I've been a loser now I MUST find a solution! Any advice?

[Late Bloomer]

For sales you advice to get any sales job?

My suggestion is that you join the copywriting books discussion here and start building a marketing & sales mindset. Several people said they were going to participate throughout this month, but few have! I'd like to see some more reviews and discussions there... how about from you?
EXECUTION - Copywriting Challenge May 2018 (Join me)

 

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[Alexx]

Hi Alexx! Is that actually your first name spelled with two x's?



You could put your review into the book review thread, which would make the "I've read..." badge show up.



I don't know if you have a legal obligation about this, but it seems that ethically, if they covered the bills in good faith for you to get your degree, it would be honorable and decent for you to complete that degree.
OR, to come clean with them about your total disinterest in doing so... and making a payment plan with them, to reimburse what they thought they were paying for, but didn't have a way to realize wasn't on your agenda for yourself!

It's hard to imagine any kind of Fastlane job or business in which you'd say, "Damn, I wish I didn't know so much about technology from that university education! If only I couldn't relate to people I hire and sell to, on the basis that I'm also a college graduate! How I wish I was unemployable because I didn't finish my degree! It sure sucks that I could get a regular job for a while, if I ever wanted to do that!"



You're right that this is super important to sort out. Fortunately, if you can do so within the next few years, you'll probably get to enjoy another half century or more after that with an uncluttered brain! Hooray for an early start!

Thanks for the honest reply sir.

Problem is I'm hating my studies. I'm more interested into business (maybe I should have been studying that kind of degree but now many years passed).

Worst case scenario, I can tell my family I dropout then getting a job and saving money to start my own business, I can start studying part-time a degree of my choice where I have a real interested into it.

 

[Late Bloomer]

Worst case scenario, I can tell my family I dropout then getting a job and saving money to start my own business, I can start studying part-time a degree of my choice where I have a real interested into it.

Some businesses can be started with little or no up front money. If you don't have clinical depression or a medical issue affecting your health and energy level, shouldn't it be possible to drop everything that wastes time, be efficient at studies, start a business on the side, and then either get the degree or tell your parents you quit school AND here's at least some of their money back, because you're on your way now in a productive and focused life?

 

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[Alexx]

Some businesses can be started with little or no up front money. If you don't have clinical depression or a medical issue affecting your health and energy level, shouldn't it be possible to drop everything that wastes time, be efficient at studies, start a business on the side, and then either get the degree or tell your parents you quit school AND here's at least some of their money back, because you're on your way now in a productive and focused life?

Thanks sir for the valuable response. What kind of businesses can be started with little money?

I'm fine now. I'm just hating what I study, I try to study and cannot focus.

I'm my "free time" I read a LOT more about business, marketing and sales book instead of studying for college...

I think my interestests don't lie in engineering side but rather more in the business game.

I promise myself to provide value to the world, make money and help my parents in everything so they won't struggle financially anymore. I love them but I have to make my own decisions now.

 

[Late Bloomer]

What kind of businesses can be started with little money?

Many types of services require only that you show up, offer to be of service, and close a sale. Sometimes you have to put some money in up front... for a web development company, maybe some hosting fees; for a window washing company, a bucket and sponges etc. There are several threads here to discuss things like that.

Another inexpensive start is to have the right to sell a product, but you don't have to buy it until you already have a customer who pays you. With low cost ads, you find out if you can identify a market of people willing to send money for the product. Look for affiliate marketing and e-commerce discussions.

I promise myself to provide value to the world, make money and help my parents in everything so they won't struggle financially anymore. I love them but I have to make my own decisions now.

That's a really cool and positive attitude! And I'm sure that the more they get to see you becoming a success, they happier they'll feel about the decisions you're making.

 

[Alexx]

Many types of services require only that you show up, offer to be of service, and close a sale. Sometimes you have to put some money in up front... for a web development company, maybe some hosting fees; for a window washing company, a bucket and sponges etc. There are several threads here to discuss things like that.

