POLL: Side effects from recent vaxcination? Or none?

[Fox]

<div class="bbWrapper"><span style="font-size: 26px"><b>PLEASE VOTE IN THIS POLL.<br /> ANSWERS ARE ANONYMOUS.</b></span><br /> <br /> <b>**** This <u>isn&#039;t my post</u> but it is from someone from the forums who asked for help.<br /> They didn&#039;t want to post themselves for privacy reasons since their username is linked to their real name - so I am posting this on their behalf ***</b><br /> <br /> <br /> About 5 months ago I got the shot (the one with the new technology) and for the past 4 and a half months, I’ve been dealing with some really challenging health issues, and I could use the help of the forum here, as I’ve gotten nowhere going to what seems like a revolving door of specialists and doctors.<br /> <br /> <b><u>Current Health Issue and What I’ve Done So Far:</u></b><br /> <br /> About 4 and a half months ago, I randomly had really bad shortness of breath and tightness in my chest (about 2 weeks after my first dose of the shot), the first thing doctors thought was a heart attack (I’m in my early 30s so wasn’t too worried about that). They told me I had to go to the emergency room and since then, I’ve gotten the following workup:<br /> <br /> -Went to a cardiologist and did a stress test, echocardiogram, several EKGs, and blood work: my heart is completely fine<br /> <br /> -Went to a pulmonologist and did several breathing tests and exams, and a CT scan of my chest and my lungs and lung function seems to be fine<br /> <br /> -Went to a rheumatologist and got a full autoimmune blood work panel (for what they can test for) and everything came back normal and he said they couldn’t help me<br /> <br /> -Have been going to a physical therapist for 3 months who can’t understand why the muscles around my ribs / intercostal muscles are so inflamed and why even when he works to loosen them up, they keep getting tight and going back into that state<br /> <br /> -MRI of my brain, everything came back normal<br /> <br /> -General bloodwork and checkup from my general doctor where nothing out of ordinary showed up<br /> <br /> -Have tried a month’s supply of anti-inflammatory drugs that didn’t help and oral steroids (legitimately had my rheumatologist say “I don’t understand why your body’s inflammation isn’t responding to the steroids)<br /> <br /> -I’ve moved to more Eastern medicine too and tried acupuncture and that didn’t help too much and other alternative medicines with Naturopaths who haven’t been able to figure this out<br /> <br /> -In case this was just mental health, I’ve been speaking to a therapist for over a month who said he’s confused what’s happening with my body too<br /> <br /> -I went on a really strict anti-inflammatory diet (cut out all alcohol, all junk food, all sugary drinks and foods) and just ate extremely clean for around 2 months and that didn&#039;t have any impact at all on these symptoms or the inflammation<br /> <br /> <b><u>What the Symptoms Have Been Like So Far:</u></b><br /> <br /> <br /> 1. It started as just really bad shortness of breath and tightness in my ribs (front, sides and back). The physical therapist and other doctors have said they think my intercostal muscles are tight and that inflammation is causing my lungs / body to feel like I’m not getting a full breath and for it to hurt and be uncomfortable when I breathe<br /> <br /> 2. In the last few months (it’s gotten worse over time and continues to trend in the wrong direction) I’ve had pains that started in my hands that’s moved down into my wrist and now my forearms (in addition to the rib discomfort).<br /> <br /> 3. I never had any issues with anxiety or stress, but that’s all been on such high alert with how miserable that I’ve felt that I find this affecting my overall quality of life where I feel way more stressed than usual about normal stuff that usually wasn’t an issue.<br /> <br /> 4. When the initial issue happened about 4 months ago and when I had doctor’s say I may be having a heart attack, I was definitely a bit worried and I noticed my hands and jawline going numb and almost locking up (maybe I was hyperventilating)<br /> <br /> 5. When I try to exercise, it makes the inflammation and discomfort worse almost like it flares up so it&#039;s been hard to not exercise too much<br /> <br /> <br /> <b><u>The Challenge I’m Currently Running Into</u></b><br /> <br /> Since the doctors have no idea what the hell is going on, I’ve had a few doctors recently (a psychiatrist and a neurologist) who want me to take antidepressants or anti anxiety medications.<br /> <br /> I’m the kind of person where I only like to take medicine if it’s absolutely necessary (even for mild things) so I’m very hesitant, but I don’t know what specialist/where else to turn to next, and the symptoms keep trending in the wrong direction.<br /> <br /> <br /> <b><u>My Question for the Forum:</u></b><br /> <br /> I’ve had a lot of doctors say they feel that this is an adverse reaction to that (obviously can’t be sure, but nothing else changed with my health besides that). I was very hesitant to get the shot and I didn’t fall into a risk group for the disease, but I wanted to travel again and figured hundreds of millions of people took it (which I know isn’t a good reason) so it seemed relatively safe by the time I got it.<br /> <br /> If people want to say I’m an idiot for taking the shot, I completely agree with that and obviously, I’d take it back if I could, but I made a decision and I need to just focus on ways to improve where I’m at now.<br /> <br /> Does anyone here have any suggestions at all for the following questions:<br /> <br /> <br /> A. Do you know anyone personally who has dealt with similar side effects from the shot and how were they able to overcome it (if they did)?<br /> <br /> B. Would it be worth it to try to take some mental health drug (they are trying to put me on an SSRI or benzodiazepines which really concern me)?<br /> <br /> C. Does anyone have any ideas of what type of doctor I could go to next?<br /> <br /> D. If steroids, physical therapy for months and other anti-inflammatories aren&#039;t working, what else could I try?<br /> <br /> <br /> <b>**** Again this <u>isn&#039;t my post</u> but it is from someone from the forums who asked for help with posting this ***</b></div>

