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Slightly off topic, but you can look into:
  • Weight lifting to strengthen your back
  • Seeing a physio
  • Seeing a piano teacher on correct posture
  • Finding a tension specialist for pianists
For the guitar playing world, there is teacher called Jamie Andreas who has done some amazing work in creating exercises that help guitar players solve tension problems. Given the piano is much older than guitar, I would expect there to be many techniques for solving tension problems.
Thank you for all the insights here. My back and neck are good.
My comment was for @MJ DeMarco. As he's mentioned his love for piano but inability to play due to an old injury, I'm determined to encourage him to resolve this. These are great points.
 

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Thank you for all the insights here. My back and neck are good.
My comment was for @MJ DeMarco. As he's mentioned his love for piano but inability to play due to an old injury, I'm determined to encourage him to resolve this. These are great points.
Thanks for the clarification!
 
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@MJ DeMarco congrats on the results! So good to hear you are doing better.

I've been sliding between 16/8 and 20/4 off and on for over a year.

I love it but my biggest problem is falling off on some days when I have to meet others for business.

It seemingly is all centered around food. Either breakfast or lunch meetings. I have a real weakness there. If I meet for breakfast, I'll end up eating 3 regular squares that day and fall off my plan.

No big deal really, but I do tend to overeat at those times. On those days, even when I'm not really hungry, my mind is thinking about what to eat next. It has shown me how much the mind plays on our eating habits.
I'm sure there is some information out there on this subject, so if anyone has something in this regard to bring to the table (pun intended) feel free to post. I'd love to understand this more.
 

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I'm eating clean right now, but will say that I'm a junk food addict. I love pizza, ice cream, cheesecake, etc. I'm addicted to sugar and cheese.

And that's why IF is perfect for me when cutting.

In my personal experience, if you limit your eating window then two things happen:
  1. You don't have cravings outside of your window. So let's say your window is 1pm to 8pm. From 8pm to 1pm the next day you don't care about eating. You know those late night snacks you ate because you were "hungry"? On intermittent fasting (after the first two weeks) you stop getting those cravings and just naturally cut down on the number of "bad" calories that you're eating.
  2. Food tastes better. The first meal I eat of the day is always amazing. Foods that I usually would consider bland are several times better because I no longer have that "numbness" to taste.
These two factors naturally make it easier for you to get lean.

Now to answer your question if it's plausible to get leaner eating junk food, I'd say yeah if your calories stay low. But what you will lose is more muscle due to the lack of protein, the speed at which you get results, and the difficulty in cutting increases because junk food isn't as filling as other high volume foods (salad takes up a lot more space in your stomach but has next to no calories, whereas a twinkie takes up very little space and has a ton of calories).

By the way, I'm not an expert on IF, but I've read a couple books, a handful blog posts, and experimented myself until I figured out what works for me.

For you that's what's most important. Start testing, tracking progress, and then figure out which formula works. What works for me might not work for you.

When tracking progress, make sure to buy a body fat monitor. That's the #1 indicator if you're getting results or not. You can experiment with IF and junk food for a couple weeks and see if your body fat goes down. If it doesn't, then you need to change up your routine.
What body fat monitor do you use/recommend?

Edit: Nevermind, saw your later post on the one you use.
 
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I had a really solid period of a few months last year where I did OMAD (one meal a day) and I found it hugely beneficial.

Not only did I lose weight, which was needed, but I had SO much mental clarity during the day whilst working.

Eating and spiking my blood sugar messes me up. If I have a big breakfast or lunch at the office it completely screws my day.

Determined to get back into OMAD on the weekdays next week. Or at minimum a fast until mid-afternoon.

Will keep you posted on progress!
 

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Thinking of doing another 3-day fast soon, probably Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday (last meal on Tuesday, the first meal after the fast on Saturday, so technically that would be more than 72 hours). Water only.

Anyone interested in joining?

I'll be doing it either way soon, but perhaps someone wants to start on the same day and exchange thoughts during the fast.
 
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I'd be game but I can't do it those days. Will be on a road trip with others and I'm afraid it would kind of spoil the trip for all of us..
I've been consistently doing OMAD for the last week now and feel great. I seem to change up every week or 10 days and go back to 16:8 or 20:4.

Question regarding the 3 day fast.