Another inexpensive start is to have the right to sell a product, but you don't have to buy it until you already have a customer who pays you. With low cost ads, you find out if you can identify a market of people willing to send money for the product. Look for affiliate marketing and e-commerce discussions.



That's a really cool and positive attitude! And I'm sure that the more they get to see you becoming a success, they happier they'll feel about the decisions you're making.

Thank you. I was watching something more about affiiliate marketing, it seems a good way.

However, I'm only scared now to dropout or change my major, I'd leave everything with no job and no money, having wasted 3 years where I could have been working and getting experience in the meantime.

 

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[fvcorp]

Thank you. I was watching something more about affiiliate marketing, it seems a good way.

However, I'm only scared now to dropout or change my major, I'd leave everything with no job and no money, having wasted 3 years where I could have been working and getting experience in the meantime.

After reading your thread, it is my opinion that you have to finish your degree. You simply do not seem to be resourceful enough to go any other direction at this time.

You're not putting effort into your degree - despite the fact that I assume you chose it.

You don't have a business idea - and you couldn't imagine a business idea that would be cheap to start.

The fact is: business is hard. You have to be a marketer, a copywriter, a business analyst, a cold caller, a salesman, a closer, a software develop, an SEO specialist and an account manager every single week, all on your own.

Are you ready for that? I'd be dishonest if I said that I thought you were ready.

Here are the two options that I would pursue if I were you:

1) Stay the course. Learn how to enjoy it because business will have periods of being disinteresting too. And finish the degree.

2) Do the same as above, but rather than finish the degree, position yourself to be hired as a developer before you graduate. Developers are in high demand, if you put resumes out now and be resourceful, you will likely get something. This will be much better than minimum wage and from this first job, you can switch to sales if you choose.

As for business, wait until you have an idea, build the idea and have revenue before you work for yourself.

Finally, I'm not trying to discourage you from entrepreneurship. It simply is the most difficult occupation in the world and to succeed, you will need to believe in yourself (ie. Look back at your past and not see failure or learn incredible lessons from your failure.)

 

[Alexx]

After reading your thread, it is my opinion that you have to finish your degree. You simply do not seem to be resourceful enough to go any other direction at this time.

You're not putting effort into your degree - despite the fact that I assume you chose it.

You don't have a business idea - and you couldn't imagine a business idea that would be cheap to start.

The fact is: business is hard. You have to be a marketer, a copywriter, a business analyst, a cold caller, a salesman, a closer, a software develop, an SEO specialist and an account manager every single week, all on your own.

Are you ready for that? I'd be dishonest if I said that I thought you were ready.

Here are the two options that I would pursue if I were you:

1) Stay the course. Learn how to enjoy it because business will have periods of being disinteresting too. And finish the degree.

2) Do the same as above, but rather than finish the degree, position yourself to be hired as a developer before you graduate. Developers are in high demand, if you put resumes out now and be resourceful, you will likely get something. This will be much better than minimum wage and from this first job, you can switch to sales if you choose.

As for business, wait until you have an idea, build the idea and have revenue before you work for yourself.

Finally, I'm not trying to discourage you from entrepreneurship. It simply is the most difficult occupation in the world and to succeed, you will need to believe in yourself (ie. Look back at your past and not see failure or learn incredible lessons from your failure.)

Ok thanks for the advice. I just found Fiverr and it's quite cheap to start.

I know it's hard but I want to change my life.

I keep trying to study programming, algorithms and so on and my focus is like 20 minutes per session.
I hate it , I see other people enjoy this and I think if I keep doing this, I'll be a bad developer and no one likes bad quality people.

I want to keep working on my talents and what I know is good for me, coding and algorithms it's not a natural thing for me, this is what I've found.

I don't think it would be a good idea to keep going on something that I feel I'm really bad at it.

I enjoy more business stuff, already started studying copywriting books and I see I can offer that skill on upwork or fiverr, I know it's hard but I'd start to get money in some way while learning copywriting.

