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DennisDuty, Vigilante I agree. The only one to blame, in my case..well..is ME. When I joined I didn't expect somebody else to magically hand over a 5-6 figures per year for me. I've been there once I know how hard it is to get even the smallest gain.

I joined because I constantly invest in myself, I want to learn more. The issue I see here is the "perceived value" and what it really is.

If I remember right, MJ said this: You walk in a fitness class (with the right mindset to drop weight to become healthy, to learn about it, etc) and all of a sudden a FAT guy comes and stands in front of you. That's your MENTOR. A FAT guy who know everything about the diet and getting that 6-pack abs.


Here's a thing I NEVER SEEN, EVER in any webinar, marketing /seminar, you name it:

Man, if you did this ONCE, the SAME WAY you teach us, then fine - START WITH US. We start from 0, you start from 0 with us. You fail, we fail. We ALL learn. Great thing that we have something to relay on (that you already did) but you start with us. People teach you to do this, do that, go talk to X, Y, Z bla..bla...bla...but it's actually one thing to GO TALK and other thing to simply lay out a beautiful plan. In my opinion if you don't take the same steps that we take, you're basically telling a nice story on how you succeeded. But what about that 100 A/B tests you took on the Landing Page or those 40 people you interviewed?


If the intention is to help people THEN why on earth do I see these *marketing signs* in most sales funnels (big launches):

- "We are not sure yet if we are going to accept you in the program. We'll have to think about it and send a reply in a few days"
- You JUST pay 3 payments of 997, or 97, or 1997 $ and you can have access to the program (Ohh really? Why "97" or "197" why these digits "9", "7" and not simply $1000 or $100. BECAUSE IT SELLS. That's why. X GURU discovered this. Let's follow him)
- ACT NOW. BUY NOW. ONLY 3 PLACES LEFT. CLOSING TONIGHT.
- P.S. and P.P.S at the end of the letter with the CEO signature or face
- This BONUS that it's worth $999999999 but because we are BUDDIES I'll give it for $9
- 30, 90, 365 MONEY BACK GUARANTEE
- Pay 5 figures to meet the GURU, the CEO, the MASTER in a SUPER SECRET LOCATION where..hmm...maybe you'll drink some coca cola and play football and see how great it is to be a CEO.

I've NEVER seen any of these so called "marketing tricks" at MJ. Why didn't he promote his book like this? There's no need to. It's such tremendous value inside the book.

To end this, I have nothing against Dane, it's just I can not trust what he says. I've seen too many of these "marketing tricks" that I'm sick of. It's almost to the point where it's chaotic. Don't believe me? Try your spam folder. Reverse the path of any offer you have there.

I totally feel where Adrian is coming from

as a side note I will say Pat Flynn does build a niche/authority site along with his readers and he gives answers right away as to what he did wrong and does it for free... Pat is really one of the only good guy info marketers out there-- and shockingly Dane dropped Pat Flynn's name during the advertising for the foundation-- this is one of those things that made me buy in-- Pat says its okay-- it must not be a scam


but to address another one of Adrians points...

Dane did often repeat his story of how he built his own SaaS

what I found a little odd was that Dane didn't "idea extract" the idea-- but had a family member/friend give him the idea and insist that he make it-- which to his credit he did and did very well

the whole foundation was about the concept called " idea extraction" -- and I wish Dane did the process himself live or uploaded and recorded many calls that he did-- he only uploaded 9/10 of one call he did to a pool cleaning industry

I would have LOOOVED to see Dane do a screen cast of choosing a new industry, and audio of 10-15 idea extraction calls then emails he sent out

it felt very theoretical

maybe Im just coming off as angry and sour but those are just the feelings I had
 

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Wow, $4k to be told "go find a problem in an industry, and then provide value by fixing it". You're selling your book too low MJ.

Anyway, Greg and others who did this - just keep finding problems in industries/areas. Just because you dont know software doesn't mean you cannot find another solution - there are many problems needing fixing, whether through software, hardware, or good old fashioned innovation.

Keep at it. Im going to go read this AMA now.....
 
