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OFF-TOPIC Game of Thrones Season 8 Thread (SPOILERS)

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I've enjoyed GOT since the beginning and I'm still enjoying it. Sure, some things make absolutely zero sense now, but we won't know everything until the last 2 episodes. I also try not to focus so hard on the what if's and whether or not the writing makes sense, as doing so helps me be a little bit more shocked. I thought for sure Tyrion was going to die by a volley of arrows. So far I'm enjoying this season and I like seeing what millions and millions of dollars per episode gets you.

There are quite a few ways this can end.

Sansa takes the throne because dani dies.
Jon takes the throne because dani was killed in battle or by varys because of sansa.
Dani takes the throne and jon goes back to the north.
Dani + Jon rule together.
Cersei wins and keeps the throne.
Somewhere Jaime kills Cersei.
Bran raises the dead again and no one gets the throne.

I like wondering, but I'm happy to know that I'll know what happens within the next 2 weeks :D
 

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Snooze fest filled with filler...

So many great things are getting anti-climatic demises, first 6 years of the Night King, defeated in 1 episode. ANother dragon killed by sheer stupidity. Why not fly the dragons at NIGHT and destroy Euron's fleet? Oh, that would be using your brain and constitute actual strategic thinking.

The writing in this season is terrible, like you can tell they're just trying to close up shop and go home.
I understand flying dragons during the day, because Dany is too arrogant to think anything bad could happen, but what really annoyed me was after the dragon is killed, Dany takes her last dragon and handful of troops and puts them under firing range of balistas...and Cersei doesn't take advantage of it. lol
 
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They've spent too much money on super bowl ads and CGI, not enough on writing a decent series.
 

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While there were plot holes in last night's episode 4, I enjoyed it moreso than the other episodes this season. The death of the dragon, however stupidly it came about, was the only death this season that really hit me. The rest I could care less about and were expected, but something about this was different. With that said, Euron's on screen character is a joke and it's hard to take serious a maniacal swashbuckler who lusts over Cercei more than anything else.

I was also surprised to see Danaerys stand in front of Cersei with numerous Scorpion bows and archers all looking out at them. It could've just ended there.

Anyways, looking forward, Emilia Clarke said on Jimmy Kimmel that Episode 5 was going to be the best episode of the season. I hope she doesn't disappoint.

I have to say, as much as I loved this series, I'm ready to put it in the past. It's the last series I will be watching for a while, and don't plan on catching any of the spinoffs.
 

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I enjoyed watching episode 4, but the more I think about it the more I hated it.

Really, the flying dragon couldn't see a fleet of ships on the ocean? Are they blind? And how the hell did they manage to snipe a flying dragon from a ship moving on waves with such deadly accuracy?

That is just the start...
 

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Season 8, Episode 4:

Bad Things:

  • Euron continues to be a terrible villain that inspires sighs rather than fear.
  • We learn that 6/7ths of Westeros bent the knee to Aegon Targaryen because no one thought to build a big crossbow.
  • Only one person (#SansafortheThrone) realizes that sending your army halfway across the country immediately after the most brutal fight of their life (that has likely left them not just weakened, but emotionally broken) is a bad idea.
  • No one considers using the supernatural assassin that KILLED A GODLIKE BEING to assassinate a human queen.
  • Splitting your army.
  • Scorpions hit with more force than cannonballs.
  • Scorpions have the accuracy of 21st-century anti-aircraft guns.
  • Scorpions reload in less than a minute.
  • Crossbows reload in literally six seconds.
  • Crossbow literally shown to take a handcrank to reload (and a fair bit of time) takes literally six seconds via sellsword's hand.
  • Hand of the Queen drinks without an armed guard.
  • No one considers that you're not getting royal approval to give the richest territory/castle to a sellsword.
  • Sellsword that has developed a friendship with two characters immediately discards that friendship to be an a-hole. The issue is not that he is willing to kill them, but that he suddenly acts like he has never liked them.
  • Captured hostage doesn't tackle queen standing next to her and have both of them fall to their death.
  • Queen doesn't shoot Hand of the OTHER Queen, despite having no interest in maintaining the illusion of order or respect.
  • Teleportation
  • Too few bodies to be burned.
  • Size of Dany's army continues to be horribly inconsistent.
  • Jon doesn't say goodbye to Ghost or pet him.
  • Ghost is lazily CGI'd.
  • People take literally facing down the dead in pretty good spirits. One would think their entire psyche would be broken.
  • Pirate doesn't use crossbows or bows to murder everyone in the water after he destroys their ships.
  • Pirate doesn't have a second layer of the trap to spring when people swim to Dragonstone.

