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Growth and ONLY GROWTH. Humans are the only species on this planet with the ability to come up with stupid ideas like what is happiness? A tree doesn’t think that. It just F*cking grows. A squirell doesn’t think this , it just finds nuts and scavenges. A bear doesn’t think this, it just wants to eat enough and provide for its family during hibernation.

Focus on pin and growth NOT happiness. Those that do the former get both. those that focus on the latter get none
Ah the ol' blissful ignorance. I like your style!
 

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For me it's being on by deathbed, hopefully many years from now, feeling that I lived a fulfilled life with few regrets.

Since I don't know when my time's up, I ask myself every day, what can I do to avoid this regret. That puts me in motion.
 

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@guy93777 I understand much of what you post about here on the forum and I agree that "some people can see the truth and most people can't"

What's important is what you do with the truth.

There's a principle that you can become like what you hate.

So, if you hate the Illuminati, NWO, Globalists, The elites, Trilateral Commission, CFR, Bilderberg, etc...
There's a good chance that you will become like them, which based on some of your comments, you may have already been infected. "our job is to use them"

I believe in the principle of:
Be not deceived...let no man deceive you
...but I also believe
Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Don't let all your deep knowledge make you proud, so that you become like them.
You're talking more about power than truth. Truth can be relative, depending on the teller and their point of view. Remember that history is written by the victor. What's "good" and bad also changes with who is putting their thumb on the scales. The older I get, the more I realize that there are no moralistic absolutes in this world. That goes for the meaning of life as well.
 

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You're talking more about power than truth. Truth can be relative, depending on the teller and their point of view. Remember that history is written by the victor. What's "good" and bad also changes with who is putting their thumb on the scales. The older I get, the more I realize that there are no moralistic absolutes in this world. That goes for the meaning of life as well.
What do you mean by "there are no moralistic absolutes in this world."? Can you give an example?
 

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What do you mean by "there are no moralistic absolutes in this world."? Can you give an example?
Here's an example: Murder is bad and we punish that type of behavior by killing the killer -- unless it happens in war -- unless it happens in self-defense -- unless it happens by accident -- unless, unless, unless... Yes, we call it by different names depending on how the death happens -- but that person is dead by another person's hand, and that fact is not questioned. This is even though we condemn one person killing another as a moral absolute. My spouse sees just about everything in black and white. It's right or wrong. He loves you or hates you. You are lying or telling the truth. Conversely, my world is colored in shades of gray. I can see both sides of just about every question or issue. Maybe it's my legal training. (I learned to argue both sides of a lawsuit.) Maybe it's my difficult childhood where I learned to survive by my whit. Of course, it may be that I'm just that old these days. What are your thoughts?
 

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Here's an example: Murder is bad and we punish that type of behavior by killing the killer -- unless it happens in war -- unless it happens in self-defense -- unless it happens by accident -- unless, unless, unless... Yes, we call it by different names depending on how the death happens -- but that person is dead by another person's hand, and that fact is not questioned. This is even though we condemn one person killing another as a moral absolute. My spouse sees just about everything in black and white. It's right or wrong. He loves you or hates you. You are lying or telling the truth. Conversely, my world is colored in shades of gray. I can see both sides of just about every question or issue. Maybe it's my legal training. (I learned to argue both sides of a lawsuit.) Maybe it's my difficult childhood where I learned to survive by my whit. Of course, it may be that I'm just that old these days. What are your thoughts?
I think the context of these examples is important. Murder, is wrong. If I go kill a dude because I'm bored, or because he looked at me weird, that is wrong.

Is killing someone in self defence wrong? Nope.

If a foreign army chooses to invade your country, and you take up arms against them, is that wrong? No.

This is an example where context is important, but that does not mean that morality is subjective. In the above 3 examples, a very clear case can be made as to why killing is right or wrong, depending on the context.

I think that trying to assign an absolute position on something, without knowing the context, is a logical fallacy.
 

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I think the context of these examples is important. Murder, is wrong. If I go kill a dude because I'm bored, or because he looked at me weird, that is wrong.

Is killing someone in self defence wrong? Nope.

If a foreign army chooses to invade your country, and you take up arms against them, is that wrong? No.

This is an example where context is important, but that does not mean that morality is subjective. In the above 3 examples, a very clear case can be made as to why killing is right or wrong, depending on the context.

