The Worldwide C0VlD-19 Coronavirus Pandemic Discussion Thread...

[Cat Lady]

I had to lay three people off yesterday due to the fact that our revenue is falling about 25-30% until events are safe and allowed again.

But we're lucky, we have diverse revenue sources and a 24/7 signal to reach people in their homes so we should get through this. I'm just going to be working my a$$ for the next 6 months for almost no pay.

I also just spent a BUNDLE on more radio automation software (supporting more small businesses in technical niches!) and also upped our cleaning supplies line item by over $300 a month - and we're not big. But we're disinfecting two radio studios 3-7 times a day right now, and that adds up.

 

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[Cat Lady]

Also wanted to note that the fact that Chinese workers who were out of work for 2+ months managed to get through this in tact is that their national personal savings rate is 33%, while in the US we're closer to 7% personal savings rate.

Feeling extremely grateful that I save about 50-60% of my income and personally can afford a pay cut to weather this storm.

 

[GoodluckChuck]

I second this motion.
Can I get a vote by likes please?

Don't ignore or ban him. It's good to hear the opinions that are out there. He's not attacking anyone, just saying unpopular things. Censoring is a million times worse. If you want an echo chamber go hang out on Facebook.

 

[Sander]

View: https://youtu.be/XkYRI48bXRw

 

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[Andy Black]

Saw the impact of the chaos up close and personal this morning. It's my kids birthday, so I slipped out early up to the local bakery to get her something to keep this day as normal as we can for her.

The baker saw me walk in, and immediately tears came to her eyes. Her business is off 80%, and with Easter services in doubt across the country, the thousands of dounts that were all pre-ordered and likely to not happen.

She might be 30 days away from financial disaster. They opened a few years ago, and got close to paying off their loans but the rent is coming due and the landlord will not offer any relief. The stress was palpable as I spoke with her for a few minutes. She's mainstream middle America. She's the toll this is taking on the people.

Overnight, they went from thriving to dead. No $1k stimulus check from the government is going to fix it. The ONLY thing that fixes it is if and when life can get back to normal.

All of their commercial business is gone. All of their church business is gone. All of their walk in business is gone. The only order she still receives daily... is from the hospital.

Can they do deliveries? Would people still want to buy and consume their donuts from home?

I’m wondering if we can help some of these smaller businesses by asking them to deliver...

 

[Lex DeVille]

Can they do deliveries? Would people still want to buy and consume their donuts from home?

I’m wondering if we can help some of these smaller businesses by asking them to deliver...

Was wondering the same thing. A lot of small businesses could switch to delivery mode. It's a little more work for them, but better than going bankrupt. They should also make it clear the steps they're taking and have taken to ensure the safety and cleanliness of their products. Those are both steps every large retailer has taken at this point.

 

[LuckyPup]

As someone who’s job deals with radiation daily, your correlation makes no sense. 5G is not a form of ionizing radiation.

are there long term effects from non-ionizing radiation. Well, the official answer is no. But I never 100% trust official answers. but the com census at the moment is no.

I don’t see the link to corona in this video

Thanks for handling that for all of us. Saved me the time.

 

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[Deleted74925]

I’m sorry guys. I can’t contain myself anymore. This ignorance by people is f*cking up more lives than this virus ever will. This is f*cked up. People are f*cked up. People need to wake the f*ck up. I don’t f*cking see Purell owners hoarding toilet paper. They are f*cking laughing at everyone. Calm the f*ck down. This is nothing different.

Was talking to the Trader Joe's general manager yesterday. They beat their store's all-time daily sales at $100,000 last week. This is a relatively small store (6 checkout lines). He was out in front of the store all day greeting customers and passing out baskets and shopping carts. They are understaffed. The managers are pulling extra shifts to keep up with the demand.

I said to be careful as working longer hours lowers the immune system. More people working long shifts, getting stressed out, and being around other people just spreads this virus even more.

This manager is thinking about his bonus. People are thinking about missing their favorite flavor of ice cream. This thread is thinking about the global economy and the lives of millions (billions!) of people for the coming decade.

