Is black magic the real key to wealth? (And other lies we sell ourselves)

[Fox]

Ya when you reach 10,000 forum points you are given access to our special full moon cult sessions where we burn success books and study the ashes for clues to wealth.

The rest of the forum is just a cover so people don’t find out what we are up to.

#landfill

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

@lunga ngcobo -- "Black magic" has absolutely nothing to do with success. "Black magic" is simply your local community's way of describing something they don't understand: why some people can become successful and others don't. It's your version on a very niche basis of "slowlane paradigm".

Let's run through some examples from a coupe different parts of the world to give you a better understanding of what's happening.

How can he afford that Lamborghini at a young age?

• America: He's probably a basketball player, or some kind of athlete.
• Eastern Europe: It has to be mafia. No one becomes that rich on their own.
• Southeast Asia: His parents must've had a successful business that he inherited.
• East Coast of Africa: Black Magic
• Other Places: Other bullshit

People don't understand success, so they come up with their own explanations. They have limited beliefs, limited knowledge, limited experiences... they simply can't think on the same level as someone whose made it so they come up with their own explanation.

And what propagates this thinking further is that the successful people will agree with your flawed assessment since it allows them to maintain their wealth. You ask some Indian guy if got rich because of black magic? F*ck yeah he did! And don't mess with him or you'll be cursed next.

The truth is... end of the day there's only one real way to get rich, and that's by providing value.

You create something that other people value - whether that be a product or a service, and you find a way to deliver it to them in a value chain that allows you to make a profit.

People need roads? Ok. You create a concrete paving company, build them the roads, and keep some money for yourself.

People want pizza? Ok. You find a way to make pizza they'll like and sell it to them.

People want cheap clothes? Ok. You find a way to import cheap clothes and make a small margin.

It's all about finding a way to deliver value. It has absolutely nothing to do with black magic.

 

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[100k]

Those Indians are lying to you.

They practice group economics, they teaching their kids how to operate/run businesses from a young age, they invest in each other's businesses and are very strict about who they let into their family (i.e they make sure their kids get married to people from proper backgrounds so that their grand kids are sorted).

But again, the main thing is, they have a code of conduct, they practice group economics and they teach their kids to run businesses.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT-pVqPMwEU


Check out some of Dr. Claude Anderson's work if you want to learn more. But nah fam, it's not about black magic, its not about white jebus, its not about the belief in allah or what ever. Its about having the right knowledge, having a community of people to help you and providing a service/product that other people want to buy.

Read M.J's books if you haven't already done so.

MJ DeMarco

 

[Dan_Fastlane]

No Black magic, but rituals are important that drive your Discipline! You know, maybe they do some "Vodoo or Blackmagic" and they get a kind of Placebo effect from it because they believe in it! Believing is a Big Point in Entrepreneurship! i hope yo got the Message!

 

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[AgainstAllOdds]

Ya when you reach 10,000 forum points you are given access to our special full moon cult sessions where we burn success books and study the ashes for clues to wealth.

Damn. I'm over 10,000 forum point but haven't gotten my first cult session invite yet. Maybe the invitation got lost?

Just let me know. I'm happy to bring kool-aid or whatever we need.

#landfill

And naw man. It's an incredibly stupid thread, but not landfill. There's cultures out there that attribute everything to the supernatural and keep themselves from success. This thread is worthless for 99% of us, but valuable for those that grow up in places like the East Coast of South Africa where bullshit beliefs dictate life.

 

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[lunga ngcobo]

Those Indians are lying to you.

They practice group economics, they teaching their kids how to operate/run businesses from a young age, they invest in each other's businesses and are very strict about who they let into their family (i.e they make sure their kids get married to people from proper backgrounds so that their grand kids are sorted).

But again, the main thing is, they have a code of conduct, they practice group economics and they teach their kids to run businesses.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT-pVqPMwEU


Check out some of Dr. Claude Anderson's work if you want to learn more. But nah fam, it's not about black magic, its not about white jebus, its not about the belief in allah or what ever. Its about having the right knowledge, having a community of people to help you and providing a service/product that other people want to buy.

