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    Very rarely have I found good advice from people intentionally giving them out. Coaches and Gurus making a living of off motivating and teaching how to make money, and charging for it? That eliminates credibility on the spot. IMHO. Over time, I've found that I get the best lessons from biographies. Reading between the lines, seeing how people make decisions and why... For example, I'm finishing "The Store of Everything" which tells Amazon and Bezos' story... fascinating how the guy left a "decent" job in NY to pursue this project... how his wife supported him, the different challenges and roadblocks he encountered... resilience, persistence, anger, grind... it's all here... Elon Musk from Ashlee Vance is another one... so on and so forth.
     
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    Have you read Shoe Dog by Phil Knight (The Creator of Nike)? It’s one of my favorite biographies.
     
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    Thanks! I haven't read it nor heard of it. I can use a non-tech related biography. Thanks for sharing!!

    Hopefully you and other can share other ones. I'd like to share also:
    - Steve Jobs by Isaacson
    - The Innovators by Isaacson
    - Alberto Einstein by Isaacson


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    When I started out by reading Kiyosaki's stuff, I was on track to go into his rabbit hole.

    However, I came to realize nothing was happening, months after I read all the books.

    But there was one piece of advice Kiyosaki said in his RDPD book:

    'Go out and join like-minded people who want to escape the Rat Race. Join meetings and read more books of similar themes. Educate yourself.'

    Kiyosaki was basically telling me that getting wealthy didn't stop with his advice alone. There was more to it.

    So I eventually explored and found my way here.

    It may be the same way with Tony Robbins. Self-development doesn't stop and finish with him.

    In that sense, Kiyosaki did me some good, after all! :smile:

    Great points!

    Don't think attending a Robbins event, or similar ones for that matter, is 100% silly.

    I feel that sometimes, if we want to learn a marketable skill or industry, we need to use similar products.

    In my case, I could quickly understand some of the tenets of copywriting, sales and persuasion because at the young age of 15 or 16, I attended a study camp by Adam Khoo from Singapore, who's affiliated with Tony Buzan.

    From the free seminar, to the vocal cues and speech patterns of the trainers, the many 'rituals' in the study camp (e.g. balancing on a thin rope shaken by two rough coaches instead of a firewalk lol), there was so much to observe.

    I tried implementing a few of them back in school, whenever I had to do presentations.

    My friends just laughed. I didn't get to know the full picture of how it's supposed to work until these few years.

    While I don't endorse going to seminars to learn how to have a seminar business (unless you are doing copywriting for gurus hahaha- one actually asked me to come to one of his free seminars to learn the product before writing sales copy), many skills like deal-making and team management might very well come from such places.
     
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    You can learn something from all these gurus , I'm not familiar with Tony but I have analyzed others like Grant Cardone, Dave Ramsey, etc.

    The goal for me with any guru is to analyze what they say, never pay directly for anything, and learn from the selling/marketing/processes they use to get people to hand over money or influence you. The sophistication of some these guys like Cardone is pretty complex when it comes to selling, it may seem simple and even dumb at times but there is a very clear process going in the background setting you up for the buy. That's valuable information to know, once you are aware of the existence of the background underlying process you can make more informed decisions.

    Also not everyone is at the Fastlane level or even wants to be Fastlane even if they know about it. These guys to do provide good value to those individuals, most people don't want to hear that they have to engage in a process that will require hard work/commitment crazy hours/confronting fears/childhood issues, etc. That's a very hard F*cking sell, it only applies to a very small part of the population.

    Take the good from them, leave/ignore the bad.
     
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    Telling a 19 year old to save his/her money is good advice. Compound interest is a good thing, especially for the average person who will be a lifelong employee by choice.

    Even for the entrepreneur it's a good idea to save money...

    Give the T man a break. He's just a dude that has to talk a lot and sometimes says shit that might not align with the fastlane doctrine.

    The cool thing about being awakened is that we can hear about compound interest and understand that there are better vehicles to wealth..

    The sad truth is that not only will 99.9% of people that hear Tony talk about compound interest wealth generation not ever find a better wealth vehicle than working a slowlane job, but most of them won't even save enough to take advantage of compound interest.
     
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    Not for anything MJ, not everyone wants to own a business. Yes, you can say they are limiting themselves but meh who are we to say.

    In fact, the socialist Millenials, on the whole, want nothing to do with owning a business. It could be they hate Capitalism or realize the work involved to start a business. Less new business formation is occurring than 10 years ago.

    While the MSM make entrepreneurship sexy and others look up to the "rugged individual", not everyone wants to climb that wall. I can respect that.

    So what other options do they have then???

    Even at the Tony Robbins events I've gone to, not all have aspirations of starting a business.

    Some just want to lose 15 lbs., establish a better relationship with their spouse, or have a better outlook on life. It's not necessarily money as the primary focus.

    Related to Tony's investment advice, is the FIRE movement. It's nuts to think individuals wanting to quit working before they really hit their peak earning years.

    Just like FIRE, most individuals are seeking the stock market as the easy way out to their "nirvana". To each their own.

    Though with the 10-year bull market, they will sadly be mistaken.

    The next 10 years more than likely won't be as easy as the past 10. Things need to return to the norm with returns and overdue for a correction. I expect muted returns.

    Tony's statements are technically correct about markets and returns. Though to your point, the interest rate scam is the realistic view of how real returns are created and the loss of control when investing in the stock market.

    Tony is appealing to the individuals who want to go the traditional route for getting what they define as being "rich". Even though he himself didn't do it that way.

    On the whole, the individuals who take Tony's advice will be better off than their previous route. Even though we (this forum) may think of it as a very shitty life path and haven't awakened their giant from within.
     
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    Tony Robbins caters to an audience and I can say with 100% honesty - reading his early material has changed my life because he made me see different perspectives.

