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[Lex DeVille]

Honestly, I agree. I think if they were treated as real therapists for certain students they might have value, but they don't get any real time with any of them. And most of them are not as good as therapists you pay for at private practice.

Some of those kids definitely need help. School counselors aren't helping anybody.

In the US it's because you don't have to be a clinical psychologist to be a school counselor. The requirements are much lower. For instance, here in Missouri, school counselors only need a master's degree in a relevant field plus 300 supervised hours. To be a licensed psychologist you need an APA-approved doctoral degree (or to jump through a bunch of hoops) plus 3,500 supervised hours.

 

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[Guest-5ty5s4]

In the US it's because you don't have to be a clinical psychologist to be a school counselor. The requirements are much lower. For instance, here in Missouri, school counselors only need a master's degree in a relevant field plus 300 supervised hours. To be a licensed psychologist you need an APA-approved doctoral degree (or to jump through a bunch of hoops) plus 3,500 supervised hours.

Disagree honestly. The main thing I noticed was that students barely ever see or use school counselors. Much like school nurses.

When did you ever see the school nurse? When you were sick or injured, right. And it would be for about 10 seconds, and they would just give you ice and send you back to class. Same thing.

Forget about giving more dollars and wasted hours to universities... It's about the actual function of what they provide - the purpose of the job.

 

[Lex DeVille]

Forget about giving more dollars and wasted hours to universities... It's about the actual function of what they provide - the purpose of the job.

I think I get what you're saying. School counselors don't meet with students for regular sessions. When I saw my school counselor years ago, she mostly just wanted to talk about my plans for college and her room was filled with college info pamplets.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

I think I get what you're saying. School counselors don't meet with students for regular sessions. When I saw my school counselor years ago, she mostly just wanted to talk about my plans for college and her room was filled with college info pamplets.

Since you all are talking about schools and mental health, nowadays every school in Western cultures should have a mental health class, and how to deal with depression, feelings of loneliness and isolation.

When I was a student, every student had to take MATH.

Now, every student needs to take a "MENTAL HEALTH" class, or a class on "HAPPINESS."

 

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[Antifragile]

The main thing I noticed was that students barely ever see or use school counselors.

Is it not confidential? What is visible vs what is true could be different.

From personal experience, like @Lex DeVille I found our person to be beyond useless. I was told that SATs don't matter etc. But that was decades ago. Worst advice possible came from counselor. I don't want to generalize, maybe he didn't give a shit about me specifically but helped someone else. I'll never know.

In short... you may be right.

 

[Antifragile]

Since you all are talking about schools and mental health, nowadays every school in Western cultures should have a mental health class, and how to deal with depression, feelings of loneliness and isolation.

When I was a student, every student had to take MATH.

Now, every student needs to take a "MENTAL HEALTH" class, or a class on "HAPPINESS."

Ironically, the word seems more depressed than ever before. Or maybe it is just more visible now... Not sure if there is even a way to know.

 

[Lex DeVille]

Is it not confidential? What is visible vs what is true could be different.

From personal experience, like @Lex DeVille I found our person to be beyond useless. I was told that SATs don't matter etc. But that was decades ago. Worst advice possible came from counselor. I don't want to generalize, maybe he didn't give a shit about me specifically but helped someone else. I'll never know.

In short... you may be right.

I've seen a number of therapists over the years and just one licensed psychologist. The only one I'm still seeing is the psychologist. Maybe I just got one awesome psychologist, but the difference between his services and those of every not psychologist is night and day. It's the difference between someone who knows how to not accidentally talk you into killing yourself when you feel like killing yourself...and someone who doesn't.

 

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[socaldude]

When you see “throw backs” of videos from 80s or 90s high schoolers, they seemed…different.

People looked healthier and had more personality.

 

[Kak]

Everyone is an idiot now. If you’re not an idiot over the next 40 years, you stand to make a fortune.

I have seen @MJ DeMarco mention picking up the phone and being on time is now a value skew in some industries. It’s ridiculous that it’s so true.

I’m looking for a simple lawn mower part. It has the name of the company that machined it, and the part number. Taking it off, I was like “lucky me” this should be super simple to track down.

I was wrong.

I called the store I bought the lawn mower from. I called three small engine repair companies. I searched Google. I called the actual lawn mower manufacturer and I called the company that machined the part for the lawn mower manufacturer.