Good Things:

  • "Now, which one of you cowards shit in my pants?"
 

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Euron continues to be a terrible villain that inspires sighs rather than fear.
This is the longest running bummer of the show, imo. Book Euron is a certified badass, but show Euron is a conniving weasel that just wants to ruin other people's lives... but isn't particularly smart or capable, just mean.

I think this is all going to be great marketing for George R.R. Martin. When show fans get an unsatisfying ending that feels rushed and has plot holes you could drive a truck through, they'll wonder what the ending was supposed to be, and read the new book.

Prediction: George R.R. Martin and HarperCollins will announce The Winds of Winter publishing date within a few weeks of the last episode of the show. It's nuts not to use the publicity of the finale for book sales.
 

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Really, the flying dragon couldn't see a fleet of ships on the ocean? Are they blind? And how the hell did they manage to snipe a flying dragon from a ship moving on waves with such deadly accuracy?
Reminds me of Star Wars dropping bombs in space.

Line of sight... if the arrow can straight-line hit the dragon, that means the dragon and/or Dani should be able to see it. Unless the arrows can curve like a boomerang.
 

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The worst part is that the Night King was supposed to be the thing that put the War of the Five Kingdoms into perspective. Politics give way to an existential threat to the world.
Speaking of which, what happened to Cersei's involvement in the war against the Night King?

Wasn't Cersei's help supposed to be crucial to defeating the dead? I mean they even travelled beyond the wall to capture a wight, brought it ALL THE WAY BACK TO KING'S LANDING just to show it to Cersei to make a temporary truce with her.

Up until the Long Night, Jon believed Cersei was bringing her army to fight for Winterfell, Jaime tells that Cersei is marching troops to take Winterfell.

But what ends up happening?

Cersei's involvement just becomes a non-factor. No one mentions a disadvantage of not having her forces. There's no threat on Winterfell of Cersei marching up to take it. It's like a huge plot-point just drops off the face of the Earth.
 

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There are quite a few ways this can end.

Sansa takes the throne because dani dies.
Jon takes the throne because dani was killed in battle or by varys because of sansa.
Dani takes the throne and jon goes back to the north.
Dani + Jon rule together.
Cersei wins and keeps the throne.
Somewhere Jaime kills Cersei.
Bran raises the dead again and no one gets the throne.

I like wondering, but I'm happy to know that I'll know what happens within the next 2 weeks :D
Lazy Lazy writing... You can tell they are going more for spectacle than story in this season. Really stupid scenes. Fine you wanted to show us one of the dragons being killed, couldn't you make it more sensible?

And they are really building it up to show Dany getting crazy with rage. Basically they killed her dragon and Missandei in one episode to build that Dany will become mad with rage and become her father. Height of lazy writing will be them then showing Jon having to turn against Dany to save the people. But they are really digging themselves up that hole and there seems to be no other way left for the writers to take. So here's a prediction, Cersei is gonna be dead AND Dany is gonna be dead by the end of this season. Jon may become King OR just to instill some sill surprise they will find some minor character becoming King with Jon going back to the north / with the wildlings not wanting to be king.
 

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Reminds me of Star Wars dropping bombs in space.

Line of sight... if the arrow can straight-line hit the dragon, that means the dragon and/or Dani should be able to see it. Unless the arrows can curve like a boomerang.
I'm still wondering whether the scorpions can hit through dragon hide that easily.

Very strange for the 2nd dragon to go down that way.

In LOTR, The Hobbit series, even it took MULTIPLE ballista hits (that's what we would call the scorpions in real-life), plus MULTIPLE black arrows, to make even a dent in Smaug's hide.

Plus, Smaug the dragon flew really fast, with a lot of force to push off most projectiles.
He got hit in the movies when he was too arrogant, and charged Bard the bowman up-front.

Why not fly the dragons at NIGHT and destroy Euron's fleet?
You can also do it with small boats at night (Navy SEALS style), and either choose to capture a few strategic vessels, killing the crew in bed, or if they have explosives or fire, light them up.

