The Ukraine War, implications, outcome?

[Kevin88660]

It’s not just the people who have direct experience with it, it’s also those who were their children, most of whom are parents today. They’ve heard stories about the Nazi invasion and they’ve had it drummed into them - in schools, through their parents and grandparents and so on.

With regards to the second part. If Putin’s narrative is addressed at the West, then it makes little sense, because the West isn’t buying the idea that a country led by a Jewish President is a Nazi country. Also, Nazis aren’t as hated as you’d expect in the West. There are neo Nazis in many European countries, including Austria where a few years ago they almost won the Parliamentary elections.


Sure, but the West doesn’t buy the neo-nazi narrative.


For sure, but even the European localists like Viktor Orban in Hungary oppose Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, and Viktor Orban is a natural ally and supporter.

What about Putin’s long time friend and ally, Czech President Milos Zeman who just turned against him and condemned Putin on the day of the invasion?

Putin’s friends within the EU are virtually nonexistent now. What you’re saying is a theory, but there are no supporting facts on the ground for it.

Trump, if he was in office, would have tried to profit from the situation, because he’d feel Europe was weak and would do anything to pay him back. So he would have threatened to leave them to Putin, to get some good deals going, and then been more aggressive than Biden was imo towards Putin.

Those anti-immigrant, anti-Islam parties in Europe that has any major influence and voter base, so called “far right” parties are not going to label themselves nazi. In fact it is what their opponents label them as and they actively deny. It is basic knowledge that you associate yourself with nazism that’s political suicide in the west.

We will see if Putin can dig out more evidence to back his claim, about neo-nazi infiltration in Ukraine government and bioweapon research in lab.

The war just really just started and the impact is just starting showing. It is too early to tell that the West is willing to pay a price to stand against Kremlin. If high energy price is unbearable, millions of Ukrainian refugee getting into the border is unsustainable fiscally for the host country, they are going to find some ways to accept partially the Kremlin narrative to cool things. Afterall whether Ukraine really had Nazi or biolab is not a top priority of people watching it on the sideline from other country, but it is an excellent opportunity for the domestic political party not in power to attack the ruling party for mishandling cost of living and refugee crisis.

 

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[Cyberthal]

We will see if Putin can dig out more evidence to back his claim, about neo-nazi infiltration in Ukraine government

Neo? They're just Nazis. National Socialists. It's the military more than the government.

All races have nationalists and socialists. The white ones are called Nazis. Actual Nazis conquered Ukraine, so these are real Nazis, like the ones in Argentina.

If the existence of Nazis in Ukraine is now disputed, it's a new thing. What else would they be willing to fight about, besides whites vs Asians? It's not like Ukraine has existed for long. They're not fighting for gay rights like Reddit.

The Current Thing is not consistent. Imagine applying COVID19 pandemic protocols to AIDS, which could easily eliminate it. No money in curing diseases. Democrats got paid for Ukraine, ergo Azov is heroic.

Ukraine's Nazis: Who are they, why are they so influential — and why have media ignored them?

A recent festival in Kiev proudly displayed Nazi symbols and even advertised ‘White Pride’ – yet received almost no attention from Western media, who still steadfastly pretend there are no Nazis in Ukraine, neo- or otherwise.

www.rt.com

Ok, I guess the MSM silence is longstanding. Not everyone knows that Weev went to Ukraine after jail. CIA Nazis are allowed, apparently. Like Paperclip Nazis.

 

[Napoolion]

As Putin explained to the flight attendants on TV, it was either stop Ukraine's NATO drive now, or fight nuclear WW3 when Ukraine expanded its war on ethnic Russians with US backing.

Not everyone can grasp this. Russian flight attendants are an elite bunch.

Indeed, not everyone can read the New York Times, which just admitted the Hunter Biden laptop is real. Why? Because now Putin has all the Ukrainian gestapo's blackmail files on Biden. Time to get out in front of that.

Biden, in turn, has pledged WW3 in his speech. If he burns, everyone burns.

Well, I think it's fitting. Boomers know they'll be hated either way, so they might as well go out with a bang.

I don't know how fetching coffee in air makes someone elite and smart, but okay. All of the excuses are so far fetched though, that it feels like Russia is still trying to find excuse to justify the invasion. Nazis... Chemical weapons... U.S needs Ukraine to nuke the Russia, protecting Russians rights in Ukraine, NATO wants to start nuclear war using Ukraine (because fk everything on this planet). No nation will go to war to eliminate a small extremist paramillitary group.
Let's go for the classic, Donbas has a lot of untapped natural resources. Of course profits of that would be mostly seen by oligarchs and Putin himself, but heyo soldierinos, you can loot what you want, we will allow it.

 

[Dan_Cardone]

A few questions from me:

1) Just last year wasn’t the western media accusing both Ukraine and Zelenskyy of being increasingly corrupt?