 

[reedracer]

Can they do deliveries? Would people still want to buy and consume their donuts from home?

I’m wondering if we can help some of these smaller businesses by asking them to deliver...

Quickest easiest way to do that is sign up with a service and go full on where the money comes from the service rather than the customer.
Varies by region, but DoorDash is most common around here.
I'd go DoorDash first... Grow Your Business With DoorDash
Then Grubhub, ubereats, postmates....

Here's an opportunity
Find out which businesses offer delivery, curbside, etc and make a chart for your town like below.
Now, go around to the businesses not on this list and help them get on it. Pro bono if you want to sell them other services later or for a fee if the listing helps their business. Might save some people from heartbreak of closing their doors.


My town posted this chart on their Facebook page this week. The Chamber of Commerce did the leg work.

 

[GIlman]

Had a similar interaction with my friends bakery. The look on his families face was disturbing. I felt so bad for them I bought out the whole breakfast bakeries they just cooked. Guess what, he calls me now to tell me I was the only customer today (they open 6 am to 10 am).

This is all because of the unnecessary panic. Literally ruining lives. It’s a freaking VIRUS. The response from people is like we’ve never had a foreign particle infect humans. It’s a f*cking virus. Why is the media invoking unnecessary fear into sheep minded, pardon my words, idiots. This is getting out of hand. It’s a VIRUS. We don’t need C0VlD-19 internet doctors spewing their knowledge. It’s a VIRUS. A VIRUS. If you have tuberculosis, would you go and visit your grandma that has heart disease? Why are people acting as if this is something new. Humans have an IMMUNE SYSTEM for a reason. F*ck. If you’re immunocompromised you would stay home. This is the same for any outbreak. Why are people treating this like it’s judgment day. It’s NOT. Turn off the f*cking TV and get away from the MEDIA. I blame them for this f*cking mess.

I’m sorry guys. I can’t contain myself anymore. This ignorance by people is f*cking up more lives than this virus ever will. This is f*cked up. People are f*cked up. People need to wake the f*ck up. I don’t f*cking see Purell owners hoarding toilet paper. They are f*cking laughing at everyone. Calm the f*ck down. This is nothing different.

I feel really really bad for small businesses, my brother owns a small business,my other brother works for one and has no work, my son has a small business that will probably be affected, I have a small business that will be affected.

but, as @lowtec said this is just the tip of the iceberg. The more people we warn early, the more potential lives we save. we may not even be able to slow this enough to make a significant impact on the loss of life.

realize that in China they have been on strict strict lockdown. They are talking about possibly allowing people out in 2 weeks more if there are no new infections during that time. That’s 3 months of oppressive isolation. Assuming it doesn’t bloom somewhere else In China.

You are hearing more and more things everyday. There are rumors, and I would bet money thus actually happens, but they are talking about the FDA allowing for compassionate use of experimental drugs. Basically people are so sick, they are likely to die so they allow insperimemtal use on humans before safety is proven. That’s a very extreme measure.

 

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[reedracer]

Was talking to the Trader Joe's general manager yesterday. They beat their store's all-time daily sales at $100,000 last week. This is a relatively small store (6 checkout lines). He was out in front of the store all day greeting customers and passing out baskets and shopping carts. They are understaffed. The managers are pulling extra shifts to keep up with the demand.

I said to be careful as working longer hours lowers the immune system. More people working long shifts, getting stressed out, and being around other people just spreads this virus even more.

This manager is thinking about his bonus. People are thinking about missing their favorite flavor of ice cream. This thread is thinking about the global economy and the lives of millions (billions!) of people for the coming decade.

Similar report from my friend who manages an Aldi's
Blown through all daily and weekly records already this month and expects to set the monthly sales record today. They've shortened their open hours from 20 hours a day to 12 to keep up with the cleaning and stocking plus spread reduced personnel around better.

This store is in the urban core and usually just makes enough to not close the location.

 

[loop101]

HCQ keeps popping up on my radar. 100% effective?

View: https://youtu.be/LtXWKAVNSvE?t=132


HCQ coverage ends at 2:23

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qee-7D8bucw

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIymfznD7YA

Trump just said HCQ is approved for COVID19.

