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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 85647" data-quote="markspray" data-source="post: 1154121" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1154121" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1154121">markspray said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> The more you do the better you will get at settling the nerves, imposter syndrome is always there. When your on a roll with sales you will find it&#039;s less there as your winning deals and your confidence increases.<br /> <br /> Why do you feel like you won&#039;t be able to deliver?<br /> <br /> So I frame the meeting I&#039;m going to as I&#039;m here to see if I can help them, no pressure to close in fact I don&#039;t even know if I can help them. And if I don&#039;t win I got better at sales as a win as I learn where I went wrong and adapt for next time.<br /> <br /> Like I told my son people love talking about their business, in fact no one ever goes up to them and ask them about their business. Like imagine a party and you start yapping about your business an eye&#039;s roll like yeap ok whatever. But you care you&#039;re on a mission to find out about their business and let them talk as no one ever ask them this stuff.<br /> <br /> It will help calm your nerves once you realise the goal is to let them talk more than you. One of my good buddies has a quote there is a reason you have 2 ears and one mouth lol.<br /> <br /> As they talk just get curious about there business, what there main problem is with the website for example, what would it look like if you fix it so you know what they looking for<br /> <br /> Just have fun, come back into this thread if you need to an update your journery. Man my first few leads I was so nervous I&#039;m suprised I closed them at all.<br /> <br /> Means your at the edge of your comfort zone is, this is where the magic happens congrats on getting a meeting <span class="smilie smilie--emoji" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8" data-shortname=":D">😀</span> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>i took your approach and i went with the approach of how can i help them. The meeting actually went really well! I got to know more about their business, their experience and some of the challenges that they have faced. They were lovely people. I just need to develop a proposal for them and see where it goes from here. Thanks for the advice!!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 139515" data-quote="i_like_quinoa" data-source="post: 1154288" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1154288" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1154288">i_like_quinoa said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> i took your approach and i went with the approach of how can i help them. The meeting actually went really well! I got to know more about their business, their experience and some of the challenges that they have faced. They were lovely people. I just need to develop a proposal for them and see where it goes from here. Thanks for the advice!! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Great update, one down and now next one becomes easier. People love talking about their baby, look forward to seeing how you keep rolling along in your journey</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 139515" data-quote="i_like_quinoa" data-source="post: 1154288" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1154288" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1154288">i_like_quinoa said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I just need to develop a proposal for them and see where it goes from here. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Don&#039;t overthink or complicate this. In 15 years providing digital marketing services I haven&#039;t sent a single formal proposal.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ll knock up an email with a few paragraphs and bullet points and make it easy for them to say yes.<br /> <br /> They understand you need to earn revenue, and they understand you won&#039;t have all the answers from day one.<br /> <br /> My clients normally pay monthly, and I often suggest the first month is a test month where we do X, Y, and Z to see if our strategies are a good fit for their business. They like that upfront honesty.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23590" data-quote="Andy Black" data-source="post: 1154309" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1154309" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1154309">Andy Black said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Don&#039;t overthink or complicate this. In 15 years providing digital marketing services I haven&#039;t sent a single formal proposal.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ll knock up an email with a few paragraphs and bullet points and make it easy for them to say yes.<br /> <br /> They understand you need to earn revenue, and they understand you won&#039;t have all the answers from day one.<br /> <br /> My clients normally pay monthly, and I often suggest the first month is a test month where we do X, Y, and Z to see if our strategies are a good fit for their business. They like that upfront honesty. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Agree with Andy here, I also dropped proposal&#039;s years back. <br /> <br /> Makes it harder for them to digest without you there and lets face it this aren&#039;t massive projects for most of us.<br /> <br /> If I can&#039;t get a verbal yes at meeting like ok investment is X than the proposal request can be a stall or I left it open to much for them to make a decision<br /> <br /> The only email i&#039;m going to send is the details of what we discussed and what I&#039;m going to do to confirm it all, or if I&#039;m unsure we going to test the waters with an ad and they cover the spend.<br /> <br /> Use AI to speed things up here, I just use a prompt (very rough just thought what do i type) &quot;make this email grade 5 reading level, the person should want to say yes in their head to my offer and keep it concise and I&#039;m providing &lt;insert services&gt; for this price, and make it conversational as I discovered this is the current problem they are facing &lt;insert problem&gt; &quot;<br /> <br /> Again it&#039;s just confirming what we spoke about so they agree and i issue invoice here</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 85647" data-quote="markspray" data-source="post: 1154397" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1154397" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1154397">markspray said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Agree with Andy here, I also dropped proposal&#039;s years back.