 

[Late Bloomer]

I was watching something more about affiiliate marketing, it seems a good way.

It may or may not be a way to get some money for a while. Unless you do something very special with it, it leaves you totally out of control. If any of a million people can sign up and start selling the same stuff from a little ad just like you can... why would anyone buy from you?

There are just two of the valuable things MJ talks about in his books: if it's trivial for anyone to easily duplicate what you do, and you ultimately don't have control over it, you'll likely not succeed in business.

After reading your thread, it is my opinion that you have to finish your degree. You simply do not seem to be resourceful enough to go any other direction at this time.

^^He's exactly right and you should listen to him!

You are currently drifting randomly, with no focus and no energy in any particular direction.
If this is from a medical issue, you should get it handled while you're a student.
If there's no medical issue, then you've got to get a grip.

The way you're currently drifting, it looks like you're on track to wash out of school from flunking some important course.

I worked at McDonald's until I quit. I saw people get fired from McDonald's. The way you're going, it looks like you'd likely be next. You're not showing that you're focused enough now for anyone to be confident you could put the fries and the Big Mac together on the right tray. How can this attitude lead to success building any kind of business?

There's a great thread on here by a guy who joined the Army to learn self-discipline. He just updated that he finished boot camp.

I highly recommend you read his thread, maybe send him a note, and consider if something like that would be good for you. Any boot camp would start by teaching you to walk forward in a brisk, energetic way and to make your bed efficiently, and then move on to some pretty damn advanced specific skills if you were up to it.

The military taught my Dad how to be a pilot, my brother how to weld, my college roommate how to do medical evacuations, some of my best corporate colleagues how to work with computers. They break down old habits, and instill discipline and doctrine. During this process they provide housing, clothes, transportation, income, and guidance. In your case that seems like it could be a great leap forward over what you're likely to come up with any time soon.

If you want to see a preview of the result of drifting through life with no particular direction, plan, or goal, and nobody to talk over ideas to help filter out the ones that are really, really stupid and destructive... watch the film Midnight Cowboy and prepare to be really damn depressed. If this can't shake complacency, I don't know what would.

Anything except further wallowing.

^^He's also right and you should listen to him too.

 

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[Alexx]

It may or may not be a way to get some money for a while. Unless you do something very special with it, it leaves you totally out of control. If any of a million people can sign up and start selling the same stuff from a little ad just like you can... why would anyone by from you?

There are just two of the valuable things MJ talks about in his books: if it's trivial for anyone to easily duplicate what you do, and you ultimately don't have control over it, you'll likely not succeed in business.



^^He's exactly right and you should listen to him!

You are currently drifting randomly, with no focus and no energy in any particular direction.
If this is from a medical issue, you should get it handled while you're a student.
If there's no medical issue, then you've got to get a grip.

The way you're currently drifting, it looks like you're on track to wash out of school from flunking some important course.

I worked at McDonald's until I quit. I saw people get fired from McDonald's. The way you're going, it looks like you'd likely be next. You're not showing that you're focused enough now for anyone to be confident you could put the fries and the Big Mac together on the right tray. How can this attitude lead to success building any kind of business?

There's a great thread on here by a guy who joined the Army to learn self-discipline. He just updated that he finished boot camp.

I highly recommend you read his thread, maybe send him a note, and consider if something like that would be good for you. Any boot camp would start by teaching you to walk forward in a brisk, energetic way and to make your bed efficiently, and then move on to some pretty damn advanced specific skills if you were up to it.

The military taught my Dad how to be a pilot, my brother how to weld, my college roommate how to do medical evacuations, some of my best corporate colleagues how to work with computers. They break down old habits, and instill discipline and doctrine. During this process they provide housing, clothes, transportation, income, and guidance. In your case that seems like it could be a great leap forward over what you're likely to come up with any time soon.