 

[MoneyDoc]

I feel really really bad for small businesses, my brother owns a small business,my other brother works for one and has no work, my son has a small business that will probably be infected, I have a small business that will be infected.

but, as @lowtec said this is just the tip of the iceberg. The more people we warn early, the more potential lives we save. we may not be able to slow this enough to make a significant impact on the loss of life.

realize that in China they have been on strict strict lockdown. They are talking about possibly allowing people out in 2 weeks more if there are no new infections during that time. That’s 3 months of oppressive isolation. Assuming it doesn’t bloom somewhere else In China.

You are hearing more and more things everyday. There are rumors, and I would bet money thus actually happens, but they are talking about the FDA allowing for compassionate use of experimental drugs. Basically people are so sick, they are likely to die so they allow insperimemtal use on humans before safety is proven. That’s a very extreme measure.

I totally understand that. And please do not take my post towards you, because it's not. You own a business, you understand the impact entrepreneurs are facing. Employees are way better off in cases like these than small entrepreneurs that don't have $100 million sitting in the bank. Employees have way more benefits than we will ever have. We won't be getting cheques or "free money".

All I'm saying is that most of the population fail to realize this is no different than any other outbreak. It might be more severe, but it's still nothing new. The same precautions, the same common sense apply to C0VlD-19 that did to all the other outbreaks. From listening to people talk around me and on the news, it seems like people are sort of shocked the virus is spreading and that people are dying. This is what is causing unnecessary panic. If people just take the precautions set out by the experts, we'll be through this in no time. There's no need to overdue it.

 

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[Trevor Kuntz]

@GIlman

FOX News had a segment with someone telling the FOX news host that a 40-person peer-reviewed control study in southern France had a "100% cure rate" using the age-old malaria drug, chloroquine. My bullshit meter spiked regarding the "100% cure rate" and the sample size of the study, so I did some initial research to collaborate the information and was only able to find an Axios article mentioning the study.

Are you able to locate the study with your resources or have you heard anything about chloroquine being an effective treatment for C0VlD-19?

This is the info currently on the chloroquine Wikipedia page:

For coronaviruses chloroquine works by increasing endosomal pH and interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor.[42][43] In late January 2020 during the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak, Chinese medical researchers stated that exploratory research into chloroquine and two other medications, remdesivir and lopinavir/ritonavir, seemed to have "fairly good inhibitory effects" on the 2019 novel coronavirus. Requests to start clinical testing were submitted.[44][45][46] Chloroquine phosphate had been also proposed as a treatment for SARS-CoV with in vitro tests successfully inhibiting the virus.[47]

On 19 February 2020, preliminary results found that chloroquine may be effective and safe in treating C0VlD-19 associated pneumonia.[48][49] There is evidence to indicate the efficacy of chloroquine phosphate against SARS-CoV-2 in vitro, on Vero cells.[50] The Guangdong Provincial Department of Science and Technology and the Guangdong Provincial Health and Health Commission issued a report stating that chloroquine phosphate "improves the success rate of treatment and shortens the length of patient’s hospital stay" and recommended it for patients diagnosed with mild, moderate and severe cases of novel coronavirus pneumonia.[51]

Chloroquine have been recommended by Chinese, South Korean and Italian health authorities for the treatment of C0VlD-19 [52][53][54], however they have noted the important contraindications for people with certain heart conditions, diabetes, etc.[55][56] In February 2020, both drugs were shown to effectively inhibit C0VlD-19 in vitro [57], however a further study concluded that hydroxychloroquine was more potent than chloroquine, with a more tolerable safety profile. [58] Preliminary results from a multicentric trial, announced in a press conference suggested that chloroquine is effective and safe in treating C0VlD-19 associated pneumonia, "improving lung imaging findings, promoting a virus-negative conversion, and shortening the disease course".[59]

