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Today, I earned more in a day than I've ever earned in my life.

45 COOKIES! LOL! Now to some people on here, that might be chicken change, but to me it means that my actions have finally been validated.

How limited your vision can be. I've learned that what you think is not possible, might just be an excuse for inaction.

You can do it! So start today!

If your imagination captureth, so can your reality.

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Day 84
(5 minutes) Strategy session ✅
(20 minutes) Article writing ✅
(5 minutes) Amazon Landing page - Refine landing page ✅
(1 hour) Shopify Construction ✅

If you're ever looking to design a website for a client you need to create a prototype first the both of you can agree on. it can even be a wireframe.

For that I recommend (And a lot of people online also recommend) Mockplus, Sketch, and Adobe XD in that order.

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Day 84
(5 minutes) Strategy session ✅
(20 minutes) Article writing ✅
(5 minutes) Amazon Landing page - Refine landing page ✅
(1 hour) Shopify Construction ✅

If you're ever looking to design a website for a client you need to create a prototype first the both of you can agree on. it can even be a wireframe.

For that I recommend (And a lot of people online also recommend) Mockplus, Sketch, and Adobe XD in that order.

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Day 85

(5 minutes) Coaching questions book ✅
(35 minutes) Wedding Article writing ✅
(1 hour) Shopify Construction ✅

The Secret Upwork Sauce - A Winning Proposal Guide

Just wanted to post this guide here that helped me secure a job on Upwork ...

This is for the personalised writing job that I previously got hired for.

When I asked the client why he hired my out of about 10 other people with the guidelines I'll list below, he said it was because I researched on his job post the best out of anyone else (Logic), and that he was sold the moment I showed genuine interest to help him out in his business (Emotion).

It's ok if it doesn't work 100% of the time, what matters is that you're in the top 1% of those who submit a proposal (Assuming you can do the job). And the guide isn't the end all be all, so use it and improve on it as you see fit.

P.S. If you can't download it, you're a guest user and you need to sign up to the forum and introduce yourself ;)

P.S.S. This was the same way I got my start on here, so just sign up already, introduce yourself and tell us your plans to achieve your dreams XD
 

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Edgar King

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Day 85

(5 minutes) Coaching questions book ✅
(35 minutes) Wedding Article writing ✅
(1 hour) Shopify Construction ✅

The Secret Upwork Sauce - A Winning Proposal Guide

Just wanted to post this guide here that helped me secure a job on Upwork ...

This is for the personalised writing job that I previously got hired for.

When I asked the client why he hired my out of about 10 other people with the guidelines I'll list below, he said it was because I researched on his job post the best out of anyone else (Logic), and that he was sold the moment I showed genuine interest to help him out in his business (Emotion).

It's ok if it doesn't work 100% of the time, what matters is that you're in the top 1% of those who submit a proposal (Assuming you can do the job). And the guide isn't the end all be all, so use it and improve on it as you see fit.

P.S. If you can't download it, you're a guest user and you need to sign up to the forum and introduce yourself ;)

P.S.S. This was the same way I got my start on here, so just sign up already, introduce yourself and tell us your plans to achieve your dreams XD
Day 86
(35 minutes) Article writing 2 sections ✅
(1 hour) Shopify Construction - Constructing wireframes ✅

It's pretty fun working to create something you're proud off. Maybe I should do a career switch to web development armed with knowledge of copy XD

One strategy I recommend to make sure you satisfy your clients that has worked for me is the green light strategy.

This involves doing a little bit of the work and sending it for review to get feedback.

For example, say you're writing a couple of articles. It's advised to draw up some outlines first right? Now, for a first time client you've never worked for before it might be pretty bonkers to just do the work from start to finish WITHOUT sending the outlines.

Not only do you risk having to do it ALL FROM SCRATCH, but you also risk the client being unhappy with your work.

Whatever work you do, find some way to get some feedback. 'Grow your beanstalk in the right direction. So you and your client are both happy.

