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I'm happy to hop on a Zoom with them to be a sounding board - for paid search, agency thoughts, and their landing page offering.

I'm better at paid search than building an agency (which has never been a goal).

Me and @eliquid had a recorded chat many moons ago and dropped it into the forum. I think it was pretty evergreen.
 
Me and @eliquid had a recorded chat many moons ago and dropped it into the forum. I think it was pretty evergreen.

For those who are interested in hearing the call:

 
#1 I have a contact that is in at the ground floor building a paid search company, knowing peers are a shortcut, have you all seen any paid groups where someone with under $10k/mo rev can join to learn and network?

I dont know of any Good ones.

I've joined a lot of groups over the years and they all pretty much suck and are horrible.

No joke.
 
Keeping an on this as I've just launched a carpet cleaning and restoration business in Utah. Right now I'm interviewing 2 different digital marketing agencies that specialize in home services / restoration.

I imagine most of the budget initially will go into Google PPC and LSA. They both offer different service packages at different price points, so will have to see where I think I get the most bang for my buck.
 
Keeping an on this as I've just launched a carpet cleaning and restoration business in Utah. Right now I'm interviewing 2 different digital marketing agencies that specialize in home services / restoration.

I imagine most of the budget initially will go into Google PPC and LSA. They both offer different service packages at different price points, so will have to see where I think I get the most bang for my buck.

Congrats. I think I remember you starting a thread about buying a business.
 
I'm not in any paid groups. Is it the paid search or the agency building they're most interested in?

It's paid search first as a freelancer but working towards building it up. So to clarify right now it's getting clients consistently, no need to scale or build at the moment.


Sounds neat actually. Not something I'd use as we developed our own solution that accepts the headline, bullets, and button copy via the ad. As the media buyer I can then test ad/lp combinations without touching the lp code.

Got it, I think this software could build pages with the variable tags in place as well. Noted on you built something in house, I am wondering if this is the case across the board.


Hmmm. I'll have a think about that. The time consuming part is finding the angles to test based on keyword research or search term analysis. To date I get the insights when I analyse the data myself.

This is a great data point as well. Could AI handle the interpretation based on the data, and could it even help build the right logic so you don't have to do all the thinking to set it up. Very insightful.

This isn't my company or my product but you know how exciting solving problems and challenges is :)
 
I'll defer to Andy.



Sounds like? Yes.

In practice we have our own proprietary CMS and are building/have built tools like this already.

But I also don't scale campaigns like Andy does, so he's more "target market" for this than I.

I think you will find this interesting. I've asked him to make a demo, he can either post it himself here or maybe I can link you two direct after you watch the demo and see what feedback you have. It may be a force multiplier now or could be built into one in the future.
 
I dont know of any Good ones.

I've joined a lot of groups over the years and they all pretty much suck and are horrible.

No joke.

Appreciate that. Crazy there isn't anything reputable or if there is, it's hard to find.

BTW I haven't been on X as much so I haven't seen your posts, are you cross posting to LinkedIn? (I have found it to be a better platform currently for that type of thought leadership, Andy may reflect this as well)
 
It's paid search first as a freelancer but working towards building it up. So to clarify right now it's getting clients consistently, no need to scale or build at the moment.
This might be interesting then:
 
This might be interesting then:

Sent it along, thanks for always putting your thoughts into video and sharing!
 
Sent it along, thanks for always putting your thoughts into video and sharing!
Might be worth checking out the Inbound/Sales braindump in my signature too.

And maybe watching me bouncing about on LinkedIn? Most of my LinkedIn posts appeal to peers but the occasional prospect DMs me and ends up becoming a client. Also, I treat LinkedIn as a landing page first and foremost - so a word-of-mouth referal who Google's for me can find my profile and do a deep-dive. I've yet to figure out how to post content that generates lots of DMs or email signups. Working on it though.
 
I have a client who serves the entire county of Surrey.

Should I create a landing page for each town / city in Surrey for his services? I feel like that could get me deindexed from Google pretty fast. Besides, if you break it down per city, his services get low search volume.

I've opted to create him a landing page aimed at Surrey. I've mentioned several towns / cities within Surrey and I think I've got a nice edge because his competition hasn't localised thier pages at all.
 
I have a client who serves the entire county of Surrey.