On 16 March 2020, advisor to the French Government on C0VlD-19, Professor Didier Raoult, announced that a trial involving 24 patients from the southeast of France supported the claim that chloroquine was an effective treatment for C0VlD-19.[60] 600mg of hydroxychloroquine was administered to these patients every day for 10 days. The drug appeared to be responsible for a "rapid and effective speeding up of their healing process, and a sharp decrease in the amount of time they remained contagious".[61] The study also suggested that taking chloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin - which is known to be effective against complications from bacterial lung disease - led to even better outcomes. Professor Raoult said the results showed there was "a spectacular reduction in the number of positive cases" with the combination therapy.[62] At 6 days, among patients given combination therapy, the percentage of cases still carrying SARS-CoV-2 was no more than 5%.[63][64]

On Thursday March 19th it was revealed on radio channel RTL that the treatment has been administered to patients at hospital La Pitié Salpêtrière in Paris and at other undisclosed hospitals, on a "compassionnate" basis. The hospital did not elaborate on the term. Treatments began on Friday 13th. Seven days of treatment are required before effects can be safely monitored and assessed.

 

[GIlman]

I totally understand that. And please do not take my post towards you, because it's not. You own a business, you understand the impact entrepreneurs are facing. Employees are way better off in cases like these than small entrepreneurs that don't have $100 million sitting in the bank. Employees have way more benefits than we will ever have. We won't be getting cheques or "free money".

All I'm saying is that most of the population fail to realize this is no different than any other outbreak. It might be more severe, but it's still nothing new. The same precautions, the same common sense apply to C0VlD-19 that did to all the other outbreaks. From listening to people talk around me and on the news, it seems like people are sort of shocked the virus is spreading and that people are dying. This is what is causing unnecessary panic. If people just take the precautions set out by the experts, we'll be through this in no time. There's no need to overdue it.

no worries, I don’t take your posts that way at all. I actually appreciate discussions where people challenge each other with well thought out arguments. Your arguments are well thought out with good intentions

the point I’m trying to make is that the assumption that this is no different than other “normal” pandemics is not proving true if you watch around the world. That’s the fundamental point I think is so important and it’s hard to accept. I have a hard time accepting it at my core although all the evidence it screaming at me that I must accept it.

What has been the normal through out our lives is that people get sick, can obtain medical care, and that some will die from their disease. But it is the disease itself that kills them, not lack of available medical care. There are those that should survive, but if you run out of medical care available, then the disease takes its natural course and people are own their own and nature takes its course unmitigated.

disease is the biggest killer of humans, it is a bigger threat than war or famine, we have been very fortunate since 1918 that humans haven’t had their butts kicked by anything in the meantime. We’ve been very fortunate.

That’s what is different now. The normal medical care we all expect, and take for granted to be there, is not going to be there for everyone if we end up following the patterns going on in Italy, Spain, and France.

Can anyone tell me why we will not follow the pattern of these countries? What are the fundamental factors that will make our experience different. These are the arguments I want to hear. To date I have not heard anyone who can give me any reasons at all that we are different than the countries burning right now in Europe.

 

[rblitz]

Are you able to locate the study with your resources or have you heard anything about chloroquine being an effective treatment for C0VlD-19?

From what I've read online there isn't that much data available right now. Some trials have started over the last few days.

An Effective Treatment for Coronavirus (C0VlD-19)_

Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine as available weapons to fight C0VlD-19

Sci-Hub | | 10.1016/j.antiviral.2020.104762

French researcher posts successful C0VlD-19 chloroquine drug trial | Hacker News

Chloroquine has shown apparent efficacy in treatment of C0VlD-19 | Hacker News

 

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[GIlman]

@GIlman

FOX News had a segment with someone telling the FOX news host that a 40-person peer-reviewed control study in southern France had a "100% cure rate" using the age-old malaria drug, chloroquine. My bullshit meter spiked regarding the "100% cure rate" and the sample size of the study, so I did some initial research to collaborate the information and was only able to find an Axios article mentioning the study.

Are you able to locate the study with your resources or have you heard anything about chloroquine being an effective treatment for C0VlD-19?