If you want to see a preview of the result of drifting through life with no particular direction, plan, or goal, and nobody to talk over ideas to help filter out the ones that are really, really stupid and destructive... watch the film Midnight Cowboy and prepare to be really damn depressed. If this can't shake complacency, I don't know what would.



^^He's also right and you should listen to him too.

Ok so basically, from what you've told me here guys, I should finish a degree (even if I hate it) or just get a job while studying and saving up money to start a business.
Doing something is better I know , than not doing nothing.

 

[Late Bloomer]

from what you've told me here guys...

I'm looking forward to the post from you that says, instead:
from what I decided my life is about now, that unstoppably drives me forward every day...

 

[NanoDrake]

clean your room

rescue your father from the darkness

stand up straight with your shoulders back

jokes aside, read about habits and understand which successful ones you can implement

 

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[Alexx]

clean your room

rescue your father from the darkness

stand up straight with your shoulders back

jokes aside, read about habits and understand which successful ones you can implement

Thank you, I'm gonna hustle every day.

 

[Alexx]

I'm looking forward to the post from you that says, instead:
from what I decided my life is about now, that unstoppably drives me forward every day...

I want to be unstoppable.

And I'm sure that I need to dropout from a logical decision I've made the last night, here's why:

1 ) I'm still at my 40% of completing my degree, it requires me more time and money and 60% of my time to finish

2) My parents paied for me, I don't want this and I want to help them, create a business so I can help them

3) Want have freedom and be location independent and not working in a soul crushing office job

4) Follow what I feel is good for me and create value for the marketplace acquiring real skills in the real world

What do you think about it ? I see most of decisions are made with feelings but I want to use logic and mind to make a good decision and stick with it.

I'm just asking here because I'm sure there are many entrepreneurs that have more life experience than me.
Thanks for your great support.

 

[Drive2Riches]

I read TMF four times. First, one read-through. Second time I had post it notes. Third read, I went back through the post-its and removed them, and then the fourth read was "what have I missed that I didn't see before?"

@Alexx , I haven't seen anywhere in this thread anything from you about brain-changing topics you discovered in the book. Whatever you have read in TMF that you loved, latch on to it and figure out how to apply it in your life.

One of the very first Gold threads in the forum was "Should I go to college?" and also, "Programming is bad! No! Programming is good!" If you've been in this forum and found the best of the best threads, you'll find these two. You'll find pros and cons for both these questions, but no matter what, the THINKING is the takeaway.

I DID finish college. But it wasn't right after high school. It was many years later. And what I learned there was about life, not about the subjects I studied. Whether it's engineering or business or programming, just FINISHING is a tremendous personal achievement. And learning how to THINK was my biggest reward.

Solve problems. <-- this is what I learned.

And in college or out of it, problem-solving is what gets me out of bed at 6am and also makes it hard to get to sleep at night.

I see myself in some of your posts, except for the wallowing part.

A relative told me once that we are naturally drawn to our own equilibrium. If you feel unsettled in a space, then you'll constantly search for where you're comfortable. If you hope to care for your parents some day, then maybe finding that ladder that builds that experience which builds a business that solves problems that helps millions.......... will help you help your parents.

 

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[Alexx]

I read TMF four times. First, one read-through. Second time I had post it notes. Third read, I went back through the post-its and removed them, and then the fourth read was "what have I missed that I didn't see before?"

@Alexx , I haven't seen anywhere in this thread anything from you about brain-changing topics you discovered in the book. Whatever you have read in TMF that you loved, latch on to it and figure out how to apply it in your life.

One of the very first Gold threads in the forum was "Should I go to college?" and also, "Programming is bad! No! Programming is good!" If you've been in this forum and found the best of the best threads, you'll find these two. You'll find pros and cons for both these questions, but no matter what, the THINKING is the takeaway.

I DID finish college. But it wasn't right after high school. It was many years later. And what I learned there was about life, not about the subjects I studied. Whether it's engineering or business or programming, just FINISHING is a tremendous personal achievement. And learning how to THINK was my biggest reward.

