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So I finally watched Ep5 four days late...

And damn, it just gets worse and worse.

I'm actually quite surprised that I don't seem to have a minority opinion on this here, or even with the general population.

The picture above with the segmented horse best describes this season and how they truly F*cked it up.

The writers of the series could probably say that Dany wanted Cersei to see the destruction, but there was still too little character development to buy into that.
It's sad to see that by far one of the best TV series in history ends like that, with many fans of the series disappointed by the sudden change from a well-thought out, well-paced story into yet another rushed, gimmicky TV show.
Yes, it seems like they suddenly departed from the strengths that made GOT, GOT.

In the first X seasons there was very few plot holes and a ton of strategy and political intrigue.

In the last season, it's one plot hole and one inconsistency after another. Suddenly there is no strategy, no political maneuvering, nothing!

The reason why I DO NOT watch Hollywood movies (or superhero movies) is because I hate having my intelligence offended. (Dropping bombs in space, Star Wars for example.)

GOT never offended my intelligence until this season.

  • Now suddenly ONE DRAGON can destroy Kings Landing with no challenge. The army was inconsequential. As Kenric said, why bother with all the army gathering when you could have just shown up with 3 dragons?
  • Now suddenly the Scorpions have ZERO effect and can be destroyed within 19 minutes. That's great, but where was the STRATEGY to make that happen? What was different than the prior episode where it was EASY to kill one dragon? OMG, Dani suddenly learned to quickly veer up, right, down, and left?
  • Strongly developed characters suddenly stopped acting like the character they developed over X seasons. For instance, when Tyrion was arguing with Jaime as he was held captive: He was trying to convince Cersei to surrender and escape to Pentos. Wuh? In what prior seasons (Literally hundred of hours of material) do we ever get the impression that Cersie would just willingly walk away without a fight? And that Tyrion believed she would do such a thing?
  • Dani's sudden shift from reasoned emotional leader to tyrant -- again, we saw hints that should could be emotionally volatile (like who isn't, we're human!) but this? Slaughter of children when the victory is already at hand? WTF?
  • Suddenly the dragons fire no longer acted like a flame thrower, but like a laser that had the power to take down CASTLES and rip boats a part! If you flame-thrower a cement structure (or a boat for that matter) the cement structure would not come down, and the boat would not rip a apart. But now the dragon has laser-fire breath.
The common thread among the famous as well as the infamous is a dominant meaning-and-purpose. And likewise, the common thread amongst the SCRIPTED sheeple is they have no meaning.Instead, hyperreality babysits—this is why we have a society addicted to Game of Thrones and whoever wins some stupid singing contest.

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GOT is the only show/movie in years that I've watched with some interest.

The reason?

Character development, interconnected stories and thick plots where you truly feel like you're watching real people with real motives within the fantasy itself. And you knew that NOT ONE character was SAFE and could die at any moment. Within the fantasy structure, GOT mimicked how a real life in this fantasy could unfold with plotting characters, political strategies, and other unexpected events that throw wrenches into plans.

Most importantly, it NEVER offended my intelligence within the frame of the fantasy environment.

In this season, all of that disappeared and turned into one bad movie.

lol to be fair, we're here heavily criticizing game of thrones after many seasons of built up trust.
Sheeple would convince themselves GOT is still good.
Yes, viewers who love GOT lore for the reasons I mentioned above would surely be disappointed in this season. Just feels like a bad superhero flick with zero in-fantasy plausibility.

It goes to show that there are no such thing as market saturation, if you provide a very superior product.
GOT attracted an audience because it was different, a fantasy concept that challenged your mind. No one was safe, and the audience loved it. In common Hollywood movies, you know the main character(s) is safe and won't die. In GOT, you never knew who was next.

A total let down, to the point, it feels like betrayal to the series, to the characters and the stories they developed, and to the people who sat through hours and hours of it.
 

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Well at least now we know that Star Wars will suck for years to come.

How many people are going to boycott the Star Wars movies now because of the Game of Thrones ending? Like they needed to get more people enraged against Star Wars.
 
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My basketball playoffs analogy for the battle with the white walkers... it’s like waiting all season to see Golden State play Houston in the playoffs and hoping it goes 7 games and then they play one quarter in Game 1 and declare the winner.
 