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@GregH ; @SQT

From what you have written, you both have learned a lot. Maybe you failed indeed, but you were just millimeter off. Look how much action you took. Remember, you were both noobs in copywriting, marketing and hustle in general. You can just change your approach and try again on your own now.

It's easy to say the foundation didn't deliver as promised, but hey, are you the same after that experience? I bet it will be a lot easier if you start now again, even if it is completely different business model.




You don't need another products. Those 6 months with the foundation were enough. Change your approach and fix the mistakes you did the first time, or find another market or need and try again.



What are you waiting for?


Use that experience with the foundation. I can't focus on the fastlane at the moment, I need to hustle, but you can. Don't wait.

@GregH ; @SQT

From what you have written, you both have learned a lot. Maybe you failed indeed, but you were just millimeter off. Look how much action you took. Remember, you were both noobs in copywriting, marketing and hustle in general. You can just change your approach and try again on your own now.

It's easy to say the foundation didn't deliver as promised, but hey, are you the same after that experience? I bet it will be a lot easier if you start now again, even if it is completely different business model.


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Another model I'm considering is a product I heard Dane talk about which was his Broker Roundtable. You create a series of interviews with top brokers providing actionable insights that can helps brokers make more money. You sell the first interview for really cheap, then charge a higher monthly fee for 1 interview a month. I believe this model can lead to a SaaS because you're already getting to know the market so you can find out what kind of SaaS would help them. You can apply this model to a bunch of different professions/industries.
You don't need another products. Those 6 months with the foundation were enough. Change your approach and fix the mistakes you did the first time, or find another market or need and try again.

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okay so If I had to do it all over again--

here is what id do

1)I would choose a good market
2) Id start a blog geared towards helping people in that market solve their problems
3) Id ask business owners to interview them and post the interview on my blog so that they will get traffic/visibility/ect. aka something in it for them-- make them want to talk to me, rather than me pulling teeth like before
4) Id post a lot of interviews and blog posts and videos ect.. just solid and good content about problems in the market and how people are solving them
5) Id then start an email list and build it up
6) id try my best to find answers to problems they have and post good content
7) id wait a while and finally start to post surveys or just email my list any problems related to _______ ( anything that could be solved I think with software)
8) id do a quick mockup of what the software would do and ask my audience ( who now trusts me) if they would be interested in this product
9) It would be easy to sell/presell to my audience and validate the idea that way
What are you waiting for?
another problem that I found out later is that the one student who had the most success in the foundation had a side consulting business to pay for the development-- LOTS of money was needed here

dane said that no money was not an issue as you get other people to pay for development ala kickstarter

from what I saw not many people made that happen and a lot of money and experience is needed to actually code
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Ive moved on because I have a very icky feeling from it all-- the marketing ploys-- the new age mindset zen like thing-- I just want to move on to E-commerce and try to sell physical products and if I find success in that MAYBE down the line id look into software... maybe
 
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Wow, $4k to be told "go find a problem in an industry, and then provide value by fixing it". You're selling your book too low MJ.

Anyway, Greg and others who did this - just keep finding problems in industries/areas. Just because you dont know software doesn't mean you cannot find another solution - there are many problems needing fixing, whether through software, hardware, or good old fashioned innovation.

Keep at it. Im going to go read this AMA now.....
I agree there are MANY problems out there-- its just knowing what you're getting yourself into before you do it

I was overwhelmed bc the way the course was sold was that ANYONE could this no matter WHAT...

then I when I in-- I felt in over my head lost and confused

if I went in again I might be able to succeed but knowing what I know now, I would choose a different business type
 

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I appreciate you ex-students of the Foundation for doing this AMA. I applied for The Foundation but just cancelled it (spam folder'd those e-mails). I'd much rather take my chances on my own ventures with $4000 and learn from my own mistakes. No offense or anything, I'm sure The Foundation provides some insight. But from everything that you all have mentioned...someone could just use that $4k to hire a trustworthy developer if they go the SaaS route.
 
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I appreciate you ex-students of the Foundation for doing this AMA. I applied for The Foundation but just cancelled it (spam folder'd those e-mails). I'd much rather take my chances on my own ventures with $4000 and learn from my own mistakes. No offense or anything, I'm sure The Foundation provides some insight. But from everything that you all have mentioned...someone could just use that $4k to hire a trustworthy developer if they go the SaaS route.
no problem!

my goal here was not to scare people away from the foundation just provide an honest feedback for what you can expect and what my experiences were-- glad my experienced helped out!
 