Solve problems. <-- this is what I learned.

And in college or out of it, problem-solving is what gets me out of bed at 6am and also makes it hard to get to sleep at night.

I see myself in some of your posts, except for the wallowing part.

A relative told me once that we are naturally drawn to our own equilibrium. If you feel unsettled in a space, then you'll constantly search for where you're comfortable. If you hope to care for your parents some day, then maybe finding that ladder that builds that experience which builds a business that solves problems that helps millions.......... will help you help your parents.

Thanks.

I know problem solving is very important as stated in the TMF book.

Last night I didn't sleep but I was working to setup profile on Fiver and start selling, I didn't waste my time, I took action. Next day unfortunately I woke up too late and couldn't study.

So, I can study even if I lose focus after 30 min, it will be harder but at least I may learn something more about discipline.

I'm not here to complain because I want to become a winner, I'm just saying that I've realized now that I'm studying the wrong degree and I want to create my own path and not have other people that tell me to follow the "scripted life".

 

[Drive2Riches]

I'm not here to complain because I want to become a winner, I'm just saying that I've realized now that I'm studying the wrong degree and I want to create my own path and not have other people that tell me to follow the "scripted life".

There is a famous intro thread (I can't find it) which was featured in TMF or Unscripted as an excellent example of excuse-making and action-faking.

I hope your own future posts will reveal neither of these things.

 

[Late Bloomer]

I can study even if I lose focus after 30 min

I'm concerned that you keep talking about this. Have you asked your Dr. to see if there's a physical cause of the really poor concentration?

 

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[ALC]

The fact is: business is hard. You have to be a marketer, a copywriter, a business analyst, a cold caller, a salesman, a closer, a software develop, an SEO specialist and an account manager every single week, all on your own.

All above is the truth, and it's the same for any business.
I dropped out of College to go build a Coffee Shop with my parents than to begin to start a new Coffee Shop business (new style of coffee shop, unique theme) to go to Sales in R.Estate, i hate it but i earn money, this money is been putted aside for actual business developpment and for future business if the actual fail.

I don't have a clue what my life has to be, where i need to go (career), so i move forward in the thing that produce money and i keep my eyes open for opportunities, i learn/read a lot about business, financial education (money managment and Forex trading), i also keep myself up-to-date for the last technology if ever i can do something here.

The point is : You won't know where you need to go, but go somewhere if you feel there's something at the end.
If you feel that your degree is not worth pursuing, than stop and go get a sales job and work like nobody to get your game up, but it will be difficult, long hours and effort, it can definitely be done.

Keep your eyes open for opportunities like us, learn from the greatest on this Forum, learn how they've done it, don't read useless book, keep the list short but useful > TMF / Unscripted / The One Thing / Zero To One / The Go Giver / THE E MYTH / ... and work until you got something.

and also : Don't compare yourself to others young entrepreners, they might be early in the game, lucky b*stard, but if you try things over and over, it will be your time, be patient.

Find you why

 

[Kid]

[QUOTE="Alexx, post: 692570, member: 56482"
Any advice?[/QUOTE]

Make a course on "How to stop being loser"

 

[Alexx]

[QUOTE="Alexx, post: 692570, member: 56482"
Any advice?

Make a course on "How to stop being loser"[/QUOTE]

hahah great business idea for an info product ! How I've changed my mindset during my journey! lol

 

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[Alexx]

All above is the truth, and it's the same for any business.
I dropped out of College to go build a Coffee Shop with my parents than to begin to start a new Coffee Shop business (new style of coffee shop, unique theme) to go to Sales in R.Estate, i hate it but i earn money, this money is been putted aside for actual business developpment and for future business if the actual fail.

I don't have a clue what my life as to be, where i need to go (career), so i move forward in the thing that produce money and i keep my eyes open for opportunities, i learn/read a lot about business, financial education (money managment and Forex trading), i also keep myself up-to-date for the last technology if ever i can do something here.

