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I am an "incubated" in the physical product space, currently online only. Here are my thoughts on the program so far.

1. He tells you what you already know, but are too stubborn to listen to yourself. On several occasions, @Kak has made an observation and caused my brain to yell "I told you so!" at me. I'm a pretty determined person (my wife calls is stubbornness) so I have an issue with not knowing when to change course. One such occasion was with my current advertising plan. After looking it over, he said "Paid traffic isn't a viable long term strategy." And it's not. And I knew it wasn't but still focused a large portion of my time and money on it. Now we're taking a broader look at how best to get my products to my customers.

2. Helps lay out the path from A to C. I didn't need much help "seeing the bigger picture", so to speak. I know the potential my products have. I know what I want my business to look like in 2 years. But, I didn't know the best path to take to get me there. With so many options to get my products into the hands of customers, it's easy to get too focused on less-effective methods. It's also easy to get distracted and try to do too many things at once. @Kak helped drill down my options to a few high-value opportunities for me to focus on.

3. This is a long term investment in your business. I didn't go in expecting to see immediate returns on my business. And while some people might be able to generate extra revenue from the get-go, for me it might take 3-6 months before I start to see increased revenues from our time together. But when that time comes, I'm certain my revenues will be 10X what I could have accomplished on my own.
 

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I wish you all would be more specific. Like...my current vision was this...kak made me change it to...
 

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Total set-up. You getting a commission? Lol.
How is that a setup? The best responses are from people who’ve bought. That’s always the case.

Having people from the program comment in this thread will help others who might be considering taking it - either way.

It was a helpful nudge by @Vigilante that will add more value to the thread and forum members.
 
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Total set-up. You getting a commission? Lol.
You wouldn't believe me if I told you it wasn't.

Are you even interested in the program or are you just interested in being a prick? I can save you some time if you are in fact interested... I'm not.
 

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I wish you all would be more specific. Like...my current vision was this...kak made me change it to...
Or just ask a question and tag who you would like to add in.

You’re complaining about not getting something you didn’t even first ask for.
 

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If all of this is covered in another thread, please forgive me, maybe I’m missing it?

How long is the program? Is it more of a one-on-one mentorship or a group thing?
Do you discuss marketing/sales tactics, specific action plans, the ins and outs of a specific niche like manufacturing?

Does a business already have to be a certain size to get results? Is this something that would be helpful for service based businesses or something closer to the CENTS model?

What platform are you using to communicate with each other? Skype? Fb group?

If these are stupid questions I’m sorry, it just seems vague to me what the incubator even is.
 

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I wish you all would be more specific. Like...my current vision was this...kak made me change it to...
Perhaps we don't want to publicly drop details about our business models because, you know, there is a history of unscrupulous people stealing from well intentioned people on this forum.

For my part, I'm going to be detailing my progress and process on my own insider thread. Those that have an insider subscription can see my thread, and make some deductions about what project I was working on and subsequently abandoned. I don't need to leave all the details out there for the search engines to index and expose to every copycat in the world.
 
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If all of this is covered in another thread, please forgive me, maybe I’m missing it?

How long is the program? Is it more of a one-on-one mentorship or a group thing?
Do you discuss marketing/sales tactics, specific action plans, the ins and outs of a specific niche like manufacturing?

Does a business already have to be a certain size to get results? Is this something that would be helpful for service based businesses or something closer to the CENTS model?

What platform are you using to communicate with each other? Skype? Fb group?

If these are stupid questions I’m sorry, it just seems vague to me what the incubator even is.
We work one-on-one through Skype, email and phone discussions primarily on scale, leadership and eventually raising money.

Above and beyond that focus, I have been operating like a general business consultant as well for all of the incubated. They will all tell you I have been available to them daily via Skype.

The folks I have already been working with have models that are scalable and I prefer companies that aren’t on the same beaten path as a lot of others. Different is good. It does NOT have to be any certain size or stage.
 

