not so much anymore. I pretty much expose the hypocrisy in my next book as well, you ain't gonna like it.

Aside from his latest Slowlane shilling junket, his early books are definitely worth the read.

You know me. I believe everyone can and SHOULD become an entrepreneur. Blows my mind more people don't see it (my own belief systems) -- and that path laid out in MMG (clarifying: 401k investing outside of tax structuring here in the U.S.) is not my path -- nor has it ever been a part of my plan.

And you also know there's nothing you can say that would offend me

I'm not defending the idea by any means but I do see some things behind the scenes that others aren't privy to. The intentions behind the books, the company surrounding it, the ultimate goals, and what he's trying to accomplish. And Id definitely say it's not as black and white as it might seem... (that's probably a much bigger conversation had over a drink)

But I think there's very few people like you and I who've read all of Suze Orman's stuff, Ramsey's stuff, and the dozens and dozens of others out there and understand their point of view well enough to debate it properly.

Hell, I'd probably argue most people commenting on this thread know nothing about Tony. Haven't read a single book of his, have never attended a seminar, never listened to an audio they just repeat a belief system they heard from someone else.

In my humble opinion I think the key distinction or difference is that just because I don't always agree doesn't mean I don't educate myself on their point of view -- not that you don't -- but there are many people in the community who are missing this point.

 

[V8Bill]

Hell, I'd probably argue most people commenting on this thread know nothing about Tony. Haven't read a single book of his, have never attended a seminar, never listened to an audio they just repeat a belief system they heard from someone else.

I'd say that if I had to cut my life into two at the most pivotal moment it'd be before GTE (Get The Edge) and after GTE. I'm a totally different person post GTE. Add a fire-walk experience (doing the "impossible") and I had no excuses left after that. I use "ask a better question" daily. As soon as I start to complain it's almost always something Robbo said to me that brings me back. I can change or do anything if it's important enough to me and the way I think can make it easier or tougher. I mostly get disheartened at myself these days - not in what happens to me. That's all 100% Robbo.

I guess I'm kind of glad I haven't read his latest Books on money in a way. He's not my ultimate muse in that area so I'd prefer to stick to the mindset stuff and look elsewhere for faster money thinking. [waving]

Here's a picture I look at when I hear myself whining with excuses or feeling sorry for myself... It sobers me up immediately and I know exactly what he's thinking with this look and how much better he knows I am than my last dumb thought.

 

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[jlwilliams]

I haven't read the new books so maybe I'm not seeing the complete picture, but what I have read of Tony's in the past and the audio CDs I'm listening to now have been nothing but good.

 

[MarekvBeek]

Disclaimer: I'm the national trainer for Tony these days. I work directly for him -- however -- my opinions are my own and in no way reflect RRI, Tony Robbins Companies, or Banana-Hands himself.

It seems the only thing the younger generation knows about Tony Robbins these days is his two new books; Money Master the Game and Unshakeable.

It's fair because he hasn't written a book in 20 years and now here he comes out with 2 in a year and both are on finances, investing, and retirement accounts... and now I hear nothing but "oh yeah that's that financial guru guy" ... when nothing could be further from the truth...

In my humble opinion Unlimited Power and Awaken The Giant Within are mandatory reading for anyone trying to achieve their dreams.

To simply say "he has a broad market" and "he teaches finances and motivation" is so far off the mark it's crazy. What Tony is better at than pretty much anyone else on the planet is human psychology.

• He was one of the first students of Richard Bandler and John Grinder (the founders of NLP)
• he studied with Milton Erickson (probably the greatest hypnotherapist of all time)
• he studied (and still studies with) Chloe Madanes who is the best family therapist in the world.

But the skills he picked up over the past 40 years which he now coins 'Neuro-Associative Conditioning' and '6 Human Needs Psychology' transformed the way we think about human behavior and psychology (actually any licensed therapist, psychologist, or psychiatrist can receive CE credits for studying Tony's work).

But here's the genius of what came out of that. Those skills ended up translating into every area of life. Business, leadership, relationships, fitness, athletics, and, of course, finance.

BECAUSE... There's only two things you and I ever want to do in every single one of those areas: change the way FEEL about it or how we BEHAVE.

What he teaches (and I guess nowadays, what I teach by proxy) is that we have these driving forces in our lives; emotional states and belief systems. How you FEEL in any given moment determines your thoughts, which determines your actions, and therefore your results.... that cycle is usually completed by the fact your results often determine how you feel...