Read M.J's books if you haven't already done so.

MJ DeMarco

thank you for the feed back, i have read both MJ DeMarco's books and they say nothing about luck and magic. but they do talk about numbers. growing up in a spiritual community, we are raised to believe in tales that don't exist.

mybe i should relocate coz i think getting the F*ck of this country may be my mind changer! THANK YOU!!

 

[MJ DeMarco]

@lunga ngcobo -- "Black magic" has absolutely nothing to do with success. "Black magic" is simply your local community's way of describing something they don't understand: why some people can become successful and others don't. It's your version on a very niche basis of "slowlane paradigm".

Let's run through some examples from a coupe different parts of the world to give you a better understanding of what's happening.

How can he afford that Lamborghini at a young age?

• America: He's probably a basketball player, or some kind of athlete.
• Eastern Europe: It has to be mafia. No one becomes that rich on their own.
• Southeast Asia: His parents must've had a successful business that he inherited.
• East Coast of Africa: Black Magic
• Other Places: Other bullshit

People don't understand success, so they come up with their own explanations. They have limited beliefs, limited knowledge, limited experiences... they simply can't think on the same level as someone whose made it so they come up with their own explanation.

And what propagates this thinking further is that the successful people will agree with your flawed assessment since it allows them to maintain their wealth. You ask some Indian guy if got rich because of black magic? F*ck yeah he did! And don't mess with him or you'll be cursed next.

The truth is... end of the day there's only one real way to get rich, and that's by providing value.

You create something that other people value - whether that be a product or a service, and you find a way to deliver it to them in a value chain that allows you to make a profit.

People need roads? Ok. You create a concrete paving company, build them the roads, and keep some money for yourself.

People want pizza? Ok. You find a way to make pizza they'll like and sell it to them.

People want cheap clothes? Ok. You find a way to import cheap clothes and make a small margin.

It's all about finding a way to deliver value. It has absolutely nothing to do with black magic.

And this is why the thread is not landfilled. Rep in a repless era!

 

[Raoul Duke]

Once again, the psychotic carnival creatures in the house
Hokus pokus, joker's ride, come take a spin on a carnie ride
Southwest slithering snakes of darkness come
Hokus pokus, joker's ride, come take a spin on a carnie ride​

 

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[lunga ngcobo]

Damn. I'm over 10,000 forum point but haven't gotten my first cult session invite yet. Maybe the invitation got lost?

Just let me know. I'm happy to bring kool-aid or whatever we need.



And naw man. It's an incredibly stupid thread, but not landfill. There's cultures out there that attribute everything to the supernatural and keep themselves from success. This thread is worthless for 99% of us, but valuable for those that grow up in places like the East Coast of South Africa where bullshit beliefs dictate life.

LOL. not only in the east coast of south africa, all over the world actually. i bet you 99% of poor people believe in luck and miracles or think success has a secret trick to it.

Ask around buddy, you will be amazed of how most people are stuck in poverty because they think wealth is something they have to summon with some sort of wealth god...

 

[Fox]

Excuse my approach but i could'nt help but ask. Is black magic or lucky charms the real key wealth?

I live in South Africa and we have diverse cultures from muslims, indians, africans and whites. One thing I've noticed among the rich here is that most have some sort of belief and use black magic to convince other people to do business with them or to push their product.

Notice how some people will start a business from scratch and get tons of investors in a short period of time. Notice also how a flawed product will sell like hot cakes. I read a wealth building book some time ago and the author wrote that the main key to business is to persuade people or convince them.

I live in the east coast of South Africa where there is a high population of indians. and guess what... most of them are successful and admit to use some sort of Voodoo to grow their business.

