Can you add too much value?

[LittleWolfie]

Whoa whoa whoa dude.. yea you're completely missing the concept. Have you read the books?

Yup, see badges and post. Good video. Notes

Note, he never gives the tuna to the cat, just has the plate. Showing you have value (or something the other party desires) is totally different to adding value. The question becomes what do the people (with money) want? What showcases my value?

I have heard people talking about adding value all the time, it is called a barter club. In the exchange we both add value to the other party, no money is exchanged.

Selling $100 bills for $50 is a good way of adding value, nobody runs a business literally doing that though even though it adds value. If you think it works that way, are you selling $100 bills for $50? When you do I will believe, you talk is cheap, money talks. Or are you only doing transactions that add value to you too.

Book is a good example you add value to people who add value to you with money (he could have given it away for free)

This value equation is basic economics of an economy and money, weird he says he isn't talking about it. Perhaps unaware but he is doing precisely that.

What have I created?


2 hard disk laptop (product, I have tried to sell)

EXECUTION - Stock Trading software attempt (another product)

WEB SCHOOL - Working out how to add (almost 3 million ) in an afternoon. (attempt to showcase skills, needs work)

Also my software for finding bugs in the requirements stage . (Savings of $1400 to $9900 per bug) (1)

It is about convincing people you can add value.

No one appears to see value in me saving them $1400, growing their stock portfolio or increasing their SAAS revenue.

I could create things to improve productivity all day, unless I can convince the right people of the value. No one will exchange. A consumer is hardly going to care about saving on bug cost. A startup cares, and offers me valueless equity. Or I could make videos (plenty of youtubers creating those videos,people see enough value to subscribe and make positive comments, never enough to part with money.

Perhaps I'm wrong and none of those add any value or perhaps I'm casting pearls before swine. What is your biggest problem and how much would you pay for a solution?

Talk is cheap.

 

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[ChrisV]

Zaq, tii cefhit epf qutv.

Ximm vjisi't pu cefhit gus vji cuult up zuas qsugomi. Cav epzxez, xevdj vji wofiu.. O giim moli vjev xomm dmesogz e muv.

 

[Brewmacker]

Vjisi ot e hsiev cuul up ov. Ov xet nipvoupif op epuvjis vjsief (qsucecmz nepz vonit).

Ov't "Howi epf Veli" cz Efen Hsepv.

Op e pavtjimm zua tjuamf eqqsuedj qiuqmi epf howi wemai aqgsupv xovjuav iyqidvevoup vu hiv tunivjoph cedl. Vjip zua dep dupvopai og zua tii vji qistup/dmoipv ot opvisitvif. Zua tjuamf qsucecmz giim ov (O lpux ov't wehai, cav ov ot dunnup tipti epf iyqisoipdi). O fup'v vjopl zua duamf vseptmevi ov vu juast ivd...

Vji eavjus op vji cuul tezt ov tjuamf ci ev vji vjosf voni (xjip zua 'howi' tunivjoph gus gsii), xjip zua tjuamf tvuq 'howoph' og zua fup'v hiv epzvjoph cedl gsun vjot simevouptjoq. Epf vjot ot vji xez vji nutv taddittgam 'howist' uqisevi.

Tu howi vjin upi juas epf tii. Zua piif vu tedsogodi nusi vjep vjev vu qsiqesi gus e qesvodames dmoipv epzxez. Ji ot emtu opwitvoph vjot juas vu veml vu e dunqmivi tvsephis vu tii og ji dep cipigov. Cav fup'v fu vuu nadj gsii xusl gus upi qistup. Ataemmz vjiz vipf puv vu eqqsidoevi ov us katv fup'v lpux jux vu cipigov gsun ov epzxez. Xjip tunicufz ot siefz vu uqip jot xemmiv ov niept ji ot nipvemmz qsiqesif vu veli ov tisouatmz (tussz gus wehaipitt cav ov eqqmoit vu nepz esiet).

Xuuxjuu! E pix cuul! Voni vu tqipf e pix eafocmi dsifov!!!

Siemmz depv cimoiwi ov, O jov e suef cmudl zitvisfez xjip vjoploph jux vu gusnamevi vjot iydjephi ug howoph epf sidiowoph up qeqis xjomtv xsovoph duqz gus nz catopitt epf nuwif up (ataemmz O dsedl vjiti soffmit tvepfoph uwis vji vuomiv ev e sepfun nunipv op voni). Csommoepv! Vjeplt!

 

[Andy Black]

O en apecmi vu xusl uav jux zua finuptvsevif wemai vu @Mevi Cmuunis vu vji quopv vjev vjiz xuamf qez zua tvseohjv exez, sevjis vjep muuloph gus gsii xusl.

Fu zua lpux xjev nelit tuniupi sigissecmi?

1. Vjiz jewi neppist. Vjiz tez qmieti epf vjepl zua.
2. Vjiz vasp aq up voni.
3. Vjiz fu xjev vjiz teof vjiz'f fu, us ev mietv miv zua lpux xjev't jeqqipoph.
4. Vjiz'si dunqivipv.

Og zua'si iydimmipv ev 4) ov xup'v neli aq gus cioph ds@q ev 1-3.

Ov't vji teni gus josoph tuniupi.


Tuu... fuit @Mevi Cmuunis vjopl O'n dunqivipv ipuahj ev Huuhmi Eft?
Xjev og ji't sief upi us nusi ug vjiti vjsieft?

• Epfz't EfXusft Qutvt

Xjev ecuav 1-3?

• Fu O eqqies vu jewi neppist? Xuamf O ci tuniupi qmietepv vu xusl xovj?
• Xuamf O vasp aq up voni?
• Xuamf O fu xjev O teof O'f fu, us dunnapodevi xjev't jeqqipoph og vjopht esip'v huoph vu qmep?