Belief systems themselves guide WHICH actions you're willing to take or not take. All day every day on this forum (and everywhere else in the world) you are hearing nonstop belief systems:

"I can't do that because... (insert belief system)"
"you can't do that because people would never... (insert belief system)"
"That business would never work because (insert belief system)"
"You must go fastlane/slowlane/sidewalk/carthweel because (insert belief system)"

And whose belief systems are ultimately right? Our own, of course. No reason to believe anybody elses' because those belief systems are stupid -- and I can prove that to you because .... (insert belief system).

It's never time, money, people, resources -- it's how we THINK about those things.

Anyways... this is already turning into a much bigger reply than I intended... I'm picking up this "talking too much" thing from Tony I guess... or maybe I always had it...

On Tony:

Here's a little promo I use these days to explain who he is from when he spoke at dream force again a couple months ago.

Literally name a name. Anyone you can dream of, someone you look up to, someone you admire -- someone at the top of their game? They've more than likely been coached by this man. 4 out of the last 5 American presidents, icons of our time, entertainers, athletes, business people, etc. etc. etc.

Pitbull was in San Jose again last time, stood up, did a concert for us right then and there and told his Tony Robbins story. Gerard Butler was sitting in front of our group there, too. Tom Ferry. I mean honestly name a name and I can probably pull up a testimonial for them unless they were a private client of Tony's. Then I can't and won't reveal.

On the Investment world and Tony:

Before I say anything about investing -- everyone in this community has a huge stigma tied to any "financial guru" out there. I am a part of this community and I share that same thing. Giving advice that you don't follow rubs me the wrong way. There's many of them out there.

If you think Tony is making any money off of either Money Master the Game or Unshakeable you would be dead wrong. 100% of the proceeds are going to Feeding America and Tony is literally writing checks personally to match funds.

If you think Tony is making money off seminars -- you'd also be wrong. That may have been true 20 years ago but these days with 32 companies and 6 billion in annual revenues the seminar business has been estimated to be about 1-3% of that (from my understanding). A large portion of the money from UPW and the other events also go towards Feeding America with Tony once again writing matching checks.

The dude's seriously all heart.

How'd he get so wealthy?

What started as books and seminars, turned into private coaching, consulting, business deals. If you read the Money: Master the Game book you'll quickly learn he has personally coached the top 50 financial traders in the world for the past 20 years. Warren Buffet, Ray Dalio, Paul Tudor Jones, Carl Ichann.

Hell -- Rothschild's family money manager is also a client of his.

The seminars, the books, the media tours -- all of this is his JOB. What he does for his PASSION.

What he does for money is a completely different story. 'Fastlane' all the way.

As MJ points out -- once you've accumulated the wealth, there's a new game to be played.

On Money: Master the Game:

The book is massive and it is a great read. Some tools you'll take and run with, other's you'll pass on. The first 1/3rd really is about dealing with your emotional problems around money. Your habits and beliefs around it.

Funny enough, most people on this forum would never save 10% of their income because they think they should "invest it immediately" ... except their thought of "investing" ends up being buying more and more education without ever acting on it. Not pointing fingers because I've done the same thing.

Personally, I didn't have the discipline to do it because my belief system was "I can always make it back" -- which was and still is true. In fact, 3 fortunes have come and gone because of my lack of financial discipline. No I don't buy into the idea I should invest in a 401k (because it doesn't fit my goals) -- however my financial discipline these days is so much better because I buckled down and said "this is my goal and I'm sticking to my plan" -- long story short. Read the damn book and do your research before you shout out your belief systems... or B.S. for short...

Thank you! That is such a kind answer.

I did read Tony's three books Unlimited Power, Awaken The Giant Within and Money: Master The Game. The latter moved me to buy a ticket to his UPW seminar. And the experience whas truly amazing.

But the book whas more just a motivation for me to create my own life. It wasn't that I wanted to read another book about finances of Tony Robbins.

O yeah, and what really stucked me was the principle of "seasons". (Life/Business has seasons, just like nature has)

So my guess would be: do you want a finance book? Buy it. Want a business book? Read TMF /UNSCRIPTED

 

[GMSI7D]

The GROUP RITUALS they have never been much of that effect.

A friend of mine tried something like that and he said the exact same things by Mj.

Robbins 'a specialist in selling the EVENT and and' he who makes mental reinforcement and not just applying his PROCESS.

i see tony robbins work as entertainment. the true value for me is the early tony Robbins character of the 80's.

his mentor was Jim Rohn, a business philosopher. Tony understood the power of Jim Rohn's advice called "the day that turns your life around."