Should I create a landing page for each town / city in Surrey for his services? I feel like that could get me deindexed from Google pretty fast. Besides, if you break it down per city, his services get low search volume.

I've opted to create him a landing page aimed at Surrey. I've mentioned several towns / cities within Surrey and I think I've got a nice edge because his competition hasn't localised thier pages at all.
 
Thanks for that Andy. I should of mentioned that this is for SEO, not ads.
 
I have a client who serves the entire county of Surrey.

Should I create a landing page for each town / city in Surrey for his services? I feel like that could get me deindexed from Google pretty fast. Besides, if you break it down per city, his services get low search volume.

I've opted to create him a landing page aimed at Surrey. I've mentioned several towns / cities within Surrey and I think I've got a nice edge because his competition hasn't localised thier pages at all.

Obviously, I don't have all the info here. I am assuming he currently doesn't rank well for anything.

In that kind of situation, I create a page for each service, and then in the title tag use two cities. Preferably the cities that are closest to his address.

Once those pages are ranking very well, I might add a third city to those pages, then I might look to add the kinds of pages you're talking about.

Also, I would probably use the home page to aim at Surrey...

Hope that helps
 
Interesting. I presume the ads will be triggered by keywords?
 
This is a little different than traditional SEO, but perplexity (an LLM powered search engine) just released a shopping feature. It's probably inevitable that ads made their way into some of these new search tools, so I thought that it was worth mentioning.

 
This is a little different than traditional SEO, but perplexity (an LLM powered search engine) just released a shopping feature. It's probably inevitable that ads made their way into some of these new search tools, so I thought that it was worth mentioning.


I do feel like SEO needs to evolve to SO. People do search more than just on search engines...
 
Posted this today:

Here's some others I posted. Not sure if I've linked to them in here:

 
I was listening to a call on Google ads and got some basic advice that seemed quite useful for running search ads.

"Email your customers and ask them what they would search in Google to try to find your business." You could even ask in a survey.

Obviously it's better if they just had the search console running for months and you already have the data, but here's another quick way to get started with businesses that are just starting with Google ads.
 
So if any of you want some tricks for reporting, you can upload data visualization images to Claude (Anthropic's version of ChatGPT - it's better), then ask it to create a Google ads script that exports ad data to google sheets and creates this heat map.

Original image (from google image search)

prompt: write me a google ads script that will export my campaigns data into google sheets, then create a heat map of impressions. I want the hour of the day to be the row, and the day of the week to be the column, and the sum of impressions occurring as the values at the intersection

1733162005361.webp

The first 2 iterations resulted in errors, which I resolved by checking the logs, and copy & pasting the error into Claude.


Here is the working script if any of you are interested (though you might need to connect your Google Sheets account to your Google ads account):

function applyHeatmapGradient(sheet, range, min, max) {
// Define a single gradient rule for the range
var rule = SpreadsheetApp.newConditionalFormatRule()
.setGradientMinpointWithValue("#F8696B", SpreadsheetApp.InterpolationType.NUMBER, min.toString()) // Green for the minimum value
.setGradientMidpointWithValue("#FFEB84", SpreadsheetApp.InterpolationType.NUMBER, ((min + max) / 2).toString()) // Yellow for the midpoint
.setGradientMaxpointWithValue("#63BE7B", SpreadsheetApp.InterpolationType.NUMBER, max.toString()) // Red for the maximum value
.setRanges([range])
.build();

// Apply the rule to the sheet
sheet.setConditionalFormatRules([rule]);
}

function main() {
var spreadsheetUrl = "YOUR_SPREADSHEET_URL";
var ss = SpreadsheetApp.openByUrl(spreadsheetUrl);
var sheet = ss.getSheetByName("Impressions") || ss.insertSheet("Impressions");

sheet.clear();

var hourlyData = Array(24).fill().map(() => ({
Monday: 0, Tuesday: 0, Wednesday: 0, Thursday: 0,
Friday: 0, Saturday: 0, Sunday: 0
}));

var report = AdsApp.report(
"SELECT HourOfDay, DayOfWeek, Impressions " +
"FROM CAMPAIGN_PERFORMANCE_REPORT " +
"WHERE Impressions > 0 " +
"DURING LAST_30_DAYS");