    Ray Dalio said something interesting: "The only way you can test your beliefs if is you talk/listen to someone who believes in the opposite".

    I personally think Gary Vee and Grant Cardone are cringeworthy and that's totally fine by me. They give me validation for my belief systems.
     
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    Just because someone spouts something you disagree with doesn't make them a sellout or a con man. For the average, scripted person, investing is a tool to grow your money. If done correctly, it works just very slowly. Someone cut not everyone out for the fast lane life nor does everyone want it. There are hundreds of millions of people in this world who are perfectly satisfied working a job, investing their money and retiring like the average person does. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, those people are needed to make society to work. If not, who is going to provide key services like picking up trash or being a nurse?

    Just because Tony didnt grow his wealth that way doesnt make him a hypocrite. Its because he is absolutely right. Most people arent going to be able to grow wealth any other way. Bill Billicheck was a shitty football player who never sniffed the NFL. Does it make him a sell out or hypocrite to coach a team to multiple Super Bowls using playing methods he was never capable of doing as a player? Some of the best teachers and coaches in the world are very poor at execution or used different methods in their life. You dont have to do something to teach it.
     
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    "The world needs ditch diggers too!"

     
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    We need to view TR for what he is: a man whose goal is to inspire the masses in the most generalized way possible. His advice can be summed up as, "hey, maybe if you want money, you should save it. Most of us won't have the drive to be entrepreneurs, but it's super simple to give money to invest..so like, I don't know, try it?"
     
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    Yes, he sold out but not all of his ideas are ludicrous! The comments that you have pointed out are saddening to hear but I still give Tony some credit for helping me change my mindset (& improve my communication skills with others) way back before I discovered The Millionaire Fastlane.

    Just because he shows a clear paradox of practice here, does that make him a bad guy? :smile2:
     
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    This.

    Tony Robbins is respected by the biggest traders, investors and hedge fund managers in the world. People Jack Bogle, Ray Dalio, Paul Tudor, and Warren Buffet - they wouldn't give him time of day if they didn't respect him.

    Also, the profits from his last book went to his Feeding America charity. All 100% of it.
     
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    Yes, this was me as well. Still in the Navy at the time, wondering what I'd do when the country was done with me. There on the shelf was RDPD. It opened my mind to other possibilities. Fast forward to now and I'm smarter. Would I have still headed down this road had I not read RDPD? Hard to say. But I'm damned glad I found TMF and UNSCRIPTED. I only wish I had found them first.
     
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    I read Money: Master the Game by tony robbins. After I read, i was so motivated to invest into the wall street. And, I opened a brokerage account and invested $$.

    After a few weeks, I started reading other finance books such as Dave Ramsey, Ramit sethi "I will teach you to be rich". Actually, Ramit book's title should be "I will sell this book to be rich" LOL!

    Those books are same shit - giving misleading information to achieve financial freedom by save and hope for 50 years.

    "The Millionaire fast lane" and "Unscripted" are the books which completely change my mindset.

    In real life, people hate the people who are telling the unpleasant true facts. They love people who are telling the comfort lies.
     
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    J-FN-C, In light of the responses here, it's clear I can't disagree with someone's actions or advice (especially the Cult of Robbins) without being lumped in with a whole slew of other strawman arguments that I never made.
    • I never said he hasn't helped millions (hell, I was one of them.)
    • I never said he was a scammer or a bad guy.
    • I never "called anyone out"
    • I never said his exhaustive resume of accomplishments/businesses/book sales was somehow unimpressive, or something to be ignored
    • I never said that "saving money" is ridiculous -- I purport the same thing, just for different purposes.
    • I never said that investing is ridiculous.
    • I never said his body of work, programs, businesses had no merit.
    • I never said his charity work had no merit.
    • I never said Tony Robbins' (and by association, Kung Fu Steve) followers where fools. (I believe someone else said that)
    I view his recent lane-change and sell-out into mainstream financial dogma hypocritical and duplicitous.

    Simple statement, simple opinion.

    Not everyone will agree with it, just like not everyone agrees with what I wrote in my own work.

    Clearly the market for average advice targeted to an average audience is much larger than people open to entrepreneurship. So I understand the move; why target an audience that might represent 7% of the population when you can target 100% of it?

    Noah Kagan walked out on Tony Robbins:

    Why I Walked Out on Tony Robbins
    (I didn't read the comments there but I wonder if he was crucified for it?)

    I'm walking out on Tony's financial advice, so I'm a bit confused on the reaction here.

    Obviously the comment on his follower's being fools doesn't deserve any play, but that seems to be what folks are gravitating to as the central theme of this thread. Some took it personally. Others used it to extrapolate that opinion to the forum itself. Clearly that isn't so.

    That said, will I buy anything Tony Robbins related to financial matters? No.

    Will I buy something from him related to business building, motivational psychology, breaking mental barriers, etc.? Maybe.

    Three weeks ago I did a podcast (before this thread) and was asked to recommend a book for people struggling. I recommended Awaken The Giant Within. If I thought he was a scammer or a "bad guy" (or had no value) why on earth would I do that?

    I'm tired of having one statement of opinion...

    raked over the coals as if I'm calling his followers idiots, fools, or whatever. Or as if that opinion represents the entirety of the forum. It's my opinion, and mine only. Some agree, some don't, some are in between.

    But Tony helped me!!!! Yea? He helped me too!!!! We can scream and do a power slap together!

    Thread closed for I fear by next week someone will imply that the forum has video of TR with underage girls, causing more pearl clutching, more finger-pointing, and more resume reiteration.

    That still isn't a bad idea. TR and I just disagree on its purposes. But for life long Slowlaners, there's nothing else unless they win the lottery or get paid a CEO salary.
     
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