Do you ever feel you have to 'emotionally' break the fast after going that long? I've felt that right around that time I get a 'second wind' similar to a runners high and feel like I could go several more days with minimal discomfort/hunger pangs. I sometimes don't want to stop.
Please post your feelings/thoughts during the fast. I think its a great idea having a partner to overcome barriers the first 36-48 hours especially if continuing to work in some environments.
Good luck and I hope someone takes you up on it.
 

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Thinking of doing another 3-day fast soon, probably Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday (last meal on Tuesday, the first meal after the fast on Saturday, so technically that would be more than 72 hours). Water only.

Anyone interested in joining?

I'll be doing it either way soon, but perhaps someone wants to start on the same day and exchange thoughts during the fast.
I'm in. Never done it before, so should be interesting.
 
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ive done an almost 48 hour fast unplanned and the effect is much stronger than a 16-24 hour fast.
I've experienced intermittent lightheadedness, and very dark urine.

Maybe going 30+ hours at least once in awhile affects you in ways that consistent intermittent 16-24 hour fasts cannot.
 

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Do you ever feel you have to 'emotionally' break the fast after going that long? I've felt that right around that time I get a 'second wind' similar to a runners high and feel like I could go several more days with minimal discomfort/hunger pangs. I sometimes don't want to stop.
Yes, I sometimes don't eat anything until 6-7 PM and usually by then decide not to eat at all, which means an unplanned fast of about 36-40 hours. On the next day, I usually don't need like I need to break the fast. It's like you said, a feeling similar to a runner's high, a feeling that you want to keep going or at least don't feel that tempted to stop.

The biggest challenge for me this time will be sticking to my workout routine. I exercise two to three times a day (strength training in the morning, yoga in the evening, some other activities during the day) and I don't want to stop exercising during my fast.

That's why I decided to start on Wednesday - Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday are my hardest workouts this week, while Thursday is a bit easier and Friday the easiest. Assuming that I lose some strength during the fast (the last time I did a 3-day fast I didn't have such a demanding workout routine), it shouldn't happen until Friday so I should be good to go (though I have a more difficult workout on Saturday morning so this might be a challenge as well given that I plan to break the fast after it).

I'm in. Never done it before, so should be interesting.
That's cool! Let's do it on the suggested dates then, with the last meal on Tuesday and the next one on Saturday. Water only, meaning no other drinks, not even tea or coffee of any kind (you wouldn't want to drink it on an empty stomach anyway).

ive done an almost 48 hour fast unplanned and the effect is much stronger than a 16-24 hour fast.
I've experienced intermittent lightheadedness, and very dark urine.
The longest one I've done was about 90 hours, which is what it's probably going to be again this time. I didn't really feel that much different or that much hungrier considering it was about five times longer than my usual fast (which is between 16-20 hours). I mean, it was more difficult, but not five times more difficult or anything like that.

Very dark urine probably means you didn't drink enough water which is IMO crucial during a fast. As for lightheadedness, I'm not an expert by any means and might be wrong, but I have a feeling that it's often just your mind playing tricks on you.

We've been led to believe that if we skip some meals we'll get weak so that's what our mind projects. In reality, if that were the case, we wouldn't survive as humans. It was probably common for our ancestors to go for a few days, if not more, without any or very little food—and still need to actively search for it, meaning increased calorie expenditure and strenuous physical activity.
 

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That's cool! Let's do it on the suggested dates then, with the last meal on Tuesday and the next one on Saturday. Water only, meaning no other drinks, not even tea or coffee of any kind (you wouldn't want to drink it on an empty stomach anyway).
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Has anyone ever tried a 3-5 day raw milk fast?

Some of you may be scared of raw milk, but I was raised on it — the fear is overblown.
 

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Do you ever feel you have to 'emotionally' break the fast after going that long? I've felt that right around that time I get a 'second wind' similar to a runners high and feel like I could go several more days with minimal discomfort/hunger pangs. I sometimes don't want to stop.
Yes, I think that "clean high" is your body burning fat efficiently.

Another side effect I found is that food tastes unbelievably much better after a fast. Taste has more depth and instead of inhaling food, it is chewed and savored. It is somewhat reminiscent of a weed high, where some sensory perceptions are heightened, in this case, taste.
 

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Yes, I sometimes don't eat anything until 6-7 PM and usually by then decide not to eat at all, which means an unplanned fast of about 36-40 hours. On the next day, I usually don't need like I need to break the fast. It's like you said, a feeling similar to a runner's high, a feeling that you want to keep going or at least don't feel that tempted to stop.