P.S. if you think the client might be highly unresponsive, ask for some examples of what they want.

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Day 86
(35 minutes) Article writing 2 sections ✅
(1 hour) Shopify Construction - Constructing wireframes ✅

It's pretty fun working to create something you're proud off. Maybe I should do a career switch to web development armed with knowledge of copy XD

One strategy I recommend to make sure you satisfy your clients that has worked for me is the green light strategy.

This involves doing a little bit of the work and sending it for review to get feedback.

For example, say you're writing a couple of articles. It's advised to draw up some outlines first right? Now, for a first time client you've never worked for before it might be pretty bonkers to just do the work from start to finish WITHOUT sending the outlines.

Not only do you risk having to do it ALL FROM SCRATCH, but you also risk the client being unhappy with your work.

Whatever work you do, find some way to get some feedback. 'Grow your beanstalk in the right direction. So you and your client are both happy.

P.S. if you think the client might be highly unresponsive, ask for some examples of what they want.

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This is good advice! I do a lot of graphics development for industrial control systems.

One of the things I learned quickly was that you can spend 2x the amount of time it should take to make a graphic display if you try to perfect it. Instead get the functionality hammered out, say 80% there and fire off a screenshot to the customer. Typically they modify it a lot, which speed a the process along a lot and reduces hours spent only to have it torn apart after first seeing the display for the first time. As a bonus they feel like they have ownership in the process and it puts a positive spin on it and relieves anxiety about the newness of the display itself.
 

Edgar King

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Read Millionaire Fastlane
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Day 86
(35 minutes) Article writing 2 sections ✅
(1 hour) Shopify Construction - Constructing wireframes ✅

It's pretty fun working to create something you're proud off. Maybe I should do a career switch to web development armed with knowledge of copy XD

One strategy I recommend to make sure you satisfy your clients that has worked for me is the green light strategy.

This involves doing a little bit of the work and sending it for review to get feedback.

For example, say you're writing a couple of articles. It's advised to draw up some outlines first right? Now, for a first time client you've never worked for before it might be pretty bonkers to just do the work from start to finish WITHOUT sending the outlines.

Not only do you risk having to do it ALL FROM SCRATCH, but you also risk the client being unhappy with your work.

Whatever work you do, find some way to get some feedback. 'Grow your beanstalk in the right direction. So you and your client are both happy.

P.S. if you think the client might be highly unresponsive, ask for some examples of what they want.

Log out...
Day 87
(1:10 hour) Shopify Construction - Send prototype, build prototype for pages ✅

3 Simple Daily Actions To Supercharge Your Life

Got these tidbits of wisdom from Lex. These should act as your guide.

1. Help one person a day | Provide value to one person a day
2. Do 1 action that scares you everyday
3. For 10-30 minutes each day, embrace doing things you really want to do deep down.

For me...
1. Someone reached out to our Uni group to ask for help in settling a couples private accommodation. Everyone was mostly afraid of doing it so almost no one responded...

And so was I XD So I communicated in secret to let them know great websites to find one appropriate for their needs.

2. Honestly... I don't think I did this XD But I like to think 2 & 3 can be a substitute for each other :D

3. I went out to meet with my friends (Virtually). Though I originally went out for a jog. I'd been putting it off for a while and it helped to soothe my mind.

Best of luck on your adventures fellow comrade.

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Edgar King

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Read Millionaire Fastlane
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Day 87
(1:10 hour) Shopify Construction - Send prototype, build prototype for pages ✅

3 Simple Daily Actions To Supercharge Your Life

Got these tidbits of wisdom from Lex. These should act as your guide.

1. Help one person a day | Provide value to one person a day
2. Do 1 action that scares you everyday
3. For 30 minutes each day, embrace doing things you really want to do deep down.

For me...
1. Someone reached out to our Uni group to ask for help in settling a couples private accommodation. Everyone was mostly afraid of doing it so almost no one responded...