 

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[StrikingViper69]

<div class="bbWrapper">If the doctors aren&#039;t 100% sure it&#039;s a side affect from the vaccine, you may want to explore other possible causes. <br /> <br /> You don&#039;t want to overlook something based on an assumption.</div>

 

[jdm667]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 33771" data-quote="Fox" data-source="post: 960938" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=960938" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-960938">Fox said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <b>**** This <u>isn&#039;t my post</u> but it is from someone from the forums who asked for help.<br /> They didn&#039;t want to post themselves for privacy reasons since their username is linked to their real name - so I am posting this on their behalf ***</b><br /> <br /> <br /> About 5 months ago I got the shot (the one with the new technology) and for the past 4 and a half months, I’ve been dealing with some really challenging health issues, and I could use the help of the forum here, as I’ve gotten nowhere going to what seems like a revolving door of specialists and doctors.<br /> <br /> <b><u>Current Health Issue and What I’ve Done So Far:</u></b><br /> <br /> About 4 and a half months ago, I randomly had really bad shortness of breath and tightness in my chest (about 2 weeks after my first dose of the shot), the first thing doctors thought was a heart attack (I’m in my early 30s so wasn’t too worried about that). They told me I had to go to the emergency room and since then, I’ve gotten the following workup:<br /> <br /> -Went to a cardiologist and did a stress test, echocardiogram, several EKGs, and blood work: my heart is completely fine<br /> <br /> -Went to a pulmonologist and did several breathing tests and exams, and a CT scan of my chest and my lungs and lung function seems to be fine<br /> <br /> -Went to a rheumatologist and got a full autoimmune blood work panel (for what they can test for) and everything came back normal and he said they couldn’t help me<br /> <br /> -Have been going to a physical therapist for 3 months who can’t understand why the muscles around my ribs / intercostal muscles are so inflamed and why even when he works to loosen them up, they keep getting tight and going back into that state<br /> <br /> -MRI of my brain, everything came back normal<br /> <br /> -General bloodwork and checkup from my general doctor where nothing out of ordinary showed up<br /> <br /> -Have tried a month’s supply of anti-inflammatory drugs that didn’t help and oral steroids (legitimately had my rheumatologist say “I don’t understand why your body’s inflammation isn’t responding to the steroids)<br /> <br /> -I’ve moved to more Eastern medicine too and tried acupuncture and that didn’t help too much and other alternative medicines with Naturopaths who haven’t been able to figure this out<br /> <br /> -In case this was just mental health, I’ve been speaking to a therapist for over a month who said he’s confused what’s happening with my body too<br /> <br /> -I went on a really strict anti-inflammatory diet (cut out all alcohol, all junk food, all sugary drinks and foods) and just ate extremely clean for around 2 months and that didn&#039;t have any impact at all on these symptoms or the inflammation<br /> <br /> <b><u>What the Symptoms Have Been Like So Far:</u></b><br /> <br /> <br /> 1. It started as just really bad shortness of breath and tightness in my ribs (front, sides and back). The physical therapist and other doctors have said they think my intercostal muscles are tight and that inflammation is causing my lungs / body to feel like I’m not getting a full breath and for it to hurt and be uncomfortable when I breathe<br /> <br /> 2. In the last few months (it’s gotten worse over time and continues to trend in the wrong direction) I’ve had pains that started in my hands that’s moved down into my wrist and now my forearms (in addition to the rib discomfort).<br /> <br /> 3. I never had any issues with anxiety or stress, but that’s all been on such high alert with how miserable that I’ve felt that I find this affecting my overall quality of life where I feel way more stressed than usual about normal stuff that usually wasn’t an issue.<br /> <br /> 4. When the initial issue happened about 4 months ago and when I had doctor’s say I may be having a heart attack, I was definitely a bit worried and I noticed my hands and jawline going numb and almost locking up (maybe I was hyperventilating)<br /> <br /> 5. When I try to exercise, it makes the inflammation and discomfort worse almost like it flares up so it&#039;s been hard to not exercise too much<br /> <br /> <br /> <b><u>The Challenge I’m Currently Running Into</u></b><br /> <br /> Since the doctors have no idea what the hell is going on, I’ve had a few doctors recently (a psychiatrist and a neurologist) who want me to take antidepressants or anti anxiety medications.<br /> <br /> I’m the kind of person where I only like to take medicine if it’s absolutely necessary (even for mild things) so I’m very hesitant, but I don’t know what specialist/where else to turn to next, and the symptoms keep trending in the wrong direction.<br /> <br /> <br /> <b><u>My Question for the Forum:</u></b><br /> <br /> I’ve had a lot of doctors say they feel that this is an adverse reaction to that (obviously can’t be sure, but nothing else changed with my health besides that). I was very hesitant to get the shot and I didn’t fall into a risk group for the disease, but I wanted to travel again and figured hundreds of millions of people took it (which I know isn’t a good reason) so it seemed relatively safe by the time I got it.<br /> <br /> If people want to say I’m an idiot for taking the shot, I completely agree with that and obviously, I’d take it back if I could, but I made a decision and I need to just focus on ways to improve where I’m at now.<br /> <br /> Does anyone here have any suggestions at all for the following questions:<br /> <br /> <br /> A. Do you know anyone personally who has dealt with similar side effects from the shot and how were they able to overcome it (if they did)?<br /> <br /> B. Would it be worth it to try to take some mental health drug (they are trying to put me on an SSRI or benzodiazepines which really concern me)?<br /> <br /> C. Does anyone have any ideas of what type of doctor I could go to next?<br /> <br /> D. If steroids, physical therapy for months and other anti-inflammatories aren&#039;t working, what else could I try?<br /> <br /> <br /> <b>**** Again this <u>isn&#039;t my post</u> but it is from someone from the forums who asked for help with posting this ***</b> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Did they test you for allergies? You may have developed an allergy to a food you never had trouble with before.<br /> <br /> Get tested for allergies first. You may have to temporarily cut out common ones like milk, egg, soy, wheat, nuts, or shellfish to see if it makes a difference.</div>