Walking on the beach as a young adult with no future , Tony said to himself " enough is enough"

then he went home to start his new life

this is the only thing that matters for me in the Tony Robbins story

not the 30 years of business selling motivational stuff.

but the "enough is enough" said on the beach. this is unbelievable

it is more valuable than the next 30 years of business because all start from this

 

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[JasonR]

Has anyone here been to his seminar: Unleash the Power?

If not, is anyone interested in going? There is one in San Jose, CA on June 26-29th
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You already know many people who have gone. What's stopping you from going? $500 for a lifetime of potential value is an absolute no brainer. Not to mention the TR Crew will refund you if you got nothing out of it.

I went, personally, on @Kung Fu Steve 's recommendation and found it very personally rewarding. I skipped a couple days of upsell BS, but the days Tony speaks are very amazing. I went in knowing almost nothing about Tony Robbins.

That being said, it's probably not for everyone. I am already on my "Fastlane" path, and it inspired me that I reach new heights I hadn't thought possible.

Just go.

 

[PedroG]

There's a UPW event happening in New York starting July 20th. I was gonna go except that's when I'll be going on vacation with the family.

I read "Awaken the Giant Within" and I'm reading "Personal Power" now. I didn't know much about Robbins before. Now I'm telling almost everyone I know of the value in these two books.

One thing I didn't see anyone mention in this thread is the fact that what he teaches can also help in understanding others, not just yourself, meaning the information you learn, you can use to understand your potential customers.

The better you understand your customers, what their values and beliefs are, the better the chance that you'll be able to break their beliefs down that could prevent them from buying your products. The use of questions to poke holes in belief systems, for example, can be used in your marketing.

And if you understand their top values, then you know what to focus on as you sell to them.

I have no interest in reading his money books, but his mindset stuff is fantastic!

 

[Kung Fu Steve]

We're almost sold out for UPW Newark.

I'm prepping for UPW Florida right now.

November 9-12.

 

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[PedroG]

We're almost sold out for UPW Newark.

I'm prepping for UPW Florida right now.

November 9-12.

I didn't see the Florida one listed on his site.

 

[ravenspear]

I'm a huge fan of Tony and I've been to the UPW event and it was awesome imo.

I just saw him again today at a day event in Atlanta with Gary V.

I will agree that the practical advice he dispenses about finance is slowlane but like Steve said his primary message is really more base level than that and it's all about psychology, emotions, designing a life blueprint, and putting yourself in a peak state for success.

 

[Nekoemon]

Hello Guys,
Maybe I'm wrong, but I have the impression he don't really talk about the same Mindset as FASTLANE (money quick, etc..)
I read by him many times councils about investments, long-term, etc.... and this term dosen't sound good to my ears.

Robbins' best skill, in my opinion, is to make NLP practical to use for anybody who doesn't want to struggle with over-technical readings. His stragtegies can be powerful if you use them a way that goes in the direction of your aspirations. This being said, his financial advices themselves are between the Slowlane and the Fastlane. Let's say they're a Slowlane without speed limit, if it makes any sense.

And do you think his new book UNSHEAKABLE worth the read ???

I just listened to the audio version and once again it's still full of good ideas. It's complementary to the Fastlane, but can't replace it.

 

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[Sean Kaye]

Ewwww... NLP.

That's utter bullshit, am I right or am I right?

Yuck...

 

[Kung Fu Steve]

I didn't see the Florida one listed on his site.

We're not open for enrollments yet... officially, at least

 

[STswiss]

My first Tony Robbins experience was reading his early days books. I like reading his old day books still or listening to the audio books.

In January 2017 I went to his Business Mastery event in Florida. There were 2'000 souls, and the event was five days. From my point of view, I had a few AHA moments. Was it worth the money? I think it was, depends on how you value the takeaways.

As a guy from Switzerland, I went to the States mainly because I believe that people in the US are much more outgoing and I wanted the full experience. And yes, the event was crazy! Anyways after day three of dancing and rubbing each other backs I preferred to go to the beach instead of staying there and to come back later. There is nothing wrong with upsells or keeping the crowd in a peak state, but after many talks at the Hotel bar, I realized that a part of the people is simply action faking. If you spend money (75k$ a year) for the Platinum Partnership and visit every event, by being not really in any business than keeping an eye at your parent's heritage, there is nothing I admire about that. I am just very picky when it comes to what people I surround myself with.