So is this the missing part that every successful writer will skip and not tell readers for some reason. I know that making millions takes a lot of work but is there some other hidden factor that puts odds in your favor...? something like BLACK MAGIC?

Actually, some of your post is decent. If I can chop it around it looks like this...

Magic stuff:

- Is black magic or lucky charms the real key wealth?
- One thing I've noticed among the rich here is that most have some sort of belief and use black magic to convince other people to do business with them or to push their product.
- guess what... most of them are successful and admit to use some sort of Voodoo to grow their business.
- something like BLACK MAGIC?

Other observations you have made:

- Notice how some people will start a business from scratch and get tons of investors in a short period of time.
- Notice also how a flawed product will sell like hot cakes.
- I read a wealth building book some time ago and the author wrote that the main key to business is to persuade people or convince them.
- I know that making millions takes a lot of work

You got half the puzzle.
You just got to stop letting your brain being lazy and linking these observations to magic.

You already know that some products sell better than others even when inferior (marketing, sales and persuasion) and that some people seem to attract money and investors faster than others (networking, sales and persuasion).

Also, you have noted hard work pays off.

I would look outside your country to places where magic is not even a factor and something people don't even think about - the USA, Europe, Canada, Australia etc. How are these people succeeding?

Also, keep in mind that people like to tell stories and simplify their success to protect their business.

The 48 laws of power would be a good read too for you.
And of course, the Fastlane Millionaire if you haven't already.

Success is half maths, half mentality.

 

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[AgainstAllOdds]

Try starting that pavement company in a communist country with a militaristic government and see how long you're allowed to add value for before you get shut down or worse. I wish it weren't the case but sadly it is.

Eh. @lunga ngcobo is in South Africa. There's definitely opportunities, maybe even more than in most parts of America depending what you get into.

As for "communist countries" or other countries where the government has more control, it's the same, just a different game. Instead of paying taxes, you pay bribes. Instead of building your business around bank loans, you build your business around political party support.

It's a different game, but the fundamentals are the same. You need to create a product or service that provides value first. Violence and "communism" is just the added cost of doing business after you create that value.

Want to start a factory in Bangladesh? Ok. You can bribe all the local officials to get it going, give them kickbacks, have your own mafia, but that doesn't guarantee success. Your factory still needs to offer a product that buyers will value at the price that you're offering it for. If you're selling product at a price that's too high, then you go out of business. If you're selling a product that no one has a need for, you go out of business. You still have to create value. If you don't create value, you can't play the game because there's nothing to be "taxed" (for the government or mafia to take a part of).

Also, this thought that America is the easiest place to operate is naive.

China is communist, but in the past few decades it's been the easiest place in the world to become ultra-rich. You think Jack Ma started with political party support or his own army? F*ck no. But he navigated, created a very valuable service, and then appeased the appropriate parties as he navigated.

Today, the fastest growing places are as follows:



Nigeria, Egypt, Bangladesh, Vietnam... are any of those places you'd consider less violent and communist than the U.S.? Definitely not, but they're the fastest growing and where the most present moment opportunity exists.

 

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[AgainstAllOdds]

Hey @Yzn - I'll share my thoughts but think they should have zero impact on what you do with your life. We're all different. As long as you don't create harm to anyone in the process, do whatever you want and define your ethics however you want.

Follow-up Personal question: If you migrated to Bangladesh for some out of your hand reason, and you had to do what you stated even though you have an American (no corruption, no bribes etc. mindset), will you accomodate yourself to those standards and start that factory? Or would you do everything possible to migrate to another "just" country?

To answer this, I want to start by addressing your perspective on "American mindset". You defined it as a "no corruption and no bribes" mindset. That couldn't be further from the truth.

We might not be as corrupt as some countries, but we're definitely still extremely corrupt. The corruption is packaged differently so it's not always called "corruption", even though it's the same thing.