The biggest challenge for me this time will be sticking to my workout routine. I exercise two to three times a day (strength training in the morning, yoga in the evening, some other activities during the day) and I don't want to stop exercising during my fast.

That's why I decided to start on Wednesday - Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday are my hardest workouts this week, while Thursday is a bit easier and Friday the easiest. Assuming that I lose some strength during the fast (the last time I did a 3-day fast I didn't have such a demanding workout routine), it shouldn't happen until Friday so I should be good to go (though I have a more difficult workout on Saturday morning so this might be a challenge as well given that I plan to break the fast after it).



That's cool! Let's do it on the suggested dates then, with the last meal on Tuesday and the next one on Saturday. Water only, meaning no other drinks, not even tea or coffee of any kind (you wouldn't want to drink it on an empty stomach anyway).



The longest one I've done was about 90 hours, which is what it's probably going to be again this time. I didn't really feel that much different or that much hungrier considering it was about five times longer than my usual fast (which is between 16-20 hours). I mean, it was more difficult, but not five times more difficult or anything like that.

Very dark urine probably means you didn't drink enough water which is IMO crucial during a fast. As for lightheadedness, I'm not an expert by any means and might be wrong, but I have a feeling that it's often just your mind playing tricks on you.

We've been led to believe that if we skip some meals we'll get weak so that's what our mind projects. In reality, if that were the case, we wouldn't survive as humans. It was probably common for our ancestors to go for a few days, if not more, without any or very little food—and still need to actively search for it, meaning increased calorie expenditure and strenuous physical activity.
I did read that during a fast the body uses up more water than normal. Also the stimulated cell autophagy increases cell waste in urine. I was also very physically active during the fast and probably did sweat out more fluid than i took in.

its all good though lol
 

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I was mentally in a bad place over the past few years. Gained a bunch of weight, was struggling to keep my head on straight. Constant panic attacks/anxiety, etc. all while trying to run a business.

I was at the heaviest I'd been and I just got fed up. Got tired of feeling like crap all the time. Started boxing again. Dropped a few lbs pretty quick, but nothing to write home about. I knew my biggest challenge was killing the bad diet habits I'd built over the years.

I'd always known about IF, but always thought it was some woo woo BS (once again, cynical mindset). Found the IF subreddit and thought "this has got to be BS. . ." So, in an effort to appease my (at the time) cynical mindset, I gave it a shot.

Damn... I was wrong. And I'd never been happier to be wrong. Long story short, I dropped 30 pounds in about 4 months.

Started out on 16:8. Now I do 18: 6 almost every day, 20:4 here and there. I do all my training fasted (boxing, weights, running) and I've never felt better in my life.

And guess what? All that mental BS that had put me into spirals over the years is gone. No more anxiety. Depression is gone. It's like I was reborn. Of course, this is likely due to the combination of all the healthy choices I decided to make, but the major factor for me was switching to IF and actually feeling good about my eating habits.

It's also helped me build better willpower and a stronger mindset. I can run miles now, box for 15 rounds (and want more after), and I'm the fittest I've ever been in my adult life.

TL;DR: IF works. Do it.

By the way, I never really share my dietary habits with people who ask how I cut the weight so quick. When I do, it's a similar reaction to when I told people I was going to ditch the job and start a business a few years back:

"That's dangerous! Don't do it!"

"Good luck with that."

"The latest article I read says you need 25 small meals a day!"
(I might have exaggerated with this one)

Funny how these things work out. The script is strong.
 

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Another side effect I found is that food tastes unbelievably much better after a fast. Taste has more depth and instead of inhaling food, it is chewed and savored. It is somewhat reminiscent of a weed high, where some sensory perceptions are heightened, in this case, taste.
My smell is greatly heightened after one day of fasting. I think that this also affects how food tastes after a fast.