I think that trying to assign an absolute position on something, without knowing the context, is a logical fallacy.
It depends on not only the context of the act -- but also your pre-assumed position in the situation. What if it was your brother who was killed? Would you accept that killing was self-defense? Your other example -- the invading army and fending them off -- that's a us against them situation that justifies your position without fleshing it out.
I must draw a lot of lines in my life -- it's called boundaries. BUT, I am well aware that many times there are more than one right answers to most questions. Personally, I live a very conservative lifestyle -- because I've decided what is right and wrong for me in this moment and within my situation. As my life changes, I change my rules to bring them in line with my evolution. (No, my rules never include giving myself permission to murder anyone.) But,I take nothing at face value as a moralistic absolute.
 

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It depends on not only the context of the act -- but also your pre-assumed position in the situation. What if it was your brother who was killed? Would you accept that killing was self-defense? Your other example -- the invading army and fending them off -- that's a us against them situation that justifies your position without fleshing it out.
I must draw a lot of lines in my life -- it's called boundaries. BUT, I am well aware that many times there are more than one right answers to most questions. Personally, I live a very conservative lifestyle -- because I've decided what is right and wrong for me in this moment and within my situation. As my life changes, I change my rules to bring them in line with my evolution. (No, my rules never include giving myself permission to murder anyone.) But,I take nothing at face value as a moralistic absolute.
If my (hypothetical) brother was killed by someone he attacked... yes I would accept that as a just reason for his death. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be upset at his death, or that I would not experience grief at his loss; but it would be horrifically unjust to the victim (who was attacked), to view his death as immoral. Viewing his death as immoral, would then lead me to hate the person that killed him.

Now, that innocent person, who has already been attacked, now has a second injustice of having to fear me as a second potential threat to his life.
 

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To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

At least, that's what I learned from watching Conan.
 

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If a foreign army chooses to invade your country, and you take up arms against them, is that wrong? No.
This one is far from obvious. You may be killing an innocent person — someone who was ordered by their own government to attack you — and a sincere one in their attempt to conquer your land.

In support of the claim that moral is relative, is reporting an undocumented immigrant to the government morally wrong? In some cultures, reporting anyone to the government is morally wrong; in others, the same act is morally right. Is trying to become or being a self-made millionaire morally right? People on this forum say, yes. Some other people say, no.
 

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This one is far from obvious. You may be killing an innocent person — someone who was ordered by their own government to attack you — and a sincere one in their attempt to conquer your land.

In support of the claim that moral is relative, is reporting an undocumented immigrant to the government morally wrong? In some cultures, reporting anyone to the government is morally wrong; in others, the same act is morally right. Is trying to become or being a self-made millionaire morally right? People on this forum say, yes. Some other people say, no.
... so people acting on government orders are innocent?
 

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If my (hypothetical) brother was killed by someone he attacked... yes I would accept that as a just reason for his death. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be upset at his death, or that I would not experience grief at his loss; but it would be horrifically unjust to the victim (who was attacked), to view his death as immoral. Viewing his death as immoral, would then lead me to hate the person that killed him.

Now, that innocent person, who has already been attacked, now has a second injustice of having to fear me as a second potential threat to his life.
It's sure something to ponder...
 

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You're talking more about power than truth. Truth can be relative, depending on the teller and their point of view. Remember that history is written by the victor. What's "good" and bad also changes with who is putting their thumb on the scales. The older I get, the more I realize that there are no moralistic absolutes in this world. That goes for the meaning of life as well.
@WJK my response was really meant for guy93777 and the context in which he used the word "truth" and I believe that he clearly knows what I'm talking about.

He was referring to a specific knowing of information that many others do not know or that they have been misled to believe something that is not "true" (a lie). He then was taking the position that by having this special knowledge it makes him superior and entitled to take advantage of those that do not have this knowledge ("truth"). I was simply trying to caution him that this is a weak moral position and that he was actually becoming like those that he's against.

Hopefully, that makes sense.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "moralistic absolutes", which I think @SamRussell was trying to clarify with you also.

I think trying to define "truth" with words can be like trying to explain sunshine to a blind person.
But, for those that see it...words aren't needed.

Would you agree that the proverbial "golden rule" would be a good basis for a personal moral code?
"Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you."