Some examples:

• You're a real estate developer and donate to the local alderman's political campaign because he's in charge of zoning laws and who gets their building permits approved in that given area. You get approved on your proposed project and rezoned so that you can make money.
• You get a traffic ticket in a small town. You hire a "good lawyer" that was recommended to you. He gets your ticket thrown out. Later you find out the judge in the small town is a part time prosecutor in the town over where the other lawyer serves as the sitting judge.
• You work for Boeing and want a billion dollar contract with the U.S. government. You offer an extremely high paying job to the decision maker's daughter since there's no law against offering jobs to family members. Their daughter takes the job. Big surprise you get the contract.
• You're a white collar thief on Wall Street being investigated by the SEC. Your company has a history of hiring ex-SEC employees at insane salaries. Your investigation for some unknown reason dies. You hire the head guy that was investigating you and pay him millions of dollars.
• You want to be an Ambassador since your mom always wanted you to be. You donate half a million dollars into the Secretary of State's personal charity and get appointed ambassador.
• ... I can go on all day.

The point is that America's still extremely corrupt. It's not the definition of corruption that we know where you go and hand someone a briefcase of money to get things done. It's a song and dance that's socially accepted.



Just look at "lobbying".

Yeah, there's sometimes socially positive reasons for "lobbying", but overall it's just a form of bribery so that private companies can maintain their competitive edge.

What's the difference between hiring a lobbyist and handing some Bangladeshi official a $50,000 Patek Philippe so that he can look the other way?

To me there's not much.

Follow-up Personal question: If you migrated to Bangladesh for some out of your hand reason, and you had to do what you stated even though you have an American (no corruption, no bribes etc. mindset), will you accomodate yourself to those standards and start that factory? Or would you do everything possible to migrate to another "just" country?

Now to answer your question:

I wouldn't migrate to another country because of corruption reasons. I would calculate where I would be happiest and have the highest likelihood of accomplishing my goals.

If you're happy in the country you're in, and think that it's the best place for you, then stay there. If the local business climate dictates that you offer bribes, then question your own ethics and decide what's right for you.

Personally, if I loved Bangladesh and thought that it was the greatest country in the world, then I'd stay there. And if the local politicians required a bribe for me operate my business there, then I'd pay it.

I wouldn't do anything that crosses my ethical guidelines. I would never hurt another person directly or indirectly, or agree to be a piece of shit in any way. But if someone needed a bribe because "that's how things are done around here", and it didn't cause any harm, then I'd do it with no hesitation. The same way that a tourist in Thailand gives the local cops money for "driving without an international license", I'd pay the local officials to operate my business.

Note: I've met with a couple factory owners that have admitted to paying bribes. I don't think of them any less, just accept it as part of their local business customs, another tax per se.

 

[Olimac21]

Yes it is black magic which consists in the following ingredients: hard work, persistance, creativity, intelligence and a never give up attitude.

 

[lunga ngcobo]

Excuse my approach but i could'nt help but ask. Is black magic or lucky charms the real key wealth?

I live in South Africa and we have diverse cultures from muslims, indians, africans and whites. One thing I've noticed among the rich here is that most have some sort of belief and use black magic to convince other people to do business with them or to push their product.

Notice how some people will start a business from scratch and get tons of investors in a short period of time. Notice also how a flawed product will sell like hot cakes. I read a wealth building book some time ago and the author wrote that the main key to business is to persuade people or convince them.

I live in the east coast of South Africa where there is a high population of indians. and guess what... most of them are successful and admit to use some sort of Voodoo to grow their business.

So is this the missing part that every successful writer will skip and not tell readers for some reason. I know that making millions takes a lot of work but is there some other hidden factor that puts odds in your favor...? something like BLACK MAGIC?

 

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[AgainstAllOdds]

thanks for the

thanks for advice againtsALLODDS. It really made a difference in how i think.

If you can afford it, take a trip outside of South Africa to somewhere that's complete opposite. London, Singapore, New York. A place like that.

You spending time there for a week or two will put into perspective your local environment and challenge your beliefs. You'll quickly realize which beliefs you should hold, and which beliefs would be laughable outside of your bubble.

