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Making Money With Web Design 2017/2018

Discussion in 'Hustles, Freelancing, Bootstrapping' started by Fox, Sep 25, 2017.

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    Hey sir, thanks for answering!
    I do agree that if they accepted it, we should close as soon as possible. However, in this scenario, they're just interested but they're not sure. It was a 3-5 minutes call, maybe less, no time for explaning everything/closing a deal


    Thanks Fox, it means a lot!

    Well I thought that if I was upfront about it they would feel better and see that I am by no means overpricing this service. Good to know that I shouldn't do it.

    I actually felt it on your "how to get your first client" video. I watched it the day before yesterday. I felt that your mindset is what you wrote: negotiate through phone calls.
    Yesterday I messaged a food company that is selling through a mobile app (they're a full delivery based company). This app charges 10% of the total earnings that the company has in the entire month. That's a lot and I think that if they have a website they would prolly earn more since there would be no fee.
    I sent them a message through Facebook (they don't have email, just a delivery number), asking when should I call.
    Am I getting the big picture or something is missing?
    Again, thanks!
     
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    Anyone else worried that the market will dry up and this is fruitless endeavor? The face book group has 5000 members...
     
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    The unfortunate fact is that the majority of the people in that group will not actually set an appointment to talk to a business.

    Yes, the ratio of action takers in that group is probably higher than most... but again, put a bit of thought and effort into your selling process and you’re already leagues ahead of most.

    It’s echoed on this forum a lot, but action puts you ahead of the pack every time.
     
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    No. There is no shortage of businesses that need some kind of online solution.

    Every year there are new products, services, and companies. Also every year people have new problems and new goals. Also every year millions of previously okay websites need updating or to be redesigned.

    5,000 isn’t a lot of people. Think of how many people are interested in selling on amazon (do a YouTube search and see the numbers), or how many copies a bestselling property investment book sells, and so on. There are 100s of Facebook groups for every niche and business hustle.

    Don’t stop yourself before you even start. The only real competition you will have in web design is yourself. If you can learn to sell and deliver value you will make money. You only need around 20 good clients a year to make 100k plus and you are building skill sets that easily allow you to do into saas, ecommerce, apps, and much more.

    There are other ways I make money too but I know it’s not smart to talk about them. With web design though the demand is so huge and the number of good web designers so small that it won’t change anything.
     
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    Hi Fox. I read that you outsource stuff like wordpress. I have my first client that will want to update their website periodically. How did you outsource the wordpress aspect but keep control of the original code and design?
     
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    Thanks for all the information you have shared on this forum its been invigorating! I have just completed the HTML course on Code Academy and the Udemy Course....and will be speaking to my local plumbing merchant down the road about designing a website for a small fee if they feel this will be of value to their business.

    Is it worth looking into designing Logos from scratch (not sure what type of software would be used for this) as I would like to offer a more complete package Website and Logo?

    Thanks
     
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    Hey @Fox

    I used the video you put out on your youtube channel, 31 Questions to sell a website, as a guide for my sales call to a local law firm. The questions uncovered a lot of information that I probably would not have received if I didn't pose them.

    Questions like Whats your sales process? and, What's a client worth to you? helped reveal that this attorney is paying about 15K per month for lead generation and she is very unhappy with the conversion rate. ding, ding!

    Just wanted to thank you much for the value you are putting out. Really makes me interested in your course!

    All the best to you.
     
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    For the build I set up wordpress in a subfolder and give the client access. There is no way they can damage the main site this way and also depending on the WP privileges you give them they won't be able to break anything on the WP side either. Show them how to make a post and moderate comments etc.

    As for building it I outsource WP and then usually have a maintenance plan that is set up between my client and my WP guy. I prefer making my money on the bigger deal so I usually help people out with these kind of add ons.
     
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    If you want but designing logos are a pain in the ass (unless you are getting big money for it). A website design can be based on actual principles and data while a logo is very much up the clients personal preferences. I compare it sometimes to naming someone elses baby. But ya it is possible but I usually refuse to do logo design > I let them outsource that themselves.
     
