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Guys....what is with all these tags?

I removed the hijacked ones, not appropriate here. (And one can add tags).
 

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Guys....what is with all these tags?

While I understand a bit of harshness is needed in dishing out advice, I believe that we may be toeing the redline here.


I would argue that indoctrination is what you make of it.

When I was in high school, I chose to omit the 'bad' and take in the 'good', which were things like taking initiative and responsibility. This involves critical thinking, an important tool even for Fastlane.


Bill Gates dropped out from a very good university, Harvard, and scored excellently for his SAT. A 1590 out of 1600.

While you don't need to hit jackpot for high school exams, Bill did show he could put in the work.


Don't just look at 'dropping out' as a means for success. Look at the 'WHY' and 'WHAT' behind it, or the story behind the actions.


@13X, why do you feel the need to kill a person?

What job are you working at? Is it that bad?

Indoctrination is not what you make of it. Either it is or is not. And the modern day school system was literally made to be indoctrination camps for the masses. All you have to do is google or youtube the origins of the modern day "public education" campuses. More like public indoctrination camps.

You might say yeah I take the good and leave the bad but it's not so easy to do when you've been conditioned since you were a toddler.
 

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”What job are you working at? Is it that bad?”

220$ shitjob(carrying stuff),feels pretty embarrassing,degrading.
My first job was tying sacks 12 hours a day. My next was vacuuming a showroom floor. The same floor every . single . day . all . day.

It didn’t embarrass me. I was proud of myself for doing what I needed to do.
 

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right.lol. bill gates drop out of school also...
Bill Gates attended HARVARD UNIVERSITY.

Do you think he dropped out of high school?

Why don’t you read up on Bill Gates, more specifically what he did before attending Harvard, and you’ll quickly see why he is so monumentally successful.

The guy’s level of discipline is through the roof.
 

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Whats up fastlaners,

Recently I have been thinking of the decision on whether I should drop out of high school now and take the GED test (which is extremely easy), or to stick it out and try to get my teachers on my side.

As far as high school goes, my grades at the moment are half F's and the other half D's. Yes it is sh*t, I know. I have hated school ever since the beginning of 2017, I recognize the teachers don't know sh*t and they do not even want to be there. For most of them this was their last call in life for a chance at making a decent salary. So instead of listening to their ways I chose to study by myself and self-taught myself social intelligence (psychology) within the past year, and now I have been learning programming.

If I leave school, I already have a job and would keep going there full time while studying outside of work. I would work and save till the end of Summer and move to Southern California to audit in classes since I do not want the debt.

In order for me to have a shot at graduating I have to convince my teachers to give me a shot and then I have to kick myself into gear and do a semester of work before finals. This is the difficult route compared to me getting to take the easy route and pass the GED with no trouble.

I ask for your guys advice because after you all read the millionaire fastlane, I know you understand where my mentality is at.

What do you think is better? My WADM sheet told me the GED was. Please help out and thank you for taking the time to read.

Only response to that question: WTF. Finish HS then skip college if you feel like it. Unless you go to college to study hard sciences and need labs, equipments, etc.... or things that you can't afford to teach yourself and that are actual skills (a craft) then I'm all for skipping college.
 

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My first job was tying sacks 12 hours a day. My next was vacuuming a showroom floor. The same floor every . single . day . all . day.

It didn’t embarrass me. I was proud of myself for doing what I needed to do.
Inspiring, i guess i built too high expectations of myself and so did everyone else around me and got f*cked over by life,the thought of wasting potential adds more weight on my shoulders while already being in a downward spiral situation.
 

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Vegallan - I would also encourage you to stay in school. I have been a teacher for 17 years (mostly because I really liked the process of teaching but obviously I am here now ready to try something new). My observation has been my students that have been successful in a careers or launched a business that does more than pay the bills had good (not always great) work habits in school. When I was in high school, I did not give 100%, but I did hold a part time job and put in lots of effort to distinguish myself as a dependable person not afraid to work and this has carried me very far as a teacher. I have also had BRILLIANT students that could do no homework and easily pull A's on any test or quiz they were given. They saw no point in homework and skipped it. They did fine because most teachers weight tests so heavy. However, upon graduation these brilliant students transferred the work habits that worked great in high school to the adult world and quickly found out that if you are willing to put forth effort in a job or endeavor, you quickly lose it.