If you can't afford it, start watching more interviews by entrepreneurs form different places.

 

[Successful Steve]

You guys may laugh at black magic but I deal with high net worth individuals on a regular basis and quite a few of them have consulted Shamans, done ayahuasca experiences, or have been involved in the occult in some form.

I was surprised to learn some of the things these highly successful people told me because I thought only the poor or uneducated got involved in that stuff but it’s surprising the amount of wealthy people out there involved in that world.

Joe Rogan and Tim Ferris I believe have discussed psychedelics and experiences kinda like what the poster is referring to also.

 

[100k]

Dude, if you honetly believe this shit is real.

Make a case study and prove that it is.

Go to the witch doctor & slaughter a goat/chicken whatever and let us know the results you get.

 

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[Fox]

thanks you for the advice and a dose of reality. i posted this thread to get rid of my childhood beliefs that i was raised with.

I now have a full picture of what it really takes to make it outside Africa. hard work, hard work and more hard work. Even if Voodoo does work, people who use it have a flawed mentality, the same mentality i desperately am trying to get rid of.

You're welcome. We all have them. I used to think you HAD to be born rich to ever make it.

Get some books on growth mindset and self-image. They will help in a big way.

 

[Jeff Noel]

You guys may laugh at black magic but I deal with high net worth individuals on a regular basis and quite a few of them have consulted Shamans, done ayahuasca experiences, or have been involved in the occult in some form.

I was surprised to learn some of the things these highly successful people told me because I thought only the poor or uneducated got involved in that stuff but it’s surprising the amount of wealthy people out there involved in that world.

Joe Rogan and Tim Ferris I believe have discussed psychedelics and experiences kinda like what the poster is referring to also.

Drugs are not magic. Magic is a fictious thing. Ayahuasca is a drug which makes you thing or rethink things differently. Psychedelics are acting on your brain and nerves, they're not magic.

If these things were legalized here, perhaps more studies could come out and science could detail everything that's going on in your body when you take these substances.

There's no magic. We're not in Harry Potter.

 

[Successful Steve]

Hey @Yzn - I'll share my thoughts but think they should have zero impact on what you do with your life. We're all different. As long as you don't create harm to anyone in the process, do whatever you want and define your ethics however you want.



To answer this, I want to start by addressing your perspective on "American mindset". You defined it as a "no corruption and no bribes" mindset. That couldn't be further from the truth.

We might not be as corrupt as some countries, but we're definitely still extremely corrupt. The corruption is packaged differently so it's not always called "corruption", even though it's the same thing.

Some examples:

• You're a real estate developer and donate to the local alderman's political campaign because he's in charge of zoning laws and who gets their building permits approved in that given area. You get approved on your proposed project and rezoned so that you can make money.
• You get a traffic ticket in a small town. You hire a "good lawyer" that was recommended to you. He gets your ticket thrown out. Later you find out the judge in the small town is a part time prosecutor in the town over where the other lawyer serves as the sitting judge.
• You work for Boeing and want a billion dollar contract with the U.S. government. You offer an extremely high paying job to the decision maker's daughter since there's no law against offering jobs to family members. Their daughter takes the job. Big surprise you get the contract.
• You're a white collar thief on Wall Street being investigated by the SEC. Your company has a history of hiring ex-SEC employees at insane salaries. Your investigation for some unknown reason dies. You hire the head guy that was investigating you and pay him millions of dollars.
• You want to be an Ambassador since your mom always wanted you to be. You donate half a million dollars into the Secretary of State's personal charity and get appointed ambassador.
• ... I can go on all day.

The point is that America's still extremely corrupt. It's not the definition of corruption that we know where you go and hand someone a briefcase of money to get things done. It's a song and dance that's socially accepted.

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Just look at "lobbying".

Yeah, there's sometimes socially positive reasons for "lobbying", but overall it's just a form of bribery so that private companies can maintain their competitive edge.

