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OFF-TOPIC Game of Thrones Season 8 Thread (SPOILERS)

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Good example of the “opening loops” NLP principle.

The show created dozens of loops that just never really went anywhere. A great show is very hard to stop watching because of all the separate stories you want mental resolve on. Have a look at the 1000s of derailed YouTube GOT fan theory videos that now we know will go nowhere.

They stacked the whole show with great stories and characters and never really had any game plan to tie it all off. Reminds me of Lost.

I wonder if that’s the reason they stalled on releasing this season.
 

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That might be a good reason. The problem is they'd need not only a few more chapters, but probably an entire new season or two to tie all that stuff off, and they decided to finish now (I imagine salaries + CGI were getting crazy expensive).

Anyway, I've seen many people complaining for what's actually happened, more than for what's not been tied off.

Some complain about Daenerys going mad (as if she hadn't burned people since season one - she didn't burn cities down much earlier because she had advisers who calmed her down, now she's got none). I bet they wanted her to keep being a heroin and keep her mad side offline.

Some others complain about the Night King being killed quickly by the most skilled assassin in the show. Maybe they were expecting an epic one to one with Jon, but a guy who doesn't melt under dragon fire and has supernatural powers would kill any human out there on a combat that takes longer than 10 seconds (unless they underpower him just for the sake of sword fights).

I might be wrong, but my impression is that people wanted a happy ending with Jon and Daenerys ruling together, Cersei caught and tortured to death, etc. If games of thrones were good for being predictable, they would have lost their audience after season 1.

I wonder what the books (if the author ever finishes...) will tell. Hopefully, they will make some angry fans happy. Others will not be happy because everyone has a different ending in their minds.
 

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That might be a good reason. The problem is they'd need not only a few more chapters, but probably an entire new season or two to tie all that stuff off, and they decided to finish now (I imagine salaries + CGI were getting crazy expensive).

Anyway, I've seen many people complaining for what's actually happened, more than for what's not been tied off.

Some complain about Daenerys going mad (as if she hadn't burned people since season one - she didn't burn cities down much earlier because she had advisers who calmed her down, now she's got none). I bet they wanted her to keep being a heroin and keep her mad side offline.

Some others complain about the Night King being killed quickly by the most skilled assassin in the show. Maybe they were expecting an epic one to one with Jon, but a guy who doesn't melt under dragon fire and has supernatural powers would kill any human out there on a combat that takes longer than 10 seconds (unless they underpower him just for the sake of sword fights).

I might be wrong, but my impression is that people wanted a happy ending with Jon and Daenerys ruling together, Cersei caught and tortured to death, etc. If games of thrones were good for being predictable, they would have lost their audience after season 1.

I wonder what the books (if the author ever finishes...) will tell. Hopefully, they will make some angry fans happy. Others will not be happy because everyone has a different ending in their minds.
We’re not angry that she went mad, we’re angry because HBO offered them 10 episodes and they stayed with 6.

The entire season felt rushed with little build up to the “madness”.

Not to mention Danny had NEVER, EVER killed innocent citizens. Now all of a sudden she’s burning women and children alive AFTER ALREADY WINNING THE BATTLE.
 

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We’re not angry that she went mad, we’re angry because HBO offered them 10 episodes and they stayed with 6.
Yeah, but we knew before they even started filming. Seasons 7 and 8 are definitely rushed, no doubt about it.

The entire season felt rushed with little build up to the “madness”.
She was already uncomfortable on season 7 with the idea of not destroying Kings Landing. That was before she went to Winterfell. Mad was long time ago, they only rushed that side taking over. A few more chapters in between would have helped to avoid making it look like it happens next day.

Not to mention Danny had NEVER, EVER killed innocent citizens. Now all of a sudden she’s burning women and children alive AFTER ALREADY WINNING THE BATTLE.
Indeed, her hobby was more to burn bad guys instead of good people before. And also threaten her advisers if they were naughty.