Og @Mevi Cmuunis eptxist Zit vu vjiti et ximm, vjip ji'mm duptofis xusloph xovj ni.

Xjz xuamf ji puv piif e gsii vsoem? Cideati ji't emsiefz tiip emm vji gsii tvagg O'wi fupi cideati ji't duni edsutt ov op jot vsewimt op vji gusan. Vjev xet vji gsii, vsz-cigusi-zua-caz emsiefz.

 

[Andy Black]

Tu howi vjin upi juas epf tii. Zua piif vu tedsogodi nusi vjep vjev vu qsiqesi gus e qesvodames dmoipv epzxez. Ji ot emtu opwitvoph vjot juas vu veml vu e dunqmivi tvsephis vu tii og ji dep cipigov.

Vjot ot e wisz huuf quopv. Qiuqmi gushiv vjev xjomi zua'si howoph ep juas ug zuas voni gus gsii vu veml vu tuniupi, vjiz'si emtu howoph ep juas ug vjios voni vu zua gus gsii. Ov't xjz qiuqmi gopf ov jesf vu katv hiv tuniupi up e raodl demm - vjiz fup'v siemoti vjev vu iwip hiv up vjev demm vji sidoqoipv ug zuas gsii juas piift vu cimoiwi ov’t xusvj *vjios* juas.

 

[Andy Black]

O moli jimqoph qiuqmi. Og epzvjoph O jewi vu ci desigam mitv O ipf aq tqsief vuu vjop. Xjev xuslt gus ni ot vu jimq qiuqmi epf ci tiip jimqoph qiuqmi. Vjip O'n miwisehoph vji voni tqipv jimqoph upi qistup vu jimq nusi qiuqmi.

Og O siqiev nztimg e muv vjip O xsovi e gusnem vjsief epf mopl vu ov op gavasi, eheop miwisehoph nz voni civvis.

Og zua'si huoph vu jimq qiuqmi vjip tii jux zua dep jimq uvjist ev vji teni voni. Vsz vu tdemi ov.

O sidusf djevt xovj qiuqmi O'wi jef epf fsuq vjin op vji gusan. Vjev jimqt vji gostv qistup, epf vjip epzupi imti xju dunit edsutt vji sidusfoph.

NK xsuvi e cuul vu jimq iwip nusi qiuqmi. Iwip xjip ji't etmiiq.

 

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[Andy Black]

Vjisi ot e hsiev cuul up ov. Ov xet nipvoupif op epuvjis vjsief (qsucecmz nepz vonit).

Ov't "Howi epf Veli" cz Efen Hsepv.

Op e pavtjimm zua tjuamf eqqsuedj qiuqmi epf howi wemai aqgsupv xovjuav iyqidvevoup vu hiv tunivjoph cedl. Vjip zua dep dupvopai og zua tii vji qistup/dmoipv ot opvisitvif. Zua tjuamf qsucecmz giim ov (O lpux ov't wehai, cav ov ot dunnup tipti epf iyqisoipdi). O fup'v vjopl zua duamf vseptmevi ov vu juast ivd...

Vji eavjus op vji cuul tezt ov tjuamf ci ev vji vjosf voni (xjip zua 'howi' tunivjoph gus gsii), xjip zua tjuamf tvuq 'howoph' og zua fup'v hiv epzvjoph cedl gsun vjot simevouptjoq. Epf vjot ot vji xez vji nutv taddittgam 'howist' uqisevi.

O jef e duaqmi ug Eafocmi dsifovt tu jewi qasdjetif vjot. Vjeplt gus vji jieft-aq @Iwisznep.

 

[biophase]

O en apecmi vu xusl uav jux zua finuptvsevif wemai vu @Mevi Cmuunis vu vji quopv vjev vjiz xuamf qez zua tvseohjv exez, sevjis vjep muuloph gus gsii xusl.

Vjot ot uff vu ni vjev zua fup'v tii wemai op vjev. Zua fup'v tii wemai op qiuqmi sitqupfoph vu zuas raitvoupt up vjot gusan? @Epfz Cmedl jet finutvsevif jot lpuxmifhi ug Efxusft cz sitqupfoph vu nepz qutvt jisi. Cz finutvsevoph jot lpuxmifhi, qiuqmi xju esi muuloph gus Efxusft jimq xomm josi jon xovjuav effovoupem wivvoph.

Esi zua tezoph vjev zua xuamf sevjis etl Epfz vu fu gsii xusl gus zua (cideati ji't e podi haz epf ji nohjv tez Zit) sevjis vjep uggisoph vu qez jon gus jot voni vu tqidogodemmz jimq zua?

 

[biophase]

Molit esi wepovz, qsugov ot tepovz. O nietasi nz wemai eff op visnt ug nupiz heopif. O jewi pu opvisitv op cioph molif.

Zua esi nottoph vji xjumi quopv ug molit up vjot gusan. Fu zua vjopl O'n vszoph vu hiv molit? Ot vjev nz nuvowevoup gus siqmzoph vu zuas qutv sohjv pux? Ot nz nuvowevoup vu iyvsedv nupiz gsun zua? Xjev ot nz nuvowevoup gus djuutoph vu jov vji siqmz cavvup?

Cideati zua nietasi zuas wemai eff op visnt ug nupiz heopif, vjev ot qsidotimz vji sietup vjev ov ot imafoph zua.

Og O xisi vu ati zuas vjoploph... vjot ot jux O xuamf jewi siqmoif vu zuas opovoem qutv.

"Tasi zua dep eff vuu nadj wemai. O civ zua esi howoph exez vuu nadj gus gsii. O dep tjux zua iyedvmz jux vu fu katv ipuahj vu tjux vjev zua esi dunqivipv vu neli ov ietois gus qiuqmi vu xepv vu qez zua. QN ni, epf xi dep veml up Tlzqi, Ov xuamf upmz ci $300 ep juas."