If so, what would that look like? I think the world, as we know it, would be transformed if it was practiced by the majority.
If you don't agree with that, what would you suggest as a basis for a moral code?
 

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@WJK my response was really meant for guy93777 and the context in which he used the word "truth" and I believe that he clearly knows what I'm talking about.

He was referring to a specific knowing of information that many others do not know or that they have been misled to believe something that is not "true" (a lie). He then was taking the position that by having this special knowledge it makes him superior and entitled to take advantage of those that do not have this knowledge ("truth"). I was simply trying to caution him that this is a weak moral position and that he was actually becoming like those that he's against.

Hopefully, that makes sense.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "moralistic absolutes", which I think @SamRussell was trying to clarify with you also.

I think trying to define "truth" with words can be like trying to explain sunshine to a blind person.
But, for those that see it...words aren't needed.

Would you agree that the proverbial "golden rule" would be a good basis for a personal moral code?
"Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you."

If so, what would that look like? I think the world, as we know it, would be transformed if it was practiced by the majority.
If you don't agree with that, what would you suggest as a basis for a moral code?
I have a very strong personal moral code. I live my belief system which includes the Golden Rule. But, I've learned over the years that what I consider to be the "truth" is not universal. I think you're right. The "truth" is hard to define depending on who you are talking to. I also believed that if you talk to a group of people, they won't individually see it the same way. It's amazing how many different answers you glean if you take a poll.
 

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... so people acting on government orders are innocent?
Had to chime in...

Nazi's are a VERY good example.

Government is not a moral authority it is just an authority.
 

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Had to chime in...

Nazi's are a VERY good example.

Government is not a moral authority it is just an authority.
Man, I was thinking exactly this but was trying to avoid going there :happy:

Sometimes people struggle to distinguish between something that is moral, and something that we are legally permitted to do; and the two are not necessarily the same thing.
 

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Had to chime in...

Nazi's are a VERY good example.

Government is not a moral authority it is just an authority.
You're absolutely right. I struggle with moral issues every day. I own almost all of the affordable housing in my community. I wrinkle my brow constantly when I must make life changing decisions for my tenants. Do I rent to them? Do I evict them? Do I get in the middle of their messy lives? Do I call the authorities? How will one decision affect everyone else? And list goes on. Anytime you have employees, tenants, customers, or people depending on you, the moral issues raise their nasty head. A lot of the time there is no "right" answer -- only choices that have deep consequences. Some of the decisions I must make break my heart. It's all back to understanding and accepting the rule of cause and effect...
 

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Had to chime in...

Nazi's are a VERY good example.

Government is not a moral authority it is just an authority.
This reminds me of a small book that I read that was written in the 1800's.
It's called, "The LAW" (The Classic Blueprint For A Just Society)- by Fredric Bastiat

The premise is...Each of us has a natural right--from God--to defend his person, his liberty, and his property, even against governments, which are performing "legal plunder(theft)."

I highly recommend the short read.
 
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Truth can be relative, depending on the teller and their point of view.
Can truth be relative?

Pontius Pilate's throw away line: "What is Truth?" just before allowing Jesus Christ to be crucified has been quoted ad nauseum by people who don't want their lives restricted by uncomfortable truths.

Unfortunately for them, they seem ignorant of the fact that Jesus had previously clearly stated what truth is. (Details on request.)

In discarding the concept of absolute truth, and replacing it with the notion that truth is determined by consensus, the world has made the word "truth" meaningless. This is despite the truth that logically there must be absolute truths.

Most people find that they have to accept that truth exists in relation to things and events in plain sight, such as what shape is a square? Is it round? Absolute truth: No, it is square. Even well known philosophers won't take up the task of proving that truth to be relative.

Many these days don't want to accept that absolute truth exists in relation to moral issues, and in particular, religion. What a relief that must be for those who don't like the thought of being shackled by moral standards that don't suit their morals, or their amorality.

Walter
 
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Can truth be relative?

Pontius Pilate's throw away line: "What is Truth?" just before allowing Jesus Christ to be crucified has been quoted ad nauseum by people who don't want their lives restricted by uncomfortable truths.

Unfortunately for them, they seem ignorant of the fact that Jesus had previously clearly stated what truth is. (Details on request.)

In discarding the concept of absolute truth, and replacing it with the notion that truth is determined by consensus, the world has made the word "truth" meaningless. This is despite the truth that logically there must be absolute truths.