What would be the alternative plot line to the slaughter? Given there was +30 minutes left, probably burning Cersei alive (for sure) and then... not sure. We'll see what episode 6 shows so we can speculate what would have been a better plot for episode 5 (better for some - I'm personally quite happy to see the Mad Queen honoring her name :devil:).
 

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What would be the alternative plot line to the slaughter? Given there was +30 minutes left, probably burning Cersei alive (for sure) and then... not sure. We'll see what episode 6 shows so we can speculate what would have been a better plot for episode 5 (better for some - I'm personally quite happy to see the Mad Queen honoring her name :devil:).
I would’ve preferred Rhaegal to have been killed DURING the battle (actually using the damn ballistas), and the townspeople cheering for Danny’s death.

THEN the slaughter would’ve been warranted.

Instead, Rhaegal gets 360 no scoped three times in a row in episode 4.

Episode 5 comes along (golden company + ballistas absolutely useless somehow) and the random slaughter begins.

Smh...
 

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I would’ve preferred Rhaegal to have been killed DURING the battle (actually using the damn ballistas), and the townspeople cheering for Danny’s death.

THEN the slaughter would’ve been warranted.
The townspeople hate Cersei, I'm not sure why they'd be cheering for Danny's death. They would have preferred to be liberated, so Danny's victory without slaughter would have been ideal for them

Instead, Rhaegal gets 360 no scoped three times in a row in episode 4.
Yeah, to me the second arrow that hits Rhaegal in his neck from the right is pointless, providing the other one comes from the front. Ships should be visible if they are deployed in that way.

I don't mind the dragon being killed by surprise though. I was expecting one to die during the battle too, but I prefer surprises, otherwise it gets boring and previsible.

Episode 5 comes along (golden company + ballistas absolutely useless somehow) and the random slaughter begins.
To me, Danny studied the battle for a few days after what happened with Rhaegal. It's clear during the battle that she learned how to take advantage of the slow ballistas if she changed directions fast enough. That's what happened, and even if there's still risk to be hit, makes sense to me. Some people where complaining why she didn't round the ships on episode 4 and destroyed they while the guys moved the ballistas. Now she does something like that and people still complain :)
 

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Good example of the “opening loops” NLP principle.

The show created dozens of loops that just never really went anywhere. A great show is very hard to stop watching because of all the separate stories you want mental resolve on. Have a look at the 1000s of derailed YouTube GOT fan theory videos that now we know will go nowhere.

They stacked the whole show with great stories and characters and never really had any game plan to tie it all off. Reminds me of Lost.

I wonder if that’s the reason they stalled on releasing this season.
This guy on YouTube created a brilliant alternate story for episode 3 Battle of winterfell which closed several open loops. Just goes on to show that with a little imagination and creativity this season could have been far more satisfying. You don't need more episodes or budget or CGI, just more imagination.

View: https://youtu.be/k7m6HP95EDM
 

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The townspeople hate Cersei, I'm not sure why they'd be cheering for Danny's death. They would have preferred to be liberated, so Danny's victory without slaughter would have been ideal for them



Yeah, to me the second arrow that hits Rhaegal in his neck from the right is pointless, providing the other one comes from the front. Ships should be visible if they are deployed in that way.

I don't mind the dragon being killed by surprise though. I was expecting one to die during the battle too, but I prefer surprises, otherwise it gets boring and previsible.



To me, Danny studied the battle for a few days after what happened with Rhaegal. It's clear during the battle that she learned how to take advantage of the slow ballistas if she changed directions fast enough. That's what happened, and even if there's still risk to be hit, makes sense to me. Some people where complaining why she didn't round the ships on episode 4 and destroyed they while the guys moved the ballistas. Now she does something like that and people still complain :)
It’s never stated that the townspeople hate Cersei, only that Cersei hates them. The people probably hate every monarch on the throne up until the battle.