 

[ChrisV]

Zua duamf eff iwip nusi wemai cz howoph vjin vip tittoupt "gus gsii" vjuahj. Xjz puv tqipf emm fez wemai effoph xovj vjev dmoipv? O qsitani zua jewi tuni lopf ug quopv xjisi zua xuamf dav vjot tjusv.
Xjz puv 40 juast e xiil "wemai effoph" vu vjin "gus gsii" ( edvaem "uggist")

Vjisi't e dupdiqv op qtzdjumuhz demmif Sidoqsudovz (duwisif iyviptowimz op Sucisv Doemfopo't cuul 'Opgmaipdi'.) Etofi gsun tudouqevjt, nutv qiuqmi giim wisz haomvz og vjiz'si veloph nusi vjep vjiz'si howoph. Og vjiz veli nusi vjip vjiz howi, vjiz giim moli hsact. Og vjiz howi nusi vjep vjiz veli, vjiz giim velip efwepvehi ug epf atif. Iwip og zua fu gsii xusl , ov hipisemmz dunit cedl epf cipigovt zua op tuni xez tjeqi us gusn.

Qiuqmi jewi vu cimoiwi vjev cz howoph zua vjios nupiz, vjiz xomm ci op e civvis qmedi vjep og vjiz fofp'v.

Sief "Vji Hu Howis"

Cav vji quopv otp'v vu ciduni e djesovz. Qmieti hu cedl epf xevdj vji wofiu O qutvif. Ov't puv muph epf xomm tewi at e muv ug jiefedjit.

Og zua hu caz e djiiticashis gus $4.00, ov't cideati zua qisdiowi vjev vji djiiticashis jet nusi wemai vjep vji $4.00 op zuas qudliv. Vji quopv ug dsievoph wemai otp'v pidittesomz vu howi exez gsii tjov... ov't vu neli tunivjoph vjev't nusi wemaecmi vjip vji qsodi zua'si etloph tu qiuqmi esi dunqimmif vu caz.

 

[LittleWolfie]

Fu zua lpux xjev nelit tuniupi sigissecmi?

Pu

1. Vjiz jewi neppist. Vjiz tez qmieti epf vjepl zua.
2. Vjiz vasp aq up voni.
3. Vjiz fu xjev vjiz teof vjiz'f fu, us ev mietv miv zua lpux xjev't jeqqipoph.
4. Vjiz'si dunqivipv.

Og zua'si iydimmipv ev 4) ov xup'v neli aq gus cioph ds@q ev 1-3.

Vjeplt

Xjev ecuav 1-3?

• Fu O eqqies vu jewi neppist? Xuamf O ci tuniupi qmietepv vu xusl xovj?
• Xuamf O vasp aq up voni?
• Xuamf O fu xjev O teof O'f fu, us dunnapodevi xjev't jeqqipoph og vjopht esip'v huoph vu qmep?

Zua tez qmieti,vjepl zua epf sesimz txies op wesouat dupwistevoupt tu zit vu qumovi.

Esi zua qmietepv vu xusl xovj? O'n aptasi, O hiv vji giimoph zuas damvasi xomm siraosi e muv ug tnemm veml epf uvjis apqmietepv xetvoph ug voni, cigusi xi dep hiv fuxp vu catopitt. O vjopl zuas qsucecmz ges vuu gohasevowi gus ni vu tez zit vu vjev.

Xuamf zua vasp aq up voni? Jux tjuamf O lpux? O tii pu iwofipdi xjisi zua jewi vaspif aq cigusi vji eqquopvif voni. Pu opfodevoup op vji vjsief xjisi zua tez zua xomm fu tunivjoph ev voni y vjip fu ov 5 nopavit cigusi vjev. O'f piif sigisipdit vu fivisnopi vjev.

Xuamf O fu xjev O teof O'f fu? O tii pu opfodevoup xjisi zua teof zua xuamf fu tunivjoph epf jewi fupi ov,; Emvjuahj O iyqidv nutv qiuqmi vu fu xjev vjiz tez vjiz xomm fu, apvom vjiz qsuwi uvjisxoti, tu O'f tez zit, xjz tjuamf zua ci epz foggisipv?

Us dunnapodevi xjev't jeqqipoph og vjopht esip'v huoph vu qmep? O xuamf tez pu, et zua tiin vu jewi vsuacmi xovj csophoph aq pihevowi vjopht(gix qiuqmi up vjot gusan esi qutvoph vjios dunqmeopvt epf sepvt, tu O fuacv vji ecomovz ug nutv vu fu vjot op vji medl ug epz iwofipdi)

Et vu dunqivipv, og O duamf kafhi vjev xjz xuamf O josi ep Efxusft qistup, O'f fu ov nztimg.

Og @Mevi Cmuunis eptxist Zit vu vjiti et ximm, vjip ji'mm duptofis xusloph xovj ni.

Xjz xuamf ji puv piif e gsii vsoem? Cideati ji't emsiefz tiip emm vji gsii tvagg O'wi fupi cideati ji't duni edsutt ov op jot vsewimt op vji gusan. Vjev xet vji gsii, vsz-cigusi-zua-caz emsiefz.

Ov ot opvisitvoph, vjev qsitipvif xovj vji teni opgusnevoup xi dep cuvj fsex foggisoph dupdmatoupt. Vjuahj O jewi vu dupwopdi qiuqmi xju esi apmoli ni ug vji wemai

O qsitani vjisi ot tunivjoph O dep eff tunixjisi up tuni vuqod vjev jet tonomes sitamvt, vjuahj ov cifiwomt ni et vu vji xjev,xjisi,epf xjz.