This is the info currently on the chloroquine Wikipedia page:

For coronaviruses chloroquine works by increasing endosomal pH and interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor.[42][43] In late January 2020 during the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak, Chinese medical researchers stated that exploratory research into chloroquine and two other medications, remdesivir and lopinavir/ritonavir, seemed to have "fairly good inhibitory effects" on the 2019 novel coronavirus. Requests to start clinical testing were submitted.[44][45][46] Chloroquine phosphate had been also proposed as a treatment for SARS-CoV with in vitro tests successfully inhibiting the virus.[47]

On 19 February 2020, preliminary results found that chloroquine may be effective and safe in treating C0VlD-19 associated pneumonia.[48][49] There is evidence to indicate the efficacy of chloroquine phosphate against SARS-CoV-2 in vitro, on Vero cells.[50] The Guangdong Provincial Department of Science and Technology and the Guangdong Provincial Health and Health Commission issued a report stating that chloroquine phosphate "improves the success rate of treatment and shortens the length of patient’s hospital stay" and recommended it for patients diagnosed with mild, moderate and severe cases of novel coronavirus pneumonia.[51]

Chloroquine have been recommended by Chinese, South Korean and Italian health authorities for the treatment of C0VlD-19 [52][53][54], however they have noted the important contraindications for people with certain heart conditions, diabetes, etc.[55][56] In February 2020, both drugs were shown to effectively inhibit C0VlD-19 in vitro [57], however a further study concluded that hydroxychloroquine was more potent than chloroquine, with a more tolerable safety profile. [58] Preliminary results from a multicentric trial, announced in a press conference suggested that chloroquine is effective and safe in treating C0VlD-19 associated pneumonia, "improving lung imaging findings, promoting a virus-negative conversion, and shortening the disease course".[59]

On 16 March 2020, advisor to the French Government on C0VlD-19, Professor Didier Raoult, announced that a trial involving 24 patients from the southeast of France supported the claim that chloroquine was an effective treatment for C0VlD-19.[60] 600mg of hydroxychloroquine was administered to these patients every day for 10 days. The drug appeared to be responsible for a "rapid and effective speeding up of their healing process, and a sharp decrease in the amount of time they remained contagious".[61] The study also suggested that taking chloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin - which is known to be effective against complications from bacterial lung disease - led to even better outcomes. Professor Raoult said the results showed there was "a spectacular reduction in the number of positive cases" with the combination therapy.[62] At 6 days, among patients given combination therapy, the percentage of cases still carrying SARS-CoV-2 was no more than 5%.[63][64]

On Thursday March 19th it was revealed on radio channel RTL that the treatment has been administered to patients at hospital La Pitié Salpêtrière in Paris and at other undisclosed hospitals, on a "compassionnate" basis. The hospital did not elaborate on the term. Treatments began on Friday 13th. Seven days of treatment are required before effects can be safely monitored and assessed.

to find summaries of scientific articles, the best source is pubmed, it’s online free to use. Some link to full articles. Some are just summaries, but you can get a good idea what is going on in the scientific literature. Here is a link to a search on covid and chloroquine. Btw when searching medical literature use the term covid not coronavirus.

Chloroquine covid - Search Results - PubMed

Chloroquine covid - Search Results - PubMed

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

and yes, you are correct your bullsh*t meter should flash red when something is said to be 100% effective. But, and here is the big but, just because it may not be 100% doesn’t mean it doesn’t work for a lot of people so don’t write it off as useless or ineffective even though a 100% claim is full of crap

 

[Ludachris]

And let it spread through young people. Don’t contain it.
Within a month most young people will have it. Then they will be immmune and there will be no resurgence.

That's assuming of course that the body will build immunity to it. There have been multiple reports of people in China who have recovered being tested positive for the virus weeks later. Of course it's difficult to know which sources are accurate, but that's a little concerning.

There is a lot about the virus that they don't know yet. Not attempting to contain it would be extremely dangerous - maybe even reckless. Not that the containment efforts aren't going to severely damage the economy and destroy people financially, I get that. But the way I see it is this - you'd have to think the White House wanted to do as little as possible to hurt the economy before the election. If they are putting out containment advisories and directives, they must be seeing some data from sources they trust that makes them believe that not trying to contain it would be far worse than attempting to do so.

