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^ I need to stop this experiment prematurely because I'm not even 10 minutes in and I'm starting to get a headache (literarily).

This is the amount of garbage that he was able to spit out in 10 minutes:
  • you are not responsible for your life and your problems, it's the economy that is doing it to you
  • some people are very rich and apparently this is unfair and a problem for him personally
  • he emphasized repeatedly that some people earn more money in a day than your yearly salary, which again is apparently a big problem for him
  • brought gender pay gap into discussion, which has been thoroughly debunked in the past (has nothing to do with systemic discrimination, but rather the men's choices in regards to their work - longer hours, having kids later, working dangerous jobs etc.)
  • "no employee will pay you more than the value you generate for the company" - if this was true the economy would skyrocket. Truth of the matter is that a large proportion of people do a shitty job and are actually overpaid. This is actually a huge problem for companies, because only a tiny fraction of competent people produce most of the value, the rest are slacking off. In a socialist system this problem gets exacerbated because there is no incentive to work hard.
  • 0 sum mindset: "hiring people means exploiting them". No. Hiring people means empowering them. One worker can build a wood shack, 10 can build a house, 100 can build a school, 1000 can build a skyscraper. People can do amazing things when they collaborate together - there is nothing exploitative about this.

And this is just in one video, first 10 minutes.

What he promotes is not only an economic system, it's a life philosophy predicated on pure hatred, envy, dissatisfaction, learned helplessness, and a complete lack of personal responsibility.

Evil.

What scares me is the fact that he has 1.5M subscribers and a very high approval rating (likes/dislikes).
Probably the channel is built more for high schoolers who do not have decent life experience.

If business are exploiting workers unfairly why not everyone just start their own business. Pretty much one argument to end the debate. Why not just earn 10-100 times as the average person underservingly?

The origin of socialism welfare was to have relief for soldiers who come back from war, or for families whose men didn’t come back. That’s why we say citizens have “rights” but also “obligation”. But modern day weapons are so advanced that most country only needs a small pool of professional army. The world is largely at peace. We don’t need that kind of old social contract anymore. Any form of excessive social welfare become rights without obligations and are fundamentally unsustainable.

That’s why when socialist policies lasted for long, eventually the government went broke and a more right leaning reformist (Reagan, Thatcher) come to power.

There can be very good argument for government role in the economy. But the creator is not perceptive enough to know them. A lot of research in science and technology have more than 20 years of cycles before you can see meaningful return. Private enterprise simply are not interested in that kind of research that don’t see any return in the next 3-5 years at most. Most of the technology breakthrough are actually passed over from military research to civilian use, internet for example.

Another case is institutions and regulation. How do you know that the food you eat is safe? How do you know that your money in the bank account is not misappropriated? There are industry standards and checks in place. Without the framework there is lack of trust for any proper market functioning.
 
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Those guys are always in on the hustle. Guaranteed he is stacking cash behind the scenes.

No way you can run a successful YouTube channel and not start to see how life real is as a business owner. But he can also see this is a good hungry audience for this nonsense - give them a clear enemy for their victim mindset.

It’s like the BLM leaders who promote one thing and then go buy a $6m mansion with peoples donation money in an all white neighborhood.
 

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Those guys are always in on the hustle. Guaranteed he is stacking cash behind the scenes.

No way you can run a successful YouTube channel and not start to see how life real is as a business owner. Surely he sees what he is saying is pure trash.

It’s like the BLM leaders who promote one thing and then go buy a mansion with peoples donation money in an all white neighborhood.
I think he captured a market that no one thinks it exists.

The earlier days (10-15 years ago) social media and forums was filled with libertarian and ayn rand fanboys.
 

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A lot of research in science and technology have more than 20 years of cycles before you can see meaningful return. Private enterprise simply are not interested in that kind of research that don’t see any return in the next 3-5 years at most. Most of the technology breakthrough are actually passed over from military research to civilian use, internet for example.
You sound ChatGPT sure of yourself.

None of this is true.

Most? Please. That is nonsense. Internet isn’t “most technology.”

No one seeks to spend longer than they have to on research. Commercial viability and return for investors is incredibly important, and that’s why they’re incentivized to move faster. Technology THAT MATTERS TO CIVILIANS emerges despite government, not because of it. It’s unquestionably faster without red tape and there’s no set amount of time to study something before it becomes viable. Money flows to projects with more promise.

And per “the military invented the internet” rhetoric… That’s not even close to the again commercially viable and purposeful internet we use today. The internet may have been invented by the government in the sense that they hooked a couple computers together and called it the internet, but its civilian usefulness was invented by free market.
 
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Those guys are always in on the hustle. Guaranteed he is stacking cash behind the scenes.