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Everyone -

Thanks so much for this thread and providing so much insight about the Foundation. I am [still] on the fence and am unsure if I'm going to join.

My question is (for all past students of the Foundation) why did students like Renata (37 Year Old Female Lumberjack Transforms To Traveling Entrepreneur | The Foundation [I'm sure some of you got this email if you're on the Foundation list]) "succeed" and you guys didn't in your opinion?

I know there are a lot of variables that come into play (some "luck" being one of them) but I'm curious to hear more about what you guys think.

EDIT: Besides her mindset changing, what type of SAAS business did she end up making?

Thanks!
Irwin
 

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My question is (for all past students of the Foundation) why did students like Renata (37 Year Old Female Lumberjack Transforms To Traveling Entrepreneur | The Foundation [I'm sure some of you got this email if you're on the Foundation list]) "succeed" and you guys didn't in your opinion?

EDIT: Besides her mindset changing, what type of SAAS business did she end up making?
From Dane's current AMA here...

Renata - who didn't make software, but is now selling $10,000 custom website jobs and she's not doing any of the work - using her mindset she learned and mentornship from an awesome Foundation member Amit.
Also, see this post here about some successful students of the foundation:

https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/fastlane/48011-dane-maxwell-ama-saas-membership-sites-education.html#post300142
 
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Everyone -

Thanks so much for this thread and providing so much insight about the Foundation. I am [still] on the fence and am unsure if I'm going to join.

My question is (for all past students of the Foundation) why did students like Renata (37 Year Old Female Lumberjack Transforms To Traveling Entrepreneur | The Foundation [I'm sure some of you got this email if you're on the Foundation list]) "succeed" and you guys didn't in your opinion?

I know there are a lot of variables that come into play (some "luck" being one of them) but I'm curious to hear more about what you guys think.

EDIT: Besides her mindset changing, what type of SAAS business did she end up making?

Thanks!
Irwin
sure no problem

Renata didnt build a SaaS company-- Im sure she learned a lot of marketing and sales during the 6 months... the whole "mindset" thing that they use I think can be sometimes over the top

They act as if they are Morpheus and they plug you into a machine and totally re-wire your entire thought process and once you have "it" there is nothing that can stop you : /

they do push for a mindset change/ limiting beliefs / ways to think about business-- but I personally didn't transform into an unstoppable entrepreneur-- BUT I did learn a lot about sales and marketing


Renata I think succeeded in a way that I wasnt shooting for-- I was going for SaaS

I think the reason why I didnt succeed were
- I was a total noob in sales, marketing, copywriting--this made me fall behind
- didnt know much about SaaS or software or what it could or could not do--again I was far behind
-didnt choose the right markets
-didnt get the right personal help
-didnt ask good enough questions when I did have help
- I didnt agree with the way they taught and pushed limiting beliefs which caused me to doubt and be skeptical about much they said
- I knew I didn't have enough money to build out a solid SaaS after seeing how much money it would cost
-maybe just didn't want it enough? I dunno
- ultimately I cant pinpoint why I failed--
 

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sure no problem
-maybe just didn't want it enough? I dunno
- ultimately I cant pinpoint why I failed--
Greg, I am not advocating for (or against) The Foundation. I know nothing about this organization. However, I would like to address how you are characterizing your experiences......

Once, on an 8 hour road trip, my husband and I listened to a business podcast (can't remember what the podcast was). The speaker was the founder of a very successful company. She characterized her "failures" as "learning experiences" and her "sunk costs" as "founder's tuition."

If I told you how much my household had spent on "founder's tuition," I would probably throw up. Seriously. Continuing to employ people who were not working out, having a build it and they will come philosophy, trusting without verifying....Our list of mistakes is long and costly. You seem able to identify, specifically, a number of things that kept you from your goal. Ultimately, being able to do that will take you there. Even if your end goal is not in software, you seem to have learned some things from your experience with The Foundation, which is why I challenge you to re-phrase your experience....It was a learning experience, not a failure!
 