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Could someone, go ahead, and ban this a**hole?
Funny, I have him on my ignore list so I couldn’t see any of his replies... but based on the comment by Kak I already knew it must have been him. I hit the show ignored posts and voila!!
 

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You wouldn't believe me if I told you it wasn't.

Are you even interested in the program or are you just interested in being a prick? I can save you some time if you are in fact interested... I'm not.
He’s just being a prick... he does the same on all coaching threads.
 

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We work one-on-one through Skype, email and phone discussions primarily on scale, leadership and eventually raising money.

Above and beyond that focus, I have been operating like a general business consultant as well for all of the incubated. They will all tell you I have been available to them daily via Skype.

The folks I have already been working with have models that are scalable and I prefer companies that aren’t on the same beaten path as a lot of others. Different is good. It does NOT have to be any certain size or stage.
Thank you so much for the clarification!
 
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Im not being a prick at all. The self promotion for one's own benefit on a free spirited entrepreneurship forum never sits well with me. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

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Im not being a prick at all. The self promotion for one's own benefit on a free spirited entrepreneurship forum never sits well with me. Nothing more, nothing less.
Let’s not derail @Kak ’s marketplace ad that he paid for.

Why don’t you start another thread to discuss this rather than do so in people’s marketplace ads?
 

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I 2nd @Hyrum 's post.

Business can be compared to any sport. It is all about who you practice with and who your coaches are. If you practice with people who aren't better than you, can you expect to get better? If you have a little league coach and you're playing high school baseball, can you expect to make it to college level? This is how I treat business coaching.

I've been working with @Kak in his Kill Bigger Program for two months. This program appealed to me because I wanted to put my business in a position to raise money this year. I'm very pleased with the results thus far and the best results are yet to come. Larger accomplishments take longer to come to fruition and that is what this program is focused on. BIGGER RESULTS.

If you are looking for someone to help you with day-to-day tactics, then this isn't for you. We talk nearly everyday, but not about low-level things. We talk, plan, and focus on how we are going to; get funding, buyout competitors, launch products with millions in potential, and how we are going to lead instead of doing task-level things.

If you are ready to put in the work and are serious in taking things to the next-level I would strongly recommend this program.
 

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I wish you...
I wish you would stop being the forum's little chihuahua ankle-biter who only posts when there's an opportunity for a "gotcha".

The self promotion for one's own benefit
He paid to self-promote, that's the point of the Marketplace.
 

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As this is a paid marketplace ad, I deleted an antagonist who added no value from being able to post in this thread. Carry on.

I have enjoyed reading the enrollees updates! Things like this happen regularly through the forum MJ created. Pretty exciting as I know several of the participants.
 
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Im not being a prick at all. The self promotion for one's own benefit on a free spirited entrepreneurship forum never sits well with me. Nothing more, nothing less.
So you don't like advertising..?

As far as I see, it looks like existing customers are promoting the program, after having positive results. I don't know if you got ripped off by a coach once and now you hold a grudge, but there is some evidence that this isn't a rip-off. For example:

- @lowtek is a pretty smart dude, and he's confessing that @Kak has helped him see the bigger picture

- Kak has a proven reputation for having clarity and scope in his vision. Read his posts and look at what he says. He has a rare ability to think and plan long term, and so there's credible evidence that correlates with what Lowtek is saying.

- Kak strictly limited the number of people to be in the coaching program, presumably not to spread his ability to add value too thin. If it was a money-grab, why do this?


Anyway. It isn't something I need right now as I'm pretty clear with what I'm doing, but if there's another round in six months or so I'll be looking to join.
 

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Kak denied me into the program (if that counts). Said the stuff I showed him wasn't substantive enough and that I should come back when the projects were more mature (he was extremely professional and direct).

I had $10k rep before this and unloaded it all onto him for the "thousandaire fastlane" thread he made. Cool guy - no idea who he is beyond being called Kyle.