I literally want to give someone my money for something I know each of them has had at some point.

No luck. Remember I have the part number and the name of the company that made it stamped right on it. Best I have found are chinchy part websites with back order options.

I’ve spent too much time on this. I’m just going to buy a new lawn mower unless @Johnny boy has solid parts guy for me to call.

 

[Andy Black]

I have seen @MJ DeMarco mention picking up the phone and being on time is now a value skew in some industries. It’s ridiculous that it’s so true.

I’m looking for a simple lawn mower part. It has the name of the company that machined it, and the part number. Taking it off, I was like “lucky me” this should be super simple to track down.

I was wrong.

I called the store I bought the lawn mower from. I called three small engine repair companies. I searched Google. I called the actual lawn mower manufacturer and I called the company that machined the part for the lawn mower manufacturer.

I literally want to give someone my money for something I know each of them has had at some point.

No luck. Remember I have the part number and the name of the company that made it stamped right on it. Best I have found are chinchy part websites with back order options.

Everyone is an idiot now. If you’re not an idiot over the next 40 years, you stand to make a fortune. I’ve spent too much time on this.

I’m just going to buy a new lawn mower unless @Johnny boy has solid parts guy for me to call.

Did you Google the part number? Bidding on part numbers worked pretty well for a hydraulics client I had a while back.

 

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[Kak]

Did you Google the part number? That worked pretty well for a hydraulics client I had a while back.

Of course. That was the first thing I did.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Is it not confidential? What is visible vs what is true could be different.

From personal experience, like @Lex DeVille I found our person to be beyond useless. I was told that SATs don't matter etc. But that was decades ago. Worst advice possible came from counselor. I don't want to generalize, maybe he didn't give a shit about me specifically but helped someone else. I'll never know.

In short... you may be right.

The sessions are private, but the time you spend with a school counselor only happens (happened) during school hours, so it was obvious when anyone was taken out of class to see one, which was extremely rare. Normally we just had one very rare session every few years or so to discuss our academic goals, pick classes, etc. Nothing mental health related or anything like that, which a lot of students probably need.

Although... the last people I would trust with that are public educators, the government, school system, etc. There will always be an agenda based on who is doing the "molding" of young minds.

Tack on six figures of upper-level psychology educational debt and a fancy-sounding degree, and the hour per year spent with these counselors really doesn't sound like much bang for your buck (or theirs).

 

[Fox]

Where has @MTF been? Haven't heard much from him lately, hope he is OK.

He is all good, we chat every so often.

He is travelling quite a bit soon so maybe he is already on the way, might be without internet in transit.

 

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[DennisD]

I've tried undoing it but can't figure it out, and I was in IT for 15 years.

Turbo mode doesn't quite work for documents I guess :-D

 

[Andy Black]

Turbo mode doesn't quite work for documents I guess :-D

Nnnnnooooo. Ittt doeessn'tt...

 

[Johnny boy]

Everyone is an idiot now. If you’re not an idiot over the next 40 years, you stand to make a fortune.

I have seen @MJ DeMarco mention picking up the phone and being on time is now a value skew in some industries. It’s ridiculous that it’s so true.

I’m looking for a simple lawn mower part. It has the name of the company that machined it, and the part number. Taking it off, I was like “lucky me” this should be super simple to track down.

I was wrong.

I called the store I bought the lawn mower from. I called three small engine repair companies. I searched Google. I called the actual lawn mower manufacturer and I called the company that machined the part for the lawn mower manufacturer.

I literally want to give someone my money for something I know each of them has had at some point.

No luck. Remember I have the part number and the name of the company that made it stamped right on it. Best I have found are chinchy part websites with back order options.

I’ve spent too much time on this. I’m just going to buy a new lawn mower unless @Johnny boy has solid parts guy for me to call.

We just buy Home Depot mowers and throw them out when anything breaks lol

 

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[Kak]

We just buy Home Depot mowers and throw them out when anything breaks lol

That’s fantastic.

I’m just going to hire a crew then. Lol. Screw lawn mower ownership.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

@Kak @Johnny boy I'm friends with the owner of a large local Honda dealership. He actually services lawnmowers in the back of his auto dealership and has every single part you could dream of. Does tons of business with local immigrant-owned landscaping crews.