I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure I seen article from mainstream media sources covering such matters. Fact check me.

2) Wasn’t Zelenskyy shelling the separatist regions for many months prior to the Russian invasion?

Again, I feel like this was a thing but I could be wrong. Fact check this as well.

3) Didn’t the separatist regions vote to essentially become Russian?

Again, I feel like I remember hearing this.

4) Wasn’t there accusations of Putin manipulating that vote to ensure those regions voted the way Putin wanted?

Pretty sure the USA and NATO accused Putin of controlling those votes.

5) Didn’t Russia accuse the USA of essentially performing a “coup” in 2014 and removing the pro-Russian democratically elected official in Ukriane?

Pretty sure this was a story back in 2014.

6) Doesn’t the USA have a admitted history of performing coups around the world I order to install pro USA leaders?

Pretty sure this is true but maybe not?

A few observations:

1) Seems to me that Ukriane to getting screwed by both Western and Russian forces as both just consider it a pawn.

2) Both Western + Ukrainian and Russian sides use propaganda. Seems likely that if you fully believe either story from either side you are likely not seeing things as they really are.

3) 50 intelligence professions signed a statement saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was nothing more than Russian disinformation. Now the media elites are admitting that the laptop is real. This leads me to believe that either those intelligence professionals are either liars or incompetent. With that in mind, how am I able to trust western intelligence agencies to get anything right or to be honest about anything?

4) Russia is also prolific at lying and spreading disinformation. How can I believe anything from them.

5) People have a tendency to take very complex issues and dumb them down so that they can feel like they understand it. Seems like this conflict is a massively complex issues filled with “3D chess” and behind the senses political maneuvering.

6) Real truthful data seems to be impossible to come by for “normal” people like me (and 99.9% of the population) and I can neither read the minds of the elites, spy on their conversations, or sift though the mountain of propaganda, lies, and misinformation.

7) When you combine points 5 and 6 it would therefore seem silly to try and pretend that I have any idea what’s really going on or why its really happening. I could make guesses using what I know but how accurate would those guesses be? Likely not very accurate.

8) Seems like history is continually repeating. Those in power continue to fight for whatever reasons they have and everyone else is left to suffer for it.

 

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[Cyberthal]

The "everything's propaganda" trope is tired. Sure, if you can't sift, then discount your conclusion. But in asymmetrical conflicts, one side often can only get a hearing by telling the truth scrupulously. Putin's comms to the West currently fall into that category. Truth vs Power is a conflict repeated often.

The Chinese try to play the same game, but have trouble telling the truth, period. The Russians are much better at it, since they understand the West.

Al Jazeera has also employed the same strategy, although I don't pay enough attention to evaluate their performance.

It's not always a pre-WW1 situation where all national presses are jingoistic lies. That's like saying any fight is always a mutual combat.

 

[Napoolion]

A few questions from me:

1) Just last year wasn’t the western media accusing both Ukraine and Zelenskyy of being increasingly corrupt?

I don't know about that one, I personally never heard about it.

Wasn’t Zelenskyy shelling the separatist regions for many months prior to the Russian invasion?

War has been going on from 2014 and it has never stopped to be fair. It started where "unidentified green men (Russian soldiers without tags" annexed Crimea and at the same time pro russian and funded sepratists took control of east Ukraine and declared new People's republics in Dontesk and Luhansk. "By the end of 2017, the OSCE observatory mission had counted around 30,000 individuals in military gear crossing from Russia to Donbas at the two border checkpoints it was allowed to monitor" War in Donbas - Wikipedia So Russian backed covert war has been going on for a while. It is just recently that Russia launched a full scale invasion. So any of the shelling between both sides goes back way to 2014.

Didn’t the separatist regions vote to essentially become Russian?

During second world war when Poland at the time was getting wrecked, Russia wanted military bases in Baltics to counter the Nazi German threat. Baltics allowed the military bases and troops in thousands, more than their army was capable. Soviets organized a big crowd (mostly Russian sailors) wanting to install a pro soviet government and join the big soviet union. What I am saying, it can all be organized if you need to take a part over of another country.
In that equation, Eastern Europe is in trouble too with their Russian minority which were imported in during Russian occupation of these lands (though they can clearly see that life is better in EU, luxury what Ukraine did not have) which can easily be influenced with their tv channels and sending in your pro-Russian people to help with the coup. Especially if country borders with Russia, you can move your troops in unidentified and say that they are pro whatever separatists (People's republic). All of this is supported by big info ops campaign, which tried to change everyone's opinion of it all and if people are very far from what's happening, it can work quite successfully. Welcome to the hybrid war.

Wasn’t there accusations of Putin manipulating that vote to ensure those regions voted the way Putin wanted?