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Wow, can't believe no opinions on the last episode yet? We all knew it wasn't going to be good, but it was way worse I even expected. The crazy thing is that when Tyrion was talking to Jon Stark about taking over the throne, I thought, if there were 4 more episodes to go, this would actually be exciting. But with 60 minutes left, I really didn't care.

And my big question... WTF is up with the wall? Didn't it all get melted? Did the white walkers rebuild it after they passed it? And why do they even need it and why did Jon Snow go north at the end, wasn't he supposed to stay at the fort? So many WTFs?
 

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Wow, can't believe no opinions on the last episode yet? We all knew it wasn't going to be good, but it was way worse I even expected. The crazy thing is that when Tyrion was talking to Jon Stark about taking over the throne, I thought, if there were 4 more episodes to go, this would actually be exciting. But with 60 minutes left, I really didn't care.

And my big question... WTF is up with the wall? Didn't it all get melted? Did the white walkers rebuild it after they passed it? And why do they even need it and why did Jon Snow go north at the end, wasn't he supposed to stay at the fort? So many WTFs?
Wow Greyworm turned into such an a**hole by the end of the show. They made him so unlikeable.
 

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Wow Greyworm turned into such an a**hole by the end of the show. They made him so unlikeable.
They killed Missandei, so I guess her death took its toll on him.

But yeah, him slaughtering the soldiers even after the surrender was pretty UN-Unsullied-dy...:)

But glad that Tyrion became Hand of the King, although he's the last of his house.
 

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This last episode was beyond awful.

There is simply too much to list here. It was a giant cringe-fest. For example the part where Samwell Tarly tries to push for a democratic vote. Why the F*ck was that necessary?

Plus they just skipped over the different plot holes. So after Jon killed Dany, wouldn't Greyworm object to that ? Ughh I am so pissed.

And you know what : if you want to create a legendary show, it needs a legendary ending. Just like this show and the books were groundbreaking because they were RAW. Good people died unexpectedly, bad people kept winning. The lines between good and evil were blurred.

We rate the Sopranos so high because we sympathize with Tony Soprano. We root for him, while at the same time he is murdering people left and right and is basically a criminal and a thug.

The same thing can be said for Walter White - he descends into criminality and all the while we are there with him. The genius of Breaking Bad lies in the fact that we sympathize with someone getting cancer, not having money to pay the treatment and then does something to get some money. We are like frogs in cold water while the show runners heat up the water and before we know it, the water is cooking.

Still, in the end , some studio exec feels the need to moralize. The good guys should win.

Well, if you wanted to make this show legendary, you should do the exact opposite. Have the dead win. Put The Night King on the Iron Throne. Or have Cersei prevailing over the Starks, hanging them from the rafters. That is going to be remembered, not this drivel.

Life is not black or white and in real life the good guys don't always win. I don't get why people insist that this happens in works of fiction.

Death wins in the end, we all know that, and no, everything is NOT going to be ok.

But please don't remind us of this when we are letting ourselves be entertained.
 
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Well gents, it's been a good thread.
I have no more will to berate the season, like one twitter meme said
"I had no expectation, and i was still let down"

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And my big question... WTF is up with the wall? Didn't it all get melted? Did the white walkers rebuild it after they passed it? And why do they even need it and why did Jon Snow go north at the end, wasn't he supposed to stay at the fort? So many WTFs?
Let's revive Jon Snow aka Aegon Targaryen, so he can kill Daenerys during hot kiss and then he can come back to the north. SO EPIC.
 

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I would love for the show to end with Tyrion setting up a republic or something like that, with heads of the houses each responsible for their territories and jointly for the entire kingdom to prevent another mad king/queen or a drunkard. It's unlikely this will happen, but that would be a rewarding, different ending than yet another king on the throne
Ha, I was close enough! Not a republic, but a king elected by the heads of the houses nonetheless.

I don't think that the final episode was that bad. Maybe I didn't expect that much, or maybe I'm a sucker for happy endings (erm, that's not a "maybe", that's "definitely").