 

[Antifragile]

I've seen a number of therapists over the years and just one licensed psychologist. The only one I'm still seeing is the psychologist. Maybe I just got one awesome psychologist, but the difference between his services and those of every not psychologist is night and day. It's the difference between someone who knows how to not accidentally talk you into killing yourself when you feel like killing yourself...and someone who doesn't.

That's were the disconnect lies, I thought we were talking about people who "guide you" towards your future. Not a therapist that's fixing mental health problems. Luckily, so far, I know nothing of what shrinks actually do.

The sessions are private, but the time you spend with a school counselor only happens (happened) during school hours, so it was obvious when anyone was taken out of class to see one, which was extremely rare. Normally we just had one very rare session every few years or so to discuss our academic goals, pick classes, etc. Nothing mental health related or anything like that, which a lot of students probably need.

Although... the last people I would trust with that are public educators, the government, school system, etc. There will always be an agenda based on who is doing the "molding" of young minds.

Tack on six figures of upper-level psychology educational debt and a fancy-sounding degree, and the hour per year spent with these counselors really doesn't sound like much bang for your buck (or theirs).

Right, I think we are talking about the same thing. Their education is what is supposed to be helping students pick the right path in life. But if there is too much "fluff" in those meetings, things like "you can be whatever you want to be, but if you don't get your grades up you won't go to Stanford"... it's not very useful. We all struggle at that age with figuring shit out (hell, many struggle at 2x or 3x that age still). It's helpful to have someone bounce ideas with, especially if they have relevant experience/knowledge. For me, I didn't get that from our high-school (decades ago... mind you, might be very different now). Best I got was a pep talk on how to apply to Universities and where to find the flyers (back then we had brochures and fliers on a physical wall!). I still remember the guy: Garth. And remember being pissy about him not being helpful and having to do all the work myself. Looking back, maybe it was me who was an entitled little jerkoff kid thinking that our guidance counsellor was supposed to be more helpful. Why should it be that way? If he saw I was going to be OK, kicking me out of office may have been a very intelligent move. Do the work! Not bad advice.

I ramble... enough from me on this.

/end

 

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[Antifragile]

That’s fantastic.

I’m just going to hire a crew then. Lol. Screw lawn mower ownership.

I hate lawns

 

[Kak]

I hate lawns

Way to fill the void.

Sorry. I need a part for my biodiversity mower.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

I hate lawns

Probably because for urbanites, lawns don't exist! There is no space for them.

 

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[Antifragile]

Probably because for urbanites, lawns don't exist! There is no space for them.

No, I own a golf course . Lawns are too small.

 

[loop101]

From a Driver's Manual. It took me a minute to realize why the right lane was so small.

 

[msufan]

Since you all are talking about schools and mental health, nowadays every school in Western cultures should have a mental health class, and how to deal with depression, feelings of loneliness and isolation.

When I was a student, every student had to take MATH.

Now, every student needs to take a "MENTAL HEALTH" class, or a class on "HAPPINESS."

Having every student focus on their own mental health will exacerbate the problem even further, as true mental health comes from being more often able to look outside of oneself and one's own feelings, not getting better at navel gazing.

 

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[Guest-5ty5s4]

No, I own a golf course . Lawns are too small.

I believe that would be owned by the company, not part of your residence, but yes, that's awesome

 

[Kak]

Since you all are talking about schools and mental health, nowadays every school in Western cultures should have a mental health class, and how to deal with depression, feelings of loneliness and isolation.

When I was a student, every student had to take MATH.

Now, every student needs to take a "MENTAL HEALTH" class, or a class on "HAPPINESS."

Do you trust them to actually teach effectively on the topic?

 

[BizyDad]

DeLoreans are making a comeback. Now all I need is 1.21 Gigawatts!!

Anyone else at CES?

 

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[Antifragile]

DeLoreans are making a comeback. Now all I need is 1.21 Gigawatts!!

Anyone else at CES?

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Who owns the brand now?

 

[Xeon]

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2) Currently, many AI tools are difficult to use and install, and many are hosted on Git (which non-techy folks find confusing). Many are open source with messy command line stuff. And we know how shitty open source tools are in terms of usability. Some of these projects come with APIs. They need easy UIs to connect to. Maybe there's a hole in this niche.

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