The big thing you have to understand is he's trying to get people to start, grow & exit "real" businesses. If your goal is to get involved with crypto, or "build the next Facebook" (both of which have very low probabilities of success), he is not for you.

From what I've read, and from my correspondence with him, it's evident that he's someone who sits at C level, helping negotiate and generally pointing you towards attacking the "big" problems that yield equivocal results. If that requires raising money (which most of the the worthwhile problems do), he'll help you get into a position to make that possible.
 

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Don’t know why anyone is hating on the negative or positive responses.

This is an ad. Like all ads, they are open to positive and negative responses by the market. So if you put a product on Instagram ads for instance, and people that see the ad and start hating on it. Do you say “curse this market, the market is so dumb”? “How dare they hate my product?” Or the smarter thing to do is to take into consideration the negative responses and improve your offer?

When I make ads, do I expect 100% positive responses? Nope. The market decides all.

Find it quite odd, really how people that have so called accomplished a lot, don’t have this realization.
 

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Don’t know why anyone is hating on the negative or positive responses.

This is an ad. Like all ads, they are open to positive and negative responses by the market. So if you put a product on Instagram ads for instance, and people that see the ad and start hating on it. Do you say “curse this market, the market is so dumb”? “How dare they hate my product?” Or the smarter thing to do is to take into consideration the negative responses and improve your offer?

When I make ads, do I expect 100% positive responses? Nope. The market decides all.

Find it quite odd, really how people that have so called accomplished a lot, don’t have this realization.
We’re not arguing against negative feedback on ads themselves, but against negative feedback on having ads in the first place.
 
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Don’t know why anyone is hating on the negative or positive responses.

This is an ad. Like all ads, they are open to positive and negative responses by the market. So if you put a product on Instagram ads for instance, and people that see the ad and start hating on it. Do you say “curse this market, the market is so dumb”? “How dare they hate my product?” Or the smarter thing to do is to take into consideration the negative responses and improve your offer?

When I make ads, do I expect 100% positive responses? Nope. The market decides all.

Find it quite odd, really how people that have so called accomplished a lot, don’t have this realization.
I have stayed relatively silent through the circus because the forum always works this kind of stuff out on its own.

Today, I see perhaps a bigger forum clown hopped on to enlighten us with his "opinion." His "opinion" of something he knows precisely zero about. Thanks @MoreValue we appreciate your discerning guesswork as always.

I'm going to explain why this isn't working out for you guys because there is a lesson to be learned here. You ARE ABSOLUTELY entitled to an opinion, but respect and consideration of said opinion is EARNED. Earned with a track record of wisdom, pertaining evidence and reasoning. You don't have THAT.

To those considering the incubator: Obviously let the ACTUAL EVIDENCE of value from Lowtek, Greg R and Hyrum do the talking here. I am still taking applications because I have not decided on a new enrollee yet. If you're back and forth, just reach out and we can have a private discussion.
 

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I have stayed relatively silent through the circus because the forum always works this kind of stuff out on its own.

Today, I see perhaps a bigger forum clown hopped on to enlighten us with his "opinion." His "opinion" of something he knows precisely zero about. Thanks @MoreValue we appreciate your discerning guesswork as always.

I'm going to explain why this isn't working out for you guys because there is a lesson to be learned here. You ARE ABSOLUTELY entitled to an opinion, but respect and consideration of said opinion is EARNED. Earned with a track record of wisdom, pertaining evidence and reasoning. You don't have THAT.

To those considering the incubator: Obviously let the ACTUAL EVIDENCE of value from Lowtek, Greg R and Hyrum do the talking here. I am still taking applications because I have not decided on a new enrollee yet. If you're back and forth, just reach out and we can have a private discussion.
My response was neutral, don’t know why you are always attacking. Would you like me to refer to you as almighty Kak? What I said was general market insight that seemed to be forgotton, was not specific to your offering. But I’ll stop now...
 