Most people find that they have to accept that truth exists in relation to things and events in plain site, such as what shape is a square? Is it round? Absolute truth: No, it is square. Even well known philosophers won't take up the task of proving that truth to be relative.

Many these days don't want to accept that absolute truth exists in relation to moral issues, and in particular, religion. What a relief that must be for those who don't like the thought of being shackled by moral standards that don't suit their morals, or their amorality.

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Walter, I'm happy for you that you feel so strongly. I understand where you are coming from and I respect your point of view. I understand your religious leanings from the inside out. My mother shared your beliefs. I just ask a lot more questions...

Does asking the question about the nature of "truth" equal being amoral?
What if the person asking the question leads an exemplary life? Is the thought of asking, in itself, the problem? Or must one commit a physical act in order to be immoral or amoral?

Do you ever change your point of view?
To use your example -- yes, a square is square by its demarcation definition. But, you may be seeing it from an angle and it may be actually a cube or an optical illusion. The bottom line is that it may just look like a square from your point of view.

I must constantly decide what my truth is, moment by moment. I can see many sides of a situation and the consequences, both intended and sometimes unintended. My "truth" doesn't necessarily extend to the people around me. Most of the time, I can see how and why they have arrived at their point of view. And I must respect the fact that their point of view is their "truth". Conversely, I don't expect them to understand and embrace my "truth" as their own. I know you would consider this to be "situational ethics" and I'm sure Mom wouldn't approve. (God rest her soul.) So, Walter, just know that you're in good company.
 

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If I recall correctly, Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem used logic to prove that there will always be something that cannot be proven true or false in a logical system. Truth in Maths is by a definition. A square is <this>, a circle is <this>. Therefore a square is not a circle.

My dad was a military policeman. When I explained how even branches of Maths couldn’t prove or disprove some statements in its own branch, he just said “Yep. We often know that lad is guilty but we just can’t prove it by law.”

I find it interesting that logic can’t prove everything.

/derail
 

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Do you ever change your point of view?
To use your example -- yes, a square is square by its demarcation definition. But, you may be seeing it from an angle and it may be actually a cube or an optical illusion. The bottom line is that it may just look like a square from your point of view.
This is sometimes called "the bent stick" 'problem'.

If something is an optical illusion or appears differently in a certain context, then the nature of the object (or the truth of it) has not changed. It is just being perceived in a certain context.

Our perceptive apparatus shows us the full context of all laws of nature. So we may perceive that object differently under certain conditions, but the object itself has not changed. This does not mean that our perception of nature is faulty, it just means that we have to be careful to fully consider the context.
 
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If Kant's transcendental aesthetic bends under the strain reality, and intuition of space and perception of time are the only true a priori knowledge; then, I personally can be comfortable with different strokes for different folks on a fundamental level. :)
 

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If I recall correctly, Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem used logic to prove that there will always be something that cannot be proven true or false in a logical system. Truth in Maths is by a definition. A square is <this>, a circle is <this>. Therefore a square is not a circle.

My dad was a military policeman. When I explained how even branches of Maths couldn’t prove or disprove some statements in its own branch, he just said “Yep. We often know that lad is guilty but we just can’t prove it by law.”

I find it interesting that logic can’t prove everything.

/derail
Interesting point, Andy. Your dad was right. It's all in the proof. I went to law school (when I was in my 40s) and then I didn't choose to practice law when I finished my degree -- I was already an expert witness and I added litigation support in my real estate career. The actual process of administering the law pushed me out of being an attorney. It was an "Oh yuck!" moment. But, I did learn to argue all sides of a case -- and many times there are more than two. That was my point about "the truth" -- it's personal and many times a moving target. I spend a lot of time exploring and investigating an issue and that bottom-line conclusion evolves over time.
 

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I have a very strong personal moral code. I live my belief system which includes the Golden Rule. But, I've learned over the years that what I consider to be the "truth" is not universal. I think you're right. The "truth" is hard to define depending on who you are talking to. I also believed that if you talk to a group of people, they won't individually see it the same way. It's amazing how many different answers you glean if you take a poll.
Every super villain has a very strong personal moral code too.

I'm not saying you're a villain. To be clear. And I have not seen anything that would suggest you are. The similarity however is stark. And important.

But think about that!