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Like amyq I see it as a win win situation. If we don't like the platform that does not stop us from taking notes and learning something. That is perhaps why everyone has been gentle in their criticism. People that are entrepreneurial know that they solve everyday problems for the world. Nothing more nothing less. It is up ourselves to persevere or give in. The foundation may be a help for some. I observe with interest the business system and have listened to all freely available data, podcasts and videos loving every minute of it. Most of us can fill in the missing gaps. Bad decisions are made everyday by all. I try to learn , somtimes failing bad at the simple stuff. I just wish bad decisions were not so expensive lol.
 

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Gregh and others here who have taken the class; in Danes thread he mentions a money back guarantee if you don't leave with a working business. I wonder why did you not get a refund for the given service if you were not satisfied and left unsuccessfull?
 
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Gregh and others here who have taken the class; in Danes thread he mentions a money back guarantee if you don't leave with a working business. I wonder why did you not get a refund for the given service if you were not satisfied and left unsuccessfull?
Upon reading what Dane wrote in this very forum; I decided to ask for a refund.. I met the criteria for a refund exactly... I sent my request for a refund in last night sept 10 at 10:30 pm EST-- I am awaiting an answer-- Ill let you guys know when I get an answer
 
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Greg, I am not advocating for (or against) The Foundation. I know nothing about this organization. However, I would like to address how you are characterizing your experiences......

Once, on an 8 hour road trip, my husband and I listened to a business podcast (can't remember what the podcast was). The speaker was the founder of a very successful company. She characterized her "failures" as "learning experiences" and her "sunk costs" as "founder's tuition."




If I told you how much my household had spent on "founder's tuition," I would probably throw up. Seriously. Continuing to employ people who were not working out, having a build it and they will come philosophy, trusting without verifying....Our list of mistakes is long and costly. You seem able to identify, specifically, a number of things that kept you from your goal. Ultimately, being able to do that will take you there. Even if your end goal is not in software, you seem to have learned some things from your experience with The Foundation, which is why I challenge you to re-phrase your experience....It was a learning experience, not a failure!
well technically I did fail-- and it was learning experience

one of things I learned was how to market and sell an info product haha ( but seriously)

the biggest thing I learned was how to talk to people on the phone
 

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Gregh.

I am confused here. Dane makes it seem in his AMA that refunds are both transparent and and a regular occurrence. What are your thoughts on this? We're you ever informed of the possibility of a refund before, during, or after the course? Do you know of other students who have gotten a refund?
 
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Gregh.

I am confused here. Dane makes it seem in his AMA that refunds are both transparent and and a regular occurrence. What are your thoughts on this? We're you ever informed of the possibility of a refund before, during, or after the course? Do you know of other students who have gotten a refund?
In the video on the squeeze page that first got me into the foundation, Dane had promised we would have a business with paying customers and our lives would be totally changed or our money back-- that really helped me say Yes

during the course, the topic of refunds just didnt come up. From Dane or any students we were all working on the material

after the course; not that I know of, there was no mention of a refund-- I could be mistaken, but I didnt see anything about it


I had actually considered asking for a refund near the end-- but people kept telling me "limiting beliefs" "you're almost there", "keep going,just keep taking action"... add this on the fact that during the course it was often mentioned that the ones who made it happen were the ones who didnt QUIT--

after the 6 months I quit for a little bit then tried back at it for a little bit-- reading and seeing how others were doing it, there was even a meet up set up by students... I was still involved a little but after a while of thinking it over I just concluding Im in over my head, I dont know what Im doing and Im lost and dont know where to go... I wasnt seeing many fellow students having great success so I just cut loose

Then when I re-read Dane's comments about refunds on this forum It reminded me that I ended up with nothing, had no business, no customers and my life/mind wasn't dramatically changed and reprogrammed or w/e he said.. and I also wasnt very happy with the course.. thats what made me finally pull the trigger and ask for a refund

to my knowledge, none of the people I talked to in the foundation asked for refunds-- there are many people still working hard at it and I don't doubt they will be successful in the future; this course just wasnt for me :/

we'll see what happens
 

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Greg, hey man. I'm compiling an awesome video reply to address your questions and comments.