Why else would they be stampeding into the red keep for protection?

Why didn’t we get strategy sesh right before the battle? Hmmm maybe we can outmaneuver the ballistas...

All of these nuances needed to be fleshed out on screen rather than leaving the viewer to speculate.

Nobody gets upset over a predictable ending unless the ending is completely botched. There’s plenty of examples of well written, predictable movies/shows that we all love.

Subverting expectations is wonderful when it actually makes sense.
 

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So I finally watched Ep5 four days late...

And damn, it just gets worse and worse.

I'm actually quite surprised that I don't seem to have a minority opinion on this here, or even with the general population.

The picture above with the segmented horse best describes this season and how they truly F*cked it up.

The writers of the series could probably say that Dany wanted Cersei to see the destruction, but there was still too little character development to buy into that.
It's sad to see that by far one of the best TV series in history ends like that, with many fans of the series disappointed by the sudden change from a well-thought out, well-paced story into yet another rushed, gimmicky TV show.
Yes, it seems like they suddenly departed from the strengths that made GOT, GOT.

In the first X seasons there was very few plot holes and a ton of strategy and political intrigue.

In the last season, it's one plot hole and one inconsistency after another. Suddenly there is no strategy, no political maneuvering, nothing!

The reason why I DO NOT watch Hollywood movies (or superhero movies) is because I hate having my intelligence offended. (Dropping bombs in space, Star Wars for example.)

GOT never offended my intelligence until this season.

  • Now suddenly ONE DRAGON can destroy Kings Landing with no challenge. The army was inconsequential. As Kenric said, why bother with all the army gathering when you could have just shown up with 3 dragons?
  • Now suddenly the Scorpions have ZERO effect and can be destroyed within 19 minutes. That's great, but where was the STRATEGY to make that happen? What was different than the prior episode where it was EASY to kill one dragon? OMG, Dani suddenly learned to quickly veer up, right, down, and left?
  • Strongly developed characters suddenly stopped acting like the character they developed over X seasons. For instance, when Tyrion was arguing with Jaime as he was held captive: He was trying to convince Cersei to surrender and escape to Pentos. Wuh? In what prior seasons (Literally hundred of hours of material) do we ever get the impression that Cersie would just willingly walk away without a fight? And that Tyrion believed she would do such a thing?
  • Dani's sudden shift from reasoned emotional leader to tyrant -- again, we saw hints that should could be emotionally volatile (like who isn't, we're human!) but this? Slaughter of children when the victory is already at hand? WTF?
  • Suddenly the dragons fire no longer acted like a flame thrower, but like a laser that had the power to take down CASTLES and rip boats a part! If you flame-thrower a cement structure (or a boat for that matter) the cement structure would not come down, and the boat would not rip a apart. But now the dragon has laser-fire breath.
The common thread among the famous as well as the infamous is a dominant meaning-and-purpose. And likewise, the common thread amongst the SCRIPTED sheeple is they have no meaning.Instead, hyperreality babysits—this is why we have a society addicted to Game of Thrones and whoever wins some stupid singing contest.

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GOT is the only show/movie in years that I've watched with some interest.

The reason?

Character development, interconnected stories and thick plots where you truly feel like you're watching real people with real motives within the fantasy itself. And you knew that NOT ONE character was SAFE and could die at any moment. Within the fantasy structure, GOT mimicked how a real life in this fantasy could unfold with plotting characters, political strategies, and other unexpected events that throw wrenches into plans.

Most importantly, it NEVER offended my intelligence within the frame of the fantasy environment.

In this season, all of that disappeared and turned into one bad movie.

lol to be fair, we're here heavily criticizing game of thrones after many seasons of built up trust.
Sheeple would convince themselves GOT is still good.
Yes, viewers who love GOT lore for the reasons I mentioned above would surely be disappointed in this season. Just feels like a bad superhero flick with zero in-fantasy plausibility.