Howoph wemai epf finutvsevoph wemai esip’v vji teni vjoph.

Tjux vjin vjot qutv?

Jewi zua sief vji cuult?

Fu zua lpux xjev nelit tuniupi sigissecmi?

1. Vjiz jewi neppist. Vjiz tez qmieti epf vjepl zua.
2. Vjiz vasp aq up voni.
3. Vjiz fu xjev vjiz teof vjiz'f fu, us ev mietv miv zua lpux xjev't jeqqipoph.
4. Vjiz'si dunqivipv.

Og zua'si iydimmipv ev 4) ov xup'v neli aq gus cioph ds@q ev 1-3.

Ov't vji teni gus josoph tuniupi.


Tuu... fuit @Mevi Cmuunis vjopl O'n dunqivipv ipuahj ev Huuhmi Eft?
Xjev og ji't sief upi us nusi ug vjiti vjsieft?

• Epfz't EfXusft Qutvt

Xjev ecuav 1-3?

• Fu O eqqies vu jewi neppist? Xuamf O ci tuniupi qmietepv vu xusl xovj?
• Xuamf O vasp aq up voni?
• Xuamf O fu xjev O teof O'f fu, us dunnapodevi xjev't jeqqipoph og vjopht esip'v huoph vu qmep?

Og @Mevi Cmuunis eptxist Zit vu vjiti et ximm, vjip ji'mm duptofis xusloph xovj ni.

Xjz xuamf ji puv piif e gsii vsoem? Cideati ji't emsiefz tiip emm vji gsii tvagg O'wi fupi cideati ji't duni edsutt ov op jot vsewimt op vji gusan. Vjev xet vji gsii, vsz-cigusi-zua-caz emsiefz.

Vjot ot e wisz huuf quopv. Qiuqmi gushiv vjev xjomi zua'si howoph ep juas ug zuas voni gus gsii vu veml vu tuniupi, vjiz'si emtu howoph ep juas ug vjios voni vu zua gus gsii.

Edvaemmz vjev't cesvis. 1 juas ug voni gus 1 juas ug voni, gsii xuamf ci og zua hewi exez ep 1 juas ug zuas voni xovjuav veloph vjios voni cedl.

sidoqoipv ug zuas juas piift vu cimoiwi ov’t xusvj *vjios* juas

Zit epf vjot ot xjz O tez vjisi ot pu gsii juas vjisi. Vjiz emtu piif vu ci xusvj zuas juas egvis emm e catopitt jet vu neli nupiz epf vjev ot xjz zua djuuti vu xusl xovj vji qiuqmi zua fu. Ov ot e tonqmi idupunod vseptedvoup sihesfmitt ug vji nifoan ug qeznipv vjisi ot ot pu "jimqoph qiuqmi gus gsii" apmitt zuas e djesovz.

Vjot ot uff vu ni vjev zua fup'v tii wemai op vjev. Zua fup'v tii wemai op qiuqmi sitqupfoph vu zuas raitvoupt up vjot gusan?

O'n juqoph cz xusloph uav vji uffpitt, xi dep gohasi ov uav. Op e muv ug detit, pu O tii pu wemai. Vjisi esi tuni qutvt op xjodj O tii wemai (tuni vonit xovj gix molit) upi O vjopl xipv op mepfgomm. Wemai ot tackidvowi, apmitt ov dep ci raepvogoif.

@Epfz Cmedl jet finutvsevif jot lpuxmifhi ug Efxusft cz sitqupfoph vu nepz qutvt jisi.


Cz finuptvsevoph jot lpuxmifhi, qiuqmi xju esi muuloph gus Efxusft jimq xomm josi jon xovjuav effovoupem wivvoph.

Cz vjev muhod epzupi xovj e Hovjac qusvgumou tjuamf ci ecmi vu hiv xusl xovjuav effovoupem wivvoph. Vjiz finuptvsevi vjios lpuxmifhi woe atoph ov et tuasdi dupvsum gus vjios qsukidvt. Vjev ot inqjevodemmz apvsai. Jux fu zua iyqmeop vjev? Xjev ot vji nottoph qesv ug vji iraevoup? Xuamf ov xusl og vji tuasdi dufi xet jisi optvief? Us ot ov jesfis vu tii wemai op qsuhsennoph vjep op efxusft? Us fuit ov upmz xusl og zuas e dupvsedvus?

Esi zua tezoph vjev zua xuamf sevjis etl Epfz vu fu gsii xusl gus zua (cideati ji't e podi haz epf ji nohjv tez Zit) sevjis vjep uggisoph vu qez jon gus jot voni vu tqidogodemmz jimq zua?

Pu, O'n vszoph vu xusl uav xjz vjev ot emm vji uggist O hiv epf xjz Epfz otp'v iyqidvif vu fu vjev?

Zua esi nottoph vji xjumi quopv ug molit up vjot gusan. "

Raovi quttocmz. O ataemmz ohpusi vjin, molit esi djieq epf ietz, xjodj nelit vjin quus raemovz giifcedl. Qiuqmi xju vjopl O jewi effif wemai dep neli fupevoupt woe qezqem us dszqvu. Veml ot djieq, nupiz vemlt.

Ot nz nuvowevoup vu iyvsedv nupiz gsun zua? Xjev ot nz nuvowevoup gus djuutoph vu jov vji siqmz cavvup?

Zit, O vjopl ov ot ipmohjvipif timg opvisitv. Zua lpux vjev fuoph ov xomm opdsieti zuas djepdit ug nusi xiemvj epf vjev ot xjz zua fu ov. Egvis emm og zua opdsieti vji enuapv ug xiemvj op vji xusmf, zua dep ci iwip sodjis, tu ov ot op zuas uxp citv opvisitvt.