 

[Guest84834]

<div class="bbWrapper">OP already mentioned they were on a anti-inflammatory diet. Probaby cut off from that crap (like stop eating dairy) too.</div>

 

[Fox]

<div class="bbWrapper">I’ll wait until this person has checked this thread and then try get their answers up to these questions. <br /> <br /> Thanks everyone.</div>

 

[Simon Angel]

<div class="bbWrapper">What the hell? SSRIs for pain in the ribs? Start tapering off that shit immediately (don&#039;t quit cold turkey).<br /> <br /> Your symptoms and description sounds like something that has happened to me from doing dips or too many push-ups, or if I lifted/carried something really heavy for a prolonged period of time.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ve even gone to the ER years ago because I couldn&#039;t take a normal breath without feeling an immense amount of pain in my chest. I thought I had a pulmonary embolism or something. I was told it was <i>costochondritis</i>.<br /> <br /> Did you do anything strenuous a day or two before your symptoms began?<br /> <br /> Anyway, something that comes up by searching your symptoms is myocarditis. Perhaps you could try going to another cardiologist?</div>

 

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[Bekit]

<div class="bbWrapper">Hey anonymous, sorry you&#039;ve been going through this.<br /> <br /> (Note: I have intentionally misspelled some words below. Hopefully it will be clear what I am saying.)<br /> <br /> You might find some insights from this video:<br /> <br /> <div class="bbMediaWrapper" data-media-site-id="youtube" data-media-key="nYkUePQMfkE"> <div class="bbMediaWrapper-inner"> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/nYkUePQMfkE?wmode=opaque" loading="lazy" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe> </div> </div><i><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="https://youtu.be/nYkUePQMfkE" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">View: https://youtu.be/nYkUePQMfkE</a></span></i><br /> <br /> <br /> Notably, he says that (1) nobody knows how long your body continues to express the spaike protein and (2) nobody knows which tissues of the body are producing it. This was because they weren&#039;t required to study it, so they didn&#039;t.<br /> <br /> In addition, he says that in other countries, they are already deeming doctors as &quot;mentally unfit&quot; if they question the vac narrative, and in some cases they are even institutionalizing them. If this is even happening to doctors, be very sure it can happen to you. They are gaslighting you if they are making you think that this is all in your head and wanting to prescribe antidepressants.<br /> <br /> Here is something you can try.<br /> <br /> 1) Report your symptoms to the VAERS database if you have not already done so. This may not help you connect with others who have had similar symptoms, but at least it will put your symptoms out there in case it is part of a larger pattern.<br /> <br /> 2) Watch this video and do your own research. I have taken this myself and it has been effective and harmless for me. I first took it when I had malaria in 2012 and it helped me dramatically within one day. It&#039;s cheap and easy to get.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="230787" data-url="https://odysee.com/@JustTheTruth:5/the-universal-antidote-%E2%80%93-chlorine-dioxide-documentary-video:b" data-host="odysee.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fthumbnails.odycdn.com%2Fcard%2Fs%3A1280%3A720%2Fquality%3A85%2Fplain%2Fhttps%3A%2F%2Ftheuniversalantidote.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2021%2F01%2F3D-Book-Cover-Universal-Antidote-300px.png&amp;hash=aa7ce46b0e26a79cfea4071cf9a60d8e&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="odysee.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://odysee.com/@JustTheTruth:5/the-universal-antidote-%E2%80%93-chlorine-dioxide-documentary-video:b" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-proxy-href=""> The Universal Antidote - Chlorine Dioxide documentary </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">The science and story of Chlorine Dioxide. NASA proclaimed it a &#039;universal antidote&#039; in 1987.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fodysee.com%2Fpublic%2Ffavicon_128.png&amp;hash=e3914a43124cb705bc211a2239851662&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="odysee.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> odysee.com </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> <a href="https://kvlab.com/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Here is where I buy it</a>. Feel free to ask if you have any questions.