It goes to show that there are no such thing as market saturation, if you provide a very superior product.
GOT attracted an audience because it was different, a fantasy concept that challenged your mind. No one was safe, and the audience loved it. In common Hollywood movies, you know the main character(s) is safe and won't die. In GOT, you never knew who was next.

A total let down, to the point, it feels like betrayal to the series, to the characters and the stories they developed, and to the people who sat through hours and hours of it.
 

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Well at least now we know that Star Wars will suck for years to come.

How many people are going to boycott the Star Wars movies now because of the Game of Thrones ending? Like they needed to get more people enraged against Star Wars.
 
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My basketball playoffs analogy for the battle with the white walkers... it’s like waiting all season to see Golden State play Houston in the playoffs and hoping it goes 7 games and then they play one quarter in Game 1 and declare the winner.
 

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Wow, can't believe no opinions on the last episode yet? We all knew it wasn't going to be good, but it was way worse I even expected. The crazy thing is that when Tyrion was talking to Jon Stark about taking over the throne, I thought, if there were 4 more episodes to go, this would actually be exciting. But with 60 minutes left, I really didn't care.

And my big question... WTF is up with the wall? Didn't it all get melted? Did the white walkers rebuild it after they passed it? And why do they even need it and why did Jon Snow go north at the end, wasn't he supposed to stay at the fort? So many WTFs?
 

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Wow, can't believe no opinions on the last episode yet? We all knew it wasn't going to be good, but it was way worse I even expected. The crazy thing is that when Tyrion was talking to Jon Stark about taking over the throne, I thought, if there were 4 more episodes to go, this would actually be exciting. But with 60 minutes left, I really didn't care.

And my big question... WTF is up with the wall? Didn't it all get melted? Did the white walkers rebuild it after they passed it? And why do they even need it and why did Jon Snow go north at the end, wasn't he supposed to stay at the fort? So many WTFs?
Wow Greyworm turned into such an a**hole by the end of the show. They made him so unlikeable.
 

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Wow Greyworm turned into such an a**hole by the end of the show. They made him so unlikeable.
They killed Missandei, so I guess her death took its toll on him.

But yeah, him slaughtering the soldiers even after the surrender was pretty UN-Unsullied-dy...:)

But glad that Tyrion became Hand of the King, although he's the last of his house.
 

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This last episode was beyond awful.

There is simply too much to list here. It was a giant cringe-fest. For example the part where Samwell Tarly tries to push for a democratic vote. Why the F*ck was that necessary?

Plus they just skipped over the different plot holes. So after Jon killed Dany, wouldn't Greyworm object to that ? Ughh I am so pissed.

And you know what : if you want to create a legendary show, it needs a legendary ending. Just like this show and the books were groundbreaking because they were RAW. Good people died unexpectedly, bad people kept winning. The lines between good and evil were blurred.

We rate the Sopranos so high because we sympathize with Tony Soprano. We root for him, while at the same time he is murdering people left and right and is basically a criminal and a thug.

The same thing can be said for Walter White - he descends into criminality and all the while we are there with him. The genius of Breaking Bad lies in the fact that we sympathize with someone getting cancer, not having money to pay the treatment and then does something to get some money. We are like frogs in cold water while the show runners heat up the water and before we know it, the water is cooking.

Still, in the end , some studio exec feels the need to moralize. The good guys should win.

Well, if you wanted to make this show legendary, you should do the exact opposite. Have the dead win. Put The Night King on the Iron Throne. Or have Cersei prevailing over the Starks, hanging them from the rafters. That is going to be remembered, not this drivel.

Life is not black or white and in real life the good guys don't always win. I don't get why people insist that this happens in works of fiction.

Death wins in the end, we all know that, and no, everything is NOT going to be ok.

But please don't remind us of this when we are letting ourselves be entertained.
 
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Well gents, it's been a good thread.
I have no more will to berate the season, like one twitter meme said
"I had no expectation, and i was still let down"

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