var rows = report.rows();
while (rows.hasNext()) {
var row = rows.next();
var hour = parseInt(row['HourOfDay']);
var day = row['DayOfWeek'];
var impressions = parseInt(row['Impressions']);
hourlyData[hour][day] += impressions;
}

var headers = ['Hour', 'Monday', 'Tuesday', 'Wednesday', 'Thursday', 'Friday', 'Saturday', 'Sunday'];
sheet.getRange(1, 1, 1, headers.length).setValues([headers]);

var data = [];
var min = Infinity;
var max = -Infinity;

for (var hour = 0; hour < 24; hour++) {
var row = [hour];
headers.slice(1).forEach(day => {
var value = hourlyData[hour][day];
row.push(value);
if (value < min) min = value;
if (value > max) max = value;
});
data.push(row);
}

var dataRange = sheet.getRange(2, 1, 24, 8);
dataRange.setValues(data);

var range = sheet.getRange(2, 2, 24, 7);

var min = 0; // Replace with your minimum value
var max = 100; // Replace with your maximum value

applyHeatmapGradient(sheet, range, min, max);


sheet.getRange(1, 1, sheet.getLastRow(), 1).setHorizontalAlignment("center");

for (var i = 1; i <= 8; i++) {
sheet.autoResizeColumn(i);
}

var chartRange = sheet.getRange(1, 1, 25, 8);
var chart = sheet.newChart()
.asColumnChart()
.addRange(chartRange)
.setPosition(26, 1, 0, 0)
.setOption('title', 'Hourly Impressions')
.build();

sheet.insertChart(chart);
}

Edit: here is the result in Google Sheets

1733162383012.webp

Edit 2: Also, it is insane how easy this was to make. Years I spent a few weeks making a heat map report for big corporate (which made them tens of millions in extra profit). This script 1) transformed some data 2) integrated two software platforms and 3) created a visualization off of an image and some really basic prompts
 
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One of my clients has a niche business - he specializes in spray painting doors, windows, exterior walls, kitchen cabinets, and more.

Essentially, he offers the same services as a decorator but with a focus on spray painting. I’ve already got him ranking #1 locally for terms like "spray painter [town]" and "UPVC window painter in [town]." But honestly, these keywords bring in little to no traffic.

Yesterday, we discussed his priorities, and he told me he wants to focus on getting more kitchen spray painting enquiries, as they’re highly profitable. He’s even willing to travel nationally for these jobs because they’re worth the money.

Now, I’ve never done national SEO before, so this will be a new challenge for me. My plan is to target keywords like "kitchen spray painter" on a national scale, since these terms actually get traffic, unlike the local ones we’ve been ranking for.

That said, I’m starting to wonder if SEO will even pay off for him in the long run. It’s tough to say if ranking for national terms will bring in enough enquiries to make it worth the effort.
 
One of my clients has a niche business - he specializes in spray painting doors, windows, exterior walls, kitchen cabinets, and more.

Essentially, he offers the same services as a decorator but with a focus on spray painting. I’ve already got him ranking #1 locally for terms like "spray painter [town]" and "UPVC window painter in [town]." But honestly, these keywords bring in little to no traffic.

Yesterday, we discussed his priorities, and he told me he wants to focus on getting more kitchen spray painting enquiries, as they’re highly profitable. He’s even willing to travel nationally for these jobs because they’re worth the money.

Now, I’ve never done national SEO before, so this will be a new challenge for me. My plan is to target keywords like "kitchen spray painter" on a national scale, since these terms actually get traffic, unlike the local ones we’ve been ranking for.

That said, I’m starting to wonder if SEO will even pay off for him in the long run. It’s tough to say if ranking for national terms will bring in enough enquiries to make it worth the effort.
SEO isn't my thing, but for Google Ads I'd do the following:

Create a campaign targeting the whole country with keywords of "kitchen spray painters <location>" for the names of all states, counties, cities, subhurbs, towns, and villages. Put the location in the ad and landing page.

Then create campaigns targeting each county with keywords of "kitchen spray painters near me" and similar. Put the county in the ad and landing page.
 
SEO isn't my thing, but for Google Ads I'd do the following:

Create a campaign targeting the whole country with keywords of "kitchen spray painters <location>" for the names of all states, counties, cities, subhurbs, towns, and villages. Put the location in the ad and landing page.

Then create campaigns targeting each county with keywords of "kitchen spray painters near me" and similar. Put the county in the ad and landing page.
I swear I wrote this up in the forum somewhere, maybe earlier in this thread?