 

[becks22]

Grocery stores and lots of places near me are offering 'senior hours' where seniors can shop and not be overwhelmed with other people. Lots of social good is being done in my community. Hope it continues after we're past this.

 

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[Mattie]

2460 up from 2051 yesterday here in the Netherlands.

 

[Trevor Kuntz]

Awesome, thanks. I am guessing there will be much larger studies to determine efficacy but if CQ or HCQ can speed up recovery times or decrease contagiousness, those would obviously be key factors in maintaining healthcare capacity.

Quinine and chloroquine have always been my personal vote for "World MVP" just for their anti-malarial uses, so if chloroquine proves to be effective against COVID19 too, that will be pretty incredible.

to find summaries of scientific articles, the best source is pubmed, it’s online free to use. Some link to full articles. Some are just summaries, but you can get a good idea what is going on in the scientific literature. Here is a link to covid and chloroquine. Btw when searching medical literature use the term covid not coronavirus.

Chloroquine covid - Search Results - PubMed

Chloroquine covid - Search Results - PubMed

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

and yes, you are correct your bullsh*t meter should flash red when something is said to be 100% effective. But, and here is the big but, just because it may not be 100% doesn’t mean it doesn’t work for a lot of people so don’t write it off as useful or effective even though a 100% claim is full of crap

 

[Andy Black]

Meanwhile, here in Ireland, I nipped to the shops to get some fruit, veg, and ice-cream.

There’s something to be said for living on a island with a population of 6 million, where there’s only two TV channels people tune in for the news, and where the government has been continually stressing the seriousness of the situation but telling people the supply chains are uninterrupted and shelves will be replenished.

Below are photos from inside one of two Aldi stores in our town of about 22k people at 3pm this Thursday the 19th of March 2020.

Schools, colleges, and childcare centres closed last Thursday. Pubs and restaurants closed on Monday.

We’re currently at 366 confirmed cases in Ireland, with 15,000 expected by the end of March.

Hospitals are ramping up. 24k care workers and medical staff have responded to a national call for help in the past three days.

30,000 test kits were due into the country today.

The national sports stadium has been turned into a drive through test centre.

The lab doing the actual tests has gone from 30 tests a day two weeks ago to 900 a day and is nearing capacity.

If rumours are to believed the army is setting up emergency hospitals in various barracks.

We’re not in full lockdown yet, but the head of government’s St Patrick Day address emphasised that this was the calm before the storm. It’s worth listening to that address. I think Leo did a great job.

I know we’ve a long way to go but I’m fierce proud of the way this country has been dealing with this emergency so far.





Oh, and our 7 year old gave me his shopping list when I got back. Bless.




@Fox ... I know you’re worried about your family back in Ireland. I hope this helps allay some of your fears.

 

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[Andy Black]

That's assuming of course that the body will build immunity to it. There have been multiple reports of people in China who have recovered being tested positive for the virus weeks later. Of course it's difficult to know which sources are accurate, but that's a little concerning.

There is a lot about the virus that they don't know yet. Not attempting to contain it would be extremely dangerous - maybe even reckless. Not that the containment efforts aren't going to severely damage the economy and destroy people financially, I get that. But the way I see it is this - you'd have to think the White House wanted to do as little as possible to hurt the economy before the election. If they are putting out containment advisories and directives, they must be seeing some data from sources they trust that makes them believe that not trying to contain it would be far worse than attempting to do so.

Hence the UK U-turn. I think Boris was taking a big gamble with people’s lives by straying away from the WHO advice. I hope the UK hasn’t left it too late.

 

[1milclub]

the rent is coming due and the landlord will not offer any relief.

Not sure if this will apply or help, but just in case ...

What to do if you can't make your rent or mortgage payments because of the coronavirus pandemic

If you are struggling financially because of the coronavirus outbreak, experts advise reaching out to your mortgage lender or landlord and asking for leniency.

www.cnbc.com

 

[biggeemac]

For those prepping, i ordered Wylers and Hawaiian punch fruit drink packets. They're delicious and cheap and don't take up any room since you add them to water.