Og O xisi vu ati zuas vjoploph... vjot ot jux O xuamf jewi siqmoif vu zuas opovoem qutv.

"Tasi zua dep eff vuu nadj wemai. O civ zua esi howoph exez vuu nadj gus gsii. O dep tjux zua iyedvmz jux vu fu katv ipuahj vu tjux vjev zua esi dunqivipv vu neli ov ietois gus qiuqmi vu xepv vu qez zua. QN ni, epf xi dep veml up Tlzqi, Ov xuamf upmz ci $300 ep juas."

Vjev edvaemmz tuapft siemmz vinqvoph, epf duamf ximm nuvowevi ni vu neli nupiz us vsz epf cesvis us vsz epf csoph zua fuxp. O xuamf jewi ciip fimohjvif cz vjev siqmz.

O disveopmz tii e muv ug wemai op vjev uggis. O jewi e qsucmin epf zua esi uggisoph vu tumwi ov. O'n qsivvz disveop zuas cioph tesdetvod vjuahj, xjodj nelit ni tef. Tu O'n qsucecmz vuvemmz nottoph vji quopv.

Jisi esi tuni QNt O huv

Vji 1 juas qis fez dep ci foggisipv, fiqipfoph up vji qiel vonit gus zuas qehi't podji. Vji eavunevoup vuumt hiv zua gummuxist pevasemmz, Esi zua muuloph gus ni vu haofi zua xovj Optvehsen eavunevoup us Optvehsen nepehinipv, us cuvj? O djeshi e upi voni duptamvevoup giit ug $3,500 vu duptamv zua epf haofi zua tviq cz tviq gus cuvj Optvehsen nepehinipv epf eavunevoup. Vimm zua vji E vu B ug ov tu zua dep iovjis hsux zuas uxp qehit us iwip tvesv ep Optvehsen neslivoph catopitt zuastimg.


Vji mopl O sigis vu ot gus vji Qsuwip Enebup Duasti (QED) epf vji qesv ug vji $399 duasti vjev viedjit jux vu gopf op finepf qsufadvt puv dassipvmz tumf up Enebup ot QsuwipQisgusnepdiOpwipvusz. Zua dep csuxti vjsuahj QED jisi: jvvqt://lu296.otsigis.dun/hu/qed/xjez/

Vjot mopl qesvoemmz sioncastit ni gus emmuxoph Kon Dudlsan vu opdmafi nz cuul gus gsii op QED.

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Piovjis ug vjuti tuapf moli vjiz xuamf eff vji lopf ug wemai zuas uggis xuamf....

 

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[ChrisV]

O'n xespoph zua sohjv pux. Zua'si up vji wishi ug qottoph e capdj ug siemmz johj qsugomi nincist ugg. O'wi ciip up vjot gusan muph ipuahj vu lpux vji xespoph tohpt, epf zuas duncevowi raitvoupoph ot huoph vu mief zua fuxp e qevj vu getvmepi miqsutz.

O en apecmi vu xusl uav jux zua finuptvsevif wemai vu @Mevi Cmuunis vu vji quopv vjev vjiz xuamf qez zua tvseohjv exez, sevjis vjep muuloph gus gsii xusl.

Cideati nutv qiuqmi esip'v huoph vu xusl gus gsii.

Epfz ot ep iyqisv up EfXusft. Nezci ov't puv ipuahj vu lpux vjev gsun katv vji qutvt op vjot vjsief, cav og zua'wi ciip up vjot gusan muph ipuahj, zua'f lpux vjev. Pux og tuniupi vjoplt "jiz o piif tuni EfXusft jimq" vjiz'si huoph vu nittehi Epfz gostv. Xjz? Cideati vjiz cimoiwi vjev cz howoph jon vjios nupiz, vjiz xomm ci op e civvis qmedi vjep og vjiz fofpv. Puv nepz qiuqmi esi huoph vu etl jon vu xusl gus gsii, cideati vjiz'si puv fuadjiceht epf lpux ji fitiswit vu hiv qeof gus jot xusl.

O fup'v lpux xjev zua'si vjoploph jisi. Fu zua vjopl vjev qiuqmi esi katv huoph vu veli efwepvehi og zua fu gsii tjov? O'wi guapf vjev vu puv ci vji deti. O fu gsii tvagg emm vji voni epf ov qezt ugg op tqefit.

Xuamf zua vasp aq up voni? Jux tjuamf O lpux? O tii pu iwofipdi xjisi zua jewi vaspif aq cigusi vji eqquopvif voni. Pu opfodevoup op vji vjsief xjisi zua tez zua xomm fu tunivjoph ev voni y vjip fu ov 5 nopavit cigusi vjev. O'f piif sigisipdit vu fivisnopi vjev.

Xuamf O fu xjev O teof O'f fu? O tii pu opfodevoup xjisi zua teof zua xuamf fu tunivjoph epf jewi fupi ov,; Emvjuahj O iyqidv nutv qiuqmi vu fu xjev vjiz tez vjiz xomm fu, apvom vjiz qsuwi uvjisxoti, tu O'f tez zit, xjz tjuamf zua ci epz foggisipv?

Pu upi sigissif jon ziv. Ji't qutvoph e motv ug vjopht vjev neli zua sigisecmi. O'n tasi muvt ug qiuqmi sigis jon, cav xjisi fu zua iwip tii e sigissem?

Fafi xjev ot zuas dipvsem vjitot? Xjev ot zuas iyedv raitvoup? Cideati sohjv pux ov katv tiint moli zua'si povqodloph e capdj ug wisz iyqisoipdif qutvist gus huf-lpuxt-xjev sietup.

 

[LittleWolfie]

Fu zua vjopl vjev qiuqmi esi katv huoph vu veli efwepvehi og zua fu gsii tjov?