What's the difference between hiring a lobbyist and handing some Bangladeshi official a $50,000 Patek Philippe so that he can look the other way?

To me there's not much.



Now to answer your question:

I wouldn't migrate to another country because of corruption reasons. I would calculate where I would be happiest and have the highest likelihood of accomplishing my goals.

If you're happy in the country you're in, and think that it's the best place for you, then stay there. If the local business climate dictates that you offer bribes, then question your own ethics and decide what's right for you.

Personally, if I loved Bangladesh and thought that it was the greatest country in the world, then I'd stay there. And if the local politicians required a bribe for me operate my business there, then I'd pa

Definitely right about the pharmaceutical industry and lobbying and being one of the most corrupt organizations in the US. While Americans get sicker and sicker.

I have a friend in El Salvador who owns a construction exporting and importing business. She does very well but is always getting harassed by MS-13. She refused to pay most of the times until they started threatening her children.
Don’t know why she doesn’t move to US but I guess it’s not enough reason to leave her country yet.
Asia on the other hand is not that bad. Very good business opportunities in Vietnam and India.
And it’s safer than our own cities in the US.

 

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[Xeon]

 

[lunga ngcobo]

Once again, the psychotic carnival creatures in the house
Hokus pokus, joker's ride, come take a spin on a carnie ride
Southwest slithering snakes of darkness come
Hokus pokus, joker's ride, come take a spin on a carnie ride​

lol, are you trying to cast a spell on me ??

 

[100k]

thank you for the feed back, i have read both MJ DeMarco's books and they say nothing about luck and magic. but they do talk about numbers. growing up in a spiritual community, we are raised to believe in tales that don't exist.

mybe i should relocate coz i think getting the F*ck of this country may be my mind changer! THANK YOU!!

Def. stay away from people that aren't living in reality - there are a lot of people that want to live in the clouds or "the afterlife" - those people have given up on taking control of their lives/environment.

You don't necessarily need to move to a different nation (coz I know people come from other nations to South Africa and are able to find success), but def. distance yourself from certain types of people and surround yourself with logical people that have goals, ambition and are putting in the work to realize their dreams.


I'll see you around.

 

[guy93777]

Excuse my approach but i could'nt help but ask. Is black magic or lucky charms the real key wealth?

I live in South Africa and we have diverse cultures from muslims, indians, africans and whites. One thing I've noticed among the rich here is that most have some sort of belief and use black magic to convince other people to do business with them or to push their product.

Notice how some people will start a business from scratch and get tons of investors in a short period of time. Notice also how a flawed product will sell like hot cakes. I read a wealth building book some time ago and the author wrote that the main key to business is to persuade people or convince them.

I live in the east coast of South Africa where there is a high population of indians. and guess what... most of them are successful and admit to use some sort of Voodoo to grow their business.

So is this the missing part that every successful writer will skip and not tell readers for some reason. I know that making millions takes a lot of work but is there some other hidden factor that puts odds in your favor...? something like BLACK MAGIC?

do not use black magic. this is powerful stuff and it can backfire

you should never talk about esoteric stuff with regular people. never.

i have talked too much on this forum. this is a hard learned lesson


this can be dangerous as well for you because of human nature

socrates was forced to kill himself because he was too ahead of his time

just remember this :

Allegory of the cave - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

the guy standing above the cave will be killed / banned / punished by the masses if he talks too much

never forget that.

 

[broswoodwork]

do not use black magic. this is powerful stuff and it can backfire

you should never talk about esoteric stuff with regular people. never.

i have talked too much on this forum. this is a hard learned lesson


this can be dangerous as well for you because of human nature

socrates was forced to kill himself because he was too ahead of his time

just remember this :

Allegory of the cave - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

the guy standing above the cave will be killed / banned / punished by the masses if he talks too much

never forget that.