Talked a little about it on the top. In communism or dictatorships, it does not matter how people vote, it matters who counts the votes. "It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Some told it was said by Stalin, but I can't find the source, but it sums up the point pretty well nevertheless. There was voting in Soviet times too by the way, it was to make people feel like they were in control of that, but of course party decided whatever votes have to be.

Didn’t Russia accuse the USA of essentially performing a “coup” in 2014 and removing the pro-Russian democratically elected official in Ukriane?

I don't know what was going in the background, but if you see the coup in Youtube and etc, you can see tons of crowds fighting with big crowds, no equipment and willing to die for it. Mostly they are just sick of corruption, wanting to take europe's course. It is obviously bad for Russia, since it had huge influence in the country, but Ukrainans were sick of it.

View: https://youtu.be/V7e6B64Iqqg?t=871

If that is true that USA pulled a coup in 2014, I am not sure how USA pulled that off getting those big crowds of people together, seeing how much their gov has failed in Afghanistan, Iraq and etc. It is highly unlikely, but we can see that in Ukraine, Russia is telling that them not doing that well in Ukraine again is the fault of USA.... So judge yourself.

1) Seems to me that Ukriane to getting screwed by both Western and Russian forces as both just consider it a pawn.

Yep and finally Ukraine is strong enough to look for it's own interests, not wanting to be in Russia. And not even caring too much about joining Nato if that would stop the war. Nato is just a nice to have feature if you have Russia by your side with imperial ambitions.

2) Both Western + Ukrainian and Russian sides use propaganda. Seems likely that if you fully believe either story from either side you are likely not seeing things as they really are.

3) 50 intelligence professions signed a statement saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was nothing more than Russian disinformation. Now the media elites are admitting that the laptop is real. This leads me to believe that either those intelligence professionals are either liars or incompetent. With that in mind, how am I able to trust western intelligence agencies to get anything right or to be honest about anything?

2) It's true, both sides use it but Ukraine has way much more true info in it, mostly getting photo proof the next day in a lot of cases and I just can't see them using paid actors to be fair (Which Russia side does).
Russia propaganda is kinda pathetic. "it is not actually a war yet", "the war is fake". Ukraine invasion: False claims the war is a hoax go viral
The Russians are using paid actors, sometimes same ones the multiple times (they have been doing this for a while): https://vilniusinstitute.lt/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/9-Same-Actors-1.pdf
Wiki has quite a lot more info if you wish to look about information war part: Russian information war against Ukraine - Wikipedia

5) People have a tendency to take very complex issues and dumb them down so that they can feel like they understand it. Seems like this conflict is a massively complex issues filled with “3D chess” and behind the senses political maneuvering.

6) Real truthful data seems to be impossible to come by for “normal” people like me (and 99.9% of the population) and I can neither read the minds of the elites, spy on their conversations, or sift though the mountain of propaganda, lies, and misinformation.

7) When you combine points 5 and 6 it would therefore seem silly to try and pretend that I have any idea what’s really going on or why its really happening. I could make guesses using what I know but how accurate would those guesses be? Likely not very accurate.

8) Seems like history is continually repeating. Those in power continue to fight for whatever reasons they have and everyone else is left to suffer for it.

Yeah, there is a lot of stuff we don't see under the iceberg. We can see a lot in the history though, since a lot of fact hiders just die after a while and the info secrets will be outdated and thus don't need to be protected anymore. If you study history long enough, you start to see kind of patterns which are frequently used again. For example, Hitler did also need to "protect" the minority of Germans in Czechoslovakia for example. Then when you see the same thing happening today, you can go, aaaah, I know that one.

 

[Black_Dragon43]

1) Just last year wasn’t the western media accusing both Ukraine and Zelenskyy of being increasingly corrupt?

I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure I seen article from mainstream media sources covering such matters. Fact check me.

This is not surprising. Once again, Zelensky is NOT "the man of the West". Zelensky is a Ukrainian populist/nationalist. Petro Poroshenko (who ruled since 2014 to the election of Zelensky in 2019) is much more "the man of the West". He fought and lost against Zelensky. Zelensky is a populist/nationalist awakening of Ukraine, he's neither pro-West, nor pro-Russian but rather seeks to use both sides against each other so that Ukraine gets the security guarantees it wants - similar to Fidel Castro in Cuba.

5) Didn’t Russia accuse the USA of essentially performing a “coup” in 2014 and removing the pro-Russian democratically elected official in Ukriane?

Yes, that's true.

6) Doesn’t the USA have a admitted history of performing coups around the world I order to install pro USA leaders?

Not really. The US has a history of backing political regimes financially who support their goals. If those political regimes use the finances to perform a coup, sure, that happens.

1) Seems to me that Ukriane to getting screwed by both Western and Russian forces as both just consider it a pawn.

