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I've been a loser now I MUST find a solution! Any advice?

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Is the difficulty with focus, also present when you learn about dealing with people? When you read books, watch videos, have conversations about marketing, presentations, closing, customer service, etc. do you zone out after 20 minutes? Or is that only with code?

Some people simply don't have the capacity to become great coders. Everyone's awful at something. My lousy skills include that I never learned to properly throw a football so it has a spiral. You could have a super bowl champion coach me daily and I still wouldn't get it, I just can't get my elbow and wrist to do exactly the right things.

In code, I think the break comes with pointers. If you were given a whiteboard and markers, could you diagram inserting to a linked list? Or how a retrieval tree uses a hash of the key to designate a starting bucket, then some nodes have contents dereferenced as pointers to the addresses of subsequent child nodes? Or does your mind just close down at that no matter what you do with that kind of material?

If your brain just plain crashes on this stuff, try a class in SQL databases. And if that makes your brain crash too, then maybe you should have a career where you empathetically talk with people, and you work with coders who loved to learn more about algorithms because it comes easy for them.

Malcolm Gladwell referred to 10,000 hours of practice to become a world-class expert. For example, the Beatles already had that much time on stage before they began their recording career. I think you don't need to worry about it. Find some things you're good at without a struggle, and learn how to monetize them from good enough work to get paid.

Thank you man. I'd say that when I study at nights and do projects that I really like so internet marketing etc I don't lose any focus, sometimes I can stay up all night without losing focus and I don't realized time passes..

I'm a terrible student in college of computer science, I can undestand some coding but I know that I won't be the best at it, I suck at it and I like to work with people rather than computers.

Yes, actually I'd love to manage a coding team instead of being the coder lol
 
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listen and learn about David Goggins, he's the guy who will get you out of your loser sh*t talk

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78I9dTB9vqM&t=292s


If you don't know where to start, start with your health and physique. No matter what point in life you are at, you don't feel like a loser by having a 6 pack and being full of energy.

"Embrace the suck"
 

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I got my BS/EE in 89 because my parents told me I should get an engineering degree because I was "good" at science and math. I've been hobbying my own business since '99, and am finally working on turning it into a business these past two years. So it's all a process.

Should you finish the degree?

Well, I would ask "What do you want to be an entrepreneur in?"

If it relates to programming/IT/electronics, then maybe finish the degree while you build up your side business. I've found that when I know the business, it's easier to understand how to outsource.

If there's one thing I've learned, just because I fail doesn't make me a failure (unless I give up).

You got this.

Hi everyone, I'm new member here.

Basically I've been studying these last years programming, electronics and telecommunications degree (in Europe).

I still need to graduate and get the bachelor but I'm far away from finishing it.
Any advice? Is there anyone here that had the same experience like me in the past?
 

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Hi everyone, I'm new member here.

After reading MJ's book, I've realized many things about my life.

I've been a loser for more than three years.
Basically I've been studying these last years programming, electronics and telecommunications degree (in Europe).

I still need to graduate and get the bachelor but I'm far away from finishing it.
I've just realized how much time I've wasted procrastinating, hanging out with losers and NOT working or studying enough. My parents don't know nothing about this situation. They always helped me and paid for my studies. They think I'm doing good but I'm not. I feel so bad about it.

I'm telling you this here because I've realized I want to change my life, be a real entrepreneur and become a real winner in life (so I can help also my family because they helped me).

I've also realized that the studies I'm doing are not my main focus/goals, the only thing is that if I dropout now it would be really hard to find a job as many employers could ask me why I didn't finish my studies and why I didn't work. I know I want to create my own business but before I need some save up money from a job or an hustle.

I don't want to look like a desperate guy but I know I want to CHANGE my life and stop all the BS I've told myself in the last years of my life. I want to start WINNING and stop losing.

I still feel like my mind worked against me so I couldn't be able to reach any goal yet.

Any advice? Is there anyone here that had the same experience like me in the past?
Why drop out? You have a long learning curve to be ready to start your business. Finish your studies. Study business on the side and get ready to jump when the time is right.

How can you use your current education to start a business? Sit on the front row in class, and put your shoulder into it. Constantly ask yourself and your profs how you can use all this knowledge to create a good business. Read. Learn. Talk to everyone you meet. Carry a notebook and keep notes on any ideas that may become good ideas. Program your mind to work on it while you're sleeping. There is nothing new under the sun. Genius is taking existing parts and ideas, and reordering them to create something new or different. You'll know when you reach the right moment to get started.