High school can feel very pointless at times, but it is a place to begin networking with classmates and teachers that might help open some doors down the road. You might also find interests you did not know you had that will set you down a new path (I had no plans on teaching until I had a great teacher). I am not sure what grade you are in, but freshman and sophomore year can be a bit rough because you rarely have much control of your classes. By your 11th and 12th grade year, you will have more control and be able to take classes that interest you or might benefit you in a future business endeavor. I would suggest to use any extra free time you have to start playing around with business ideas and test them out. You have less responsibilities and more time now than you will as you age. Lack of time is a hurdle I am working on overcoming myself right now!

Be sure to talk to your teachers as well. I am always way more lenient on mistakes if I know a student is willing to come in for help and try to correct course. Best wishes and keep persevering!
 

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Whats up fastlaners,

Recently I have been thinking of the decision on whether I should drop out of high school now and take the GED test (which is extremely easy), or to stick it out and try to get my teachers on my side.

As far as high school goes, my grades at the moment are half F's and the other half D's. Yes it is sh*t, I know. I have hated school ever since the beginning of 2017, I recognize the teachers don't know sh*t and they do not even want to be there. For most of them this was their last call in life for a chance at making a decent salary. So instead of listening to their ways I chose to study by myself and self-taught myself social intelligence (psychology) within the past year, and now I have been learning programming.

If I leave school, I already have a job and would keep going there full time while studying outside of work. I would work and save till the end of Summer and move to Southern California to audit in classes since I do not want the debt.

In order for me to have a shot at graduating I have to convince my teachers to give me a shot and then I have to kick myself into gear and do a semester of work before finals. This is the difficult route compared to me getting to take the easy route and pass the GED with no trouble.

I ask for your guys advice because after you all read the millionaire fastlane, I know you understand where my mentality is at.

What do you think is better? My WADM sheet told me the GED was. Please help out and thank you for taking the time to read.
 

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Is having a GED going to make you feel less than?
Or is it something you can live with?
Will it create regret?

I don't know what your ultimate goals are, so its tough to give you insight.
Running a business doesn't care what your educational credentials are, but you probably want to focus on getting to a Career, Job, Skill, or Trade that will pay you $50,000-$100,000.
Especially living in Southern California. Once you can secure for yourself a solid income.
You will be in a position to save money for your own business someday. As Mark Cuban said, never start a business on a loan!!! I made this mistake, and it cost me my reputation with eBay, Amazon, and PayPal. At the end of the day....Are you wired to run businesses? Only you know that. K-12 and College generally haven't specialized in training job creators. That's what frustrated me, and many others. But they are somewhat helpful to get you in a position to provide for yourself and save. So I guess if I were you, I would find something you are interested in that will pay you well enough to save for your own business. K-12 and College can get you into better paying situations. Real Estate Agents and Brokers, Loan Officers, Selling Cars, Selling Insurance all pay well. No bachelors degree required!!!

Good luck kid. I'm rooting for you.
 

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i know it hurts to fall behind and get bad grades, but you need to dig your way out of it and not quit. do everything you can to do better than you are, don't just quit because you can't have all A's.

swallow your pride and ask your teachers for help, study hard, and win.
 

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i know it hurts to fall behind and get bad grades, but you need to dig your way out of it and not quit. do everything you can to do better than you are, don't just quit because you can't have all A's.

swallow your pride and ask your teachers for help, study hard, and win.
True.

I f*cked around my science subjects in my first years, with loads of Bs, Cs and even Ds. I didn't really get the way of studying sciences the right way, besides blind memorization.

I felt my way through the darkness, learned up the ropes from exam mistakes, and improved gradually.