What I liked:
  • At least this time Daenerys wasn't pictured as a crazy person willing to burn the innocent, but as a person who truly believes in a twisted way that she determines what's right and what's wrong and that it's her moral obligation to "free" the rest of the world. This set the tone for what had to happen next.
  • Tyrion standing up to her (though I kind of expected he would put a knife in her back).
  • I groaned during the "romantic" scene of Jon and Dany, thinking that the writers couldn't get lower than that, only to be surprised what happened next (even though I expected he would eventually kill her). At the same time, her death was a bit anticlimactic.
  • The dragon burning the Iron Throne, recognizing that it wasn't really Jon who killed Dany but her obsession about the throne. It made the dragon appear to be wiser than Dany, which is IMO fitting considering they're ancient creatures.
  • Tyrion's speech about the stories uniting people, selling the idea of Bran becoming the king. I didn't consider Bran as a potential king, but Tyrion convinced me that it was the best choice.
  • Grey Worm sailing to Naath (Missandei's home).
  • Jon going beyond the wall. I liked that he didn't stay with the Night's Watch but decided to choose freedom and go with the wild folk, the only people who accepted him without any reservations. It was a satisfying bittersweet ending for him. It's also a good starting point for a potential spin-off (though as far as I know the spin-offs will not feature any of the characters from the main series).
What I didn't like:
  • Jon's first scene with imprisoned Tyrion IMO wasn't that convincing to make Jon kill Dany. I think that they should have added one more scene of Daenerys doing something evil that she considers necessary (like, for example, having the dragon burn the remaining prisoners and their families) so that Jon would clearly see her for who she is.
  • Ridiculous time skip between Jon killing Dany and the choosing of the new king. I guess it was super convenient for the writers not to have to show how Grey Worm reacted to Jon killing Dany. It's naive to believe he would merely imprison him. What happened to the Dothraki? Also, who brought all the heads of the houses together? Who rebuilt the city in a few weeks?
  • Seems like the Wall has automagically rebuilt itself. Or maybe it was a different part of the wall that wasn't destroyed?
  • Bran saying that perhaps he can find the dragon only not to mention this again. What was the point?
  • Horrible ending for Jaime and Cersei, and particularly for Jaime. What a waste of a redemption story. His character arc was completely ruined (got it? ruined ha ha ha).
why did Jon Snow go north at the end, wasn't he supposed to stay at the fort?
I like to think he went there to enjoy some peace and true freedom at last and possibly become the King Beyond the Wall.
 

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I’m easily entertained even when things don’t go right.. prolly cuz I don’t dig too deeply when I’m watching a show.

This article did however and it explains the difference between sociological story arcs and psychological ones. The writing in GOT went from the crushing weight of situations where the focus isn’t really about the characters as much as what makes them to ALL character driven... because that’s all Hollywood knows.

I’ll be buying the books, someday, if he ever finishes them. Did y’all see the post about how Tolkien fought in Somme but Martin dodged the Vietnam draft? The point being that Martins book holds no lasting virtue while LOTR most definitely does. I thought it was also interesting to compare the normalization of incest HBO accomplished. Sigh. If you look at American politics alongside top shows, Will & Grace, for example aired in 1998 and the Supreme Court overturned sodomy in 2003ish I think for the last 14 states..it gives you something to ponder..

Anyhoo, here’s the article. The Real Reason Fans Hate the Last Season of Game of Thrones
 

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Again, it's a shame they didn't put an extra four episodes to make this much better. The ending was rushed, as was the series itself from season 7. Although I think the season was good enough (with its ups and downs), they could have done much better given more time and money. I hope people will appreciate it in a few years when the expected rage that a series like this was going to generate anyway fades away.

Also, most things as expected, so this episode left me a bit cold (I definitely enjoyed the previous ones much more). Jon kills Daenerys (too early, but there were too many other things to pack), then he goes north. Arya ships somewhere where she's not going to get bored. Sansa wins her own game of thrones. And so on. All expected. The only unexpected things were Bran becoming king (I didn't really like that, he's suppose to have a different mission), the wall having been built again (the magic required to build it must be sold at the same coffee shop of episode 4 to re-build it that quick), and no major characters dying apart from the one we all imagined. Of course, expected plot is as bad for people as unexpected plot, so there will be many complains again.

Drogon taking Daenerys and flying away was poetic though. For a moment, I thought he was going to melt Jon (or try to, these days you never know whether someone burns or not) to make it more dramatic. But he understood the Iron Throne drove her mother mad and she somehow deserved to die. I think this was the best part of the ending.
 