You have an advantage that I never had -- your parents are paying your way, so you're not working on the side. What are you doing with all that free time? Don't tell me that you don't have any spare time.

(When I was your age, I carried 18 units in college and worked 32 hours a week to feed and house myself. Yes, I was very successful in my classes. I was there to learn.)

The information you'll need to create a business is free or cheap. It's all online or in ebooks. It's your choice.
www.wjkbusinessbuzz.com
 
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Yes, actually I'd love to manage a coding team instead of being the coder lol

It doesn't necessarily require a management role. Business Analyst, Sales Engineer, Technical Marketing, Program Manager (who doesn't actually manage anything, just writes specifications), are all roles where someone only needs to understand the software enough to have a conversation about what it's supposed to do.
 

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listen and learn about David Goggins, he's the guy who will get you out of your loser sh*t talk

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78I9dTB9vqM&t=292s


If you don't know where to start, start with your health and physique. No matter what point in life you are at, you don't feel like a loser by having a 6 pack and being full of energy.

"Embrace the suck"

That's the best gift I've ever received, this guy in the video rocks, thank you.
 

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Hi everyone, I'm new member here.

After reading MJ's book, I've realized many things about my life.

I've been a loser for more than three years.
Basically I've been studying these last years programming, electronics and telecommunications degree (in Europe).

I still need to graduate and get the bachelor but I'm far away from finishing it.
I've just realized how much time I've wasted procrastinating, hanging out with losers and NOT working or studying enough. My parents don't know nothing about this situation. They always helped me and paid for my studies. They think I'm doing good but I'm not. I feel so bad about it.

I'm telling you this here because I've realized I want to change my life, be a real entrepreneur and become a real winner in life (so I can help also my family because they helped me).

I've also realized that the studies I'm doing are not my main focus/goals, the only thing is that if I dropout now it would be really hard to find a job as many employers could ask me why I didn't finish my studies and why I didn't work. I know I want to create my own business but before I need some save up money from a job or an hustle.

I don't want to look like a desperate guy but I know I want to CHANGE my life and stop all the BS I've told myself in the last years of my life. I want to start WINNING and stop losing.

I still feel like my mind worked against me so I couldn't be able to reach any goal yet.

Any advice? Is there anyone here that had the same experience like me in the past?
Start by making better choices. Better choices that better you. Start small. Only you know what choices are good / bad for you. Trust your gut if you’re really unsure.
 
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I got my BS/EE in 89 because my parents told me I should get an engineering degree because I was "good" at science and math. I've been hobbying my own business since '99, and am finally working on turning it into a business these past two years. So it's all a process.

Should you finish the degree?

Well, I would ask "What do you want to be an entrepreneur in?"

If it relates to programming/IT/electronics, then maybe finish the degree while you build up your side business. I've found that when I know the business, it's easier to understand how to outsource.

If there's one thing I've learned, just because I fail doesn't make me a failure (unless I give up).

You got this.

Thank you. I think I'm in the same situation like you were.

I don't have a knack for programming , for some people it comes naturally.

I'd like to work in the internet marketing business, setting up multiple ecommerce stores and so on, however I want to have complete freedom and be able to travel around the world.

I know some people that went full time with their ventures and now they are online entrepreneurs.
 

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Why drop out? You have a long learning curve to be ready to start your business. Finish your studies. Study business on the side and get ready to jump when the time is right.

How can you use your current education to start a business? Sit on the front row in class, and put your shoulder into it. Constantly ask yourself and your profs how you can use all this knowledge to create a good business. Read. Learn. Talk to everyone you meet. Carry a notebook and keep notes on any ideas that may become good ideas. Program your mind to work on it while you're sleeping. There is nothing new under the sun. Genius is taking existing parts and ideas, and reordering them to create something new or different. You'll know when you reach the right moment to get started.

You have an advantage that I never had -- your parents are paying your way, so you're not working on the side. What are you doing with all that free time? Don't tell me that you don't have any spare time.

(When I was your age, I carried 18 units in college and worked 32 hours a week to feed and house myself. Yes, I was very successful in my classes. I was there to learn.)

The information you'll need to create a business is free or cheap. It's all online or in ebooks. It's your choice.
www.wjkbusinessbuzz.com

Thank you for the kind words :)

Yeah I know internet is the best place. I usually study on youtube because unfortunately I have really bad professors and I don't understand them but I usually understand many concepts on youtube.

So even if I don't feel like I've the "gift" to be a computer scientist, I should just keep going and finish my studies?
 