Every side is trying to use the others, and that includes the Ukrainians. Of course - that's what politics is. There are no "pawns" here. Ukraine is not a "pawn" - it is following its own interest quite freely, at least ever since Zelensky got elected.

3) 50 intelligence professions signed a statement saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was nothing more than Russian disinformation. Now the media elites are admitting that the laptop is real. This leads me to believe that either those intelligence professionals are either liars or incompetent. With that in mind, how am I able to trust western intelligence agencies to get anything right or to be honest about anything?

If someone lies once, it doesn't mean that you should never trust them. That's too wide of a generalization. Rather you should identify why they lied, ie the motivation, and keep that motivation in mind when you judge their future truth claims, including how it may affect what they say.

Of course they lied. They lied to support their own. In my opinion, the US is quickly moving towards a one-party state system with the Democrats taking over the narrative of large urban areas of the country, leaving much smaller, rural areas to Republicans. By the looks of it Democrats are fully in control of the state apparatus, even when they lost the House/Presidency...

6) Real truthful data seems to be impossible to come by for “normal” people like me (and 99.9% of the population) and I can neither read the minds of the elites, spy on their conversations, or sift though the mountain of propaganda, lies, and misinformation.

You can figure out the intentions of someone based on their lies. And you can take those intentions into consideration given their claims, and try to sift through what's fact and what's propaganda. You can never do it 100% accurately, but you're not all in the dark either.

 

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[Dan_Cardone]

Not really. The US has a history of backing political regimes financially who support their goals. If those political regimes use the finances to perform a coup, sure, that happens.

Respectfully, if you want to take a deeper dive into this, start at looking at declassified CIA documents and some interviewed done with former spooks. The US certainly does not shy away from overthrowing governments when they can and when they stand to benefit from it.

Every side is trying to use the others, and that includes the Ukrainians. Of course - that's what politics is. There are no "pawns" here. Ukraine is not a "pawn" - it is following its own interest quite freely, at least ever since Zelensky got elected.

The speed and amount of news lately is so much that it’s nearly impossible to keep track of it all since I have other priorities but I seem to recall the west holding nato and EU membership over Ukraine, dangling it in front of them but not delivering. Also, wasn’t it an agreement between USA and Ukraine that if they got rid of their nukes we would protect them from Russian aggression? I’m not suggesting we should intervene into this conflict one way or another, just an observation. Maybe “pawn” isn’t the best description but I don’t think it’s completely out of line either.

If someone lies once, it doesn't mean that you should never trust them. That's too wide of a generalization. Rather you should identify why they lied, ie the motivation, and keep that motivation in mind when you judge their future truth claims, including how it may affect what they say.

Of course they lied. They lied to support their own. In my opinion, the US is quickly moving towards a one-party state system with the Democrats taking over the narrative of large urban areas of the country, leaving much smaller, rural areas to Republicans. By the looks of it Democrats are fully in control of the state apparatus, even when they lost the House/Presidency...

Pretty big lie and also extremely impactful. If someone lies of such magnitude it may not mean they will lie to me again but it does men they are going to have to back up further claims with a ton of evidence and proof. In other words, they may not lie to me again but I have no reason to believe them as my default response. Plus, people who would make such a lie of such magnitude, im not sure such people should ever be trusted.

All that said, one of my mental frameworks is this: If you want to predict a persons behavior, or to explain current or past behavior, assume they are acting with their own best interest in mind.

Not always accurate or true but it’s a decently reliable starting point.

I think it’s reasonable to believe that the same people who lied about Hunter Biden, would likely lie to me about geopolitical conflicts as well as these same people (or at least their same organizations such as the CIA) are involved in these conflicts and often have some angle in play. How can I trust them? I don’t.

You can figure out the intentions of someone based on their lies. And you can take those intentions into consideration given their claims, and try to sift through what's fact and what's propaganda. You can never do it 100% accurately, but you're not all in the dark either.

 

[aabawe]

Hello everyone, I'm new here. I'm a female Maths sixth form teacher living in the UK, London. I am also an amazon seller and a private tutor. I have lost count of the number of times I have changed careers and the number of times I have tried to start a business. We are told to give a proper introduction when we join, however, it doesn't say where to do this. So I guess since my question will be relevant to this post, I guess I will do it here. I am a former refugee from Afghanistan. Moved to the UK 22 years ago and started in year 7 having missed 5 years of education and not knowing a word of English. I caught up with my peers and managed to be successful academically. As you would have thought we had no family or connections here and so all I knew is finish education get a job and get married. Ticked off the last two, but have become anti marriage for the third part haha. Since finishing university I have tried to start my own business a few of times, however, I had zero knowledge and no one to look up to for advice. I was never into books (too distracted with my social life) until I reached my 30s and now I wish I started reading books as soon as I learnt how to. MJs books opened up my eyes as to why my starts ups never worked and I now have other ideas. Although I have always wanted to be an entrepreneur, the anti marriage part (I know, I have issues haha) has now become my "why". I want to be independent, I want to benefit the world with the power of money, I want to be the example that marriage is not the be all and end all and is not the purpose of a woman's life. I don't want to be old and alone, I want to be old and successful, still working and changing the world. My question is, is anyone else feeling a sort of paralysis in terms of business decisions because of what's going on in the world and anticipating a possible world war? Any thoughts?