No way you can run a successful YouTube channel and not start to see how life real is as a business owner. But he can also see this is a good hungry audience for this nonsense - give them a clear enemy for their victim mindset.

It’s like the BLM leaders who promote one thing and then go buy a $6m mansion with peoples donation money in an all white neighborhood.
Exactly.

That's what I meant by this:

What's he selling his audience, or does he just get revenue from YouTube ads?

I wouldn't be surprised if he's just creating videos to appeal to an audience.

Not that I'll watch any of them.
 

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I think you made a mistake, you meant to say "Capitalism is the great evil of todays society". Don't go pushing those lies Kyle!!!!
 
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Exactly.

That's what I meant by this:



I wouldn't be surprised if he's just creating videos to appeal to an audience.

Not that I'll watch any of them.
The audience alarms me more than him and his attitude. A huge number of people clearly think that way whether it’s calculated or not.

Although I’m not surprised that people are this brainwashed. What percent of people go to or went to government schools? How much mainstream news media do those people watch daily?

The world is literally designed to elicit feelings of jealousy and envy towards others for political gain.

It’s a lot easier to call some rich guy an a**hole and blame him for your constituents’ problems than to tell people to take responsibility for themselves. So anyone who wants power and influence uses the former.

Our world is a product of extreme intentional use of that manipulation.

I feel like the only way to be truly happy is to see this all for what it is. I’m convinced there’s no such thing as a happy manipulated, socialist, sheep.
 
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You sound ChatGPT sure of yourself.
Lol. How long before that's in common use? Kyle said it here first.
 

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I know I am going to regret this, but I am going to watch some of this socialist garbage videos for experimental purposes.

We're only 40 seconds into a video, and a "gold nugget" of "pure wisdom" has exited this socialist's mouth:

"Many of your biggest problems in your life are either caused or worsened by capitalism"

Yeah, such as food, clean water, clothing, medical care and modern infrastructure. I also appreciate the huge amount of personal responsibility this guy is taking. Even Jocko Willink would be proud.


I can't believe I am doing this. Will probably lose a few IQ points in the process.
Wish me luck boys.
Those kinds of socialist YouTubers are categorized as "breadtubers." Ironically it's a title they gave themselves, especially considering their ideas end in bread lines.
 

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The audience alarms me more than him and his attitude.

Yes, the video doesn't concern or bother me.

The 1.5 million idiot subscribers seething in envy and victimhood is more of my concern. But it also perfectly explains the state of culture nowadays. Morons elect morons, dead people, golden retrievers, and senile puppets incapable of delivering a coherent sentence.
 

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I have friends, I thought they are really on top 20% of IQ and social competence.
And they really believe such shit. So I know a big percentage of people do.
And that can be a real content of life.
 
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The audience alarms me more than him and his attitude.
The 1.5 million idiot subscribers seething in envy and victimhood is more of my concern.

That's exactly what scared me the most. The fact that there's a large audience eager to listen to this.

This idiot might only be putting on a show, or he might genuinely believe in what he's preaching. My personal guess is that he actually believes it (based on his pathetic voice and facial expression).

Either way, the harm is done to the young and inexperienced. They venture into the world and get hit by the harsh realities of life. They search online for guidance, and they find this kinds of videos which are basically a tutorial on how to moan, cry, be entitled, and blame the world for your problems.

Socialism always starts from the bottom up.
If enough people adopt this entitled victim mindset, start being bitter about other's achievements, and start blaming the successful people for their own misery, the society starts to gradually deteriorate until it collapses.

So this kind of bullshit needs to be called out.
 

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So this kind of bullshit needs to be called out.
If only there was an alternative media… Something that touted responsibility and you happening to the world instead of the world happening to you.

If only there was SOMEONE willing to say that business is a good thing, and make a frequently compelling case why. If only someone would be willing to explain why limiting beliefs aren’t their limited reality.

If only someone created inspiring content two to three times a week for two years, and still manages to publish something new every week that intelligently flies in the face of such drivel.

Oh yeah, it exists and only the few care about the truth. That’s why there will always be an “evil” 1% and a bunch of tyrants that think stealing from them will solve all their problems.
 
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You sound ChatGPT sure of yourself.

None of this is true.

Most? Please. That is nonsense. Internet isn’t “most technology.”

No one seeks to spend longer than they have to on research. Commercial viability and return for investors is incredibly important, and that’s why they’re incentivized to move faster. Technology THAT MATTERS TO CIVILIANS emerges despite government, not because of it. It’s unquestionably faster without red tape and there’s no set amount of time to study something before it becomes viable. Money flows to projects with more promise.