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I'd like to work in the internet marketing business, setting up multiple ecommerce stores and so on

Can you switch to a business degree, or have your existing technical classes count towards a double major? You could take Advanced Algorithms, but if Intermediate Algorithms makes you dizzy and lost, why keep climbing the wrong ladder for you?
 
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Thank you for the kind words :)

Yeah I know internet is the best place. I usually study on youtube because unfortunately I have really bad professors and I don't understand them but I usually understand many concepts on youtube.

So even if I don't feel like I've the "gift" to be a computer scientist, I should just keep going and finish my studies?
I don't use any of my training and education the ways people expected. I own it, and I can use it any way I see fit. So can you.
Lean into your educational opportunity. Make friends with the profs. Ask tons of questions. Find out why you don't understand them. You may discover that they would love to help you. Maybe there's more there than you ever expected.

Oh, in the spirit of full disclosure -- I taught a little bit of college in the good 'ol days...
www.wjkbusinessbuzz.com
 

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I went to University for an accounting degree. I didn't enjoy it and wasn't particularly good at it. All it took was some simple weighing up of the financial cost, my life goals and the time commitment to know that dropping out was the best decision to make.

As you said you have 60% to go. I wonder how much that will actually cost you in $$$? Worth it?

Don't let anyone tell you that a degree is a safe option. It isn't. Even if you do want a developer job, the company won't give a toss about your degree - they only care about whether you can code well, and help them to achieve their business goals. So don't worry about it.

I personally went for a sales job as I knew it was the best "job" for an aspiring entrepreneur, and from your posts I would recommend it to you. Sales jobs are not hard to get but they are hard to keep and be successful in. You'll have the opportunity to make more than the average salary with less than 1 years experience - as long as you put in the work to become great at selling whatever it is you are selling.

Then in the meantime you will get paid, have time after work to pursue entrepreneurship and won't be in debt for thousands of dollars for something you didn't even want to do.

Just my two cents :)
 
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I'd suggest to listen to the audiobook Ask and It Is Given by Esther/Jerry Hicks

It will give you the "inner game" you need to be successful (talks about having faith you can accomplish something and how to have patience, etc)

then...

1. Find a business you'd like to start (youtube channel, growing medicinal herbs, being a DJ, etc)

2. After you find one you "like" (not love because the lust will run out after a month or so)

3. Study/Work on the skills you need to become successful

4. Stick to it until successful
 
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Can you switch to a business degree, or have your existing technical classes count towards a double major? You could take Advanced Algorithms, but if Intermediate Algorithms makes you dizzy and lost, why keep climbing the wrong ladder for you?

Yes thanks, already asked to my college department. But I'd need to start again from zero with a business degree, since I'm at 40% in computer science degree and business degree is quite different..

Also if I make a switch I will need to do everything on my own, I'm pretty sure my parents will not help me neither will not understand my choice of switching but that's ok... better to do something instead of waiting and not do anything.
 

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I don't use any of my training and education the ways people expected. I own it, and I can use it any way I see fit. So can you.
Lean into your educational opportunity. Make friends with the profs. Ask tons of questions. Find out why you don't understand them. You may discover that they would love to help you. Maybe there's more there than you ever expected.

Oh, in the spirit of full disclosure -- I taught a little bit of college in the good 'ol days...
www.wjkbusinessbuzz.com

Thank you.
 

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I went to University for an accounting degree. I didn't enjoy it and wasn't particularly good at it. All it took was some simple weighing up of the financial cost, my life goals and the time commitment to know that dropping out was the best decision to make.

As you said you have 60% to go. I wonder how much that will actually cost you in $$$? Worth it?

Don't let anyone tell you that a degree is a safe option. It isn't. Even if you do want a developer job, the company won't give a toss about your degree - they only care about whether you can code well, and help them to achieve their business goals. So don't worry about it.

I personally went for a sales job as I knew it was the best "job" for an aspiring entrepreneur, and from your posts I would recommend it to you. Sales jobs are not hard to get but they are hard to keep and be successful in. You'll have the opportunity to make more than the average salary with less than 1 years experience - as long as you put in the work to become great at selling whatever it is you are selling.

Then in the meantime you will get paid, have time after work to pursue entrepreneurship and won't be in debt for thousands of dollars for something you didn't even want to do.

Just my two cents :)

Really? Well, I can search for an IT sales engineer job as I've already little knowledge about IT but I'd focus on sales.

Did you dropout then?
 