<br /> <br /> Makes it harder for them to digest without you there and lets face it this aren&#039;t massive projects for most of us.<br /> <br /> If I can&#039;t get a verbal yes at meeting like ok investment is X than the proposal request can be a stall or I left it open to much for them to make a decision<br /> <br /> The only email i&#039;m going to send is the details of what we discussed and what I&#039;m going to do to confirm it all, or if I&#039;m unsure we going to test the waters with an ad and they cover the spend.<br /> <br /> Use AI to speed things up here, I just use a prompt (very rough just thought what do i type) &quot;make this email grade 5 reading level, the person should want to say yes in their head to my offer and keep it concise and I&#039;m providing &lt;insert services&gt; for this price, and make it conversational as I discovered this is the current problem they are facing &lt;insert problem&gt; &quot;<br /> <br /> Again it&#039;s just confirming what we spoke about so they agree and i issue invoice here </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Love using AI to streamline communications. Dirty secret, I even use it sometimes with annoying emails from family members.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">So just to be clear, you recommend simple targeting categories like &quot;small business owners&quot;, and the ads should link to &quot;instant forms&quot; on Facebook instead of going to your site to complete a form there?<br /> <br /> I have a website and ads made, and am just configuring Facebook Ads so I can launch.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 145191" data-quote="lem999" data-source="post: 1156394" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1156394" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1156394">lem999 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> So just to be clear, you recommend simple targeting categories like &quot;small business owners&quot;, and the ads should link to &quot;instant forms&quot; on Facebook instead of going to your site to complete a form there?<br /> <br /> I have a website and ads made, and am just configuring Facebook Ads so I can launch. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Nope don&#039;t target interests or categories <span class="smilie smilie--emoji" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8" data-shortname=":D">😀</span> Just go age range 30-65 for example, and the location radius around your home location.<br /> <br /> Ads will find there targets if you write them well as facebook is reading your image and ad copy as well<br /> <br /> And test as always but lead forms work fine and still do</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 85647" data-quote="markspray" data-source="post: 1156395" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1156395" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1156395">markspray said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> test as always but lead forms work fine and still do </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Funny how we can sell web design services without sending people to our website. We sold over 20 landing pages without having a landing page.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23590" data-quote="Andy Black" data-source="post: 1156398" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1156398" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1156398">Andy Black said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Funny how we can sell web design services without sending people to our website. We sold over 20 landing pages without having a landing page. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>so true the more you do it think why did I think it was so important over other simple things, like just having a chat with a person and building trust works majority of the time.<br /> <br /> we have framed it more into being specialists in getting people to call or book. Like hey if you want the most pretty website that looks cute and will never convert I’m not the guy for you.<br /> <br /> Was just thinking the other days it feels like years since someone has asked to see my portfolio or case studies lol</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 85647" data-quote="markspray" data-source="post: 1156395" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1156395" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1156395">markspray said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Nope don&#039;t target interests or categories <span class="smilie smilie--emoji" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8" data-shortname=":D">😀</span> Just go age range 30-65 for example, and the location radius around your home location.<br /> <br /> Ads will find there targets if you write them well as facebook is reading your image and ad copy as well<br /> <br /> And test as always but lead forms work fine and still do </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Good to know, thanks for the reply. I&#039;m going to run my ads this weekend, I&#039;ll let you guys know how it goes</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 85647" data-quote="markspray" data-source="post: 1156401" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1156401" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1156401">markspray said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> so true the more you do it think why did I think it was so important over other simple things, like just having a chat with a person and building trust works majority of the time.<br /> <br /> we have framed it more into being specialists in getting people to call or book. Like hey if you want the most pretty website that looks cute and will never convert I’m not the guy for you.<br /> <br /> Was just thinking the other days it feels like years since someone has asked to see my portfolio or case studies lol </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>No-one has ever asked me for a portfolio. Mind you, I explain how we work and how Google Ads works by telling stories of what happened with previous clients, and my LinkedIn profile lists who I&#039;ve worked with. I presume some people who might want to see a portfolio have all their questions answered that way. If anyone does ask for a portfolio now then it&#039;s a bit of a red flag.