<br /> <br /> 3) If you are in the US, try getting a phone appointment to talk to one of the people at <a href="https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/treatments/how-do-i-get-C0VlD-19-medication/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">America&#039;s Frontline Doctors</a>. (Note: if the link brings up a &quot;page not found&quot; error, you&#039;ll have to manually replace the &quot;C&quot; and the &quot;O&quot; and the &quot;V&quot; and the &quot;I&quot; and the &quot;D&quot; in the hyperlink with regular lowercase letters, because the forum autocorrects this particular combination of letters.) This group is not playing into the whole fear porn thing, so you might get some straight answers.<br /> <br /> <b>Further thoughts from an armchair biologist </b><br /> <br /> I am not a doctor or a health care professional, but I have done an obsessive amount of research on this thing. Obviously, do your own research and make your own decisions.<br /> <br /> Points that stand out to me from your story:<br /> <br /> - The heart symptoms -<br /> <br /> The spaike protein specifically gets access to your cells through the ACE2 receptors. You hear a lot about the lungs being full of ACE2 receptors, but you know where else your body is loaded with them? The lining of your blood vessels. And when the spaike protein infects the cells in the lining of your blood vessels, it causes inflammation, which in turn leads to clotting, which in turn leads to tissues near the capillaries being starved of oxygen. This might be an explanation for what you are seeing. This could also explain what&#039;s going on with your hands and arms. I would watch to see if a similar thing starts in your feet.<br /> <br /> - The inflammation -<br /> <br /> I call BS on the fact that the autoimmune doctor didn&#039;t find any issue in your blood work. Even your physical therapist can see that you are experiencing inflammation. Inflammation shows up in blood work. I would look up a <b>naturopathic doctor or a functional medicine doctor</b> and have them look at the blood work (or do their own).<br /> <br /> - The brain MRI -<br /> <br /> Did they do this out of curiosity, or have you been experiencing brain or nervous system issues as well?<br /> <br /> - NSAIDs and Steroids -<br /> <br /> Back in early 2020, when people didn&#039;t really know what to do for people who developed symptoms, they were throwing NSAIDs and steroids at them. There was an early study that looked at this and found that people who took these had WORSE outcomes (got more severe illness, stayed sick longer) than people who avoided them. I would personally avoid them. NSAIDs are basically a pain reliever and steroids are basically to treat allergy symptoms. Steroids can also create dependency that is hard to withdraw from.<br /> <br /> - Clean diet that didn&#039;t help -<br /> <br /> Did you cut out gluten and dairy? These are huge culprits that cause inflammation. Even if you&#039;ve never been intolerant or sensitive to these two before, you might want to give it an experiment to see if you feel better without them, even if you are not allergic to them. For myself, I found that in the aftermath of a serious illness that caused massive fatigue and a very slow recovery, I could improve my quality of life by eliminating gluten and dairy.<br /> <br /> Hope this helps! Please take good care of yourself. Hope you find what will make you feel better!</div>

 

[Simon Angel]

<div class="bbWrapper">Some very valuable info above. Can&#039;t comment on chlorine dioxide as I have no experience with it but <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/59397/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="59397" data-username="@Bekit">@Bekit</a> is right. <br /> <br /> Can you send me your blood tests via <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/33771/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="33771" data-username="@Fox">@Fox</a>? If not, I&#039;d make sure that you goy tested for the following markers:<br /> <br /> C-reactive protein<br /> Platelets <br /> WBC<br /> <br /> If you haven&#039;t done these yet, they will certainly help in figuring out if the cause is really autoimmune inflammation.</div>

 

[Dirtymaco]

<div class="bbWrapper">1. All the diagnostics you have had done tells me the problem is probably way more psychological than physiological.<br /> <br /> 2. Gluten wont kill you, diary wont kill you.<br /> <br /> 3. Getting a shot was a great choice.<br /> <br /> 4. Looking for medical answers on &quot;entrepreneur&quot; forum where lay people recommend random testing and &quot;naturopathic and functional doctor&quot; is stupid and dangerous<br /> <br /> 5. I dont know where you are from or how medical system works in your country but it looks to me like you need a proper talk with your personal doctor who would idealy take at least 1h and present some kind of CBT.<br /> <br /> Also SSRI are maybe, but definitely not without cognitive-behavioural therapy. <br /> Stay as far away from benzos as possible.<br /> <br /> Best of luck,<br /> MD</div>

 