And so was I XD So I communicated in secret to let them know great websites to find one appropriate for their needs.

2. Honestly... I don't think I did this XD But I like to think 2 & 3 can be a substitute for each other :D

3. I went out to meet with my friends (Virtually). Though I originally went out for a jog. I'd been putting it off for a while and it helped to soothe my mind.

Best of luck on your adventures fellow comrade.

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Day 88
(5 minutes) Blue Oceans Strategy book
(35 minutes) Article writing
(1:20 hour) Shopify Construction - Send prototype, build prototype for pages

When Should I Give Up?

Oh boy, the clock's ticking!

One way I've found to be effective in finding a person's problems is by asking:

"What's been on your to do list for a while now?"

They'll tell you, and then you can step in and help them out (Value).

I just went back to one of my previous posts on the thread and saw this exact statement...
I'm so behind. At this rate, I'll need to get $25 a day for the next 45 days ($175) to even consider passing the $1k mark.

I've learned that when you fail, when you're defeated you gain XP. You're growing.

I submitted so many Upwork proposals in the beginning that weren't responded to and granted, to this day I'm still trying to perfect the process. But qualitatively, I believe the response rates are a whole lot better and that's due to just trudging on and doing my best to improve the process.

Let your motto be, "Watch me get crushed!" And launch a frontal attack on the fierce bosses that hold the keys to your dream life. Even if you loose, you'll grow by the magnitude of the defeat to come out a whole lot stronger.

I remember MJ saying something like this...

The only time you're allowed to give up is:
A) When you make your first sale
B) When a large sample proves you should readjust or stop.

Do actions that lead to sales, and go crush it!
 

Edgar King

Bronze Contributor
Read Millionaire Fastlane
I've Read UNSCRIPTED
Speedway Pass
May 29, 2021
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Day 88
(5 minutes) Blue Oceans Strategy book
(35 minutes) Article writing
(1:20 hour) Shopify Construction - Send prototype, build prototype for pages

When Should I Give Up?

Oh boy, the clock's ticking!

One way I've found to be effective in finding a person's problems is by asking:

"What's been on your to do list for a while now?"

They'll tell you, and then you can step in and help them out (Value).

I just went back to one of my previous posts on the thread and saw this exact statement...


I've learned that when you fail, when you're defeated you gain XP. You're growing.

I submitted so many Upwork proposals in the beginning that weren't responded to and granted, to this day I'm still trying to perfect the process. But qualitatively, I believe the response rates are a whole lot better and that's due to just trudging on and doing my best to improve the process.

Let your motto be, "Watch me get crushed!" And launch a frontal attack on the fierce bosses that hold the keys to your dream life. Even if you loose, you'll grow by the magnitude of the defeat to come out a whole lot stronger.

I remember MJ saying something like this...

The only time you're allowed to give up is:
A) When you make your first sale
B) When a large sample proves you should readjust or stop.

Do actions that lead to sales, and go crush it!
Day 89
Break
The last day approaches, a new dawn encroaches.
Log out...
 

sap_LA

New Contributor
Read Millionaire Fastlane
May 20, 2021
10
9
15
Day 88
(5 minutes) Blue Oceans Strategy book
(35 minutes) Article writing
(1:20 hour) Shopify Construction - Send prototype, build prototype for pages

When Should I Give Up?

Oh boy, the clock's ticking!

One way I've found to be effective in finding a person's problems is by asking:

"What's been on your to do list for a while now?"

They'll tell you, and then you can step in and help them out (Value).

I just went back to one of my previous posts on the thread and saw this exact statement...


I've learned that when you fail, when you're defeated you gain XP. You're growing.

I submitted so many Upwork proposals in the beginning that weren't responded to and granted, to this day I'm still trying to perfect the process. But qualitatively, I believe the response rates are a whole lot better and that's due to just trudging on and doing my best to improve the process.

Let your motto be, "Watch me get crushed!" And launch a frontal attack on the fierce bosses that hold the keys to your dream life. Even if you loose, you'll grow by the magnitude of the defeat to come out a whole lot stronger.

