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The Worldwide C0VlD-19 Coronavirus Pandemic Discussion Thread...

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Here's a question... why do people need to come out in favor of minimization BEFORE all of the risks are known? What if you are wrong? (And yes, some I am addressing this to on the forum would be considered friends before and after this crisis passes us by).

What do you gain from minimizing an UNKNOWN risk? Isn't it more prudent to err in the side of cautiousness?

If I'm wrong, I have a few cans of pork and beans to consume during hurricane season. What if YOU'RE wrong?
It actually says a lot about the power of peer pressure. We're more terrified of being perceived by the outgroup as a chicken little than we are of being caught without extra bottled water in the basement during a pandemic. The world is one giant high school cafeteria, @Vigilante

Also, pretty sure those pork and beans will blow the house down before a hurricane will. :rofl:
 
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Here's a question... why do people need to come out in favor of minimization BEFORE all of the risks are known? What if you are wrong? (And yes, some I am addressing this to on the forum would be considered friends before and after this crisis passes us by).

What do you gain from minimizing an UNKNOWN risk? Isn't it more prudent to err in the side of cautiousness?

If I'm wrong, I have a few cans of pork and beans to consume during hurricane season. What if YOU'RE wrong?

Maybe the comment isn't directed at me, but I'll chime in.

Personally, I wasn't trying to minimize, as in trivialize. I was trying to minimize, as in put things in a different perspective.

I shared what I shared because this thread had me legit panicked for about 4 hours a few days ago. Some people have shared some seemingly credible scary stuff on here.

The unknown nature of this gave my brain fits, especially when I asked myself, "What if my kids got the possibly weaponized never seen before world infecting killer virus for which we have no cure?"

Brain. Stopped. Working.

My fear felt irrational.

So I started seeking out the counterpoints. I had to know to what level of fear was rational.

And I think that's a very personal choice. I don't judge anyone else who is more or less fearful than I am about this. We all have our own choices to make. We all have our own people to protect. How we go about that is up to us individually.

I wanted to find legitimate reasons to not worry as much, which is very different than saying not worry at all.

There is a lot unknown. But there is a lot that is known too.

And if I struggled with this kind of emotion, then others probably are/have.

That said, I personally stocked up because it is better to have and not need than need and not have.

And asking questions of the couple people I know who work in the field, along with reading that article I shared helped me breathe easier.

I "minimized" because dialing things down from "petrified to inaction" to "concerned, prepared, and vigilant" helped me, and I thought it might help others.
 

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It's probably too soon to know its true mortality rate. The rate might be lower than we think because we're not testing nearly enough people. (If only the very sick are tested, this artifically inflates the mortality rate.) Or it might be higher than we think, because deaths by this virus have been miscategorized as deaths by something else, such as the flu or pneumonia. (Apparently, this has been happening quite a bit in China, where government officials are strongly encouraged to list something else as the cause of death in order to present a rosier picture.)

But as of right now, the mortality rate is almost certainly higher than the flu, maybe much higher than the flu. And it appears to be far more contagious, which is a real problem. Whenever I hear someone say, "Eh, it's no more dangerous than the flu," I can't help but wince. This thing is more contagious, more deadly, more likely to require extended hospitalization, and more likely to leave the person with long-lasting health problems afterward. I'm not panicking. But I am taking this seriously.

**Edit to Spell Out the Headline of the Attached Screenshot. "Coronavirus death toll climbs to 9 in U.S. as global mortality rate increases to 3.4%."
 
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It actually says a lot about the power of peer pressure. We're more terrified of being perceived by the outgroup as a chicken little than we are of being caught without extra bottled water in the basement during a pandemic. The world is one giant high school cafeteria, @Vigilante

Also, pretty sure those pork and beans will blow the house down before a hurricane will. :rofl:
I was thinking of Noah the other day, and how he was made fun of by his community. Noah was the first Prepper, lol.

Also, like @MJ DeMarco (thanks for the books!!!) said, once they declare an emergency, or lock down your area, the food is gone. Where I live, we have to predict where hurricanes will hit before it is announced, and make sure prep occurs before this, too. So, like @Vigilante, I'll either have some food for hurricane season, or I can donate to the food pantry.

My son said, "Why did you buy canned chicken? But I guess if we don't have any food, I'll say, oh cool, canned chicken!"
 

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I shared what I shared because this thread had me legit panicked for about 4 hours a few days ago. Some people have shared some seemingly credible scary stuff on here.

The unknown nature of this gave my brain fits, especially when I asked myself, "What if my kids got the possibly weaponized never seen before world infecting killer virus for which we have no cure?"

Brain. Stopped. Working.

My fear felt irrational.