[Simon Angel]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 91038" data-quote="Dirtymaco" data-source="post: 961007" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=961007" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-961007">Dirtymaco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> 2. diary wont kill you. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> What about <i>dairy</i>, doc?<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 91038" data-quote="Dirtymaco" data-source="post: 961007" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=961007" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-961007">Dirtymaco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> 3. Getting a shot was a great choice. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Lmao.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 91038" data-quote="Dirtymaco" data-source="post: 961007" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=961007" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-961007">Dirtymaco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> 4. Looking for medical answers on &quot;entrepreneur&quot; forum where lay people recommend random testing and &quot;naturopathic and functional doctor&quot; is stupid and dangerous </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Perhaps he should just go back to the &quot;real&quot; doctors so he can get charged $5K and told it&#039;s all psychosomatic?<br /> <br /> Anyway..<br /> <br /> You heard the MD, nameless sufferer. If it don&#039;t fit the book - it&#039;s all in your head. Please consume SSRIs indefinitely.</div>

 

[Dirtymaco]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 39527" data-quote="Simon Angel" data-source="post: 961010" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=961010" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-961010">Simon Angel said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What about <i>dairy</i>, doc?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Lmao.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Perhaps he should just go back to the &quot;real&quot; doctors so he can get charged $5K and told it&#039;s all psychosomatic?<br /> <br /> Anyway..<br /> <br /> You heard the MD, nameless sufferer. If it don&#039;t fit the book - it&#039;s all in your head. Please consume SSRIs indefinitely. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> No need to act stupid.<br /> <br /> I advise him to listen to his PERSONAL doctor who he ideally has a trusting relationship with.<br /> <br /> You also made a few bad strewman arguments... <br /> <br /> 1. Like I said Im not sure where the OP is from, where I am from personal doctors are covered by insurance and &quot;fUncTioNal doctors&quot; and naturopaths take cash only... so there is that <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /><br /> <br /> 2. Also even if there is nothing wrong with body in a biochemical way per se (as all the diagnostic tests suggest) it doesnt mean he doesnt need help. And yes psycosomatic conditions are just as real as &quot;somatic&quot; conditions and deserve to be taken just as seriously<br /> <br /> 3. I literally said DONT take SSRIs until you have a proper appointement ideally with some form of cognitive behavioural approach <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> so u skewed my words and attacked the argument I never made.<br /> <br /> Obviously I am in a minority thinking taking a shot was a great choice, I do however see quite high percentage of post COVID patients with similar symptoms, and while such symptoms are present after getting the vaccine this is more of a exception then a rule...</div>

 

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[Fox]

<div class="bbWrapper">They are based in the US.</div>

 

[Johnny boy]

<div class="bbWrapper">Oh my god this is some next level autism in the replies <br /> <br /> “probably too many push-ups”<br /> <br /> “it’s psychological”<br /> <br /> “great choice to get the vaccine”<br /> <br /> lmao.<br /> <br /> 100% your problems came from the vaccine, I’m not touching that shit. Not saying I’m glad it’s messing people up, but damn.. if you let the government gaslight you into getting a sketchy shot, expect to receive a Darwin Award.</div>

 

[arfa]

<div class="bbWrapper">I would also recommend to go to some sort of holistic practitioner, however the professional MUST use &quot;muscle testing&quot; when prescribing you things, don&#039;t go to the ones which don&#039;t use some form of that. &quot;muscle testing&quot; is technique to talk to YOUR body, not supported by western/eastern/natural medicine or science. It has been working wonders for me and my family for years... Not many know it or about it, but if you ask a practitioner, they should tell you if they use it. You can pm me about it if needed.</div>

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

<div class="bbWrapper">I have no idea what the answer is and no idea what the real deal is with this since it&#039;s all so new (and pushed so heavily), but I hope you get better soon.<br /> <br /> I do know several people who have had the virus and died... and many more who had it and got over it totally fine. And I know tons of people who have had the vax with no issues. It&#039;s all a bit confusing. It almost seems random.</div>

 

[Itizn]

<div class="bbWrapper">One of the biggest advocates in my life pleading for me to get the vacks is my grandmother.<br /> <br /> About a week after her first dose she was hospitalized with some organ failure, nearly died, and now has to walk around at all times with a bag attached to an open hole in her waist. Pretty sure she got the Chinese vacks too since she lives in Colombia and the U.S. ones weren&#039;t available at the time.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ll pass on the jab, and all these private organzations and municipalities trying to segregate people won&#039;t change my mind.</div>

 

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[Itizn]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 33771" data-quote="Fox" data-source="post: 960938" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=960938" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-960938">Fox said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I’m the kind of person where I only like to take medicine if it’s absolutely necessary (even for mild things) </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> To the anonymous OP: unfortunately, this doesn&#039;t appear to be true. I do hope you get over this soon however, and if I were in your position I&#039;d continue seeking opinions from different doctors. Wish you all the best.</div>

 

[Simon Angel]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 47954" data-quote="Johnny boy" data-source="post: 961027" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=961027" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-961027">Johnny boy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Oh my god this is some next level autism in the replies<br /> <br /> “probably too many push-ups”<br /> <br /> “it’s psychological”<br /> <br /> “great choice to get the VAXCClNE”<br /> <br /> lmao.<br /> <br /> 100% your problems came from the VAXCClNE, I’m not touching that shit. Not saying I’m glad it’s messing people up, but damn.. if you let the government gaslight you into getting a sketchy shot, expect to receive a Darwin Award. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Ever considered the possibility you may be autistic instead?<br /> <br /> Autism, or autism spectrum disorder (ASD), refers to a broad range of conditions characterized by <b>challenges with social skills, repetitive behaviors, </b>speech, and nonverbal communication.</div>