I remember MJ saying something like this...

The only time you're allowed to give up is:
A) When you make your first sale
B) When a large sample proves you should readjust or stop.

Do actions that lead to sales, and go crush it!
Sent out some prototypes of my product today for testing! I’ll collect some feedback in a procedural way with survey sheets asking specific questions. I’m digging for big things that I missed in the value skew. If nothing major sticks out, on to selling and then if that works, scaling (production).
 

Edgar King

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Sent out some prototypes of my product today for testing! I’ll collect some feedback in a procedural way with survey sheets asking specific questions. I’m digging for big things that I missed in the value skew. If nothing major sticks out, on to selling and then if that works, scaling (production).
That's awesome!

Did some digging, and I believe these threads would help tremendously for a launch online to validate your product ideas if it ever comes to that-

(Though you might not need it, since I get the sense you're testing it offline already with your target market)


@journeyman's thread was especially comprehensive and practical.

TL;DR

You can create a simple Shopify site or landing page to validate it by posting some pictures and descriptions and pulling traffic to it.

If it's something people are actively searching for online (google ads) or would like but aren't, use Facebook ads. Structure the website as if you are selling something that already exists by making it professional.

If you're profitable, cha-ching! You have a validated business idea. And if not, there's always room to improve the website design, copy etc

You can then scale with the assurance that people find your idea valuable.

By asking them to buy you'll get cold hard market research, rather than just profitless yesses XD.

For the value skew, you can then collect e-mails from the people that reached conversion and engage with the people who signed up. You can then ask them for feedback, what they liked about the product, how it helped them, what you can improve etc. Which will allow you to skew value from there too!

And if they checkout, you can then tell them the product is currently unavailable but will be stocked soon so they were not charged anything for it.

In any case, sending them out physically for real time testing so they can touch and experiment with it would still work! In fact, you can use it as a stepping stone before testing it online on a larger sample, but that's just my 2 cents.

Take my advice with a grain of salt though, I've never launched a product before XD
 
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Edgar King

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Day 90
Woohoo!
We DID IT LET'S GOOOOO

(5 minutes) Blue Oceans Strategy book ✅
(35 minutes) Article writing 2 sections ✅
(1:10 hour) Shopify Construction - Send prototype, build prototype for pages ✅

XD

This was an awesome experience! Enduring through the struggles, the confusion, the experience, it was 101% worth it!

I'll write a review, so you guys can hopefully leave with something.

See you then fellow astronauts,
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Edgar King

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Read Millionaire Fastlane
I've Read UNSCRIPTED
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Day 90
Woohoo!
We DID IT LET'S GOOOOO

(5 minutes) Blue Oceans Strategy book ✅
(35 minutes) Article writing 2 sections ✅
(1:10 hour) Shopify Construction - Send prototype, build prototype for pages ✅

XD

This was an awesome experience! Enduring through the struggles, the confusion, the experience, it was 101% worth it!

I'll write a review, so you guys can hopefully leave with something.

See you then fellow astronauts,
Log out...
Start Your Own 90 Day Challenge
Profit Generated: $400+/$1000 goal
Zooweemama!

How I'd Reach $1k


The me in the first 5,30,50 days of this challenge was such a NOOB. Thanks to all of the awesome members on here who helped me to achieve this!

I ask myself, "Why didn't I think of this earlier??"

You might think you're in a battle to the death right now, but a month from today you're probably going to look back and see yourself as a... NOOB. But that's a great thing!

It means you grew! You gained XP and improved which makes it that more likely you're going to succeed at your goal So don't give up, the challenges really do make you stronger.

Above all else, provide value...

This was where the inspiration for the challenge was born...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrZ7dEL44Qo


In other news...

I failed! NOOOOO XD But I'm a lot more experienced and a lot more inclined to hear needs to generate solutions for solve them.