On the other hand, you will find many Fastlane Entrepreneurs at an event like this. This is where you will find the real value from an event like this. Tony and the Fastlaners will share so much of their experience and energy with you, what made it an extraordinary life experience to me. You will end up in the Hotel Lobby working till early morning hours with people you never met before.

Yes, there is a paradox of practice. He did seminars before anything else. But to be fair, you also have to see that he did not do seminars in his early days on "how to get rich." He did seminars and wrote books on how to get the best out of yourself. The paradox of practice comes with his two new books, and I think he switched his expertise in a not very senseful way. I mean if you hear him talking and if you read those books, you will know that he has not a real clue about money. People he is coaching, they have. He has access to those people but not the expertise to write books in those fields. And this is absolutely ok, simply don't do it...

I like him for that what he helped me with when it comes to motivation. I did the hour of power for weeks, and he made a difference in my life. Now he tries to satisfy everybody in the world, but his good is not ice cream

 

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[Nekoemon]

Ewwww... NLP.

That's utter bullshit, am I right or am I right?

No. NLP is nothing else than putting words on behaviours that exist... since human is on Earth.
Eg: Reframing is nothing else than see an event under another perspective ;
Modelling is what babies do with their parents, what a student does with a teacher, what an apprentice does with a master ;
Mirroring is what people do naturally, etc...
It can become utter bullshit if sold as the solution of all the world's problems to desperate or naive souls. But so is the Fastlance.
Used wisely and it's a powerful tool.

 

[The Abundant Man]

It's an emotional high but eventually there's the comedown.

 

[V8Bill]

It's an emotional high but eventually there's the comedown.

...Which (unless you're retarded) will leave you higher than before.

A truth is a truth and there's always an initial excitement when you discover a new truth as it's a wonderful thing but you'll always have the elevation as it raises you to a new understanding of a better way to think or behave.

 

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[Bearcorp]

Tony streamed his interview with Dana White at this past weekends Business Mastery in Las Vegas, the video is on his facebook page. An hour full of value bombs, highly recommend watching it for those interested in someone that went from a bell boy to the president of one of the worlds biggest brands.

 

[Zest]

I like to ask myself: if Tony was short, pudgy, had a weak voice, and was balding, would he be as successful? In other words, if he looked NOTHING like the father figure most people would have loved in their life, would he be successful?

I try to stay away from teachers with an overly charismatic guru-like aura.

The only book of his I've read is Unshakable and that's not fastlane.

 

[Sanj Modha]

I'm a big TR fan. Everything he says makes sense to me.

Unshakeable is my next book to read.

 

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[rogue synthetic]

It's interesting to read this thread because in the skeptical posters I see so much of myself 10 or even 5 years ago.

A switch flipped in me a couple of years ago and instead of outright condemning everything as charlatanry, I decided to give everything a fair shake. To see for myself before figuring I had it all figured out.

There's plenty of guru-dom to go around in the self-help space, no denying that part. Everything from outright cranks peddling fringe voodoo, on up to lay-folk who have just enough exposure to pop-psychology to not realize that they don't know very much at all.

That fact doesn't mean that there isn't also something to learn from the practitioners. The secret is to learn how to separate the parts from the whole. Use what's useful and ignore the rest. Separate your sense of valuable from the novel. The most important things often lie in repetition, or in seeing the same thing in new ways.

The first step for me was Maxwell Maltz's Psycho-cybernetics, a book I still refer back to. I've only recently gotten into TR, and from him into Jim Rohn and Napoleon Hill and that side of the tracks.

I won't lie, I still have to fight my inner critic sometimes. But what matters most is the results. I'm an entirely different person now than I was 18 months ago. And that's an on-going process. I've *been better* -- not felt, measurably improved -- in the last 2 months than in the last 5 years.

No argument will convince a skeptic, which is why I don't argue with skeptics (or anyone else). Arguments, online especially, have a whole lot more to do with ego and identity and framing than with a fair exchange of ideas on merit.

I'm not trying to convince anyone. All I can say is this. Me in 2013 would have scoffed with the best of the scoffers. Me, right now posting this, is sold.

You don't have to drop thousands on the next Tony Robbins seminar. But there is more to his ideas than smoke and mirrors. It is no exaggeration when I say this is life-changing stuff if you give it an honest shake. If you've decided it's garbage because you already know everything, are you surprised when it doesn't work? Evidently some people are.