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I'd suggest to listen to the audiobook Ask and It Is Given by Esther/Jerry Hicks

It will give you the "inner game" you need to be successful (talks about having faith you can accomplish something and how to have patience, etc)

then...

1. Find a business you'd like to start (youtube channel, growing medicinal herbs, being a DJ, etc)

2. After you find one you "like" (not love because the lust will run out after a month or so)

3. Study/Work on the skills you need to become successful

4. Stick to it until successful

Thank you great reply!
 

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Can you switch to a business degree, or have your existing technical classes count towards a double major? You could take Advanced Algorithms, but if Intermediate Algorithms makes you dizzy and lost, why keep climbing the wrong ladder for you?

Mr Bloomer, last day I literally had the best focus I've ever had in my life. I staid up all night studying on the internet everything about cyber security and the hacker mindset.
A new world opened my mind, it's incredible. I see that in order to get very good at cyber security you must be great at coding and algorithms.. that's only the problem lol

However, in terms of career or entrepreneurial ventures, I'd like to sell cyber security solutions/systems to companies instead of being the IT guy.

A quick Google search told me that both Sales engineer and cyber security specialist make good money in their starter career so I'm pretty sure it would be a great deal If I want to open a company in the future in this industry.

I also found that the bilionaire Mark Cuban in an interview said that cyber security and artificial intelligence will be great industries for entrepreneurs.

I'm really excited of all the opportunities available in the world. Being rich means also starting to think like a rich man in your mind.

Also if I remember mr Bloomer you wrote about IT marketing and techical writing. I've also found that techical copywriters can make more than engineers, that's interesting.

I want to shift my focus on creating so much value for the world so I can live well and earn good money to help my family and the world to become a better place.
 

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Alexx, your new direction sounds really great!! Way to go!

I literally had the best focus I've ever had in my life. I staid up all night studying on the internet everything about cyber security and the hacker mindset.
A new world opened my mind, it's incredible. I see that in order to get very good at cyber security you must be great at coding and algorithms.. that's only the problem lol

However, in terms of career or entrepreneurial ventures, I'd like to sell cyber security solutions/systems to companies instead of being the IT guy.

This sounds ideal for you!
In this new role, you can at last be honest about your strengths and weaknesses. "If the algorithms make you dizzy, they do that to me too... I switched from learning code to learning sales, so that I could help clients understand how our product applies the best algorithms to keep their businesses safe..."

A quick Google search told me that both Sales engineer and cyber security specialist make good money in their starter career so I'm pretty sure it would be a great deal If I want to open a company in the future in this industry.

I also found that the bilionaire Mark Cuban in an interview said that cyber security and artificial intelligence will be great industries for entrepreneurs.

I totally agree with all that. I think cyber security will be important for many more years. If it ever becomes a completely solved problem, by then you'll be great at technical sales and can switch to selling AI or whatever is next. But cyber security might be a huge area for the rest of my lifetime and yours.

Mark Cuban has also talked about how he took home the manuals on the technical stuff to sell, and practiced and learned at home so he would be better able to communicate about the products. He also found his excitement kept him up and focused all night. So there is an awesome choice of inspiration and role model for you!

I've also found that techical copywriters can make more than engineers, that's interesting.

In both careers there are a lot of people making an average salary, and a few people who are real stars of the field, able to do top quality work and to sell at top prices.

I want to shift my focus on creating so much value for the world so I can live well and earn good money to help my family and the world to become a better place.

That is so positive!

Now that you have a direction, you can make better choices about college.

You could continue with software and maybe get a mediocre technical degree.
You could switch to business and probably get a lot of value out of business classes. Your parents might be able to appreciate your new direction now, if you let them know you're still excited about software but you realized you want to be involved in selling it more than with coding it.
You could start a business while staying in school.
You could start a business outside of school.

Hopefully it will soon be clear to you which lane changes get you to your destination that much faster.
What is your best way to become a good, profitable software-seller soon? So that you can pay for your own college if you want, or pay for whatever else you want to make happen?
 
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Alexx, your new direction sounds really great!! Way to go!



This sounds ideal for you!
In this new role, you can at last be honest about your strengths and weaknesses. "If the algorithms make you dizzy, they do that to me too... I switched from learning code to learning sales, so that I could help clients understand how our product applies the best algorithms to keep their businesses safe..."



I totally agree with all that. I think cyber security will be important for many more years. If it ever becomes a completely solved problem, by then you'll be great at technical sales and can switch to selling AI or whatever is next. But cyber security might be a huge area for the rest of my lifetime and yours.