It was hard to hear. But thank you.

Your refund will totally be granted dude.

I'm really sorry you don't feel it was worth the money.

Be awaiting that video reply here brother :)
 

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Wow, it took months for GregH to decide to ask for a refund.

It took a whole 14 minutes to find out "what happens."

Looks like Dane is an action taker to me. No disrespect intended, GregH, I'm just saying, this is all out in public for us all to see.

IMHO, Dude, I think you should have asked for a redo on enrollment, not a refund. But, that's me.
 

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"sunk costs" as "founder's tuition."
i'll have to use that phrase with my wife...
 

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Greg, hey man. I'm compiling an awesome video reply to address your questions and comments.

It was hard to hear. But thank you.

Your refund will totally be granted dude.

I'm really sorry you don't feel it was worth the money.

Be awaiting that video reply here brother :)
Solid
 

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Greg,

Thank you so much for being so open (I read your previous posts on this thread - thanks for starting it too btw).

Like you mentioned, although you didn't see immediate success you definitely learned a whole lot that you will take with you in your future entrepreneurial efforts.

I wish you the best!
Irwin

sure no problem

Renata didnt build a SaaS company-- Im sure she learned a lot of marketing and sales during the 6 months... the whole "mindset" thing that they use I think can be sometimes over the top

They act as if they are Morpheus and they plug you into a machine and totally re-wire your entire thought process and once you have "it" there is nothing that can stop you : /

they do push for a mindset change/ limiting beliefs / ways to think about business-- but I personally didn't transform into an unstoppable entrepreneur-- BUT I did learn a lot about sales and marketing


Renata I think succeeded in a way that I wasnt shooting for-- I was going for SaaS

I think the reason why I didnt succeed were
- I was a total noob in sales, marketing, copywriting--this made me fall behind
- didnt know much about SaaS or software or what it could or could not do--again I was far behind
-didnt choose the right markets
-didnt get the right personal help
-didnt ask good enough questions when I did have help
- I didnt agree with the way they taught and pushed limiting beliefs which caused me to doubt and be skeptical about much they said
- I knew I didn't have enough money to build out a solid SaaS after seeing how much money it would cost
-maybe just didn't want it enough? I dunno
- ultimately I cant pinpoint why I failed--
 

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Hypothetical question...

If someone reads my book but can't sell, can't write, and can't communicate and yet this reader "takes action" for a few weeks, and doesn't get results, does that make my book a scam? Does that make me any less of an instructor?


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Your refund will totally be granted dude.
Impressive. Responsive. No fight. No resistance. This is how you run a business and stand behind it. (BTW, I doubt Kiyosaki would be handing out refunds after his $10K seminars.)
 

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Disclaimer: I don't have strong feelings one way or another on whether the foundation is a good investment or not. To each his own.

on one hand I think there is always room for more hustle and hard work and thinking through problems-- I think if someone held my family hostage and said they would kill them unless i started a SaaS business that I very well might have had a few paying customers
I think you could have too.
If there's some imaginable situation where you could have pulled it off with the right motivation... and you didn't try THAT HARD... then you didn't try hard enough.
You had the ability but didn't do everything needed to succeed.

I worked really hard
I guess what I'm saying is: Whether or not you have a mentor, whether or not you join a program, whether or not you have leadership or guidance... working "really hard" just isn't enough. "Trying" isn't enough.
[video=youtube;BQ4yd2W50No]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4yd2W50No[/video]

if I succeed, it was bc of the foundation, if I failed its my fault
If you succeed, it's because of you. If you fail, it's because of you.

In once scenario you have a mentor/coach to help guide you. In the other scenario you don't. One way might reduce friction... but either way if's the individual that determines their own success.

Like I said.. the foundation isn't my cup of tea. Infomercials playing at 3AM describing a complete guide to making money aren't either. But that doesn't mean that they "don't work".

I think that when people pay money towards things like that, and it doesn't work out... it's very easy to blame it on the course.

Perhaps you're right and you weren't ready. Maybe you didn't have the prerequisite skills needed to succeed. You didn't have the copywriting skill, the marketing skill, the sales skill. Maybe dane needs to put some tighter requirements on who signs up... or makes a prerequisite course they must take first.