I ended up as the school's top scorer for my high school diploma.:smuggy::)
 

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Dude, high school is the easiest thing you'll ever do, especially if you want to take the entrepreneur route. I'm not exaggerating, not even a little. I don't want to be a hypocrite because I'm considering not finishing college, but college is a very different game. I'm only 2 or 3 years older than you, but you will learn so much about the world and yourself in the next few years that it's almost overwhelming. You can devote the entirety of your time to high school in order to graduate as best you can and your opportunity cost will be extremely low because you're just getting started in life. I'm double majoring in finance and marketing, helping my roommate run a tech startup, working a construction job, and getting my real estate license at the same time. Believe me when I tell you that at this point in your life, finishing high school is the most important thing you can do with your time. I encourage you to send me a message if you want to talk about it. I'm new to the forum, but I'm not new to this.
 

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I think the more palatable reason for quitting school would be because it’s in the way of something big you have been working on, and you already have the executional discipline to ensure that on the day you walk out, you’ll never need to lean on a formal education for money.

I quit in the 9th grade because I was skipping school, working with a contractor who would pay me under the table. I went to work and got a check, my friends went to school and got a report card. 20 years later, most of those friends are doing pretty shitty. Divorces, slowlane jobs, partying, debt, dumb daily decisions. The high school thing didn’t seem to matter, it was the daily decisions and actions they took over the next 20 years. A few went on to get degrees and work in higher paying jobs, engineers and the like. They’re doing about the same as me currently. My quitting was 50/50 between school in the way of work and shitty discipline. I admit it. I still fight myself on the discipline, that’s why I’m a 36 year old prospective fastlaner instead of a 36 year old retired fastlaner.

I don’t think quitting school will make you or break you. It’s what you decide to do day in and day out from here forward that will. You can quit school today and assume sole ownership of a glorious life, or you can quit the next thing, and the next, and end up putting extra caramel in @AimForTheMoon ’s latte.

Good luck on your choice, and your decisions thereafter.
 

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Whats up fastlaners,

Recently I have been thinking of the decision on whether I should drop out of high school now and take the GED test (which is extremely easy), or to stick it out and try to get my teachers on my side.

As far as high school goes, my grades at the moment are half F's and the other half D's. Yes it is sh*t, I know. I have hated school ever since the beginning of 2017, I recognize the teachers don't know sh*t and they do not even want to be there. For most of them this was their last call in life for a chance at making a decent salary. So instead of listening to their ways I chose to study by myself and self-taught myself social intelligence (psychology) within the past year, and now I have been learning programming.

If I leave school, I already have a job and would keep going there full time while studying outside of work. I would work and save till the end of Summer and move to Southern California to audit in classes since I do not want the debt.

In order for me to have a shot at graduating I have to convince my teachers to give me a shot and then I have to kick myself into gear and do a semester of work before finals. This is the difficult route compared to me getting to take the easy route and pass the GED with no trouble.

I ask for your guys advice because after you all read the millionaire fastlane, I know you understand where my mentality is at.

What do you think is better? My WADM sheet told me the GED was. Please help out and thank you for taking the time to read.

I was one of those kids that hated school. I hated getting up early, I hated rushing around to get to classes by a certain time, didn't care for most of the other students and only enjoyed about half of the learning that was taking place. Around my Junior year I struggled to even make it in to school. I would stay up all night surfing the internet and then fall asleep at 6:00 am.

I ended up getting kicked out of my high school for attendance, after failing an entire year due to never being there. All of my friends were dropping out or getting kicked out for drugs.

My Mom and Dad sort of gave up on me at this point. This hit me hard and gave me some motivation to finish. I went to an alternative school and worked my way back into my regular high school the next semester. I made the decision to finish since I was so close and had already invested 13 years.

It was a struggle every day. I did not want to be there and almost quit several times, but I kept pushing forward and only focused on finishing so I could move on to the next phase of my life. Finally getting that diploma gave me a sense of accomplishment that I had never felt before. It was a big deal for me and I believe the decision to commit and power through this frustrating thing called school made a positive impact in my life moving forward.

I can't tell you what to do or not do, but personally I'm glad I finished High School. I'm also glad I did NOT finish college :p
 

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Not only is walking across the stage a big part, but teaching myself to tough sh*t out and do things when necessary is another key component. The biggest of them all has to be me testing my word. Can I actually pull the act that I say is easy off?