 

[Kevin88660]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ysk-qXpznQ

 

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[Napoolion]

Hello everyone, I'm new here. I'm a female Maths sixth form teacher living in the UK, London. I am also an amazon seller and a private tutor. I have lost count of the number of times I have changed careers and the number of times I have tried to start a business. We are told to give a proper introduction when we join, however, it doesn't say where to do this. So I guess since my question will be relevant to this post, I guess I will do it here. I am a former refugee from Afghanistan. Moved to the UK 22 years ago and started in year 7 having missed 5 years of education and not knowing a word of English. I caught up with my peers and managed to be successful academically. As you would have thought we had no family or connections here and so all I knew is finish education get a job and get married. Ticked off the last two, but have become anti marriage for the third part haha. Since finishing university I have tried to start my own business a few of times, however, I had zero knowledge and no one to look up to for advice. I was never into books (too distracted with my social life) until I reached my 30s and now I wish I started reading books as soon as I learnt how to. MJs books opened up my eyes as to why my starts ups never worked and I now have other ideas. Although I have always wanted to be an entrepreneur, the anti marriage part (I know, I have issues haha) has now become my "why". I want to be independent, I want to benefit the world with the power of money, I want to be the example that marriage is not the be all and end all and is not the purpose of a woman's life. I don't want to be old and alone, I want to be old and successful, still working and changing the world. My question is, is anyone else feeling a sort of paralysis in terms of business decisions because of what's going on in the world and anticipating a possible world war? Any thoughts?

If u live in UK, you don't need to worry about war at all, since conventional war is very unlikely to reach there. If nuclear would start which is very very very unlikely, then we all don't need to worry about anything either

Russia headed to strategic defeat in Ukraine

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeacXBxPARQ

 

[Cyberthal]

Some argue that the Russian blitzkrieg has failed due to manpads and drones:

Russia halted in the Ukraine. « Jim's Blog

blog.reaction.la

That assumes blitzkrieg was the objective in the first place. The USA assumes the Iraq invasion is the model of a successful war, learning nothing from the subsequent disintegration of the country. Russians have a vastly more intelligent model of warfare, because they must live next door to the results:

An Alternative Application - Vox Popoli

Didact’s Mind explains how the failure to translate and understand Clausewitz makes it difficult for US strategists and analysts to make sense of Russia’s approach to making war: The fundamental difference between the American and Russian ways of fighting probably comes down to understanding one...

voxday.net

Into this cauldron, the US media sends its lies and the US military-industrial complex sends its supplies. Russia blew up both with the debut of its hypersonic missile Mr. Khinzhal. Timing is everything:

The Significance - Vox Popoli

A lot of the misinformation – as opposed to intentional disinformation – being broadcast across the West can be more correctly interpreted and understood if you consider some of the implications of the statements being released by the Russian Defence Ministry. ▫️ The Armed Forces of the Russian...

voxday.net

Russia wants to negotiate with Ukraine to achieve its security objectives. It has always wanted that. Now it is achieving its goal. The Ukrainian people are experiencing the consequences of their choices, and this is changing hearts and minds. No reason to hurry the process; Slavs can be stubborn. Mr. Zelensky has plenty of comedic material left!

Meanwhile, Putin consolidates his grip on Russia, purging his enemies and decoupling with a hostile and insane West. Planefuls of oligarchs flee to Israel while Putin tells them good riddance. Please, Brer Fox, anything but that briar patch.

There are two bright spot in the West's performance to date:

1. The US Left-Middle has intimidated China into not invading Taiwan thus far, out of fear of insane and overwhelming sanctions. To win at at a game of chicken, drink a bottle of vodka and rip off the steering wheel.

2. The US Right has so far helped to disarm the Ukraine CIA dirty bomb without any terrorist WMD attacks by Azov, ISIS or Democrats. It is better to be lucky than good.

Azov makes its last stand in the Mariupol steel mill, like the Russians at Stalingrad. Let's have a moment of silence for all the Nazis finding their way into mass graves. They're probably still mad about the Holodomor. Tough to understand from a pampered American perspective, but don't worry, our continent is due for a repeat of the Civil War soon enough. Immigration equals war, usually when everyone's forgotten the last one.

Stalingrad : Battle Outside The Factory (HQ)

View: https://youtu.be/BqHzs4PtqIE

 

[Xeon]

The US funded the Wuhan lab and the same in Ukraine. Why? The answer is carved in stone.