It's worth having a think about how a skeptical attitude might otherwise influence your outcomes. I know I thought I was putting Truth above everything else... and it turns out I was just being a cynical jackass, which explained a WHOLE LOT of my life-outcomes.

Your mileage may vary, of course.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

The only book of his I've read is Unshakable and that's not fastlane.

His early book, Awaken the Giant Within is really good for some psychological perspectives. It's an old book, but it is transcendent, and still relevant today.

 

[MTEE1985]

I’m literally listening to his podcast as I see this thread. It’s about providing massive value first and letting the market reward you later.

As mentioned above, with the vast amount of knowledge and material he has put out over the years everybody will find something they disagree with. (Cough cough “money, master the game” cough)

Don’t discount all of the good material available from him. Lots of it is free.

If you have 7 minutes I’d challenge you to watch the below video and not be inspired to get some sh*t done.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_S8QtLR-gZs

 

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[GoGetter24]

I like to ask myself: if Tony was short, pudgy, had a weak voice, and was balding, would he be as successful? In other words, if he looked NOTHING like the father figure most people would have loved in their life, would he be successful?

I try to stay away from teachers with an overly charismatic guru-like aura.

The only book of his I've read is Unshakable and that's not fastlane.

Exactly.

A lot of his followers go to his events every year.

OK retards, tell me this: if his stuff caused such transformation, why do you need to do it every year?

Because it's for consumption, not production.

 

[Kung Fu Steve]

Exactly.

A lot of his followers go to his events every year.

OK retards

Language.

tell me this: if his stuff caused such transformation, why do you need to do it every year?

Because it's for consumption, not production.

This thread is FASCINATING to me. I run into this day in and day out in my meetings. From the stage, in an office, on the phone -- it never ceases to amaze me the utter violence at which people object to something that might improve them.

But let me pose a question: if there's something who is insanely more successful in ANY area... instead of calling them names, maybe it makes sense to ask them HOW and WHY they do what they do?

We all have 24 hours... 99% of successful entrepreneurs weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouth... then why is it some people make it happen... and others don't?

Aren't you interested in learning those answers?

If you were to ask me (which you didn't) why I go to Tony's events over and over in addition to basically every marketing conference I can get to and every top coach I can get my hands on is because of this idea called "sharpening the saw"

(That's from a book called the 7 habits of highly successful people... which I have read multiple times... and each time it created a new transformation in some area of my life)

But why don't you ask a Tim Ferris, Oprah Winfrey, Michael Jordan, Usher, Pitbull, Marc Benihofff, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, T Boone Pickens, or any other number of successful entrepreneurs why would THEY go to an event (tony or others) again and again?

Sure... they might be retarded... or maybe they know something you don't?

I'm not picking on you -- I'm just posing a question. Is it POSSIBLE there's something there that you've never experienced?

 

[MTEE1985]

“Oh man, The Millionaire Fastlane was such a good book and I learned so much from it that I’m never going to read it again”

-No one ever

 

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[Bearcorp]

Exactly.

A lot of his followers go to his events every year.

OK retards, tell me this: if his stuff caused such transformation, why do you need to do it every year?

Because it's for consumption, not production.

 

[lludwig]

I've been following Tony's work since 1991. I've read all his books, done his CDs, gone to an event which he was part of in 2000, UPW, and Business Mastery. Hell I bought his regular audio cassettes "podcasts" before there was such a thing as a podcast.

I've even interviewed him.

The Financial Disruptor - My Interview With Tony Robbins

I know a lot about his history. He's always on and pretty much what you see is what you get.

I've always had a love/hate relationship with him. Like MJ says in Unscripted he certainly didn't make his millions via the Slow Lane. There are definitely things I don't agree with him on which is fine and also fine with him BTW. But there are also many things he is right on target about and has the ability to simplify complex things which a mass audience can digest.

If you are looking to optimize your life, he's the master optimizer.

He's probably one of the best modern-day speakers and would recommend to seeing him in person at least once. He is perhaps one of the best salespeople you'll ever meet as well.

His events are like nothing else you've even been too. It's a combination of a sales presentation, religious awaking and rock concert all rolled into one.

The way they are executed are awesome and you can gather so much business ideas from the events themselves. Though realize Tony not only discusses how to better yourself, he uses the same techniques on you to upsell you other events/services. He's a master at NLP and nothing is done by accident in his events.

My recommendation is at least listen to his CDs and if you have the means go to at least UPW.

Don't just listen to what he says but more importantly interact with others in the event, go all out, and keep executing after the event is done.

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