The reason you're not where you want to be is because you didn't push hard enough. It's not an insult. I feel the same way about myself. Learning to push harder is something that comes through failure. Not knowing you're capable of pushing harder might be a "self limiting belief" we have to learn to work through.
 

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Dane,

In the other thread you made me cringe when you started in with the I dont need money, I have enough to live the rest of my life, blah blah, I am only here to help people bit you got going, but you coming on this thread and offering a refund is great and will probably go a long way in selling more deals for you.

What you are going down with Gregh is a slippery slope though. If you dont learn you will get your money back. If you come to a forum and post you will get your money back.

Sadly, My bet you could layout an exact plan (and I mean exact, buy this for this... sell it for that... and here is the person who will buy it) for people to make a million bucks in the next 12 months and still 90% will fail. <thus the slippery slope..

But did they learn something? I believe GregH did. and having said that,

GregH,

Do you feel you learned zero, what is the worth of your experience? I think you learned a lot. So asking for a full refund is unfair to Dane and what he tried to do in helping you.
 

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I have to disagree with some of the responses here. I don't believe inaction was the sole problem. If Dane said that he could take basically anyone, even with no prior knowledge, and show them how to create a profitable SaaS business in six months. Then that's what he should have been able to do.

IMHO if the student doesn't have any prior experience with writing copy, marketing, selling, idea extraction, and programming/outsourcing, then I don't think there's any way in hell this can be learned in six months time (in a group session) no matter how much action one takes.

In any case I believe you have to take some "calculated action" not just "action". Telling someone that they didn't "try hard enough", or didn't "take enough action" is bullshit! if you take a person with no prior experience, and throw a ton of material at them that they have never seen before. Then expect them to not only retain everything, but put it into action in a very short period of time. What do you think the results are going to be? This is like taking a first grader and throwing him/her into a sixth grade class, and expecting them to perform at a sixth grade level. Effective?

I think the efficacy of telling someone to "take action" or "try harder" is nil. Unless that person has a clear cut direction, how/when do they take action?

There are people on this forum that throw these empty terms around regularly thinking it helps, apparently? If you don't have anything to offer other than "take action man", I don't believe you are truly helping anyone. I, for one, never found it helpful!

Just my .02
 
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Greg, hey man. I'm compiling an awesome video reply to address your questions and comments.

It was hard to hear. But thank you.

Your refund will totally be granted dude.

I'm really sorry you don't feel it was worth the money.

Be awaiting that video reply here brother :)
thank you Dane
 
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Wow, it took months for GregH to decide to ask for a refund.

It took a whole 14 minutes to find out "what happens."

Looks like Dane is an action taker to me. No disrespect intended, GregH, I'm just saying, this is all out in public for us all to see.

IMHO, Dude, I think you should have asked for a redo on enrollment, not a refund. But, that's me.

Are you saying Im not an action taker because I didnt take action asking for a refund right away? Guess what I was doing? Taking action

and yes it is out for all to see, I didnt plan on Dane talking with me here, rather on email, but you notice I didn't hide my real name.. Im fine with it being public... kuddos to Dane

redo on enrollment-- I don't think SaaS is right for me... Ive spent many months at this and when seeing how it all works and what actually goes into-- The idea of SaaS just what I want-- I thought it was something other than what it is ( and I dont mean too much hard work)
but I see where you're coming from--

I don't think I am being unfair, Dane's promise helped get me into the foundation and he stood by his word and honored that promise.. where is the unfairness?
 
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Hypothetical question...

If someone reads my book but can't sell, can't write, and can't communicate and yet this reader "takes action" for a few weeks, and doesn't get results, does that make my book a scam? Does that make me any less of an instructor?


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Your refund will totally be granted dude.
Impressive. Responsive. No fight. No resistance. This is how you run a business and stand behind it. (BTW, I doubt Kiyosaki would be handing out refunds after his $10K seminars.)
No I don't think so MJ,

I read your book and I really liked it-- I think the main difference is that you didn't make bold claims and specific promises

and Yes, Dane's response was a breath of fresh air-- he's a good guy in general, which is why I didnt think it would be a problem
 

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