The point is : You won't know where you need to go, but go somewhere if you feel there's something at the end.
If you feel that your degree is not worth pursuing, than stop and go get a sales job and work like nobody to get your game up, but it will be difficult, long hours and effort, it can definitely be done.

Keep your eyes open for opportunities like us, learn from the greatest on this Forum, learn how they've done it, don't read useless book, keep the list short but useful > TMF / Unscripted / The One Thing / Zero To One / The Go Giver / THE E MYTH / ... and work until you got something.

and also : Don't compare yourself to others young entrepreners, they might be early in the game, lucky b*stard, but if you try things over and over, it will be your time, be patient.

Find you why

Thank you man! This is a great reply!

Even If I finish my degree, it will make me some money but since I hate it I will be miserable and not in the top of that field (IT).

I want to be the best so that's why I'm confused on the field , if I choose sales I must become the best at it and dropout everything else.

Like another entrepreneur told me sometime ago: do or don't do, there is no try.

Now I'm realizing it's true!!

 

[ALC]

Thank you man! This is a great reply!

Even If I finish my degree, it will make me some money but since I hate it I will be miserable and not in the top of that field (IT).

I want to be the best so that's why I'm confused on the field , if I choose sales I must become the best at it and dropout everything else.

Like another entrepreneur told me sometime ago: do or don't do, there is no try.

Now I'm realizing it's true!!

As you now mention that you're in IT, i would not dropout before seeing any field possible.
What if you don't like it NOW but at the end you'll do something you love and bring money and could potentially put you in a place where there's plenty of entrepreneurs..

Think about this before anything, is there an activity that i would do in IT that will be available at the end of my degree, is it worth it ? (your choice)

Be sure that there's money to be made in Sales, but there's also a big crowd there ready to eat you alive, it's business too.
I'm confused too, i chose R.E because that the first opportunity that was in front of me, if someday i have something better i would be dumb to refuse the opportunity.

Chose if possible a field where you got some interest, at least a bit.

This quote is 100% true, it's hard to go all in sometimes, but might be worth it.

Don't rush your decision, take time to think about it, go for a running, a walk to clear your head, get a piece of paper and a pen and write down what you want from life, from your career and your interest.

Who you are, what type of personnality > which job/business could suits you ? > Multi employees business or 1-3/5 employees..

 

[Late Bloomer]

I want to be the best so that's why I'm confused on the field

This attitude might be holding you back. Be good enough, at enough good stuff.

McDonald's is clearly NOT the best hamburger in town. But it's often the best clean, bright place to grab a diet coke for a buck and hang out a while to check your email. US Postal Service is NOT the best overnight delivery service. Domino's is NOT the most delicious authentic Chicago style pizza. Walmart is NOT the most delightful shopping expedition. Honda Accord is NOT the fastest acceleration, best corner handling car on the market. But they all sell in the millions, because they're good enough to get the job done.

Pick something you can do well enough, get some success at it, and then do more of whatever you discover people like to buy from you.

This could be some trial and error, you know. The McDonald brothers sold hot dogs and barbeque at first until they realized people only really bought about five things from them all the time. Honda only made motorcycles for almost two decades before their first car. They did something, good enough, until they figured out what was their own personal best.

Unlike many professors, the bank gives you no bonus if you had to struggle to get things done, or if you did something that was just good enough... to make a sale.

 

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[Late Bloomer]

, it will make me some money but since I hate it I will be miserable and not in the top of that field (IT).

IT is a huge field with many different types of jobs in many different types of companies.

There are IT companies where everyone goes home promptly at 5 on Friday. There are companies where everyone stays late Friday for the beer bash.

There are companies where everyone wears suits and they sell to bankers. There are IT companies where everyone wears shorts and their software is for surfers. Also, banks have internal IT departments. I worked at one where everyone wore polo shirts and khakis. There are sportswear companies with internal IT departments, where half of the coders might be marathon runners.