<br /> <br /> Oh, and if they&#039;re too precious about the look of their website I sometimes ask &quot;Do you want a pretty website, or a pretty bank account?&quot;</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Son&#039;s dad should also take some rep.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Hi <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/85647/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="85647" data-username="@markspray">@markspray</a> ,<br /> <br /> I am just checking in to see how you are going. <br /> <br /> Hope everything is well!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 139515" data-quote="i_like_quinoa" data-source="post: 1157327" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1157327" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1157327">i_like_quinoa said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hi <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/85647/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="85647" data-username="@markspray">@markspray</a> ,<br /> <br /> I am just checking in to see how you are going.<br /> <br /> Hope everything is well! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>He&#039;s still rock and rolling, got stuck in fulfillment mode. This is the dangerous part as your rolling in cash and you take your eyes off sales.<br /> <br /> And then you have to scramble to fill the bank up as you realise your cycle from lead to money in the bank is 2-3 weeks.<br /> <br /> We moving away from the ads where he&#039;s new to web design as that&#039;s no longer true and he&#039;s been increasing his prices up.<br /> <br /> Ads we continue to write better as got some help from a copywriter who was testing some new ad copy for his clients, <br /> always never be afraid to ask for help and test and test.<br /> <br /> The new copy is attracting higher clients and today he&#039;s off to see a lead in person that owns a shipping container and auction firm, and he&#039;s closed of a larger project. So when people see this post why I continually say focus on the ad copy nothing else for the facebook ads once you set age + location.<br /> <br /> Me personally had 2 cracking months where I broke new revenue goals, a lot of this was selling websites or renovating them. <br /> <br /> Hows everyone else going in here, drop any questions and happy to answer another wave of them <span class="smilie smilie--emoji" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8" data-shortname=":D">😀</span></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 85647" data-quote="markspray" data-source="post: 1157535" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1157535" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1157535">markspray said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> He&#039;s still rock and rolling, got stuck in fulfillment mode. This is the dangerous part as your rolling in cash and you take your eyes off sales.<br /> <br /> And then you have to scramble to fill the bank up as you realise your cycle from lead to money in the bank is 2-3 weeks.<br /> <br /> We moving away from the ads where he&#039;s new to web design as that&#039;s no longer true and he&#039;s been increasing his prices up.<br /> <br /> Ads we continue to write better as got some help from a copywriter who was testing some new ad copy for his clients,<br /> always never be afraid to ask for help and test and test.<br /> <br /> The new copy is attracting higher clients and today he&#039;s off to see a lead in person that owns a shipping container and auction firm, and he&#039;s closed of a larger project. So when people see this post why I continually say focus on the ad copy nothing else for the facebook ads once you set age + location.<br /> <br /> Me personally had 2 cracking months where I broke new revenue goals, a lot of this was selling websites or renovating them.<br /> <br /> Hows everyone else going in here, drop any questions and happy to answer another wave of them <span class="smilie smilie--emoji" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8" data-shortname=":D">😀</span> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Nice! I can confirm that this strategy works. So no interest targeting?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I started running ads two days ago. I spent about $40 with nothing to show, and then all of a sudden I got two leads within about 30 mins of each other about an hour ago. Do you recommend emailing clients first to set up a call or meeting, or do you recommend calling right off the bat?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 145191" data-quote="lem999" data-source="post: 1157567" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1157567" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1157567">lem999 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I started running ads two days ago. I spent about $40 with nothing to show, and then all of a sudden I got two leads within about 30 mins of each other about an hour ago. Do you recommend emailing clients first to set up a call or meeting, or do you recommend calling right off the bat? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>congrats, yeah never know when the leads will flow.<br /> <br /> Always call up, never fear the phone. Quicker the better as they know they filled out an ad and expect a call from someone they don&#039;t know.<br /> <br /> Your trying to get a conversation first, as sometimes they won&#039;t be a fit, so you got to see if you can help them first and a call can be done in 5-10mins. I&#039;ve sold straight off that call sometimes and next step is send the invoice if I get a verbal yes, or if feel it needs a zoom call or in person i&#039;ll then book a meeting<br /> <br /> If you want can automate some emails to fire off after they fill in the lead form but only if it dosn&#039;t slow you down focusing on running leads <span class="smilie smilie--emoji" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8" data-shortname=":D">😀</span></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 85647" data-quote="markspray" data-source="post: 1157570" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1157570" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1157570">markspray said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> congrats, yeah never know when the leads will flow.