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What @MoreValue failed to notice here is, the overwhelming negative response to the hecklers here is precisely the market validating @Kak ’s offering.

Anyone who’s bothered to stick around here for a while knows Kak is the real deal and those who try to heckle that are quickly being shut down.

Sounds like the market voted to me.
 

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Here's the thing about coaching from the perspective of the person offering the coaching.

From my perspective, the potential client either wants the coaching or doesn't.

I don't want to coach someone that needs more testimonials or more proof or a discount or a guarantee. That type of person is just not going to be a good client. I don't want to spend the next 6 months talking to someone like this.

Why? Because I can already tell that they aren't in the right mindset. They aren't ready to commit or put in the time. I can tell that they will have excuses.

My friend who also provides coaching, took a client for $10k, after their first 2 hour call, he refunded the money back because the dude kept talking and never listened. He didn't want to talk to this guy anymore.
 

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When I did consulting (corporate, not coaching) it was extremely difficult. I thought it would be easy, but to get value for the client (which I did...) it was taxing. There's a million ways I can make money without trying to teach, because as Kenric mentioned above pottery only works if you have the right clay to work with. To completely mix metaphors now, you can't turn a piece of shit into a diamond no matter how hard you try.
 

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When I did consulting (corporate, not coaching) it was extremely difficult. I thought it would be easy, but to get value for the client (which I did...) it was taxing. There's a million ways I can make money without trying to teach, because as Kenric mentioned above pottery only works if you have the right clay to work with. To completely mix metaphors now, you can't turn a piece of shit into a diamond no matter how hard you try.
Get me a whiteboard quick, trying to decipher all the mixed metaphors you used here... :D

@Kak I had no idea you were running a coaching program, it makes good sense though because you definitely have a great perspective on things. Looks like your clients are getting results and are excited enough to talk about them here.

I look forward to seeing more responses and stories come through over time. Nice work.
 
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Ladies and Gentlemen,

We had an incubator spot open today!

Mr. @Greg R has gotten to a place with his business where he has an established game plan for growth, cashflows and advancement... It makes sense for the foreseeable future that he act on these plans. He is going to be kicking some a$$ and taking some names.

I am very encouraged by his thought process now... I found him lately thinking exactly what I was thinking on new developments. That is our goal here! That is what incubator success looks like. I want to give him all the praise I can... He did an absolutely phenomenal job and I am happy to have worked with him for these months and also built a great friendship.

Applications are re-opened for now for this spot... To apply simply send a rundown of your business and what your goals are to killbigger@yahoo.com

If you are unsure whether you are at a stage to apply or not, just shoot me an email, we will have an open dialogue about whether this type of program is for you. I was told by one of the incubated that I freebie more advice than I should in consultation. I think it's just good business.
 
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Ladies and Gentlemen,

We had an incubator spot open today!

Mr. @Greg R has gotten to a place with his business where he has an established game plan for growth, cashflows and advancement... It makes sense for the foreseeable future that he act on these plans. He is going to be kicking some a$$ and taking some names.

I am very encouraged by his thought process now... I found him lately thinking exactly what I was thinking on new developments. That is our goal here! That is what incubator success looks like. I want to give him all the praise I can... He did an absolutely phenomenal job and I am happy to have worked with him for these months and also built a great friendship.

Applications are re-opened for now for this spot... To apply simply send a rundown of your business and what your goals are to killbigger@yahoo.com

If you are unsure whether you are at a stage to apply or not, just shoot me an email, we will have an open dialogue about whether this type of program is for you. I was told by one of the incubated that I freebie more advice than I should in consultation. I think it's just good business.
I'm going to save this spot to leave a proper review here, but I just want to say that since working with @Kak business has nearly trippled size. Now it is time for me to take massive action on the plans that we've laid out.

Thank you @Kak!
 

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