There are IT people who write code all day and never talk to anyone. There are IT people who talk to people all day and never write any code.

There are IT teams who have the day together at picnic tables in the bullpen. There are IT teams on different continents who meet in person once a year.

There are IT shops that are all Mac and everyone's memos have the coolest fonts. There are IT shops that are all Mainframe and everyone's emails have the same standard font.

There are IT people paid 100% on commission. There are IT people who have a great 401k plan. There are IT people who work half the year, for a different company each year, for a full time income. There are IT people who transferred to a different division within Microsoft for a 30 year run at the same company.

How can you say you'll have nothing but hatred for ALL of it?

I think you should finish your degree and get job placement help from the school. Take anything that gets you in motion, learning about business life, sales, and more about the world of IT.

 

[Alexx]

As you now mention that you're in IT, i would not dropout before seeing any field possible.
What if you don't like it NOW but at the end you'll do something you love and bring money and could potentially put you in a place where there's plenty of entrepreneurs..

Think about this before anything, is there an activity that i would do in IT that will be available at the end of my degree, is it worth it ? (your choice)

Be sure that there's money to be made in Sales, but there's also a big crowd there ready to eat you alive, it's business too.
I'm confused too, i chose R.E because that the first opportunity that was in front of me, if someday i have something better i would be dumb to refuse the opportunity.

Chose if possible a field where you got some interest, at least a bit.

This quote is 100% true, it's hard to go all in sometimes, but might be worth it.

Don't rush your decision, take time to think about it, go for a running, a walk to clear your head, get a piece of paper and a pen and write down what you want from life, from your career and your interest.

Who you are, what type of personnality > which job/business could suits you ? > Multi employees business or 1-3/5 employees..

Thanks. I don't fear sales, I'm ready to work hard. Good thing about thinking more about a decision and not rushing, I must have a clear mind.

 

[Alexx]

IT is a huge field with many different types of jobs in many different types of companies.

There are IT companies where everyone goes home promptly at 5 on Friday. There are companies where everyone stays late Friday for the beer bash.

There are companies where everyone wears suits and they sell to bankers. There are IT companies where everyone wears shorts and their software is for surfers. Also, banks have internal IT departments. I worked at one where everyone wore polo shirts and khakis. There are sportswear companies with internal IT departments, where half of the coders might be marathon runners.

There are IT people who write code all day and never talk to anyone. There are IT people who talk to people all day and never write any code.

There are IT teams who have the day together at picnic tables in the bullpen. There are IT teams on different continents who meet in person once a year.

There are IT shops that are all Mac and everyone's memos have the coolest fonts. There are IT shops that are all Mainframe and everyone's emails have the same standard font.

There are IT people paid 100% on commission. There are IT people who have a great 401k plan. There are IT people who work half the year, for a different company each year, for a full time income. There are IT people who transferred to a different division within Microsoft for a 30 year run at the same company.

How can you say you'll have nothing but hatred for ALL of it?

I think you should finish your degree and get job placement help from the school. Take anything that gets you in motion, learning about business life, sales, and more about the world of IT.

Thank you mr Late Bloomer. You are a kind man.
I think my only problem is to focus.

I've tried last day to study an algorithms for 1 hour and finally I understood that! But after that hour, I took some relax time, then went back studying and I couldn't understand a code about a difficult algorithm and I had like a panick attack lol

I went out of the classroom and I couldn't study for all day anymore.

Coding for me is a big struggle and also focus but I see I have a "natural" gift that I can talk to everyone and I like being empathetic with people, that's why I've been thinking about sales.

 

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[Alexx]

IT is a huge field with many different types of jobs in many different types of companies.

There are IT companies where everyone goes home promptly at 5 on Friday. There are companies where everyone stays late Friday for the beer bash.

There are companies where everyone wears suits and they sell to bankers. There are IT companies where everyone wears shorts and their software is for surfers. Also, banks have internal IT departments. I worked at one where everyone wore polo shirts and khakis. There are sportswear companies with internal IT departments, where half of the coders might be marathon runners.