So I started seeking out the counterpoints. I had to know to what level of fear was rational.

And if I struggled with this kind of emotion, then others probably are/have.

That said, I personally stocked up because it is better to have and not need than need and not have.

This leads to an interesting question. As business owners, we deal with the unknown all the time. In fact, the unknown is pretty much the only truth that we know.

So maybe this is why some of us act differently than others to this virus. I know for me, my first reaction was to read the data, come to my own conclusions, make my own predictions and then do something about it.

This is why I stocked up a few weeks ago. That was for me personally. For my business, I ordered additional supplies that we needed for inventory and took steps to make sure we had enough inventory for the next 6-8 months.

When talking to others who work a regular job, they seemed to downplay everything. They didn't like to think about "what if scenarios." Maybe that is because "what if scenarios" to them are all doom and gloom. If you think about it, 9 to 5 workers worry about alot of things, like the economy, whether or not they will get laid off, and they can't do anything about them.

Maybe as entrepreneurs we see things from a different lens. We are used running scenarios in our heads and developing plans and solving problems.
 

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I was thinking of Noah the other day, and how he was made fun of by his community. Noah was the first Prepper, lol.

Also, like @MJ DeMarco (thanks for the books!!!) said, once they declare an emergency, or lock down your area, the food is gone. Where I live, we have to predict where hurricanes will hit before it is announced, and make sure prep occurs before this, too. So, like @Vigilante, I'll either have some food for hurricane season, or I can donate to the food pantry.

My son said, "Why did you buy canned chicken? But I guess if we don't have any food, I'll say, oh cool, canned chicken!"

lol the canned chicken was one of the things my wife questioned
 
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This leads to an interesting question. As business owners, we deal with the unknown all the time. In fact, the unknown is pretty much the only truth that we know.

So maybe this is why some of us act differently than others to this virus. I know for me, my first reaction was to read the data, come to my own conclusions, make my own predictions and then do something about it.

This is why I stocked up a few weeks ago. That was for me personally. For my business, I ordered additional supplies that we needed for inventory and took steps to make sure we had enough inventory for the next 6-8 months.

When talking to others who work a regular job, they seemed to downplay everything. They didn't like to think about "what if scenarios." Maybe that is because "what if scenarios" to them are all doom and gloom. If you think about it, 9 to 5 workers worry about alot of things, like the economy, whether or not they will get laid off, and they can't do anything about them.

Maybe as entrepreneurs we see things from a different lens. We are used running scenarios in our heads and developing plans and solving problems.

brilliant and interesting introspection

but sal would be an outlier to the theory
 

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This brings up an interesting thought, regarding receiving the annual flu shots, and if by chance that could possibly help prevent people from possibly catching C0VlD-19. Could it be a defense in contracting the virus?

I personally have never gotten flu shots, but I'm the type that will rarely even take aspirin let alone most shots. But I would really consider it if it might thwart the chance of getting it.

It has made me more conscious of washing my hands and wiping down items.
 

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It is good to have food and water and other essentials stocked up at all times, even when things are good in the world. It doesn't take much in our modern world to upset the status quo. Wouldn't you rather have a full tank of gas and food in the house BEFORE shit hits the fan, rather than during?

Don't let your vehicles get less than half a tank of gas. Imagine being the guy that can leave town, rather than being the guy stuck in a 3 hour lineup for 5L of gas. I learned to keep my gas tank full at all times just because it is cold up here lots of the year, and I want to be able to choose to fill it up on warmer days rather than being forced to fill during a blizzard or something. Same goes for if shit ever hits the fan.
 
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When talking to others who work a regular job, they seemed to downplay everything. They didn't like to think about "what if scenarios." Maybe that is because "what if scenarios" to them are all doom and gloom. If you think about it, 9 to 5 workers worry about alot of things, like the economy, whether or not they will get laid off, and they can't do anything about them.
Thanks Biophase. This explains why a cashier wasn't very happy when I came out with just a 2/3 trolly of foods/stuffs yesterday. She looked at me in a very unfriendly / sour-faced and pretended to talk to talked to the other man ".... I don't understand why people stocking up....it's silly...it's only the medias blowing it up...it's nothing....blabla..."
 

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This brings up an interesting thought, regarding receiving the annual flu shots, and if by chance that could possibly help prevent people from possibly catching C0VlD-19. Could it be a defense in contracting the virus?

I personally have never gotten flu shots, but I'm the type that will rarely even take aspirin let alone most shots. But I would really consider it if it might thwart the chance of getting it.

It has made me more conscious of washing my hands and wiping down items.