Mark Cuban has also talked about how he took home the manuals on the technical stuff to sell, and practiced and learned at home so he would be better able to communicate about the products. He also found his excitement kept him up and focused all night. So there is an awesome choice of inspiration and role model for you!



In both careers there are a lot of people making an average salary, and a few people who are real stars of the field, able to do top quality work and to sell at top prices.



That is so positive!

Now that you have a direction, you can make better choices about college.

You could continue with software and maybe get a mediocre technical degree.
You could switch to business and probably get a lot of value out of business classes. Your parents might be able to appreciate your new direction now, if you let them know you're still excited about software but you realized you want to be involved in selling it more than with coding it.
You could start a business while staying in school.
You could start a business outside of school.

Hopefully it will soon be clear to you which lane changes get you to your destination that much faster.
What is your best way to become a good, profitable software-seller soon? So that you can pay for your own college if you want, or pay for whatever else you want to make happen?

Thank you Mr . Bloomer, I appreciate your words.

Absolutely, I feel more confident now, I know that algorithms isn't really my think but I already see a version of me in the future (the vision) who is already selling AI robots or cyber security solutions to companies while learning and then having my own company :)

I think it's getting all more clear about what I want to do in the future.

The real decision now is I think I should let know to my parents about my strenghts and make a decision, I could also finish and get a mediocre IT degree and then while working I can another one in business but it would take long time or just switch to business and start learning sales by selling software.
 

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The real decision now is I think I should let know to my parents about my strenghts and make a decision

Now that you have this clarity and focus, they might be able to give some good advice!
 

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Now that you have this clarity and focus, they might be able to give some good advice!

Thanks, good advice but what if they will not support my decision anymore? I think in the worst case scenario I will hustle and do what I feel is good for me..
 
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Thanks, good advice but what if they will not support my decision anymore? I think in the worst case scenario I will hustle and do what I feel is good for me..

It seems that you're still looking for outside validation and approval of whatever you might decide. People on the forum can provide advice and perspectives, but each opinion is just one person's point of view. It might be worth building your life around, it might worth throwing away. Either way it's up to you to consider, choose, commit, and own that decision, aware of the potential outcomes.

I just noticed that your account doesn't have the flags for reading MJ's books. Might as well get to that soon! He has some of the best discussion I've ever seen about thinking about consequences.
 

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It seems that you're still looking for outside validation and approval of whatever you might decide. People on the forum can provide advice and perspectives, but each opinion is just one person's point of view. It might be worth building your life around, it might worth throwing away. Either way it's up to you to consider, choose, commit, and own that decision, aware of the potential outcomes.

I just noticed that your account doesn't have the flags for reading MJ's books. Might as well get to that soon! He has some of the best discussion I've ever seen about thinking about consequences.

Thanks mr. Bloomer! Where could I find this information thinking about consequences?

I'm only worried if I lose everything, I mean I've already "wasted" some years into doing a college I don't really like and leaving would leave me with no income and no job (for now). Or like you said I can switch degree or finish it, I know it's only my decision.
 
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Where could I find this information thinking about consequences?

That's something MJ discusses in his books. I haven't done a forum search here, but you could also try "decision making" or "consequences" etc. to see if someone here has good discussions of that topic.
 

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That's something MJ discusses in his books. I haven't done a forum search here, but you could also try "decision making" or "consequences" etc. to see if someone here has good discussions of that topic.

Hi mr. Bloomer, I've asked to my college department to switch from computer science engineering to business but unfortunately they told me that it's not possible and I should start again the business degree from the first year... it's not really a good deal, it would take me more years :(

I think best way is to finish current degree (even if it's "mediocre" degree for me) then start working and while working and saving up money get another degree in business.
 

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Here is another story for you.

Imagine a guy growing up majority as a loner in the suburbs. Getting shot at age 21. (thankfully living!) then Striking it rich in his 20's in the weed industry. Then blowing up my house and my self in the hospital for a month, Loosing everything and going to prison, and

now coming out at age 30 with no transferable skills or money. But with the drive and work ethic to try and do something
 
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you got this dude finish school if your almost done, and go out there and take risks ( calculated risks of course)
 

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I think best way is to finish current degree (even if it's "mediocre" degree for me) then start working and while working and saving up money get another degree in business.

Hopefully by the time you graduate, you'll have made some progress towards your new technology sales goals... so the degree won't matter that much, except that you completed it. I would recommend not immediately going for another degree. After you've been in the workforce maybe five years or so, then look at whether an MBA would be relevant... or if by that time, you don't need anything more from the university to get where you want to go in life.
 

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