The lab was in Wuhan, but didn't knew it was funded by the US!
I did some google, and found articles like this: Letter confirms Wuhan lab’s C0VlD-19 leak was funded by US taxpayers

This is truly shocking!

 

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[Kevin88660]

Some argue that the Russian blitzkrieg has failed due to manpads and drones:

Russia halted in the Ukraine. « Jim's Blog

blog.reaction.la

That assumes blitzkrieg was the objective in the first place. The USA assumes the Iraq invasion is the model of a successful war, learning nothing from the subsequent disintegration of the country. Russians have a vastly more intelligent model of warfare, because they must live next door to the results:

An Alternative Application - Vox Popoli

Didact’s Mind explains how the failure to translate and understand Clausewitz makes it difficult for US strategists and analysts to make sense of Russia’s approach to making war: The fundamental difference between the American and Russian ways of fighting probably comes down to understanding one...

voxday.net

Into this cauldron, the US media sends its lies and the US military-industrial complex sends its supplies. Russia blew up both with the debut of its hypersonic missile Mr. Khinzhal. Timing is everything:

The Significance - Vox Popoli

A lot of the misinformation – as opposed to intentional disinformation – being broadcast across the West can be more correctly interpreted and understood if you consider some of the implications of the statements being released by the Russian Defence Ministry. ▫️ The Armed Forces of the Russian...

voxday.net

Russia wants to negotiate with Ukraine to achieve its security objectives. It has always wanted that. Now it is achieving its goal. The Ukrainian people are experiencing the consequences of their choices, and this is changing hearts and minds. No reason to hurry the process; Slavs can be stubborn. Mr. Zelensky has plenty of comedic material left!

Meanwhile, Putin consolidates his grip on Russia, purging his enemies and decoupling with a hostile and insane West. Planefuls of oligarchs flee to Israel while Putin tells them good riddance. Please, Brer Fox, anything but that briar patch.

There are two bright spot in the West's performance to date:

1. The US Left-Middle has intimidated China into not invading Taiwan thus far, out of fear of insane and overwhelming sanctions. To win at at a game of chicken, drink a bottle of vodka and rip off the steering wheel.

2. The US Right has so far helped to disarm the Ukraine CIA dirty bomb without any terrorist WMD attacks by Azov, ISIS or Democrats. It is better to be lucky than good.

Azov makes its last stand in the Mariupol steel mill, like the Russians at Stalingrad. Let's have a moment of silence for all the Nazis finding their way into mass graves. They're probably still mad about the Holodomor. Tough to understand from a pampered American perspective, but don't worry, our continent is due for a repeat of the Civil War soon enough. Immigration equals war, usually when everyone's forgotten the last one.

Stalingrad : Battle Outside The Factory (HQ)

View: https://youtu.be/BqHzs4PtqIE

We don't really know whether Russia is going well with their plan, because they have been quite secretive about their true intention.

That is what I suspect, the official narrative of demilitarizing Ukraine and holding the separated provinces independent is only part of the goal.

"Demilitarizing" and "Staying neutral" are really bad objectives to begin with because they are very vague. And it does not seem to accomplish anything substantial over the long run because a few years later, Ukraine can renegade on their promise so long they are not militarily occupied. And these are the foreign policies that you cannot put into a constitution of a country.

I suspect Ukraine is just the beginning of a planned long term conflict with U.S. and west By Kremlin. Over the years Putin has largely been trying to balance between the hawkish faction made up by military and intelligence community versus the more Western friendly faction such as Medvedev. So I think this Ukraine war means that Putin has decisively leaned towards the hardliners.

Russia will exert her political and security influence in Europe by using gas supply as a threat (threat of cutting it off). Russia will compete with U.S. in middle east for security and financial influence. The oil rich ME countries are always seeking a strong external protection and if U.S. is seen as weak (not willing to take military confrontation risk), there is no need to buy U.S. debt and can even begin to sell oil in Ruble. These things used to be covert. Now Russia can do it openly since she is prepared to have show down with the entire west. Anti-Americanism and Anti-Nato will be an official policy now.

There is an argument that Russia does not have the money and resource to fight pro-longed battles and sanctions. On the surface it is true. But there are several other factors.

1) A lot of countries did not sanction Russia and there could be loopholes around it
2) Gas supply and Nuclear weapon are threats that Russia could use to win concession without firing a shot
3) Russian revenue thrives in chao. Just like Big pharma thrives in diseases and obesity. The chaos and increased tension drive up commodity and gold prices (which Russia own a lot).

It is largely depends on if the revenue and financial resources she gains from confrontation can cover up her cost. If Middles east sell oil in ruble and this gives ruble more international recognition for instance, Russia could issue Ruble based debt in international market instead of borrowing in foreign currencies which she has little control (because she cannot print them).