There are IT people who write code all day and never talk to anyone. There are IT people who talk to people all day and never write any code.

There are IT teams who have the day together at picnic tables in the bullpen. There are IT teams on different continents who meet in person once a year.

There are IT shops that are all Mac and everyone's memos have the coolest fonts. There are IT shops that are all Mainframe and everyone's emails have the same standard font.

There are IT people paid 100% on commission. There are IT people who have a great 401k plan. There are IT people who work half the year, for a different company each year, for a full time income. There are IT people who transferred to a different division within Microsoft for a 30 year run at the same company.

How can you say you'll have nothing but hatred for ALL of it?

I think you should finish your degree and get job placement help from the school. Take anything that gets you in motion, learning about business life, sales, and more about the world of IT.

Thank you mr Late Bloomer. You are a kind man.
I think my only problem is to focus.

I've tried last day to study an algorithms for 1 hour and finally I understood that! But after that hour, I took some relax time, then went back studying and I couldn't understand a code about a difficult algorithm and I had like a panick attack lol

I went out of the classroom and I couldn't study for all day anymore.

Coding for me is a big struggle and also focus but I see I have a "natural" gift that I can talk to everyone and I like being empathetic with people, that's why I've been thinking about sales.

This attitude might be holding you back. Be good enough, at enough good stuff.

McDonald's is clearly NOT the best hamburger in town. But it's often the best clean, bright place to grab a diet coke for a buck and hang out a while to check your email. US Postal Service is NOT the best overnight delivery service. Domino's is NOT the most delicious authentic Chicago style pizza. Walmart is NOT the most delightful shopping expedition. Honda Accord is NOT the fastest acceleration, best corner handling car on the market. But they all sell in the millions, because they're good enough to get the job done.

Pick something you can do well enough, get some success at it, and then do more of whatever you discover people like to buy from you.

This could be some trial and error, you know. The McDonald brothers sold hot dogs and barbeque at first until they realized people only really bought about five things from them all the time. Honda only made motorcycles for almost two decades before their first car. They did something, good enough, until they figured out what was their own personal best.

Unlike many professors, the bank gives you no bonus if you had to struggle to get things done, or if you did something that was just good enough... to make a sale.

That's also what I'm trying to do other than college mr Bloomer.

I spend my late nights studying on youtube, reading books about business, marketing, sales etc and then go to class in the morning.

I know I need good practice in order to become great.

Do you know the 10'000 hours rule ? Do you think is it true?

 

[Late Bloomer]

Coding for me is a big struggle and also focus but I see I have a "natural" gift that I can talk to everyone and I like being empathetic with people, that's why I've been thinking about sales.

Is the difficulty with focus, also present when you learn about dealing with people? When you read books, watch videos, have conversations about marketing, presentations, closing, customer service, etc. do you zone out after 20 minutes? Or is that only with code?

Some people simply don't have the capacity to become great coders. Everyone's awful at something. My lousy skills include that I never learned to properly throw a football so it has a spiral. You could have a super bowl champion coach me daily and I still wouldn't get it, I just can't get my elbow and wrist to do exactly the right things.

In code, I think the break comes with pointers. If you were given a whiteboard and markers, could you diagram inserting to a linked list? Or how a retrieval tree uses a hash of the key to designate a starting bucket, then some nodes have contents dereferenced as pointers to the addresses of subsequent child nodes? Or does your mind just close down at that no matter what you do with that kind of material?

If your brain just plain crashes on this stuff, try a class in SQL databases. And if that makes your brain crash too, then maybe you should have a career where you empathetically talk with people, and you work with coders who loved to learn more about algorithms because it comes easy for them.

Malcolm Gladwell referred to 10,000 hours of practice to become a world-class expert. For example, the Beatles already had that much time on stage before they began their recording career. I think you don't need to worry about it. Find some things you're good at without a struggle, and learn how to monetize them from good enough work to get paid.