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I’m easily entertained even when things don’t go right.. prolly cuz I don’t dig too deeply when I’m watching a show.

This article did however and it explains the difference between sociological story arcs and psychological ones. The writing in GOT went from the crushing weight of situations where the focus isn’t really about the characters as much as what makes them to ALL character driven... because that’s all Hollywood knows.

I’ll be buying the books, someday, if he ever finishes them. Did y’all see the post about how Tolkien fought in Somme but Martin dodged the Vietnam draft? The point being that Martins book holds no lasting virtue while LOTR most definitely does. I thought it was also interesting to compare the normalization of incest HBO accomplished. Sigh. If you look at American politics alongside top shows, Will & Grace, for example aired in 1998 and the Supreme Court overturned sodomy in 2003ish I think for the last 14 states..it gives you something to ponder..

Anyhoo, here’s the article. The Real Reason Fans Hate the Last Season of Game of Thrones
interesting article
 

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When reflecting on the early seasons and Season 8, two words describe my feelings: Buyers remorse.

Character arcs ruined and/or abandoned, plot holes, dues ex machina crap (Arya flying knife circus) main characters suddenly have typical Hollywood plot armor (he can't die, he's a main character) laser fire dragon breath, mysterious walls (and cities) being rebuilt, unexpected and unforgivable time ellipses (after Jon kills Dani), what a freaking clusterf*ck.

Everything that made GOT, GOT, was abandoned. We went from cerebral and highly calculating plots to one bad Hollywood cliche/trope after another. All because "Well, we better close up shop and put this series to end." And they didn't even bother to tie up the lose ends.

Remember this in of the early seasons? Wooooooo!! What could it mean?



Exciting, but in the grand scheme, it had no role or tie in whatsoever.

A wasted dramatic ruse and one of dozens of abandoned subplots.

This guy on YouTube created a brilliant alternate story for episode 3 Battle of winterfell which closed several open loops. Just goes on to show that with a little imagination and creativity this season could have been far more satisfying. You don't need more episodes or budget or CGI, just more imagination.
This was indeed brilliant. Its too bad he wasn't the writer of S8.
 
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When reflecting on the early seasons and Season 8, two words describe my feelings: Buyers remorse.

Character arcs ruined and/or abandoned, plot holes, dues ex machina crap (Arya flying knife circus) main characters suddenly have typical Hollywood plot armor (he can't die, he's a main character) laser fire dragon breath, mysterious walls (and cities) being rebuilt, unexpected and unforgivable time ellipses (after Jon kills Dani), what a freaking clusterf*ck.

Everything that made GOT, GOT, was abandoned. We went from cerebral and highly calculating plots to one bad Hollywood cliche/trope after another. All because "Well, we better close up shop and put this series to end." And they didn't even bother to tie up the lose ends.

Remember this in of the early seasons? Wooooooo!! What could it mean?



Exciting, but in the grand scheme, it had no role or tie in whatsoever.

A wasted dramatic ruse and one of dozens of abandoned subplots.



This was indeed brilliant. Its too bad he wasn't the writer of S8.
Im afraid to watch new promising shows now only to be crushed a few years later...
 

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Im afraid to watch new promising shows now only to be crushed a few years later...
I don't watch much of anything unless I hear it strikes up a mainstream frenzy. Then I watch to see if I can understand the mechanics behind the frenzy, behind the love, and the WHY it creates a mainstream hysteria.

I did the same thing for Fifty Shades of Grey: I read it not because I had any interest in it normally, but because I was curious to see what resonated with the mainstream, to understand what makes a huge blockbuster book/TV series? After watching the early seasons, it was clear: Deep character development, zero plot armor (characters can die at will) and everything Hollywood typically stands for, was abandoned.
 

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OMG, has anyone tried using the ATT website to cancel HBO?

They've made it impossible.

Motherf*ckers. I expect nothing less from the company that owns DirecTV and CNN.
 

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i came in this season to watch with the girlfriend ...... so have only got 4 or 5 episodes invested ..... seemed like a waste of opportunity....... can only imagine the disappointment if you watched from the beginning .....

is it as bad as the final seasons and episode of 'Lost'?? i still have ill will for how much time and mental energy i wasted on that series ....... if it wasn't for sports, i'd get rid of all of it and have no TV
 

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Shows the difference between GOT writing then and now

 

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This was about as bad as an ending as anyone could create, in fact I'm not sure you could do much worse if you tried. When I heard that we wouldn't be happy with how it ended, I thought it would be because of certain deaths, surprises, and so forth. In the end the only thing I'm surprised and unhappy with is just how lousy it all became.