 

[Andreas Thiel]

If u live in UK, you don't need to worry about war at all, since conventional war is very unlikely to reach there. If nuclear would start which is very very very unlikely, then we all don't need to worry about anything either

Russia headed to strategic defeat in Ukraine

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeacXBxPARQ

I wouldn't be so sure that nuclear is as unlikely as most people think.

Saw a video about how strategist on both sides think about a "limited nuclear war".

The pressure on NATO to do something keeps rising. If NATO actually does something that Russia can resonably call a declaration of war, I fear that a coordinated shock and awe strike against many strategic targets is not that unlikely.

 

[Cyberthal]

This is truly shocking!

People don't generally carve that they want to kill 95% of the world's population into stone monoliths in multiple languages atop ley lines as a drunken practical joke.

https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/C0VlD-19-a-biological-weapon-targeting-ethnicity-and-body-systems

The folks who built the pyramids took the long view.

> A pyramid is a geometrical solid with a square base and four equilateral triangular sides, the most structurally stable shape for projects involving large amounts of stone or masonry.

Coincidence and superstition, surely. What good is all that megalithic astronomy, anyway? Well, when you need to make a gold payment every 3,600 years, it's important to keep a calendar. Looking around at the state of this dump, I doubt the landlord will be letting the tenant keep his deposit.

 

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[Dan the Man]

The lab was in Wuhan, but didn't knew it was funded by the US!
I did some google, and found articles like this: Letter confirms Wuhan lab’s C0VlD-19 leak was funded by US taxpayers

This is truly shocking!

Xeon, you're a little late to this party. Small recap. Some years ago, between 2014 and 2018, the US government made a decree that there would be no more "gain of function" (look it up) research conducted in the United States, because it was not only unethical but dangerous. Thus, the "powers at be" decided to do the next best thing: Take the money for research, at their disposal, and fund Virology labs in different parts of the world (of which there are a shocking number of) and quietly continue their research there. In 2019, we now understand that the Wuhan lab, unfortunately, had a very shoddy track record for protocol and something they were experimenting with "got out." Oops.

Accidently or deliberately, we still don't know. The Wuhan lab researchers are obeying the CCCP government and not sharing much these days. The CCCP tried to say that the virus came from a nearby wet market, then that US military trainees brought it in to Wuhan deliberately. They they refused to speculate where it came from and would allow no research on the topic. Huh? Oh, sorry, right, CCCP. What was I thinking? The WHO said Covid was no big deal, don't worry about it, and that airlines should not stop flying people from Wuhan China to anywhere in the world that would like to go. Oops.

Now it turns out that there are virus chop shops in Ukraine. Who knew? We didn't know until last week. Oops. How many other third world countries are playing God with viruses we don't know about, funded with US dollars? It's a mess. On the whole, as a people, we are not happy about it, at all. Our government has a lot to answer for and unfortunately they almost never do. Our Elites get away with stuff that other people get life sentences for. Politicians! This is just what we know for sure and is likely just the tip of the iceberg.

Now if you want to get into DEEEEP conspiracy theory, you might want to google the "great reset" from the World Economic Forum and imagine how Covid fits into their plans. Where the elite of the world gather to discuss how they will keep control of the world. Think I'm kidding? They control everything. Food, commerce, insurance, communication, banking, energy, medicine, water, transportation, you name it, they control all or part of it. Mom and Pop's corner shop? They have to bank somewhere. Scary, scary times. Blackrock Investments is a good example: They have over $10 Trillion in diversified assets under management, meaning they have over $10 Trillion dollars in places where they have influence. That's a lot of influence. Go to the WEF web page and click on Partners. Be ready to be scared. Holy Smoke!!

Anyway, I digress. Covid; if you follow the science, all you will find is money.

Our objective is to do the best we can with what we have while we can. Knowing full well that life and times are uncertain and procrastination and delay are our biggest challenge.

A little verbose tonight. There was a lot on my mind.

 

[Napoolion]

I wouldn't be so sure that nuclear is as unlikely as most people think.

Saw a video about how strategist on both sides think about a "limited nuclear war".

The pressure on NATO to do something keeps rising. If NATO actually does something that Russia can resonably call a declaration of war, I fear that a coordinated shock and awe strike against many strategic targets is not that unlikely.

Now there are 2 countries in the world who keep threatening and playing with the nuclear button, one is North Korea and additionally Russia. Limited nuclear war was a doctrine during cold war too for soviets, where they though they can use nukes on countries who don't have nukes. Anyone with a brain could see how flawed that strategy is though.

 

[Black_Dragon43]

Russia will not use nuclear weapons, except maybe tactically to attack a military base or similar. Russia has no hope of winning against NATO, so using a nuclear weapon, even tactically inside a city will have disastrous consequences for them.