Anyone else interested in doing a 3-day fast with @Sander and me? Let me sell you on the idea:
  • Eating takes a lot of time out of your day - shopping, prepping, cooking, eating, cleaning up, etc. During the fast, you'll free up at least 2 additional hours a day, if not more. This can be a great time to set more ambitious goals for your business because it will be like getting a free workday.
  • It's a great exercise for self-discipline, one of the keys to success. There's @Fox's thread about a 75-day challenge that shows how important this skill is for everything in life. After going without food for 3 days, other willpower challenges will be easier.
  • You'll lose some weight. A lot of it will be water weight you'll regain, but there will be some fat loss, too (based on my experience, it should be at least 1-3 pounds, or 0.5-1.5 kg). While on a fast, particularly the second and third day, it might be a good time to go hang out at the beach (with a bottle of water only) as your physique will be much more defined. Who knows, maybe you'll see your abs for the first time in your life :)
  • You'll reset your body as you won't be supplying any of the crap coming from processed foods. Your body will begin the process of autophagy (self-eating), which sounds scary, but in reality is desirable as it will clean out damaged cells to replace them with new, healthier ones. Your insulin levels will drop and inflammation will reduce. It might help improve your physical appearance (reduce acne, redness, etc.). Here's an article on the 5 stages of prolonged fasting.
  • You'll gain more mental clarity and improve your relationship with food. After a fast, even a very simple meal will taste incredibly and junk food will probably taste strange, if not way too sweet/salty/greasy, etc. This can help you rebuild your diet from the ground up.
  • You'll probably have some weird vivid dreams, which is trippy, but also fun.
  • Perhaps for the first time in your life, you'll feel true hunger, not fake hunger you feel in between meals. It's a humbling experience that will help you understand the struggles of those less lucky who are forced to fast.
  • You already have two guys who will hold you accountable and share the experience with you. It's much easier to do it with someone else also doing it at the same time.
  • It's a simple challenge that, even if you decide not to repeat it, will be a cool experience. You'll be able to brag that you once went without food for 3 days :)
Perhaps we should start another thread just for this fast. What do you think, @Sander?
 

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My smell is greatly heightened after one day of fasting. I think that this also affects how food tastes after a fast.

Anyone else interested in doing a 3-day fast with @Sander and me? Let me sell you on the idea:
  • Eating takes a lot of time out of your day - shopping, prepping, cooking, eating, cleaning up, etc. During the fast, you'll free up at least 2 additional hours a day, if not more. This can be a great time to set more ambitious goals for your business because it will be like getting a free workday.
  • It's a great exercise for self-discipline, one of the keys to success. There's @Fox's thread about a 75-day challenge that shows how important this skill is for everything in life. After going without food for 3 days, other willpower challenges will be easier.
  • You'll lose some weight. A lot of it will be water weight you'll regain, but there will be some fat loss, too (based on my experience, it should be at least 1-3 pounds, or 0.5-1.5 kg). While on a fast, particularly the second and third day, it might be a good time to go hang out at the beach (with a bottle of water only) as your physique will be much more defined. Who knows, maybe you'll see your abs for the first time in your life :)
  • You'll reset your body as you won't be supplying any of the crap coming from processed foods. Your body will begin the process of autophagy (self-eating), which sounds scary, but in reality is desirable as it will clean out damaged cells to replace them with new, healthier ones. Your insulin levels will drop and inflammation will reduce. It might help improve your physical appearance (reduce acne, redness, etc.). Here's an article on the 5 stages of prolonged fasting.
  • You'll gain more mental clarity and improve your relationship with food. After a fast, even a very simple meal will taste incredibly and junk food will probably taste strange, if not way too sweet/salty/greasy, etc. This can help you rebuild your diet from the ground up.
  • You'll probably have some weird vivid dreams, which is trippy, but also fun.
  • Perhaps for the first time in your life, you'll feel true hunger, not fake hunger you feel in between meals. It's a humbling experience that will help you understand the struggles of those less lucky who are forced to fast.
  • You already have two guys who will hold you accountable and share the experience with you. It's much easier to do it with someone else also doing it at the same time.
  • It's a simple challenge that, even if you decide not to repeat it, will be a cool experience. You'll be able to brag that you once went without food for 3 days :)
Perhaps we should start another thread just for this fast. What do you think, @Sander?
Sure, we can do that.

I've been living unhealthy for the past month or two, so this is a perfect opportunity to get back on track.

I've never done more than a 20-24 hours fasting before, and only did that once, so I'm relly excited to experience how it feels to go 3 days without food.

My planned exercise will be walking 10.000 steps every day and spinning for at least one hour per day.
 
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I've been living unhealthy for the past month or two, so this is a perfect opportunity to get back on track.
Definitely, it's great as a hard reset.

Posted a general thread for anyone interested in longer fasting:
 

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I intermittent fast basically every day of my life now.
12.00 noon salad (<15 grams of Carbs & 18.00 <35 grams of carbs for dinner).

I say 'basically' because i switch between 5 week HardCore fasting and training, and 5 weeks enjoying life and allowing myself a few more cheat days. :p mmm...Dominoes & Ben and Jerrys.