Or spread false news about dragon sightings, and bait the fleet to go to a narrow channel of sea, where any catapult or dragon fire can be concentrated to decimate the fleet, or into a very stormy area, ala Yi Sun-Shi style.

BTW the ancient Korean Admiral Yi Sun-Shi's infamous for defeating a numerically Japanese superior fleet, with turtle ships, something like a floating tank.

He had only 13 SHIPS, against 333 Japanese ships, only to totally crush them and even kill the enemy commander with archer fire.
 

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A more enjoyable episode but "rushed" is going to be the buzzword for this season, for certain.

The consistency, pacing and scale is just all over the goddamn place.

Every time they try to tell or show the audience something they somehow manage to screw it up, sometimes basically immediately:

- Biggest fight on earth, over in one evening.
- Everyone died, actually only half died.
- Jaime's good, nah he's evil.
- The troops are wounded and tired, but not a limp or bandage among them.
- The dragons are the ultimate power on earth, actually they are allergic to spears.
- The trip to the capital takes like 4 months, actually it's a single evening.
- Arya hates love, actually she's in love, actually she hates love.

It just goes on and on.

Frankly, this is one time I actually wish the producers WOULD milk the show a bit more, because it's a formula that was working.

The battle with the night king could/should have been most of a season with the next season focusing on the love, betrayal, and politicking of the Jon-Daenerys power struggle along with the final King's Landing battle and final wrap-up and resolution.

Right now every episode feels like a quickly rushed summery of events that should have taken multiple episodes to develop.
 

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The battle with the night king could/should have been most of a season with the next season focusing on the love, betrayal, and politicking of the Jon-Daenerys power struggle along with the final King's Landing battle and final wrap-up and resolution.
Great take, would have been the best for the franchise, and probably made a lot more money for the network too. Instead we're gonna be scratching our heads. A lot.
 

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Well, this season continues to underwhelm... Dany acts like a teenager and takes her anger out from her incestuous love affair on the poor people of Westeros. Think Jon is going to take her out to save the people from another tyrant.

@JAJT I think you're spot on- the writers were like "oh crap we have so many plot lines to tie up in one season, let's make everything super convenient." Yawn...
 

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Euron lived and died like a terrible character.

Last episode the scorpions took out 1 dragon like it was a piece of cake.
This episode the scorpions can't even shoot 2 arrows at once, absolutely contradictory impressions.

Dany decided to kill all the civilians, i thought she was just gonna torch the queen.
I honestly can't believe her character would turn like that, i just don't buy it...

Glad there's just one more episode of this train wreck.


EFFECTS WERE GREAT! what else is new.
 

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What a cluster F*ck. Was this episode directed by Michael Bay?

Soooo... basically you could have taken one dragon and destroyed the city at anytime... like in season 6 or 7... why did you even need an army when you had 3!! dragons? You could have killed Cersei any time you wanted.
 

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Wtf, did I just watch? Danny going for that brute force... Spears are no longer effective (dragon becomes overpowered)... Northerners not following the orders of Jon Snow anymore... A pointless battle between the mountain and the burned face guy... Arya just keeps almost dying... Explosions...
#transformer_vibes
 

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God they F*cked this up. Almost couldn't finish watching. It's really not that hard to make fans happy. Give them what they want. Why should we bother watching the last episode? What could they possibly do to fix any of this and leave fans on a high note?
 

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Silly reasons led to Dany's rage city-burning trip, but it was somehow nice to just see her thinking F*ck this and just go apeshit.

Too many too close calls for Arya in this episode. We knew she wouldn't get killed along the civilians just randomly by bricks or fire.

Sad to see Varys go so soon. I hoped he would have been more involved, but well, it's hard to fulfill every characters history when you have to rush to and ending in seven episodes last season and less this season.

Hated The Mountain, but loved the "F*cking die" from Sandor.

Guess it'll be the Starks and Jon against Dany in the last episode. Don't think many other than her little army supports her now.
 

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The cinematography was nice I suppose. Other than that it was pretty damn dumb. Super assassin getting trampled gets helped up by skinny cowering mother lol.
 

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I refrained from posting in this thread because I hoped that the season would eventually get better. I still hold out hope that in the final episode they'll make up for at least some of the mistakes in the previous episodes, but still...

I would love for the show to end with Tyrion setting up a republic or something like that, with heads of the houses each responsible for their territories and jointly for the entire kingdom to prevent another mad king/queen or a drunkard. It's unlikely this will happen, but that would be a rewarding, different ending than yet another king on the throne (particularly since there are no good options left; they should give Jon a break).