 

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[Andreas Thiel]

Now there are 2 countries in the world who keep threatening and playing with the nuclear button, one is North Korea and additionally Russia. Limited nuclear war was a doctrine during cold war too for soviets, where they though they can use nukes on countries who don't have nukes.

Maybe there is currently no vocal proponent of a limited nuclear war like Elbridge Colby in the US, but given the amount of warheads that exist, we can assume that the US also has strategists who have a few ideas of what they would do once that level of escalation is reached. When Russia's nuclear forces were put on high alert and the media covered it excessively, the planes of the US had been en route days earlier.

Anyone with a brain could see how flawed that strategy is though.

That is the currently well established sentiment ... but just play the thought.
A few cities completely wrecked, a few 100k people dead? The earth would not stop turning, diplomats could still meet and talk about how to avoid the next level of escalation.

 

[Black_Dragon43]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VEiigkiVV0

 

[Ing]

Russia will not use nuclear weapons, except maybe tactically to attack a military base or similar. Russia has no hope of winning against NATO, so using a nuclear weapon, even tactically inside a city will have disastrous consequences for them.

How exactly do you want to use a nuclear weapon without harming cities? Its not the Pacific with a 3000 km cycle without humans.

 

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[Napoolion]

How exactly do you want to use a nuclear weapon without harming cities? Its not the Pacific with a 3000 km cycle without humans.

That is his point, kinda same as yours. During cold war there was doctrine of soviets to use smaller nukes on troops and countries who dont have nukes, flawed thinking, yes, but this was their doctrine.

Anyway, here is a video about how Russians started to think how they think and why their perception of the world is just so different that not a lot goes through:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF9KretXqJw

 

[Xeon]

Every morning, the first thing I do when I wake up, is to google "Ukraine news live" to check if the mega puppet and tycoon Zelensky has been captured.

 

[Napoolion]

Every morning, the first thing I do when I wake up, is to google "Ukraine news live" to check if the mega puppet and tycoon Zelensky has been captured.

I personally wait for invading army total crash, your news will say that it was successful conclusion of the operation.

 

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[Kevin88660]

Polish government wants constitution changed to allow confiscation of Russian property

It also wants to exempt defence spending from public debt rules and to introduces a tax for entities that do business in Russia.

notesfrompoland.com

 

[Kevin88660]

I believe at the moment Russia wants escalation to pressure NATO. Poland could be poking Russia at the wrong time if they chose to seize Russian assets now.

Military tensions leads to high oil and gold prices.

By controlling Ukraine Russia controls a big part of global wheat supply.

If West concedes Russian gains geopolitically. If West resists Russia gains financially from high commodity price.

 

[Bouncing Soul]

My. Word. So much nonsense and propaganda.

Where are we today?

Russia invaded. They very clearly did not meet their original battle plans and objectives. If the Ukrainians had the will to fight, the Russians were always going to have a big problem. They are attacking a near peer on their home soil. The attacker must have multiples in strength and operations planning to win militarily (meaning take and secure air/sea/ground). It looks like the Russians only achieve this when they reduce a city to rubble. The Ukrainian people just are not surrendering. I don’t think Putin forsaw this, because if he had any reasonably competent fighting force wouldn’t have their basic problems so early in the campaign.

Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people have proven, at enormous cost, they have their own distinct identity separate from Russia. They have fought through their children dying and their cities being reduced to rubble rather than bend the knee. They keep fighting.

At this point, it doesn’t matter if Zelenskyy was/is a “puppet” to the west. The Ukrainian people have made it very clear self determination is what THEY want, and THEY want Zelenskyy.

Putin seems to be building an off ramp against outright loss in the Ukraine with his arrests and “social cleansing” statements against the oligarchs. Autocracies rarely have smooth power transitions, let’s see.

 

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[Napoolion]

Anyone watched the Chernobyl series? Recommended, but you can also see the Soviet ideology what pretty much caused the Chernobyl nuclear accident. Too many lies and hiding the truth have to be paid with reality soon enough.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt-cyNtcI-E

 

[Cyberthal]

Heartless Putin's beating heart is all that stands between Xi Jinping and global conquest.

Paul Furber on Gab: 'Interesting anon from December 2019 claims to be …'

Paul Furber on Gab: 'Interesting anon from December 2019 claims to be an FBI analyst. She says that there is a 'sister reality', a parallel timeline out there which is ahead of us by a couple of years. In this reality, a world war kicked off in 2016 with China conquering Asia and most of Africa...

gab.com

Poetic justice would have everyone protesting Putin die on the front lines facing the PLA's inexorable advance.

MAD is dead. The Zeta Grays want Earth's oceans, and won't let us irradiate them to uninhabitability. That's why they keep toggling the power on human nuclear systems. They're installing backdoors.

WW3 has already begun with biowarfare. Airborne rabies is next. NPCs -> zombies!