If not, I posted something about it a couple of weeks ago on LinkedIn:

 
One of my clients has a niche business - he specializes in spray painting doors, windows, exterior walls, kitchen cabinets, and more.

Essentially, he offers the same services as a decorator but with a focus on spray painting. I’ve already got him ranking #1 locally for terms like "spray painter [town]" and "UPVC window painter in [town]." But honestly, these keywords bring in little to no traffic.

Yesterday, we discussed his priorities, and he told me he wants to focus on getting more kitchen spray painting enquiries, as they’re highly profitable. He’s even willing to travel nationally for these jobs because they’re worth the money.

Now, I’ve never done national SEO before, so this will be a new challenge for me. My plan is to target keywords like "kitchen spray painter" on a national scale, since these terms actually get traffic, unlike the local ones we’ve been ranking for.

That said, I’m starting to wonder if SEO will even pay off for him in the long run. It’s tough to say if ranking for national terms will bring in enough enquiries to make it worth the effort.
I've got a weird feeling ages ago I helped a client like this and there where running facebook ads for this specific niche.

What you could be seeing is a market that isn't aware of the solution, and no one is making them solution aware to google it.

So by running the ads on social media you put the brakes on them like oh crap i got to get the kitchen redone, oh well off to the cabinetmaker I guess. He's the only option. Then they see the ad and like oh there is a cheaper option, maybe I don't need to go to all that effort .

But in saying that you may need to swim upstream on the keyword research to catch them not so problem aware. Lookup Eugene Schwartz five stages of awareness if not aware as could help flesh out some keyword ideas to target
 
I'll just chime in that national SEO for this phrase probably won't work. " Kitchen spray painter" is not a definitively commercial term based on the search results I'm looking at.

Now maybe there are better terms, but those terms are going to have a local bias. The odds of him ranking with local companies, okay maybe you can do it...

But what are the odds that someone will hire him over a local company?

Focus on ranking it locally in the maps. Try the Google ads strategy or the social strategy at the state level first.

If you get results from that expand slowly. I doubt your client has the kind of budget to truly run a US nationwide campaign that will actually generate quality leads.

Build slowly and grow into it.

And while I'm on the subject, I'm not an expert at it, but if he had some YouTube videos in this space, those are ranking as well. A little SEO shortcut for you.

Hope that helps.
 
I'll just chime in that national SEO for this phrase probably won't work. " Kitchen spray painter" is not a definitively commercial term based on the search results I'm looking at.

Now maybe there are better terms, but those terms are going to have a local bias. The odds of him ranking with local companies, okay maybe you can do it...

But what are the odds that someone will hire him over a local company?

Focus on ranking it locally in the maps. Try the Google ads strategy or the social strategy at the state level first.

If you get results from that expand slowly. I doubt your client has the kind of budget to truly run a US nationwide campaign that will actually generate quality leads.

Build slowly and grow into it.

And while I'm on the subject, I'm not an expert at it, but if he had some YouTube videos in this space, those are ranking as well. A little SEO shortcut for you.

Hope that helps.
Nice I totally forgot about YouTube and seo for local great tip for to start doing again
 
I'll just chime in that national SEO for this phrase probably won't work. " Kitchen spray painter" is not a definitively commercial term based on the search results I'm looking at.

Now maybe there are better terms, but those terms are going to have a local bias. The odds of him ranking with local companies, okay maybe you can do it...

But what are the odds that someone will hire him over a local company?

Focus on ranking it locally in the maps. Try the Google ads strategy or the social strategy at the state level first.

If you get results from that expand slowly. I doubt your client has the kind of budget to truly run a US nationwide campaign that will actually generate quality leads.

Build slowly and grow into it.

And while I'm on the subject, I'm not an expert at it, but if he had some YouTube videos in this space, those are ranking as well. A little SEO shortcut for you.

Hope that helps.

Thank you, that's very helpful.

He is really keen to run facebook ads.

I've got him number 1 on maps for his home town already. So now it's a waiting game to see if anything results from it.

I think local SEO won't really work here. As Mark said, no one knows this service exists. I bet if they knew you could get your kitchen repainted like this, he would get a few takers. I say this because all his customers are from word of mouth and he makes a decent living from it.
 

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