 

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[Cat Lady]

I know I'm seeing the economic effects but hadn't seen the health care effects in my own community yet.

But I asked friends who worked in health care, and they're already seeing effects. These are ICU nurses, people who work through flu seasons every year, a friend that is a doctor who worked through the AIDS crisis. They're already at the point where nurses and doctors are pulling overtime, and there is extreme concern about running out of supplies, temporary hospitals being set up are already getting used. I have two friends who are health care workers that have been diagnosed, both young people with healthy immune systems, and both in the UK.

I am personally feeling the economic effects a lot in my own businesses and my community - but the health shocks are real.

Don't put money over people.

Money will come back. The economy will rebound. We've all built businesses from nothing before. But lives don't come back. Don't believe that the economic effects are greater than the cost of life.

 

[Not Most People]

If this is reliable this could be a gamechanger in terms of getting people tested.

Only question is does this potentially mess up the accuracy of the official numbers of infected/tested etc. ? Because if I'm not mistaken at this point I think all testing results have come directly from hospitals/labs

https://time.com/5805953/home-C0VlD-19-test-everlywell/

 

[Vigilante]

Reposting- author unknown


I'm optimistic today:

First day in Wuhan without a new case, and Starbucks in Wuhan is open for business (not fake news, direct from the CEO of SBUX).

Manufacturing resuming in China, the recovery is happening.

A failed ebola drug by Gilead, and an off patent malaria drug, showing tremendous promise in treatment of Corona Virus.

Stock market starting to turn today (I suspect a big upswing in tomorrow's market due to rebound FOMO, but I've been wrong about the market many times, so don't rely on me for market advice). I also predict volatility will remain high for some time, but it will start to level off. Swings will be in the hundreds not thousands (again, just my prediction, don't rely on my advice).

3M is producing 35 Million N95 construction masks per month in Minnesota that are now usable for medical purposes thanks to a law change. (so be careful with the opportunity here, M95 masks may be the next fidget spinner).

We aren't out of the woods, and I still think there will be a recessionary effect, but as I said in my blog post, there will be new opportunities. This event will change human behavior. It's your job now to get out in front of those changes.

Stay strong.

 

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[Rabby]

There's research already long since published for chloroquine / quinine as an antiviral against coronavirus and influenza. Chloroquine is the manufactured analog of quinine. It can have side effects, especially if dosed incorrectly. I always keep some in the house (as quinine). Tonic water is not a strong enough source for medical use, but you can buy quinine fairly easily in the US (order it off Amazon). People often use it to stop tremors.

I've used it against flu or other respiratory bugs... not recommending that you do the same, nor am I saying you shouldn't if you have a virus. You can talk to a doc about that, and/or read research with statistically significant and randomized sampling.

The research goes back years. You'll see a lot of 2020 papers, but you'll also find 2013, 2008, 2004, and as far back as 1990 or earlier on Scinapse. Older papers you have to use google-fu to get originals, sometimes you can buy from archives. Many of the studies are related, and it makes me a little sad that this fact isn't talked about... it's like we start all over every time there's a new occurrence of the same thing. I have to hope people in the labs are aware of the prior research though.

Chloroquine and coronavirus and other respiratory syndromes (search)

Chloroquine and influenza (search)

Quinine and influenza (search) (actually has some citations from the 20s and 30s, though you'd have to dig up the actual papers).

 

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I wonder what the long-term economic repercussions of this will be. My gut feeling tells it me it it will cause a massive boom after the inevitable recession.

Like WW2 literally sparked the Golden Age of Capitalism (my theory is) because that's when women joined the workforce, and once they started working we started realizing how valuable their perspectives and skillsets were.

Post–World War II economic expansion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

GDP per capita before and after WW2 (1939-1945):





We're still seeing growth to this very day.

I think it's something like "Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger"

I think we're going to see the same thing here. It's going to force people to work from home, go to school from home, shop from home, possibly even receive healthcare from home and all the other things they could have been doing from home for the past ~20 years. Companies are going to realize how much money they save, people are going to realize how much commute time they've been wasting and I think in the long run it will lead to a massive productivity boom.