Not likely. Flu is influenza virus vs corona virus. Two totally different species. There can be cross immunity between different strains of flu, depending on how much similarity to other flu viruses.

one of the scary things about CV at the moment is that as it grows in the population, the more likely there are to be mutated variants and yearly recurrence of CV outbreaks. So we may go through years of different waves of infection. Time will tell. Hopefully this won’t be the case, but something I have been thinking about a lot lately.
 

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I was reading from the CDC site for healthcare workers about CV.

You are being lied to about the value of n95 or greater masks. I believe they are just trying to conserve supply, which for me is a good thing since I work in hospitals, but it is not honest or true what they are advising the public

Quote directly from CDC site for health care works:

Person-to-person spread
The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.
  • Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
  • Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.
These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.
Spread from contact with infected surfaces or objects
It may be possible that a person can get C0VlD-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.”

 
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Just got a video sent to me from a friend who's driving to supermarkets looking for toilet paper and can't find any, the state I'm in doesn't even have a confirmed case yet.

I get mine delivered in 6 month batches, due for one next week I think, hopefully that gets supplied and I'll be good in that regard :thumbsup:
 

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My girlfriend just messaged me to confirm our delivery is good, and that we should do the same thing as this ad :rofl:
 
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After 38,000 views, and 560 posts, there have been no personal insults in this thread until you made one today.

:roadblock: I feel as a group we can do better than this. I think there needs to be a rule that if by the 200th post, if no one has made a personal insult.... CLOSE THE THREAD! :roadblock:
 

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The first case in Poland today.

I prepped a week back. Got enough food, supplies, toiletries, and "tactical gear" to stay well feed and secure for over a month. All in only cost me around $500.

As long as the power stays on I would probably catch up on a lot of work and some good books I have been meaning to read ha.
 
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To answer you in short: no, we will not.

The virus kills only 2-3% of the infected. These people usually lack hygienic measures and/or suffer another disease at the same time.

Just looking at the numbers, I find this corona thing blown way out of proportion. People should care more about malaria and tuberculosis in poor countries.

I really despise the hypocrisy of Western societies' middle class. Something is only important, if it touches them.
 

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To answer you in short: no, we will not.

The virus kills only 2-3% of the infected. These people usually lack hygienic measures and/or suffer another disease at the same time.

Just looking at the numbers, I find this corona thing blown way out of proportion. People should care more about malaria and tuberculosis in poor countries.

I really despise the hypocrisy of Western societies' middle class. Something is only important, if it touches them.

From some of your previous threads/posts you mentioned you were single and without any kids... but until you have a child or significant other that depend on you, you really can't understand the thoughts and feelings associated with unknowns of this virus.... you think you can, but you can't.

Of course EVERYONE cares about what effects them. If something effects your business versus someone else's, I wonder which business you would care about more.... yours of course.

Also, the 'holier than thou' of your your last sentence is pretty arrogant. One can care about others problems and their own at the same time, empathy is not a zero sum game.
 

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When talking to others who work a regular job, they seemed to downplay everything.

I suspect that entrepreneurs also perceive being prepared in a more positive outlook than 9-5 workers.

While both 9-5 workers and the self-employed are equally capable of "prepping", there's a huge difference in meaning/purpose behind the prep in these two groups.

I suspect that the entrepreneur has the mindset of prepping to avoid getting sick. They prep to hunker down until the storm passes. It's a fairly positive mindset and outlook of the situation which makes prepping a relatively stress-free task.

The 9-5 worker by comparison KNOWS they WILL get sick if it hits. It's unavailable. They have to go into work to get paid and keep their jobs. They can't just choose not to come into the office for a few months while they wait and see how the infection spreads. Every day they have to ask the question "is today the day I get sick?". This means that prepping is a very negative and stressful event because they aren't prepping to avoid the disease - they are prepping for when they get sick.

And as we all know, most people's first response to a highly stressful upcoming situation is total avoidance. The easiest form of avoidance available is denial. "It's a big media scare, it's no worse than the cold, it's not in our city", etc...

That being said, I have to believe you are also right with regards to the entrepreneur simply being used to dealing with the unknown. Even if an entrepreneur expects they might get sick (with kids in school or a spouse at work or a business that interacts with people, for example) they are still better mentally prepared to deal with it than the 9-5 worker simply by virtue of not having the option to shy away from unknown negatives like the average 9-5 worker can.
 
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To answer you in short: no, we will not.

The virus kills only 2-3% of the infected. These people usually lack hygienic measures and/or suffer another disease at the same time.

Just looking at the numbers, I find this corona thing blown way out of proportion. People should care more about malaria and tuberculosis in poor countries.

I really despise the hypocrisy of Western societies' middle class. Something is only important, if it touches them.
So which one of the Western societies middle class problems is important to YOU? Or is your perception of this offense a one-way street.
 