In fact, I can't really think of a better word to describe season 8 than just that. Lousy.
 

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OMG, has anyone tried using the ATT website to cancel HBO?

They've made it impossible.

Motherf*ckers. I expect nothing less from the company that owns DirecTV and CNN.
I cancelled the minute it ended. Was pretty easy.

HBO, desperately trying to keep subscribers...hard to do when nobody wants any more...
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LOL at making John pet his wolf at the end.

Everyone on the internet freaked out when he didn't give him more than a nod goodbye on episode 4 or whatever it was.

This episode was an 80 minutes snooze fest of trying to wrap everything up nice and tidy and make everyone happy. As some one else posted, I didn't care of feel emotionally involved in any of it the whole time.

Yes @ZCP I feel the same about what happened to this show as what happened to Lost. Lost was probably the first TV show I was every in to, and they destroyed that by the end. This was the same.
 

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I cancelled the minute it ended. Was pretty easy.
Took me close to 45 minutes. Couldn't do it online, had to "online chat" with a rep who proceeded to upsell me on a bitch of BS.
 

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Took me close to 45 minutes. Couldn't do it online, had to "online chat" with a rep who proceeded to upsell me on a bitch of BS.
I did it through my HBO Now app on my Iphone. It was just a slider button.

It’s not there anymore and I don’t dare touch the restart link to test it again!

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Ha, I was close enough! Not a republic, but a king elected by the heads of the houses nonetheless.
A constitutional monarchy.

It's the system we have here in Malaysia.
Each state, except for a few (who instead have a Chief Minister), has its own king (sultan), and every few years, they elect a Yang di-Pertuan Agong from among themselves.

The Prime Minister technically does the day-to-day running, and advises the King on lots of matters, but the King still has rights to many important issues such as leading the army, diplomatics and even agreeing to the selection of the PM once a general election is done.



Im afraid to watch new promising shows now only to be crushed a few years later...
That's why we have fanfiction sites... :)
Fans will always try to re-write the tales in the way they think it should have been done.

But fanfic in the form of an actual show...that takes a more sizable budget, manpower plus copyright and trademark issues.
 

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I'm honestly happy that it is over. I feel like the sports fan that MJ talks about in Unscripted that is consumed by a sports team that I've poured all my time into...

I've been watching theory videos and reading threads after Season 7 and was hyped to see what would happen in Season 8.

It's just unfortunate really...

It was so rushed that nothing could develop naturally. I'm still confused by the whole Jon Snow part in the entire show. He was really the main character of the show and by the time season 8 hit, he became nothing more than an extra with a few lines here and there. The fact that no one stood up for him and mentioned that he was the heir to the throne was surprising.

In the end, it looks like Bran had every storyline setup exactly as needed to become the next king.

Someone else mentioned on the thread that this was a good example for the future of not getting hooked on shows! I've yet to see one that has ended well... maybe the Wire?

Having said that, the acting was excellent and the visuals throughout the series were amazing.

I've listened to three of the books on audible in the past, maybe once GRRM releases the last two I'll finish them.
 

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I'm honestly happy that it is over. I feel like the sports fan that MJ talks about in Unscripted that is consumed by a sports team that I've poured all my time into...

I've been watching theory videos and reading threads after Season 7 and was hyped to see what would happen in Season 8.

It's just unfortunate really...

It was so rushed that nothing could develop naturally. I'm still confused by the whole Jon Snow part in the entire show. He was really the main character of the show and by the time season 8 hit, he became nothing more than an extra with a few lines here and there. The fact that no one stood up for him and mentioned that he was the heir to the throne was surprising.

In the end, it looks like Bran had every storyline setup exactly as needed to become the next king.

Someone else mentioned on the thread that this was a good example for the future of not getting hooked on shows! I've yet to see one that has ended well... maybe the Wire?

Having said that, the acting was excellent and the visuals throughout the series were amazing.

I've listened to three of the books on audible in the past, maybe once GRRM releases the last two I'll finish them.
breaking bad ended pretty decent too.
 

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