Now why is it this way? Because morality is not in reference to a person. Morality is not there for the person. It is there for the society, for the group of people.

Morality is always relative to the group of people. If you zoom out more, morality is always relative to life.

Notice there is no successful long running society that has morality that goes against life.

You're absolutely right. I struggle with moral issues every day. I own almost all of the affordable housing in my community. I wrinkle my brow constantly when I must make life changing decisions for my tenants. Do I rent to them? Do I evict them? Do I get in the middle of their messy lives? Do I call the authorities? How will one decision affect everyone else? And list goes on. Anytime you have employees, tenants, customers, or people depending on you, the moral issues raise their nasty head. A lot of the time there is no "right" answer -- only choices that have deep consequences. Some of the decisions I must make break my heart. It's all back to understanding and accepting the rule of cause and effect...
When your morality is relative to a specific person, then yes there isn't a right answer. Of course that's not really morality at all, it is essentially whims. Feelings without an overarching structure.

You base your decision based on the law, based on the system. The system that the laws are a part of are what enable the Good that we have. If you begin to bend for an individual, the entire system suffers as a whole.

Imagine a tenant is desperate and cannot pay rent. You let them go rent free for one month. Then three months. Then a second tenant has the same problem. Soon you barely break even in your rentals. If the rules are not followed then eventually the system breaks down. If there is to be leniency it should be written into the rules to allow for compassion, if you will, but not unlimited compassion at the expense of the owner(s) of the system.

If I recall correctly, Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem used logic to prove that there will always be something that cannot be proven true or false in a logical system. Truth in Maths is by a definition. A square is <this>, a circle is <this>. Therefore a square is not a circle.

My dad was a military policeman. When I explained how even branches of Maths couldn’t prove or disprove some statements in its own branch, he just said “Yep. We often know that lad is guilty but we just can’t prove it by law.”

I find it interesting that logic can’t prove everything.

/derail
I'm not sure if you can logically prove absolute morality. It must be understood. Not logically proven.

The mind knows nothing absolutely. Not even that it itself exists.

The mind cannot prove why life is good. It must be understood. Not proven. It is only known through being understood. Not known through logical proof.
 
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Here's a question for the religious that may border on controversial. Please don't take as anti God. I'm pro God. I'm a great admirer of his work and I've been searching for him my entire life.

Is one holy text, given as the revealed word of God to a handful of men of limited understanding, enough?

Given the sheer awesomeness of our physical universe, and the machinations he devised to control a quarter spin of a quark, to the revolution of a galactic arm around a super massive black hole center, and that the combined minds of every one of the creatures created in his likeness, mind and body, can never answer a single question about the secret engine he created, without 10 new questions popping up to replace the first, could an entire volume of books that reach from here to the sun ever suffice?

I guess the sum and substance of my question is: why must it start and end with one holy book? Why can't it start there and stretch to infinity?

*I'm having one of those weird afternoons... sorry for the disruption.*
 

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Here's a question for the religious that may border on controversial. Please don't take as anti God. I'm pro God. I'm a great admirer of his work and I've been searching for him my entire life.

Is one holy text, given as the revealed word of God to a handful of men of limited understanding, enough?

Given the sheer awesomeness of our physical universe, and the machinations he devised to control a quarter spin of a quark, to the revolution of a galactic arm around a super massive black hole center, and that the combined minds of every one of the creatures created in his likeness, mind and body, can never answer a single question about the secret engine he created, without 10 new questions popping up to replace the first, could an entire volume of books that reach from here to the sun ever suffice?

I guess the sum and substance of my question is: why must it start and end with one holy book? Why can't it start there and stretch to infinity?

*I'm having one of those weird afternoons... sorry for the disruption.*
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But one of them is willing to do all of the above AND die for you.

You can have 99 of the women today if you’d like..or just that one. Which would you prefer?

CS Lewis was asked what’s the difference between Christianity and all the other religions of the world. He replied with just one word. Grace.
 

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Continuity & coherence. Feeling connected and contributing to something greater than yourself (things that came before you & that will come after you). Plus being able to link stages of your life together in a story.

"Few know how to grow old. Plato knew - to learn like Solen and to teach like Socrates; to guide the eager young and to find the intellectual love of comrades. For his students loved him as he loved them. He was their friend as well as their philosopher and guide."
 

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