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Does someone have a list of groceries for 14 days lol? I have no idea what I should get. Rice and spaghetti for every day probably and lots of water? Any ideas from the ones that already prepped ?
 

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Does someone have a list of groceries for 14 days lol? I have no idea what I should get. Rice and spaghetti for every day probably and lots of water? Any ideas from the ones that already prepped ?

What a lazy comment. First off, if you read thread @lowtek helped with some guidance on this already. Second off, you don't know what you like to eat? Third off, if you can't build a grocery list for yourself, how are you going to build a fastlane business? At some point you gotta look yourself in the mirror and do your own work.

I mean, you could've easily typed this into Google and taken up less of everybody's time. And apparently lose weight at the same time. Win win. :rofl:

 
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What a lazy comment. First off, if you read thread @lowtek helped with some guidance on this already. Second off, you don't know what you like to eat? Third off, if you can't build a grocery list for yourself, how are you going to build a fastlane business? At some point you gotta look yourself in the mirror and do your own work.

I mean, you could've easily typed this into Google and taken up less of everybody's time. And apparently lose weight at the same time. Win win. :rofl:


I have little experience with canned foods. I asked because a lot of people in this thread seem to have experience with prepping. I see where you are coming from that it is a lazy comment. It is. I trust the forum more than a random blog post that google might send me too. That is why I ask. It is not that deep. If that's not oke on the forum then let me know. I get your point but in my opinion, you don't have to try to judge one's life because of one sentence. That's a bit extra to me but whatever makes you feel superior.
 

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I have tickets to fly to Rome next week for a vacation with a friend. Obviously, I'm not going to go. I don't want to get sick nor be out of action if they make me stay home for 2 weeks after the trip! Most of Italy is on the alert list for United Airlines, but not Rome. I can go and I can't do much when I get there. And, I'm out of luck unless United put Rome on their list... I put in a claim with American Express trip insurance and they don't cover the problem with the virus... Oh well. I guess I didn't want to go that bad anyway.
 

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I have little experience with canned foods. I asked because a lot of people in this thread seem to have experience with prepping. I see where you are coming from that it is a lazy comment. It is. I trust the forum more than a random blog post that google might send me too. That is why I ask. It is not that deep. If that's not oke on the forum then let me know. I get your point but in my opinion, you don't have to try to judge one's life because of one sentence. That's a bit extra to me but whatever makes you feel superior.

I wasn't "judging your life" nor trying to "feel superior". Don't be dramatic, don't play the victim, because if you really see where I'm coming from then there's no need for that. Where I am coming from is trying to help you motivate yourself to take action for yourself. Empower yourself. And motivate anyone else reading this to take action for themselves. That's what I'm about. And that lesson applies to "prepping" and to business.

Did you go back and find lowtek's post about calorie counts? Did you at least start making a shopping list?
 
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This leads to an interesting question. As business owners, we deal with the unknown all the time. In fact, the unknown is pretty much the only truth that we know.

So maybe this is why some of us act differently than others to this virus. I know for me, my first reaction was to read the data, come to my own conclusions, make my own predictions and then do something about it.

This is why I stocked up a few weeks ago. That was for me personally. For my business, I ordered additional supplies that we needed for inventory and took steps to make sure we had enough inventory for the next 6-8 months.

When talking to others who work a regular job, they seemed to downplay everything. They didn't like to think about "what if scenarios." Maybe that is because "what if scenarios" to them are all doom and gloom. If you think about it, 9 to 5 workers worry about alot of things, like the economy, whether or not they will get laid off, and they can't do anything about them.

Maybe as entrepreneurs we see things from a different lens. We are used running scenarios in our heads and developing plans and solving problems.

I think there's truth to this. I wouldn't lump all 9-5ers in the same boat though. My engineer friends tended to prep, for example.

Another difference is that most of our 9-5 friends aren't really directly impacted. We on the forum heard about the disruption to the supply chain way before it started making it into the public consciousness. Someone in this thread shared videos from China. Others, yourself included, I think, shared direct conversations with people on the ground out there. If I lived a 9-5 life, I doubt I would've seen that at all, much less 3 weeks ago...
 

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This brings up an interesting thought, regarding receiving the annual flu shots, and if by chance that could possibly help prevent people from possibly catching C0VlD-19. Could it be a defense in contracting the virus?

I personally have never gotten flu shots, but I'm the type that will rarely even take aspirin let alone most shots. But I would really consider it if it might thwart the chance of getting it.

It has made me more conscious of washing my hands and wiping down items.
Unfortunately it won't. Anti viral drugs are not universal in their effect but if you are susceptible, having a flu shot will no doubt help avoid getting the flu and making your state of health worse.

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