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I always interpreted the cave allegory as setting aside the metaphysical dogma (secret esoteric stuff or mass media), a spiritual and intellectual Script, and checking out the real work for yourself, even going so far as to look directly into the sun according to the dialog. Using Newtons flaming laser sword, if you will.

I may have misinterpreted it.

 

[lunga ngcobo]

@lunga ngcobo -- "Black magic" has absolutely nothing to do with success. "Black magic" is simply your local community's way of describing something they don't understand: why some people can become successful and others don't. It's your version on a very niche basis of "slowlane paradigm".

Let's run through some examples from a coupe different parts of the world to give you a better understanding of what's happening.

How can he afford that Lamborghini at a young age?

• America: He's probably a basketball player, or some kind of athlete.
• Eastern Europe: It has to be mafia. No one becomes that rich on their own.
• Southeast Asia: His parents must've had a successful business that he inherited.
• East Coast of Africa: Black Magic
• Other Places: Other bullshit

People don't understand success, so they come up with their own explanations. They have limited beliefs, limited knowledge, limited experiences... they simply can't think on the same level as someone whose made it so they come up with their own explanation.

And what propagates this thinking further is that the successful people will agree with your flawed assessment since it allows them to maintain their wealth. You ask some Indian guy if got rich because of black magic? F*ck yeah he did! And don't mess with him or you'll be cursed next.

The truth is... end of the day there's only one real way to get rich, and that's by providing value.

You create something that other people value - whether that be a product or a service, and you find a way to deliver it to them in a value chain that allows you to make a profit.

People need roads? Ok. You create a concrete paving company, build them the roads, and keep some money for yourself.

People want pizza? Ok. You find a way to make pizza they'll like and sell it to them.

People want cheap clothes? Ok. You find a way to import cheap clothes and make a small margin.

It's all about finding a way to deliver value. It has absolutely nothing to do with black magic.

your comment make 100% sense. thank you... But it also make sense to have such thoughts when ever since childhood all you have heard is, Luck, magic, voodoo, inheritance and more bull about how people get rich.

As i speak most of africa believe in these things and have tons of stories.

 

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[lunga ngcobo]

do not use black magic. this is powerful stuff and it can backfire

you should never talk about esoteric stuff with regular people. never.

i have talked too much on this forum. this is a hard learned lesson


this can be dangerous as well for you because of human nature

socrates was forced to kill himself because he was too ahead of his time

just remember this :

Allegory of the cave - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

the guy standing above the cave will be killed / banned / punished by the masses if he talks too much

never forget that.

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Hmmmm... now im scared. I once read that the government system is designed to elude people into believing that spiritual life doesn't exist. that way people become weak and easy to control. Not saying magic is the total formula but applying it here and there can be helpful. that is if you believe it will work for you.

thanks for the advice, mybe i should keep my mouth shut.

 

[100ToOne]

Jack parsons would agree...

John Whiteside "Jack" Parsons was an American rocket engineer and rocket propulsion researcher, chemist, and Thelemite occultist. Associated with the California Institute of Technology, Parsons was one of the principal founders of both the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and the Aerojet Engineering Corporation. Wikipedia

Anyway, I could teach you how he did it. I've sent you a link to my $997.00 course via PM on: "How To Make $456,380 Your First Month With Nothing But Ritual Magick & A Wooden Staff".

 

[Andy Black]

Black Magic?

I like the name. It has a certain ring to it that I can’t quite place...

Anyway... if some rituals give you the confidence to go and do things then maybe those rituals are helpful to you?

 

[Daniela101]

Hmmmm... now im scared. I once read that the government system is designed to elude people into believing that spiritual life doesn't exist. that way people become weak and easy to control. Not saying magic is the total formula but applying it here and there can be helpful. that is if you believe it will work for you.

thanks for the advice, mybe i should keep my mouth shut.

What you're saying is very true. Look Up Satanism in Hollywood and The Music Industry. Of course it's in politics too. The top 1%.

 

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