I am now back at one week into a HardCore 5 weeks so I am craving and dreaming about junk food and it will pass.

So basically get up 4-5 days a week at 05.30 and do my stretches and joint mobility training. After coffee, when around 12 hours fasted, I begin to train. It is about 1 hours of working out followed by 20-25 mins running. Then home, shower and to work. Two days a week before a rest day I can double my carbs for the evening meal and have a few glasses of dry wine. So its not all bad.

Training in a fasted state is amazing if your body is 'fat-adapted' (i.e. your bodys main source of go-to-energy is fat and not sugar). I have almost unlimited energy when fasted. When training after work I am quickly deleted with many cramps. So this definitely works for me.


I have talked about this in other threads, but for all you fatties (like I was) that are interested to change your body and more importantly your health and mind this was the results of my first 5 week HC session. (see attachment)

The 5 week course I followed was Bellyproof, a London based company owned by Jacob Nadav. This guy is really a good candidate for this forum. He has the potential to be fastlane, with a fantastic product that stands out above the rest, scale-able business and fantastic customer service. If I have a question or just want to chat about some theories with him, he the own responds within a matter of hours. Great guy and I would be surprised if he is not already a member. Jacob? you there amigo?

Anyway, for you guys that are curious below is a link to his site. He also has a wealth of free info on Youtube about the science of fat and how to burn it.

BellyProof / MovementFirst – Let's Get you Fit
 

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I'm 46, been doing IF for over 10yrs, changed my life so much I built a dedicated fasting community for it. I don't want to spam though as I'm new around here. I think IF is the best health intervention there is. Cool to see an IF chat here! Here is my current progress from the other day:

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Currently doing 16/8 for five days a week
Planning to do a three day fast at the end of the month.

If anyone wants to join me, It's gonna be from 8pm Thursday Oct 24th - 8pm Sunday Oct 27th.
 

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during the work week, i'll have black coffee (with a little 0 cal vanilla extract and cinnamon for flavor) in the morning, then around 1 pm i have an apple, then nothing else till I get home where I'll eat about 1800 calories at once. then i'm done for the day. i'm 5'6" and currently weigh around 158 lbs. I was as high as 179 lbs before i started IF and got as low as 142 lbs, but got tired of not eating and in about 2 or 3 months i was back to 162. i just started IF again this week and already lost 3.5 lbs. Weekends are the toughest for me. so easy to snack if i'm around the house and not busy, but i try to limit my calories to 2300 or less (maintenance). that way i at least shouldn't be going backwards. IF alone is not a magical cure for weight loss. Calories are what determine whether or not you lose weight. if you eat more than your maintenance calorie level in the 4-8 hr window or whatever you will still gain weight. And I could make the same weight loss by eating 3 meals of 600 calories each. IF just allows me to eat a lot at once and still make my calorie goals. i hate going to bed hungry.
 

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during the work week, i'll have black coffee (with a little 0 cal vanilla extract and cinnamon for flavor) in the morning, then around 1 pm i have an apple, then nothing else till I get home where I'll eat about 1800 calories at once. then i'm done for the day. i'm 5'6" and currently weigh around 158 lbs. I was as high as 179 lbs before i started IF and got as low as 142 lbs, but got tired of not eating and in about 2 or 3 months i was back to 162. i just started IF again this week and already lost 3.5 lbs. Weekends are the toughest for me. so easy to snack if i'm around the house and not busy, but i try to limit my calories to 2300 or less (maintenance). that way i at least shouldn't be going backwards. IF alone is not a magical cure for weight loss. Calories are what determine whether or not you lose weight. if you eat more than your maintenance calorie level in the 4-8 hr window or whatever you will still gain weight. And I could make the same weight loss by eating 3 meals of 600 calories each. IF just allows me to eat a lot at once and still make my calorie goals. i hate going to bed hungry.

Calories are what determine whether or not you lose weight.
That is true but not true haha. It depends what you mean by losing weight: I.e. muscle mass or fat mass.

Fat mass loss:
I expect the later is what you are talking about, and therefore qua burning fat your statement above is maybe a little over simplified. This is based on the old and incorrect model of calories in vs calories out. It is somewhat true but not completely true. There are a lot more important and significant factors at play.

Still assuming fat loss, one of the most important factors is insulin. When you eat anything you get a spike of insulin in your body. Depending on the sugar/carb content or sweetness, this spike magnitude varies.