Soooo... basically you could have taken one dragon and destroyed the city at anytime... like in season 6 or 7... why did you even need an army when you had 3!! dragons? You could have killed Cersei any time you wanted.
The whole time I watched this episode I was like: there are no scorpions left, Dany can fly safely all the way to the Red Keep, burn it down and be done with it. Her transformation into a bloodthirsty, cruel tyrant was too rushed, and consequently, not believable. The writers of the series could probably say that Dany wanted Cersei to see the destruction, but there was still too little character development to buy into that. Despite the deaths of Jorah, Rhaegal, Missandei, and Jon rejecting her, Dany has never been portrayed as that impulsive and cold-blooded.

Other than that, they ruined some great character arcs, conflicts, and relationships. Jaime goes from bad to good to realize that he's actually bad. Euron is killed by Jaime, his conflict with Yara is forgotten. Bronn shows up threatening the brothers even though they were good friends. Arya is sometimes invincible and sometimes hopelessly defenseless like a child. The Night King... well, no need to address how they ruined that build-up.

They didn't mess everything up (I like Tyrion's moral struggles, particularly in episode 5 when he sees the catastrophic consequences of not siding with Varys), but overall it's been an unsatisfying season.

It's sad to see that by far one of the best TV series in history ends like that, with many fans of the series disappointed by the sudden change from a well-thought out, well-paced story into yet another rushed, gimmicky TV show. Shows how critically important the ending is, no matter how widely acclaimed and loved your product is.
 

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The "sudden" madness of Dany was actually hinted in season 2, when she enters the [Can't remember the name] house and she sees the iron throne covered by ashes. It's been a while and maybe I've just missed something from the plot, but I'm not surprised about what's happening on the final season. Maybe the way could be arguable, but the end seems like was already decided long time ago.

My actual complain is how rushed seasons 7 & 8 feel. They really needed a few more episodes to slow it down a bit. Seems like teleportation was a thing in the Seven Kingdoms.
 

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Well episode 5 was a steaming pile of garbage.

How the hell did Jaime manage to escape the tent as a prisoner? Sure he was no longer locked up, but he was heavily guarded as well. WTF? Also, wouldn't Dany know right away that he did manage to escape, and therefore execute Tyrion?

The show has zero consistency and they just conveniently leave so much out. The Hound can sneak into the castle, my a$$. The dude is like 6'6" and has the biggest burn marks on his face, oh but he has a hood on so it is ok. Jaime managing to walk through an entire crowd of soldiers going the opposite way, again they don't see him because he has a hood on. Yea F*cking right, he is Jaime Lannister! Probably the second most recognizable person in the entire city. How did he go from close to the center of the city, to all the way outside and down the mountainside to sneak inside in like 20 minutes. That would probably be several hours at the quickest.

The show is just pure eye-candy at this point. There is zero reason to continue watching for story development or plot. It is Lost all over again. Something starts out so well, and just devolves into a steaming pile of "WTF just happened".

Yes I will watch episode 6, but I am not expecting much.
 

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It goes to show Got IS GRR Martin and without him, it's just a sub-par flick with an overkill of CGI.
GoT isn't about the visuals, it isn't about the (astounding) music.. it's about the story/intrigue...

I'm glad I was able to read all the books before watching the corresponding seasons.. I'm sad I've watched season 7 & season 8, as they're just a waste of potential... And I can't wait to erase them with the sheer amount of stories when Martin's book finally comes out.

For those whole love the serie/first series, read the books and enjoy even more!
 

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I think the Dani going crazy thing has been building for a while, after every conquest her title grew along with her ego. There’s a lot of Tao symbolism in GOT and I was hoping the deeper story was going to be linked to that and the principle of yin and yang - balancing of energy, connecting with nature and releasing the ego. The mad rulers were yang and Jon snow (yin) would bring balance to the 7 kingdoms. Now I’m feeling like we might be heading for another Lost ending when you realise you just spent how many hours watching for nothing!
 

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The common thread among the famous as well as the infamous is a dominant meaning-and-purpose. And likewise, the common thread amongst the SCRIPTED sheeple is they have no meaning.Instead, hyperreality babysits—this is why we have a society addicted to Game of Thrones and whoever wins some stupid singing contest.