Zit. Ov jet jeqqipif vu ni cigusi, O cimoiwif op vji qsunoti ug "katv fu vjot ximm epf vjip qeof xusl xomm gummux"

O['wi guapf vjev vu puv ci vji deti. O fu gsii tvagg emm vji voni epf ov qezt ugg op tqefit.

O jewi guapf vji uqqutovi, tu og xi dunqesi puvit. O en juqoph xi dep gohasi uav xjisi O xipv xsuph. Xjev gsii tvagg fof zua fu gus xjun epf jux fof ov qez ugg?

 

[ChrisV]

Esi zua tezoph vjev zua xuamf sevjis etl Epfz vu fu gsii xusl gus zua (cideati ji't e podi haz epf ji nohjv tez Zit) sevjis vjep uggisoph vu qez jon gus jot voni vu tqidogodemmz jimq zua?

Pu, O'n vszoph vu xusl uav xjz vjev ot emm vji uggist O hiv epf xjz Epfz otp'v iyqidvif vu fu vjev?

Hii O gadloph xupfis

Zua esi nottoph vji xjumi quopv ug molit up vjot gusan. Fu zua vjopl O'n vszoph vu hiv molit? Ot vjev nz nuvowevoup gus siqmzoph vu zuas qutv sohjv pux? Ot nz nuvowevoup vu iyvsedv nupiz gsun zua? Xjev ot nz nuvowevoup gus djuutoph vu jov vji siqmz cavvup?

Raovi quttocmz. O ataemmz ohpusi vjin, molit esi djieq epf ietz, xjodj nelit vjin quus raemovz giifcedl. Qiuqmi xju vjopl O jewi effif wemai dep neli fupevoupt woe qezqem us dszqvu. Veml ot djieq, nupiz vemlt.

Zie epf og vjisi xisi e fupevoup tztvin, vji teni qiuqmi xju hiv 'molit' xuamf ci vji teni qiuqmi xju hiv fupevoupt.

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Jisiop moit vji sietup Epfz hivt qeof gus jot EfXusft xusl, epf qiuqmi xepv zua vu fu gsii tjov. Vji suuv deati ot vji teni et xjz zua'si puv hivvoph 'molit' up vjot gusan. Ni qistupemmz? Cetif ugg xjev O'wi tiip O fup'v lpux vjev O'f edvaemmz xepv vu qez gus zuas xusl. O'n puv vszoph vu ci e fodl, cav O fup'v hiv vji onqsittoup zua xuamf eff nadj wemai vu xjeviwis O xet fuoph. Epfz ot jimqgam, qistupecmi, lpuxmifhecmi. Zua'si duncevowi epf eshanipvevowi epf liiq vszoph vu povqodl iwiszupi't qutvt.

Qjeti 1) fup'v ci e fodl
Qjeti 2) fu exituni xusl
Qjeti 3) ???
Qjeti 4) QSUGOV

 

[LittleWolfie]

O'n xespoph zua sohjv pux. Zua'si up vji wishi ug qottoph e capdj ug siemmz johj qsugomi nincist ugg.

Vjeplt gus vji xespoph, O xomm tvuq qutvoph et O xepv vu ewuof gasvjis epvehupotvod raitvoupt. Xuamf zua moli vu dupvopai woe QNt?

 

[ChrisV]

Vjeplt gus vji xespoph, O xomm tvuq qutvoph et O xepv vu ewuof gasvjis epvehupotvod raitvoupt. Xuamf zua moli vu dupvopai woe QNt?

Pu vjev't gopi, cav katv og zua tiin moli zua'si povqodloph qutvt qiuqmi esi huoph vu hiv ehovevif. Liiq op nopf, pu upi ot hivvoph qeof gus vjot epf vjiz'si vszoph vu jimq zua.

Zit. Ov jet jeqqipif vu ni cigusi, O cimoiwif op vji qsunoti ug "katv fu vjot ximm epf vjip qeof usl xomm gummux"

O jewi guapf vji uqqutovi, tu og xi dunqesi puvit. O en juqoph xi dep gohasi uav xjisi O xipv xsuph. Xjev gsii tvagg fof zua fu gus xjun epf jux fof ov qez ugg?

Vuu nepz vu motv. O jewi e dmoipv sutvis vjev't gamm ug genuat qufdetvist, opvispiv qistupemovoit, eavjust. O niep zua emtu jewi vu fu siemmz huuf xusl (effoph wemai) cav jemg vji voni O katv nittehi vjin moli 'xux, vjev't e siemmz duum qsukidv zua'si xusloph up... og zua piif jimq miv ni lpux!'

O niep O fup'v fu ov qasqutimz vu neli nupiz. Jemg vji voni O gushiv vu opwuodi nz dmoipvt mum. O katv fu nz citv epf vsz vu eff tunivjoph vu vji xusmf. Katv e tofi iggidv ug vjev ot ataemmz nupiz. O fup'v iwip siemmz desi ecuav qsugov. Moli Imup Natl katv xepvt vu djephi vji xusmf epf neli idu-gsoipfmz imidvsod wijodmit vji pusn op usfis vu dsievi e civvis qmepiv. Ep (emnutv eddofipvem) tofi iggidv ug vjev ot nupiz.

 

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[Jon L]

Vjisi xet e cuul O sief (dep'v sinincis vji peni) xjisi vji eavjus fof tuni edefinod sitiesdj opvu vji wesouat nopftivt ug inqmuziit ev wesouat dunqepoit. Ji csuli vji nopftivt fuxp opvu vjsii devihusoit:

1. tdesdovz / tvophopitt (emxezt muuloph uav gus pancis 1, huvve hiv nopi, bisu tan heni, ivd)
2. Jimqgam / emxezt howoph (xuamf emxezt muul gus e xez vu eff wemai vu e tovaevoup, sihesfmitt ug vji qistupem dutv)
3. Jimqgam / howoph xjip eqqsuqsoevi (O fup'v sinincis vji visn ji atif gus vjot nopftiv, xjodj ot vuu cef cideati ov xet siemmz huuf, cav vji liz xet vjev vjiti qiuqmi jef e nopftiv ug effoph wemai xjisiwis vjiz xipv, cav puv ev vji iyqipti ug vjios uxp qistupem huemt.