Very simple example, a protein shake containing maltitol or sucralose sweeteners have zero calories but still induce a insulin spike, nearly as signification as sugar. For people who are shredding this is a nightmare because:

While you have insulin in your system you are not burning fat!

That is why IM is an effective method of losing fat. You are depleting your body of sugar for 18 hours of the day. This solves a myriad of problems, but most significantly for fat loss is a problem know as Insulin Resistance. This is the reason most people struggle to lose fat but also a main cause of diabetes. With six small meals a day you are constantly triggering insulin and thus not burning fat through out the day.

By switching to IM at least 18 hours a day you are switching your body into a Fat Adapted State. I.e. your body goes directly to fat, rather than looking for sugar. If you are not Fat Adapted and only controlling calories your are not loosing fat but depleting the fat cells of its water/glycogen content for energy. The fat cells are not dead and that belly will come back fast should you feast for a week (Yo-Yo Effect).

So yes calories are important, but not as much as one thinks.

I do a 5 week On, 8 weeks Off cycle. 8 weeks living like a humble Vegetarian king and 5 weeks shredding as a carnivore. Although I always IM no matter what cycle, when I switch to shredding for 5 weeks I go Ketogenic. That is, I more or less completely remove sugar/carbs from my diet. (15g Carbs for lunch is a 1/4 bell pepper and 1/2 a red onion and 35 g Carbs for dinner). On top of that I consume a lot of fat and protein, but I don't count these calories.

Since May I have lost 11 kg (1.75 Stone), lost my belly and moobs and got pretty ripped. I have started my 3rd shredding cycle of 2019 last week. Every time shredding usually after a week I need to take a afternoon on the couch or in bed completely depleted of energy as my body just physically gives up on sugar and switches to Fat Burning. A horrible yet wonderful experience.

In this state in combination with exercise most of my excessive calories protein are converted to muscle. Muscle Weight Gain ;)

If you want to learn more about this PM me and I will share a few videos with you.
 

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Been doing OMAD lately in conjunction with weights gym 2pm, food 5pm) and feel great. Even though I was eating reasonably healthy before, I definitely had to work on my insulin levels. Going to start doing 48 hour fasts once a week soon on a Tuesday Wednesday.

Sometimes I go to bed thinking I am a little hungry at about 10pm but wake up not hungry at all.

I will eventually go back to 16/8 though. That feels completely normal to me.
 

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Have any of you tried dry fasting?
I was going to respond initially without watching the video, but it wouldn’t have been right not to first.

He makes it sound all well and good, but I wouldn’t do this for longer than a day or two. I have heard no longer than 3 days.

I have first-hand knowledge of someone who died from doing a dry fast. They tried doing it for 21 days but only made it to 10. They died in their sleep and the next day the kids were playing in the room thinking their mom was sleeping.

Stick to a water fast and you’ll be fine. One day dry fasting probably won’t hurt you but I’d be careful. The video makes it sound good but he said nothing about how long you should do it. Your body needs water. That whole producing your own water sounded completely stupid and dangerous. It’s the first time I’ve ever heard of that.
 

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Stick to a water fast and you’ll be fine. One day dry fasting probably won’t hurt you but I’d be careful. The video makes it sound good but he said nothing about how long you should do it.
He starts the video off by saying that this is risky and to talk to a professional first.

I wouldn't even consider more than a day if I try it at all. I've tried 72 hour water fasts, but a total fast gives me pause.
 

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He starts the video off by saying that this is risky and to talk to a professional first.

I wouldn't even consider more than a day if I try it at all. I've tried 72 hour water fasts, but a total fast gives me pause.
He has to say that because it is risky and if he doesn’t tell you to talk to your doctor, he could be held liable for that advice.

Try it for a day or two but don’t push it. If you don’t feel right, then drink water. I wouldn’t go longer than a day or two. And personally knowing of what I stated above, I, personally, would never do it longer than a day.
 

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Don't like the sound of the dry fast either, since you body is made up of about 50 to 60 percent water you need it. A lot of people are dehydrated as it is .
 

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Have any of you experienced increased ability to focus while fasting?

I work a 9-5 with 2 monitors, so between that and checking my smartphone my attention span and mood decline throughout the day from too much task switching.

Today, however, I have not experienced that. This is the first prolonged fasting that I have done in a while (I'm at 26 hours and counting) and I am wondering if that could be the cause of my increased focus.
 

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