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Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'll see myself out :)
 

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Ok, here is something I like about the story telling.
The way that the battle is portrayed is somehow interesting. You might think that the characters like Arya and Jon could handle the situations. But they are driven by the circumstances as are all other soldiers. Arya could not protect the woman and her daughter. Jon could not stop the slaughter of the surrendered Lannister Army. The battle brought up its own spirit which at some point was out of control and driven entirely by mass behaviour and/or Dany.

It reminded me a bit of the battle of the bastards. Jon was just a victim in this. No direct control of the situation, just a puppet. The driver and key player were Sansa and Littlefinger in this. Jon just basicaly was lucky. He was lucky back then and he was lucky now.

Luck seems to be a major component of Jon's surviving strategy for GoT. And I think, in a way, this is even realistic...
 

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The common thread among the famous as well as the infamous is a dominant meaning-and-purpose. And likewise, the common thread amongst the SCRIPTED sheeple is they have no meaning.Instead, hyperreality babysits—this is why we have a society addicted to Game of Thrones and whoever wins some stupid singing contest.

--MJ DeMarco in Unscripted

Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'll see myself out :)
lol to be fair, we're here heavily criticizing game of thrones after many seasons of built up trust.
Sheeple would convince themselves GOT is still good.
 

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The common thread among the famous as well as the infamous is a dominant meaning-and-purpose. And likewise, the common thread amongst the SCRIPTED sheeple is they have no meaning.Instead, hyperreality babysits—this is why we have a society addicted to Game of Thrones and whoever wins some stupid singing contest.

--MJ DeMarco in Unscripted

Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'll see myself out :)
Tbh I think there is something to take away from this and the whole thread, now that we have such a bad ending to GoT.

I see comments in this thread from some very succesful fastlaners who I assume spends a lot of time working on their business every single day.

A lot of these people all give the impression from other comments around the forum, that they are not a fan of mindless consumption, which a lot of movies, tv shows etc. enforces from a lot of people.

But the interesting thing is how GoT, in a time where I feel every other production is a series with 5 or more seasons, managed to grab the attention and interest from people who usually couldn't care less for some tv show or how some movie ends.

It goes to show that there are no such thing as market saturation, if you provide a very superior product.

Now without the ending in mind, Game of Thrones have really shown to be a very unique product in its category.

I'm F*KING furious about the last season to be honest, but I admire how a series with so many seasons managed to keep the attention span of its fans for so many years.

Whatever market, industry or category your product/company is, remember that it is not saturated necessarily. But you better damn make sure that you standout and provide something your competitors don't.

Put in the hours and effort and don't think you can slack because its "fine" - it might end up like season 8 of GoT.

Game of Thrones will now be the only fiction books I ever read before.
I NEED a proper ending to this madness..
 

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Good example of the “opening loops” NLP principle.

The show created dozens of loops that just never really went anywhere. A great show is very hard to stop watching because of all the separate stories you want mental resolve on. Have a look at the 1000s of derailed YouTube GOT fan theory videos that now we know will go nowhere.

They stacked the whole show with great stories and characters and never really had any game plan to tie it all off. Reminds me of Lost.

I wonder if that’s the reason they stalled on releasing this season.
 

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That might be a good reason. The problem is they'd need not only a few more chapters, but probably an entire new season or two to tie all that stuff off, and they decided to finish now (I imagine salaries + CGI were getting crazy expensive).

Anyway, I've seen many people complaining for what's actually happened, more than for what's not been tied off.

Some complain about Daenerys going mad (as if she hadn't burned people since season one - she didn't burn cities down much earlier because she had advisers who calmed her down, now she's got none). I bet they wanted her to keep being a heroin and keep her mad side offline.

Some others complain about the Night King being killed quickly by the most skilled assassin in the show. Maybe they were expecting an epic one to one with Jon, but a guy who doesn't melt under dragon fire and has supernatural powers would kill any human out there on a combat that takes longer than 10 seconds (unless they underpower him just for the sake of sword fights).

I might be wrong, but my impression is that people wanted a happy ending with Jon and Daenerys ruling together, Cersei caught and tortured to death, etc. If games of thrones were good for being predictable, they would have lost their audience after season 1.

I wonder what the books (if the author ever finishes...) will tell. Hopefully, they will make some angry fans happy. Others will not be happy because everyone has a different ending in their minds.
 

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