While I stay on the path to graduate, Squatch also made it clear that I can still actually work on my website and teach myself things outside of class. I am not forced to go to sleep and not study. It will be my choice to skip on that if I end up doing so.

Impulses in me are strong, that is why I can only thank you guys for not actually validating my impulse and telling me to just do the damn thing. I respect that.

Take care gentlemen. Again, thank you.

@Vegallan -- a week later, are you still firm on the decision and convinced it was the right one?
 

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@Vegallan -- a week later, are you still firm on the decision and convinced it was the right one?

Hey MJ,

I have been skimming through your forum this morning researching topics as I am not attending class this morning.

Long story short, I myself did not follow through.

Cue the hatred and shaming. Yeah, I agree it is not the smartest decision. For all the future people who come across this thread with the same question I had, I say stick it through.

But also, you should not listen to my advice. After all, I myself did not so why should you? It is sort of like the life coaches or get rich gurus who tell you how to do XYZ yet they did XYZ in a total different way. Be careful who you take advice from.

The only person who really knows what you want is yourself, and a lot of introspection is needed to find out what you truly do want. We are always blinded to our true feelings by impulses, emotions, situations, etc.

The only way you can find out what you truly want is to recognize what you consistently strive after day in and day out after all the impulses, emotions, situations, etc. go away and you still have an ambition for that one thing (or multiple things).

Back on topic, I am not on the road to graduate. I will get my GED and go to community college.

For now, I have been freelancing looking to write for people and do gigs. My words and persuasion are a powerful force I see I should take advantage & help others with.

I got hired as a server at a job where I can practice my social skills and save money before I end up moving down south for college.

I can admit, it feels a bit hollow on the inside when I know I will be seeing the pictures of my peers graduating in June. But that is life. And this is a start.

I know I have not yet seen true reality and the big obstacles of my future. I understand that high school was about as easy as it gets.

Again, thank you all for your insights. I had no idea this thread would have blown up how it did. I did not expect any recognition. I expected maybe a few replies, never over a single page.

You guys have provided valuable information not only for me but for students in the future who have the same questions and difficulties as they debate one of the first significant decisions of their lives.

Take it easy guys, and continue to drop in tips for others. They bring in a lot of help for people in similar situations.
 
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Here's my quick recap of school...

I AP'd my senior year (meaning I missed a few too many classes and they were going to hold me back when I had all A's and B's) so I dropped out. I signed up for the GED test, walked in, took it, passed, done. Very easy.

High school was and is a waste of time. The school system is a con. Broken. If I knew how easy the GED test was I probably would have dropped out after freshman year, although I would have missed out on some friends I still have today.

Took a year off after GED test..got into community college. Spent 2 years there and upgraded to 4 year college before deciding it wasn't for me and dropped out.

All in all, it really depends what you want to do in life. I worked crap jobs all through school and into my 20's until finally making money on the internet in various ways and now owning a couple companies doing pretty well.

Having a college degree does help you get a good paying job, but there are so many other options out there - trade schools, entrepreneurship, creating something, coding, etc....it all depends what you want to do and finding something that will allow you to do it and live life without being slaved to a shitty job.

Also, graduation is overrated. I didn't go either. Not a big deal, but when everyone around you makes you think it is, it can be deceiving.
 
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You took the lazy/comfortable way out.

Now ask yourself:

Did you get D's and F's in school because it was the comfortable thing to do?
Did you not finish high school because it was more comfortable than grinding it out?

Or was it because it wasn't the right fit for you?

Answer that today.

Then in 6 months come back to these questions again. Write down exactly what you accomplished in 6 months time (real things, not action faking like "I read books"). Then ask yourself which category you fall into:

1) High school just wasn't for me - I'm making strides in this new environment; or
2) I'm lazy and wanted the easy way out.

If it's 2, then you need to find discipline. You can get that easiest through structured programs like college or the army.

If it's 1, then you're well on your way.

Just make sure you never lie to yourself. Lying to yourself is what separates the weak from the successful.
 

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Hi,

From what I'm reading here, I feel you are a person who is very aware, investigates and reasons well.
There is no right or wrong, there is your way, no matter what way that is!