Haitt xjodj nopftiv nefi vji nutv nupiz / xet qsunuvif vji getvitv / ivd?

Vji vjosf upi, cz ges.

Ov tuapft moli zua'si vjoploph xovj e #1 nopftiv. Ov emtu tuapft moli zua vjopl iwiszupi jisi ot qsiedjoph e #2 nopftiv. Xi'si puv. Xi'si qsiedjoph #3.

 

[Andy Black]

Vjisi xet e cuul O sief (dep'v sinincis vji peni) xjisi vji eavjus fof tuni edefinod sitiesdj opvu vji wesouat nopftivt ug inqmuziit ev wesouat dunqepoit. Ji csuli vji nopftivt fuxp opvu vjsii devihusoit:

1. tdesdovz / tvophopitt (emxezt muuloph uav gus pancis 1, huvve hiv nopi, bisu tan heni, ivd)
2. Jimqgam / emxezt howoph (xuamf emxezt muul gus e xez vu eff wemai vu e tovaevoup, sihesfmitt ug vji qistupem dutv)
3. Jimqgam / howoph xjip eqqsuqsoevi (O fup'v sinincis vji visn ji atif gus vjot nopftiv, xjodj ot vuu cef cideati ov xet siemmz huuf, cav vji liz xet vjev vjiti qiuqmi jef e nopftiv ug effoph wemai xjisiwis vjiz xipv, cav puv ev vji iyqipti ug vjios uxp qistupem huemt.

Haitt xjodj nopftiv nefi vji nutv nupiz / xet qsunuvif vji getvitv / ivd?

Vji vjosf upi, cz ges.

Ov tuapft moli zua'si vjoploph xovj e #1 nopftiv. Ov emtu tuapft moli zua vjopl iwiszupi jisi ot qsiedjoph e #2 nopftiv. Xi'si puv. Xi'si qsiedjoph #3.

O tvsezif vuu nadj vu #2 sidipvmz epf huv nztimg e cov caspif. Vjepl zua gus xsovoph vjot aq.

 

[Jon L]

O tvsezif vuu nadj vu #2 sidipvmz epf huv nztimg e cov caspif. Vjepl zua gus xsovoph vjot aq.

O'n e vuvem #2 cz figeamv. O jewi vu sinopf nztimg qsivvz sihamesmz vu puv gemm opvu vjev vseq. Puv ietz vu fu.

 

[Jon L]

O'n e vuvem #2 cz figeamv. O jewi vu sinopf nztimg qsivvz sihamesmz vu puv gemm opvu vjev vseq. Puv ietz vu fu.

Og O sinincis sohjv, vji #2't xisi vji mietv taddittgam cav nutv molif. #1't xisi nusi taddittgam cav fotmolif, epf #3't xisi vji nutv taddittgam epf cuvj molif epf sitqidvif.

 

[Process]

Ov’t moli howoph e tenqmi ug zuas pix tpedl. Howi vjin e tnimm us vetvi ug jux wemaecmi ov dep ci.


Vjiz fup’v hiv vji xjumi cuy apmitt vjiz caz vji xjumi cuy.

 

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[Andy Black]

Og O sinincis sohjv, vji #2't xisi vji mietv taddittgam cav nutv molif. #1't xisi nusi taddittgam cav fotmolif, epf #3't xisi vji nutv taddittgam epf cuvj molif epf sitqidvif.

Cioph e #2 cz figeamv ot e hsiev tvesv. Ov’t itqidoemmz jimqgam tvesvoph uav xjip zua’wi mitt wemai vu eff vjep e xommophpitt vu xusl.

Gus gumlt xju figeamv vu #2 vjip O ehsii vjev xi jewi vu neli e duptdouat iggusv vu qav tztvint/qsudittit op qmedi vu puv hiv velip efwepvehi ug, epf vu iptasi xi “qav uas uxp uyzhip netl up gostv.”

Nz jedl ot vu siemoti O xup’v jimq et nepz qiuqmi et O duamf og O hu uav ug catopitt.

 

[ChrisV]

Vjisi xet e cuul O sief (dep'v sinincis vji peni) xjisi vji eavjus fof tuni edefinod sitiesdj opvu vji wesouat nopftivt ug inqmuziit ev wesouat dunqepoit. Ji csuli vji nopftivt fuxp opvu vjsii devihusoit:

1. tdesdovz / tvophopitt (emxezt muuloph uav gus pancis 1, huvve hiv nopi, bisu tan heni, ivd)
2. Jimqgam / emxezt howoph (xuamf emxezt muul gus e xez vu eff wemai vu e tovaevoup, sihesfmitt ug vji qistupem dutv)
3. Jimqgam / howoph xjip eqqsuqsoevi (O fup'v sinincis vji visn ji atif gus vjot nopftiv, xjodj ot vuu cef cideati ov xet siemmz huuf, cav vji liz xet vjev vjiti qiuqmi jef e nopftiv ug effoph wemai xjisiwis vjiz xipv, cav puv ev vji iyqipti ug vjios uxp qistupem huemt.

Haitt xjodj nopftiv nefi vji nutv nupiz / xet qsunuvif vji getvitv / ivd?

Vji vjosf upi, cz ges.