<br /> <br /> Always call up, never fear the phone. Quicker the better as they know they filled out an ad and expect a call from someone they don&#039;t know.<br /> <br /> Your trying to get a conversation first, as sometimes they won&#039;t be a fit, so you got to see if you can help them first and a call can be done in 5-10mins. I&#039;ve sold straight off that call sometimes and next step is send the invoice if I get a verbal yes, or if feel it needs a zoom call or in person i&#039;ll then book a meeting<br /> <br /> If you want can automate some emails to fire off after they fill in the lead form but only if it dosn&#039;t slow you down focusing on running leads <span class="smilie smilie--emoji" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8" data-shortname=":D">😀</span> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>oh do you actually send invoice, following the call? <br /> <br /> I send proposal and await confirmation. Once confirmed, I send invoice. Is that too many steps in the funnel?<br /> <br /> Should I basically get verbal confirmation in the call. Subsequent email is &quot;Thank you for confirming/accepting...etc. Here is invoice....&quot;?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 96450" data-quote="ZackerySprague" data-source="post: 1157543" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1157543" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1157543">ZackerySprague said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Nice! I can confirm that this strategy works. So no interest targeting? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Curious what&#039;s the audience size of your location. I was doing some comparisons for my ecom business yesterday and found that an interest group in USA has the same audience size as Australia. In total</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 139515" data-quote="i_like_quinoa" data-source="post: 1157584" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1157584" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1157584">i_like_quinoa said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> oh do you actually send invoice, following the call?<br /> <br /> I send proposal and await confirmation. Once confirmed, I send invoice. Is that too many steps in the funnel?<br /> <br /> Should I basically get verbal confirmation in the call. Subsequent email is &quot;Thank you for confirming/accepting...etc. Here is invoice....&quot;? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Very rare I send a proposal, i consider the invoice the proposal lol<br /> <br /> Usually ok I can help you build that website you need and it will do exactly what your asking. (more to it then this but..)<br /> <br /> The investment is $2500 for example and we take 50% up front and 50% only when your happy with the website to go live.<br /> <br /> Does that sound like a plan? Yeap, cool im going to fire over an invoice for everything we just discussed, flick me a receipt or I have credit card option to pay, then we get the show on the road and I&#039;ll advise next steps and we aim to get this done in 14 days so I can schedule you in as a priority.<br /> <br /> Look forward to working together .... and so on.<br /> <br /> Proposal your leaving them to think about it and to be honest your not a massive marketing agency so while it might feel cool in the beggining to send proposals will cause stalls to happen on your sales <span class="smilie smilie--emoji" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8" data-shortname=":D">😀</span></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 93557" data-quote="AnNvr" data-source="post: 1157794" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1157794" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1157794">AnNvr said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Mark, may I bother you with a DM for one genuine question? Thanks in advance </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Fire away, or just drop a comment in here as could help others <span class="smilie smilie--emoji" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8" data-shortname=":D">😀</span></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Hey Mark,<br /> <br /> How do you deal with prospects that have said they will pay the invoice, in terms of initial deposit, to get started but it&#039;s been a few days. The general tone of the prospect is that they were warm and did need help. I don&#039;t want to be too pushy but I still want to make that sale, if that makes sense.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 139515" data-quote="i_like_quinoa" data-source="post: 1158048" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1158048" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1158048">i_like_quinoa said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hey Mark,<br /> <br /> How do you deal with prospects that have said they will pay the invoice, in terms of initial deposit, to get started but it&#039;s been a few days. The general tone of the prospect is that they were warm and did need help. I don&#039;t want to be too pushy but I still want to make that sale, if that makes sense. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>This a great question, i also encounter this from time. In fact just closed a $2k monthly retainer today from a lead that said they would go ahead last month. And the reason was they had hired another lawyer so had gotten so had got sidetracked.<br /> <br /> They ride the high of saying YES to you and then in their mind it is done, and then forget about the invoice lol.<br /> <br /> I mean how often do we do the same get the invoice then think ok I&#039;ll do the payment later, then forget.<br /> <br /> To better handle it was thinking it&#039;s more the expectation when you close the deal, like hey i&#039;m going to send the invoice and I can get the team started on friday as soon as we get the deposit. Then I don&#039;t feel like an idiot following up as I set the expectation of what was next.<br /> <br /> I try to not be like where is the money, so with lawyer saw an opportunity to tag her on a refferal like hey can you help this person, just to jog their memory.<br /> <br /> Or i&#039;ll just be upfront like hey just seeing if you had any other questions as got the team ready to start your project as we just finished up another so ready to go and want to make you a priority first. And attach the invoice again as heck save them digging around for it.