 

[GuestUser4aMPs1]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 39527" data-quote="Simon Angel" data-source="post: 961038" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=961038" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-961038">Simon Angel said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Ever considered the possibility you may be autistic instead? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>If Johnny is an autist, at least he&#039;s a <i>rich</i> autist.<br /> <br /> That&#039;s all I have to contribute - I hope <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/26815/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="26815" data-username="@GIlman">@GIlman</a> can fill us in?</div>

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

<div class="bbWrapper">I would be very wary of getting advice for a medical situation this serious from anyone on this forum save <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/26815/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="26815" data-username="@GIlman">@GIlman</a></div>

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 48368" data-quote="WillHurtDontCare" data-source="post: 961102" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=961102" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-961102">WillHurtDontCare said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I would be very wary of getting advice for a medical situation this serious from anyone </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Fixed it for you! Haha</div>

 

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[ZCP]

<div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/26815/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="26815" data-username="@GIlman">@GIlman</a></div>

 

[GIlman]

<div class="bbWrapper">First and foremost, the following is just me giving some thoughts and opinions about covid and vaccines, and cannot be construed or followed as medical advice for any person or situation, nor should it be taken as advice for any diagnosis or treatment. Any diagnosis or treatment plan must be between you and your doctor, and you really can’t rely, trust, or act on any information you find in this post or online because anyone (including myself) have very incomplete information and insight into your own personal medical situation. In other word’s this is not to be construed as medical advice for anyone under any circumstances. <br /> <br /> First, I want to point out that our understanding and diagnosis of disease is based on past experience. It is certainly possible that there is some completely unknown medical condition linked to the vaccine that we do not have specific diagnostic tests or experience treating. Right now we are seeing different patterns of symptoms after an actual COVID infection =&gt; People are referring to these symptoms as Long Haul Covid Syndrome (LHCS). <br /> <br /> What the underlying cause of LHCS, how physiology is effected, what medications can treat this, and what long there effects and permanently disability might be are largely unknown. It can take many many years to sort out the specifics, treatment, and prognosis of a disease. <br /> <br /> There are also reports out there of some similar constellation of symptoms after the vaccine that seem to mimic Long Haul Covid. I have searched, but not been able to find an proven answer to what causes long haul Covid, but if long haul Covid symptoms are related to the spike protein, it would be conceivable that some people who got the vaccine could develop symptoms from the vaccine due to the spike protein produced by the vaccine. <br /> <br /> Usually with any disease there is a root cause, and then the down stream effects. I usually think of this from a systems based approach. For instance, if with shortness of breath, there are many system problems that can cause this, you have:<br /> <br /> 1) The cardiac system composed of your heart. You can have problems with the heart itself such as damage to the heart muscle from inflammation (myocarditis) or lack of blood flow within the heard leading to tissue death (ischemia i.e. Heart attack). You can have inflammation and/or fluid collection of the sac that covers the heart called the pericardium, that can restrict the ability of the heart to move adequately. <br /> <br /> 2) The pulmonary system composed of the lungs and airways. If the airways are compromised in any way then air cannot move freely in and out of the lungs. If the lung tissue is damaged then the air that gets into the lungs cannot effectively get oxygen into the blood and remove carbon dioxide. <br /> <br /> 3) The vascular system is the blood vessels in your body. You actually have 2 different systems, the pulmonary which is the blood circulation to your lungs, and the systemic circulation which is the blood circulation to the rest of your body. Shortness of breath can and is often caused by blood clots in the lungs themselves. Also you can actually get high blood pressure in the lungs called pulmonary hypertension which can cause strain on the heart because it’s pushing against too much pressure - this is one thing I have been worried about with the vaccine and Covid which I’ll explain below.<br /> <br /> 4) Musculoskeletal - the bones and muscles. In particular the diaphragm is critical to your day in and day out breathing. The intercostal muscles between your ribs can play a role but usually more under exertion and exercise. If there is an underlying problem with the muscle - like a myopathy (which is a disorder of the muscle) or a myositis (inflammation of the muscle) then it’s possible that could lead to shortness of breath.<br /> <br /> 5) Neurological - the brain and nerves. The brain has to generate the signal and the nerves have to carry that signal out to the body. Alternatively receptors in the tissues can generate a signal, send the signal back to the brain. Say that there was some issue generating or transmitting the signal from the brain to the diaphragm. Then you could have muscle weakness that could impact the diaphragm. <br /> <br /> So the trick with new types of symptoms is to try and work through the systems and figure out where the underlying problem is. As you can see a problem in one system can actually cause problems in other systems as a secondary effect. <br /> <br /> There is obvious evidence that the vaccines are capable of causing inflammation and damage in some tissues, one of the big ones that has been confirmed is myocarditis. Although I don’t know that the exact mechanism of this inflammation is known, it is known that spike protein binds to ACE2 receptors. Now ACE2 receptors are scattered all over the body, they are located on what we call endothelial cells, which are the cells that line the inside of your blood vessels. <br /> <br /> Now, reportedly they added some sugar molecules to the binding sites of the spike protein in the vaccine, which they believed would make it unable to bind with ACE2 receptors. However, given that people are getting myocarditis, it’s entirely possible that things either don’t work or don’t always work exactly as these companies expected. I do want to point out that myocarditis ALSO has been documented with Covid infection, which leads me to believe that the cause of both is probably the same, and the only similarity of the vaccine and the virus is the spike protein, ergo it’s likely that the spike protein is responsible for myocarditis in both.<br /> <br /> If this is indeed the case, and as we discussed previously, ACE2 receptors are spread throughout your body, then it would be expected that spike protein from vaccine or infection could literally impact any tissue within the body. The question would then be, what the bio distribution of the spike protein was. Or in other words how much spike protein happened to be in the blood stream and what tissues to it go to the most in a given person. <br /> <br /> Back to Pulmonary Hypertension which we discussed briefly above. The lungs like that heart have a particularly large amount of ACE2 in the blood vessel lining. If spike protein is indeed binding to these blood vessels and causing inflammation, it is possibly causing tiny blood clots and damage the the lungs. This blood vessel damage could then lead to increased blood pressure in the lungs making the heart work harder and the lungs less efficient in their function. <br /> <br /> At this point in time there are lots of people trying to work out all the details of what is, what is not, and why it’s happening. Unfortunately right now there are a ton of open questions that do not have definitive answers. I wish I could tell you more than that. When that is the situation, then we don’t always know what tests are appropriate for diagnosis or what medication or therapy to treat. <br /> <br /> As far as possible post vaccine problems, we have a lot to sort out. There are some people that have started treating these vaccine patients similar to long haul Covid patients. I have heard some reports of improvement after these treatments. Please realize that improvement after a treatment does not mean that the treatment worked, it means the person improved which could have been due to either the treatment or the person naturally getting over it themselves. That’s why things need good research and study to tell the difference between the two.<br /> <br /> Here is one resource for reference about long haul Covid treatment people are using. <br /> <br /> https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-...-Protocol-for-Long-Haul-C0VlD-19-Syndrome.pdf (This link is probably broken, change the word Covid to the correct spelling)<br /> <br /> Certainly you should discuss this with your doctor and see if they think it is appropriate. If you disagree with your doctor you can always seek out a second option from another doctor. There are doctors that believe the vaccine is highly safe and some that think it is likely unsafe. So seeking out a doctor that has vaccine concerns will probably be the best route to go. However under no circumstances should you try to self diagnose, treat, or medicate yourself.<br /> <br /> Sorry I can’t be more helpful, at this time there are far too many unknowns, hopefully we get clarity and answers soon.</div>