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    Perfect, glad I could help. 15k a month means you have a lot of room to make a great deal while still reducing her costs (and improving her results). Let us know how this deal goes.

    Here is the video for anyone else...

     
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    @Fox how did you know you were good enough at developing to market to clients?
    Is there a link to the facebook group? I' struggling to find it.
     
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    I just started small and got bigger as I went along.
    First job was for my uncle, then a few $100 sites, then a $2,000 lawyer, soon after a $8,000 oil field company and so on.

    Think of it like a boxer.
    You work up to a title fight, you don't practice only and then jump in the ring with a proven opponent.
    Pick little fights first and win those.
     
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    Do you charge monthly for anything? Maintenance?

    I’ve been kind of outlining 3 plans to pitch to a local business (already made an example site page for the business) and don’t really know what to charge for revisions, etc.

    I haven’t taken it super seriously yet so I haven’t taken any action other than a rough draft of pricing plans, but it gets more interesting to me everyday. Working on a little pitch.
     
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    Hey @Fox your posts are fire and thank you for sharing your experience and lessons learned in your web design journey.

    Had a question around targeting clients that hopefully you can enlighten me a bit on. When you are searching for leads and doing research, what are some of the main things you look for on their websites that help you gauge whether they'll likely need/want your service, apart from having no web presence at all (lol)?
    - i.e. incredibly antiquated design, way too much text, no [quality] images, bad layout, bad copy... i've been looking at sites for the niche I want to target in my area but some folks seem to have 'so-so' or 'decent' sites, despite being developed a few years ago. What criteria do you use to evaluate their sites and have selling points for them to find value in your service? I suppose after you picked up most of the low-hanging fruit, you developed some sort of evaluation criteria.

    Many thanks in advance and keep crushing it!
     
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    What do you guys put into your contracts? What about proposals?
     
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    Hi fox, I just watched your video on the importance of a quality website. What if the client does not have any way of driving traffic to the website? What role do you take after seeing they have no traffic? Do you simply build the website or take a more hands on approach towards it?
     
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    This thread and @Fox Youtube channel are fire. Following closely.


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    I don't but I know there is a ton of potential in doing so. If you want to think long term then having monthly reoccurring revenue is great. It stacks up fast. Maintenance plans and hosting are two great ways to go about this.

    For the main project though I usually do one set price that is a stand alone deal. I like how clean it is and I don't want to lock in with a client till I know the initial project went well.
     
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    Ill recommend a lower budget to cover some form of driving traffic. I dont want to build a site that doesnt get views - it sucks for both parties. If you want to sell results you need to make sure people will actually be using the website, its just one link in a chain.

    I made this mistake in my first year and it wasn't nice. Built some decent websites that very few people every got to use. You need to make sure your client has a plan on how to get people to use what you build otherwise its wasted money and effort.
     
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    - recap of phone call
    - overview of the value of the project and why they should move ahead
    - short preview of how the job will go about
    - payment directions and structure
    - invoice
    - blended together with more sales copywriting (it aint sold till its sold!)
     
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    Do you have any other resources on redesigning or adding on to an already coded theme for your clients? I checked out the udemy course, but $200+ is a little steep for me as of now.

    https://www.udemy.com/design-and-develop-a-killer-website-with-html5-and-css3/

    After this you will now know how to edit and work with HTML themes. What does that mean?

    Well there is no point creating a website from scratch. That takes years of coding experience and a lot of time for each new clients. Luckily enough people have gone and created HTML themes - its an already coded website where you just rearrange, switch out the pictures and text and add in a few extra bits (I will show how to do all of this at a later stage).

    Thanks
     
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    Don't pay more than ten bucks for it. It's on sale for 10 more often than not!

    By the end of it you won't want to hear a Scandinavian accent for awhile though lol.
     
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    It's on sale if you log in from Greece. Screenshot: Image 2018-06-03 at 10.14.17 AM.png
     
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