Though a little late, in the next 3 weeks or so I should have made about $1K so not all is lost. ;) (Of course, all things held constant).

Do take my advice with a grain of salt. My highest paid jobs on Upwork were a result of being scouted on this forum.

So let's cut to the chase...

If I went back in time, this is what I'd advise my past self to do all this faster.

Make (Almost Anyway) $1K/Month With A Specialised Skill (Copywriting) And Start Your Own 90 Day Challenge

START

Read GOLD! - Lex DeVille's: 15 Days to Freedom - Make Money Copywriting in 15 Days or Less (Do everything).

Read Ca$shvertising.

Cut out interviewing and jump straight to the chase.

0. Find your why. Write down the major reasons you want to do this, it'll help to review and keep you moving in the hard times.

1. Choose a goal for the next 90 days/quarter (It's recommend to 10X this so you'll fail successfully).

2. Write down a plan/outline to achieve said goal. It's 100% recommended to learn from the people who have achieved it.

Why an outline? Because your actions will most likely reveal a whole new set of plans to perform. Just looking at my thread I started off interviewing people, then copywriting, and finally web development. Plans will evolve with time, and it's ok to evolve with them.

Adjust as necessary. The pieces of the puzzle will eventually fall into place with your continued actions.

2.5. Rules. Create rules for the challenge if you need to. For example: Take a break day a week. Or invest at least 1 hour everyday.

3. Do actions daily that directly achieve your goal and act based on favourable maths

[For example, go for that 1 big client, instead of 10 smaller ones that will help you achieve your goals.

Scale X Magnitude is true, except you can't really scale your hours so it's best to increase the magnitude by working with higher paying clients] (Act for at least 1 hour a day, excluding break days).

Preferably write down the actions you did, and the time it took to do them to keep you motivated.

These actions should lead directly to sales. The Goal is to GET THE FIRST PAYING CUSTOMER AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. These actions should lead to results, which will lead to feedback, which will lead to refined processes, which will lead to success.

4. Accountability. Post it on this forum or join a group that will hold you accountable to spending 1 hour a day on the project.

5. Weekly review sessions. At the end of the week or for 5-10 minutes on some days, review your progress for things you can improve and think how you will strategically deal with issues. Make sure you're in line with the bigger picture.

6. Focus. Become a master at ONE thing/method, rather than be a jack of all trades. Trim the fat and double down on that ONE thing that's pushing the needle. Trying to do more than that will split your time and attention.

7. Processes. For actions/processes that repeat often write and update how you do them. It'll make outsourcing the process a whole lot easier. Plus, your efforts a whole lot more successful.

You're only allowed to give up when two conditions have been fulfilled:

A) You've made your first sale
B) When a large enough sample proves you should readjust or stop.

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Go to Upwork and apply to entry jobs to rack up reviews. Gather 3 5 star reviews and apply to higher priced gigs afterwards.

If you're writing long proposals, then stop settling for low-paying gigs. Increase your Upwork rates and only take clients when it is a 1000% perfect fit for your skills and interests. Overdeliver. Trust me, it's worth striving for that perfect client.

As WJK said, as you advance in the freelance world you will become more established. You'll create a network of contacts and clients by having your name out there with a good reputation.

This is when you invent your own productocracy - when you won't need to advertise yourself anymore as people come to you.

Roy Kent once said, "You deserve someone that makes you feel like you've been struck by lightning. Don't settle ever for fine."

Do note...
"An idea with great potential will start out as a small success that then becomes a bigger success.

The fact that you've had small success even from the very beginning, serves as confirmation that it can become a much bigger success.

Very rarely does a project start out as a complete failure and end up being a huge success.

The point is that if your product is any good, you should be able to find a small number of people that are excited about it, even in the beginning. "


Pivot as the market demands.

END

Now, go out there and make a difference!

P.S. Tag me If you decide to start your own challenge, so I can advise if possible. I'll probably come back a week or two to start the second quarter of this, but no promises ;)
 

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