 

[Antifragile]

<div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/26815/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="26815" data-username="@GIlman">@GIlman</a> <br /> I always enjoy reading your posts on this topic. Because your posts are balanced, I find them very useful. This is in stark contrast to the anti and pro vaccine hard liners. Thanks for taking the time to write such detailed and balanced posts on this forum. I literally clicked on this thread because I saw you replied. Thanks!<br /> <br /> As to the OP / anonymous: I’m thinking this forum is best for entrepreneurs and you should seek medical advice from medical professionals. Hopefully not just online. But I can understand the frustration of not getting answers from doctors. Many doctors are also not good at their jobs. Keep fighting and searching. Wishing you a speedy recovery.</div>

 

[David Fitz]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 91038" data-quote="Dirtymaco" data-source="post: 961007" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=961007" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-961007">Dirtymaco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> 1. All the diagnostics you have had done tells me the problem is probably way more psychological than physiological.<br /> <br /> 2. Gluten wont kill you, diary wont kill you.<br /> <br /> 3. Getting a shot was a great choice.<br /> <br /> 4. Looking for medical answers on &quot;entrepreneur&quot; forum where lay people recommend random testing and &quot;naturopathic and functional doctor&quot; is stupid and dangerous<br /> <br /> 5. I dont know where you are from or how medical system works in your country but it looks to me like you need a proper talk with your personal doctor who would idealy take at least 1h and present some kind of CBT.<br /> <br /> Also SSRI are maybe, but definitely not without cognitive-behavioural therapy.<br /> Stay as far away from benzos as possible.<br /> <br /> Best of luck,<br /> MD </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> The person who wants to remain anonymous clearly said it was from the shot. Why don&#039;t you want to believe this?<br /> <br /> This is happening all over the world and it&#039;s not the first time I&#039;ve heard of someone having a negative effect from the shot.</div>

 

[Guest84834]

<div class="bbWrapper">Yes. It&#039;s like how doctors tell you that I&#039;m right and you are wrong.</div>

 

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[Fox]

<div class="bbWrapper">Spoke with the OP on this one and he appreciates all of the advice on here and agrees that it may not be best to search for medical advice on the forum, just has been frustrated with the lack of answers/results from going to doctors for 4 months now.<br /> <br /> He also wanted to mention he isn&#039;t taking any of the SSRIs or Benzos that doctors are recommending and is instead trying to solve this by working with a physical therapist and other doctors in the area/speaking to a therapist to try to get through this.</div>