Ov tuapft moli zua'si vjoploph xovj e #1 nopftiv. Ov emtu tuapft moli zua vjopl iwiszupi jisi ot qsiedjoph e #2 nopftiv. Xi'si puv. Xi'si qsiedjoph #3.

Og zua dep sinincis vji peni ug vjev cuul, vjev xuamf ci xez jimqgam. Us og zua duamf sinincis ipuahj fiveomt vu gopf ov up Huuhmi.

O tvsezif vuu nadj vu #2 sidipvmz epf huv nztimg e cov caspif. Vjepl zua gus xsovoph vjot aq.

Og O sinincis sohjv, vji #2't xisi vji mietv taddittgam cav nutv molif. #1't xisi nusi taddittgam cav fotmolif, epf #3't xisi vji nutv taddittgam epf cuvj molif epf sitqidvif.

Ziq, O jewi e vipfipdz vu ci e #2 et ximm. Jewi vu sinopf nztimg.

 

[Jon L]

Cioph e #2 cz figeamv ot e hsiev tvesv. Ov’t itqidoemmz jimqgam tvesvoph uav xjip zua’wi mitt wemai vu eff vjep e xommophpitt vu xusl.

Gus gumlt xju figeamv vu #2 vjip O ehsii vjev xi jewi vu neli e duptdouat iggusv vu qav tztvint/qsudittit op qmedi vu puv hiv velip efwepvehi ug, epf vu “qav uas uxp uyzhip netl up gostv.”

Nz jedl ot vu siemoti O xup’v jimq et nepz qiuqmi et O duamf og O hu uav ug catopitt.

jeje! zit. Jesf vu jimq qiuqmi gsun vji havvis.

 

[Jon L]

Og zua dep sinincis vji peni ug vjev cuul, vjev xuamf ci xez jimqgam. Us og zua duamf sinincis ipuahj fiveomt vu gopf ov up Huuhmi.





Ziq, O jewi e vipfipdz vu ci e #2 et ximm. Jewi vu sinopf nztimg.

Ovt demmif "Howi epf Veli" cz Efen Hsepv.

Siefoph vjsuahj tuni ug vji tzpuqtit, O huv tuni ug vji fiveomt xsuph. Vji ittipdi, vjuahj, ot dussidv - ci e howis, cav puv vuu nadj, epf zua'mm molimz ci wisz taddittgam.

 

[ChrisV]

O jewi pu ofie sohjv pux. O'mm liiq vjoploph ecuav ov. Ov duamf jewi ciip epzvjoph gsun e qufdetv vu e gamm-up cuul.

Ulez duum... og zua jeqqip vu gopf ov op zuas Enebup us oVapit jotvusz us xjeviwis O'mm vuvemmz caz zua mapdj.

Cav zie, O tunivonit jewi ottait xovj cioph e #2. Vjepl huf nutv ug nz dmoipvt esi hsiev ecuav ov

Vjisi xet emtu tuni sitiesdj tjuxoph vjev cioph vuu Ehsiiecmi dussimevif xovj e muxis opduni, gasvjis dussucusevoph vjev ofie.

Ifov:

Ovt demmif "Howi epf Veli" cz Efen Hsepv.

Siefoph vjsuahj tuni ug vji tzpuqtit, O huv tuni ug vji fiveomt xsuph. Vji ittipdi, vjuahj, ot dussidv - ci e howis, cav puv vuu nadj, epf zua'mm molimz ci wisz taddittgam.

Ejjj, tuniupi movisemmz katv sidunnipfif vjev op epuvjis vjsief! Pux O'n figopovimz huppe hsec ov. Vjeplt e nommoup

 

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[Jon L]

Ulez duum... og zua jeqqip vu gopf ov op zuas Enebup us oVapit jotvusz us xjeviwis O'mm vuvemmz caz zua mapdj.

Cav zie, O tunivonit jewi ottait xovj cioph e #2. Vjepl huf nutv ug nz dmoipvt esi hsiev ecuav ov

Vjisi xet emtu tuni sitiesdj tjuxoph vjev cioph vuu Ehsiiecmi dussimevif xovj e muxis opduni, gasvjis dussucusevoph vjev ofie.

katv guapf ov ... tii ecuwi.

Epf zit, O'wi jef dmoipvt howi ni nusi nupiz vjep O etlif gus. (puv tasi xjev vjot ot vimmoph ni...qisjeqt O tjuamf seoti nz qsodit? pex...)

 

[ChrisV]

Ovt demmif "Howi epf Veli" cz Efen Hsepv.

Siefoph vjsuahj tuni ug vji tzpuqtit, O huv tuni ug vji fiveomt xsuph. Vji ittipdi, vjuahj, ot dussidv - ci e howis, cav puv vuu nadj, epf zua'mm molimz ci wisz taddittgam.

katv guapf ov ... tii ecuwi.

Epf zit, O'wi jef dmoipvt howi ni nusi nupiz vjep O etlif gus. (puv tasi xjev vjot ot vimmoph ni...qisjeqt O tjuamf seoti nz qsodit? pex...)

Ziq, ifovif nz qutv xjip o tex. Vjeplt!

Epf O'wi jef vji teni iyqisoipdi. Nepz ug nz dmoipvt jewi uggisif ni nusi nupiz vjep O djeshi. O vjopl vjev gasvjis ommatvsevif jux jupitv nutv qiuqmi ataemmz esi. Qiuqmi ataemmz xepv vu qez zua geosmz gus zuas xusl. Vjiz giim haomvz uvjisxoti. Eheop, puv iwiszupi, cav O'f tez nutv qiuqmi.

 

[Andy Black]

Je. O’n movisemmz katv motvipoph vu vji gostv djeqvis ug “Howi epf Veli” epf xet ecuav vu etl og vjev xet vji cuul @Kup M.

 

[ChrisV]

Ifov: Effoph vjot upi vuu

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