I admire your questioning and healthy responses (from what I've seen), it tells me you'll get there no matter what you decided!

I you feel relieved and certain of your decision, which it seems like, just focus on where you want to go from here on, don't look back! Move forward only!

It wont always be easy, but that's when best things happen when you get through it.
It takes guts to do this, strength to focus and not be distracted by people who don't get it.

Good luck and have fun while getting there!

Best
 

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This whole situation reminds me of one of the 8 beliefs from unscripted; days. How society has labeled each day and says specific days are for working and others are for relaxing.

Too many things are given labels to the point where they ultimately lose their original meaning. For OP's case, the label in question is the high school diploma. If he gets it, great, but that's all it is, a label. His high school diploma is probably a lot different than a lot of other people's high school diplomas. High schools come with varying degrees of difficulty and communities, so maybe the amount of work he's put in so far is enough to get a high school diploma at another high school.

And since OP is pretty close to graduating, this reminds me of running 1600 meters around a track. If you stop a meter away from the finish line, I suppose it's foolish not to finish since you are so close already, but again, finishing the race is just a label. if you walk a meter in the opposite direction of the finish line, you technically ran 1600 meters - you just won't have the label of finishing 1600 meters.
 

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follow what you know is right, better yet follow your gut feeling.

ive met homeless college graduates with all kinds of diplomas, I've also met super wealthy people who don't even have a GED.

They were the exception, not the rule.

The rule is, people who go to college earn more than those who don't, people with more technical degrees, earn more than people without them.

For every billionaire who didn't go to college, there are 50 that did.
 

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You took the lazy/comfortable way out.

Now ask yourself:

Did you get D's and F's in school because it was the comfortable thing to do?
Did you not finish high school because it was more comfortable than grinding it out?

Or was it because it wasn't the right fit for you?

Answer that today.

Then in 6 months come back to these questions again. Write down exactly what you accomplished in 6 months time (real things, not action faking like "I read books"). Then ask yourself which category you fall into:

1) High school just wasn't for me - I'm making strides in this new environment; or
2) I'm lazy and wanted the easy way out.

If it's 2, then you need to find discipline. You can get that easiest through structured programs like college or the army.

If it's 1, then you're well on your way.

Just make sure you never lie to yourself. Lying to yourself is what separates the weak from the successful.
^^^
Was going to chip into this debate, but this says it all.
 

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You took the lazy/comfortable way out.

Now ask yourself:

Did you get D's and F's in school because it was the comfortable thing to do?
Did you not finish high school because it was more comfortable than grinding it out?

Or was it because it wasn't the right fit for you?

Answer that today.

Then in 6 months come back to these questions again. Write down exactly what you accomplished in 6 months time (real things, not action faking like "I read books"). Then ask yourself which category you fall into:

1) High school just wasn't for me - I'm making strides in this new environment; or
2) I'm lazy and wanted the easy way out.

If it's 2, then you need to find discipline. You can get that easiest through structured programs like college or the army.

If it's 1, then you're well on your way.

Just make sure you never lie to yourself. Lying to yourself is what separates the weak from the successful.

How'd you put so much wisdom in such a short post? Excellent!

High School does matter. I've known some graduates that have received an associate's degree the same time they get their High School diploma. Now there is someone going places. Impressive by any standards.

So many high schoolers think it's all about getting the knowledge. And since they have it, they can't get anything more out of school.

Laughable.

It's actually about perseverance, maturity, responsibility, and managing the first major test of this thing called life. Unlike school, in life the lessons never end.

Wait till they get a job. Oh boy.

I know a lot of people that are in charge of hiring. Most employers teach the skills and procedures for a position, to a large degree, anyway. But, still - they do care a lot about the things that will make a person a "quality" employee. And from quality employees come the quality managers/leaders of the future.

Since degrees are somewhat of a commodity - a HS diploma or GED is hardly going to make it to the list of finalists of the best job openings anyway - so it's a moot point.

I vividly remember reading: "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." Of course, there are exceptions to every rule. Time will tell if this is one of them.

It may not matter for everyone, but I always live by the maxim to never limit my options or close doors.
 

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