 

[BlackMagician]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 33771" data-quote="Fox" data-source="post: 960938" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=960938" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-960938">Fox said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> 2. In the last few months (it’s gotten worse over time and continues to trend in the wrong direction) I’ve had pains that started in my hands that’s moved down into my wrist and now my forearms (in addition to the rib discomfort). </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I don&#039;t know about your (OP) other symptoms but i had covid V2 (ofcourse i don&#039;t believe it though), i had this symptom.<br /> <br /> Showed to lots of doctors. No one had any clue even after many different tests.<br /> Then i visited my family doctor and he told me to test Vitamin D3 level. I did and found that my Vitamin D3 level has gone way below danger level.<br /> <br /> Then he inscribed me with MUST D3 60k tablet and another auto immune system recover tablet and told me to take it DAILY. This 60k dose is very high actually and should be consumed once per week but due to my condition, he told me to take once per day every morning, empty stomach.<br /> In 5 days, i saw the results that my pains stated subduing starting from my forearms to my hand.<br /> I also took plenty of sunlight, eggs etc in that period.<br /> <br /> I know these are very common knowledge in US but this might help.<br /> <br /> EDIT: I would suggest to take Vitamin D3 blood test. In Indian report, the average D3 level should be between 30 to 100. Mine was below 10. Doctor said my bones can be broken with little pressure. So if possible, check your D3. It will take 24 hrs for the report. It&#039;s just a report so no risk there. Still this is not a medical advice. I would suggest to talk to your doctor about your Vitamin D3 and ask him if its ok to do the test.<br /> <br /> Edit 2:<br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> that it may not be best to search for medical advice on the forum </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yeah.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> symptoms as Long Haul C0VlD Syndrome (LHCS) </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I think i had this.</div>

 

[Simon Angel]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 58553" data-quote="BlackMagician" data-source="post: 961189" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=961189" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-961189">BlackMagician said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I don&#039;t know about your other symptoms but i had C0VlD V2 (ofcourse i don&#039;t believe it though), i had this symptom.<br /> <br /> Showed to lots of doctors. No one had any clue even after many different tests.<br /> Then i visited my family doctor and he told me to test Vitamin D3 level. I did and found that my Vitamin D3 level has gone way below danger level.<br /> <br /> Then he inscribed me with MUST D3 60k tablet and another auto immune system recover tablet and told me to take it DAILY. This 60k dose is very high actually and should be consumed once per week but due to my condition, he told me to take once per day every morning, empty stomach.<br /> In 5 days, i saw the results that my pains stated subduing starting from my forearms to my hand.<br /> I also took plenty of sunlight, eggs etc in that period.<br /> <br /> I know these are very common knowledge in US but this might help. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> This might be it.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <h3 class="bbHeading">Vitamin D deficiency&#8203;</h3>Low levels of vitamin D can cause the costochondral junctions in the rib to grow, and this can potentially cause <b>costochondritis</b>. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <h2 class="bbHeading">Signs and symptoms&#8203;</h2>Symptoms of <b>costochondritis </b>include:<br /> <br /> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sharp chest pain, which feels worse when coughing, sneezing or breathing heavily, and;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Tenderness or swelling in the joints between the cartilage and rib or breastbone.</li> </ul> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Vitamin D deficiency is known to cause hypertrophic costochondral junctions in children (“rachitic rosaries”) and sternal pain in adults diagnosed with osteomalacia. <b>We propose that vitamin D deficiency may be related to the chest pain associated with costochondritis</b>. In patients diagnosed with costochondritis, physicians <b>should consider testing and treating for vitamin D deficiency.</b> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Those patients who present with atypical chest pains, <b>in whom cardiac causes have been ruled out</b>, most likely have rib pains rather than the fashionable term &quot;costochondritis&quot; (press on the xiphoid process gently to see the exquisite tenderness. Those patients with tender bones (they don&#039;t like to be touched) are very likely to have vitamin D deficiency. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Source: <a href="https://healthand.com/bg/topic/general-report/costochondritis" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Costochondritis - Health&amp;</a>, <a href="https://www.hindawi.com/journals/crim/2012/375730/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Chest Pain and Costochondritis Associated with Vitamin D Deficiency: A Report of Two Cases</a>, <a href="https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/11/02/vitamin-d-deficiency" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Vitamin D deficiency</a><br /> <br /> @OP Are you taking VItamin D?</div>

 

[Lyinx]

<div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/33771/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="33771" data-username="@Fox">@Fox</a> <br /> this comes from someone that has worked with all kinds of natural remedies (not from myself) and I asked her for suggestions:<br /> <br /> Immediately after the jab: charcoal plaster, and maybe alternate with putting a slice of lemon directly on the injection site<br /> <br /> In your case, if you have gone on for a while: find someone who can help you (naturally) do a heavy detox. there are different types of detoxes available, any one of them might help. or, just do some research on detox methods and find one that you find appealing to you. <br /> <br /> Please keep us updated on your progress, as I (and many more) would like to know how you make out with this</div>