<br /> <br /> Hope that helps some others might chip in</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 139515" data-quote="i_like_quinoa" data-source="post: 1158048" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1158048" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1158048">i_like_quinoa said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hey Mark,<br /> <br /> How do you deal with prospects that have said they will pay the invoice, in terms of initial deposit, to get started but it&#039;s been a few days. The general tone of the prospect is that they were warm and did need help. I don&#039;t want to be too pushy but I still want to make that sale, if that makes sense. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>You could send a short email asking if they got the invoice and saying you&#039;re looking forward to getting started.<br /> <br /> Have something like Streak for Gmail to check if they opened the email. If they did then leave it a few more days. If they didn&#039;t then maybe call them up.<br /> <br /> Personally, I may or may not bother following up after that. They either want to start or they don&#039;t. Some come back a few weeks later as they were busy, like <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/85647/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="85647" data-username="@markspray">@markspray</a> said above. If they didn&#039;t reply at all then I consider it a bit rude, and a No.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 139515" data-quote="i_like_quinoa" data-source="post: 1158048" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1158048" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1158048">i_like_quinoa said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hey Mark,<br /> <br /> How do you deal with prospects that have said they will pay the invoice, in terms of initial deposit, to get started but it&#039;s been a few days. The general tone of the prospect is that they were warm and did need help. I don&#039;t want to be too pushy but I still want to make that sale, if that makes sense. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I&#039;m I&#039;m kind of the same situation, the prospect seems very warm and I already put in some work, but they were supposed to pay Monday already. Sent him a message yesterday, but got no reply.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">So question about the thread titles makeup and its segmentation &quot;<br /> <h3 class="bbHeading"><a class="u-anchorTarget" name="-how-my-19-year-old-son-someone-i-know-the-rapport-builder-built-an-8k-web-design-business-results-the-social-proof-in-60-days-fast-solution-to-the-pain-point-is-that-correct"></a>&quot;How My 19-Year-Old Son (Someone I know) &quot;The rapport builder&quot;| Built an $8K Web Design Business (Results) &quot;The social proof&quot;| in 60 Days (Fast)&quot;Solution to the pain-point&quot;.&quot;<br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 15px"><i>Is that correct?</i></span><br />&#8203;<a class="hoverLink" href="#-how-my-19-year-old-son-someone-i-know-the-rapport-builder-built-an-8k-web-design-business-results-the-social-proof-in-60-days-fast-solution-to-the-pain-point-is-that-correct" title="Permanent link"></a></h3></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 114358" data-quote="jluysvi" data-source="post: 1158074" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1158074" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1158074">jluysvi said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I&#039;m I&#039;m kind of the same situation, the prospect seems very warm and I already put in some work, but they were supposed to pay Monday already. Sent him a message yesterday, but got no reply. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>It happens man. From what you&#039;ve said, there&#039;s a 80% chance they&#039;ll pay up within the next 2 weeks.<br /> <br /> People are busy, keep reminding them gently, and keep farming for more prospects.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 85647" data-quote="markspray" data-source="post: 1158050" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1158050" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1158050">markspray said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> This a great question, i also encounter this from time. In fact just closed a $2k monthly retainer today from a lead that said they would go ahead last month. And the reason was they had hired another lawyer so had gotten so had got sidetracked.<br /> <br /> They ride the high of saying YES to you and then in their mind it is done, and then forget about the invoice lol.<br /> <br /> I mean how often do we do the same get the invoice then think ok I&#039;ll do the payment later, then forget.<br /> <br /> To better handle it was thinking it&#039;s more the expectation when you close the deal, like hey i&#039;m going to send the invoice and I can get the team started on friday as soon as we get the deposit. Then I don&#039;t feel like an idiot following up as I set the expectation of what was next.<br /> <br /> I try to not be like where is the money, so with lawyer saw an opportunity to tag her on a refferal like hey can you help this person, just to jog their memory.<br /> <br /> Or i&#039;ll just be upfront like hey just seeing if you had any other questions as got the team ready to start your project as we just finished up another so ready to go and want to make you a priority first. And attach the invoice again as heck save them digging around for it.<br /> <br /> Hope that helps some others might chip in </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Hey Mark. what do you offer on a retainer worth 2000.<br /> <br /> Is adspend included in this?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 145549" data-quote="FJ123" data-source="post: 1158079" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1158079" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1158079">FJ123 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It happens man. From what you&#039;ve said, there&#039;s a 80% chance they&#039;ll pay up within the next 2 weeks.<br /> <br /> People are busy, keep reminding them gently, and keep farming for more prospects. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I&#039;m going to start cold calling today, mainly clients in industrial areas and lawyers, looking on Google Maps and checking if the websites look old/outdated.</div>
 

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