And per “the military invented the internet” rhetoric… That’s not even close to the again commercially viable and purposeful internet we use today. The internet may have been invented by the government in the sense that they hooked a couple computers together and called it the internet, but its civilian usefulness was invented by free market.
The investment cycles are different. Private enterprise simply don’t have unlimited budget to do research that has no hope of getting any return in ten years.

Research in foundation science like quantum mechanic for instance. A lot of the medical research today are done in universities with government assisted funding.

Private commercial companies do what they are good at, adapting quickly to consumer needs and wants cost effectively. Internet is a perfect example that government effort and private innovation complement each other.
 
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I believe you should be wary of advice and quotes from famous people who were depressed or committed suicide. Sometimes what people consider “deep” is actually just nihilistic and defeatist.
"You can lead a revolution just by slogans"
- Jay Dyer
 

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I believe you should be wary of advice and quotes from famous people who were depressed or committed suicide. Sometimes what people consider “deep” is actually just nihilistic and defeatist.
Probably too deep for you to understand. :playful:
 
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I believe you should be wary of advice and quotes from famous people who were depressed or committed suicide. Sometimes what people consider “deep” is actually just nihilistic and defeatist.

Unfortunately, I think that it's a brain malfunction/genetic predisposition. I've gone through a lot of stuff physically and mentally that would've made a lot of my friends commit suicide. And yet, I never entertained the thought.

On the other hand, I have friends who have talked to me about having suicidal thoughts, and I would consider their problems to be very mild and easily fixable. Those friends are either addicted to gambling or do not have a woman in their lives (OR are still living with their parents).

Physical activity, good sleep, lots of Vitamin D, love, and having a purpose/finding meaning in something greater than yourself has worked for me. Oh, and being very selective of the music I listen to as I'm very sensitive to that. In fact, I rarely listen to modern music anymore, it's mostly jazz/classical/Sinatra & Dean Martin era hits.

Interestingly, I have an equal amount of male and female acquaintances, and while I know of at least a dozen guys who had/have been suicidal, I can only ever recall two girls being like that.
 
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I just remembered I deleted Twitter off my phone a couple of weeks ago. Just goes to show how much I miss it.
 

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Just saw a Shopify ad of Mr Beast talking about how easy it is to start a business..

He knows DAMN WELL It's not easy, how could someone who worked as hard as him say something like that
 
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Just saw a Shopify ad of Mr Beast talking about how easy it is to start a business..

He knows DAMN WELL It's not easy, how could someone who worked as hard as him say something like that
Working hard doesn't mean it's not easy.

I think it's easy to start a business.

Help, entertain, educate, or otherwise serve people and get paid for it.

The hard part is to keep doing the right thing every day, and to not overcomplicate it.

Most people's problem is they get in their own way and overcomplicate everything (aka solve problems they don't have).
 

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That's exactly what scared me the most. The fact that there's a large audience eager to listen to this.
Stop watching these videos and adding to the large audience! Views go up, idiots think what is popular must be true and all of you here who watched it only made it more popular.

Guy is a businessman. He makes money one way he knows how. What he actually believes we’ll never know.
 

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Stop watching these videos and adding to the large audience!
I wasn't even able to finish one whole video because I was cringing so hard.

But I think that bad ideas need to be discussed (read: torn apart), like we did in this thread, and like @Kak did in his podcast.
 

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Does anyone own a Tesla and would you recommend one?

Thinking about buying one with the recent price declines, plus the Federal Tax Credit makes it incredibly tempting.

I wasn't even able to finish one whole video because I was cringing so hard.

The market to convince people that their failures are not their fault and "systemic" will always be larger than the market for taking responsibility. Blame is an event and a crutch. Taking responsibility is a process and an endeavor.
 
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bad ideas need to be discussed (read: torn apart)

Hard to disagree with the above statement. Yes, when you see a wrong you should do something about it. That said, sometimes the right thing to do is to do nothing.

The other way could be to take a different and opposing idea and then give it life, discuss it etc.

Bashing that video is what the creator is hoping you'd do. All he wants is eyeballs on the video. On this forum you won't find anyone agreeing with that material (unless they got lost on the internet). But on the fringes of viewership, he'll get enough of those who actually believe what he's selling and just didn't find him yet. You won't change their minds. And remember, your mind is set too (you couldn't even finish watching it).

Sometimes, the best thing to do is not to say anything about something that's wrong and instead focus on promoting something that is right. It could be a cause, an idea or even just reading a book. The world needs more people thinking and discussing in positive ways. It's a small contribution but it can lead to bigger, better things. So instead of wasting our energy debating the wrongs laid out in that video, let's focus on doing something positive and meaningful with those same energies!
 

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