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I'm having AI anxiety. What is your thoughts on upcoming AI?

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Hello, I am interested in hearing your thoughts on upcoming AI tools. Initially, they were incredible, but now they are causing anxiety. Do you share this feeling, or am I alone in this? The ongoing bettle between Altman and Musk regarding AI, as well as the six-month pause on all AI Labs, have added to my concerns. Furthermore, it appears that some jobs, such as content writing, coding, and graphic design, are already being taken over by AI to some extent. All of this is quite alarming.
 
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Hello, I am interested in hearing your thoughts on upcoming AI tools. Initially, they were incredible, but now they are causing anxiety. Do you share this feeling, or am I alone in this? The ongoing bettle between Altman and Musk regarding AI, as well as the six-month pause on all AI Labs, have added to my concerns. Furthermore, it appears that some jobs, such as content writing, coding, and graphic design, are already being taken over by AI to some extent. All of this is quite alarming.
I'm not paying much attention to it tbh. If anything, I think it's going to create more opportunities for those who see and act on opportunities.
 

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If you're not on it, you'll fall behind. That's all I'll say.

I use ChatGPT and other similar tools almost every single day. It's saved me time, although I haven't quantified it.

You gotta use these tools correctly.

Yes, a lot of jobs will go away. If you're working these jobs, you really don't want to be a Luddite trying to protect your livelihood from an infinitely more powerful force.

Remember: "The eyes of the master do more work than his hands". AI cannot replace attention to detail, strategic thinking, prioritizing the right things, or long-term decision-making.
 

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"AI Anxiety"? That's a term I've never heard before, for sure. You have a sense of restlessness, anxiousness, and fear, when it comes to the field of Artificial Intelligence? A part of your brain must certainly feel threatened by it, for that to be the case.

What specifically are you anxious about?

- robots taking over the world?
- advancement in technology replacing your job?
- people with power and money deciding the way this field will develop?

Tackling what you've brought up, bit by bit:

1 -

Coding is getting replaced, for sure. If all you've been doing so far is translating the specifications someone wrote for you into basic JS/PHP/HTML, you will most definitely be replaced. As the demand of that job is one level above the complexity of a classical factory worker a few dozens years back. You're not creating anything, you're merely transforming what someone else has defined for you already, in a coherent shape and form. That will most definitely be replaced soon.

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"Content" writing (had to put it into quotes, as I still can't take the term seriously) will most likely be replaced as well. If all you've been expected to do, so far, was copy-paste a bunch of generic, hype-inducing, empathy-injected UTF-8 garbage to repost across social media, you're in for quite a ride. AI can see the patterns behind the "highest converting copy" and replicate them to the letter much better than you ever will be. The simpler the overall "patterns" behind the task, the worse human beings will be able to effectively churn through it, and the easier / quicker / better an AI natural language processing model will be able to handle it. That's just the nature of the task. Zero creation. Full "pattern matching" mode.

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Graphic design and all that is related to art, on the other hand, is trickier. Art is not going away any time soon, not the least because of the amount of "personal aura" that the whole field of collectible-trinkets-oriented individuals are drawn to when it comes to specific artists and their craft. Gooey, amorphous, permanently blissful and joyful blobs, that reek of sterile corporate conformism that crushes into oblivion anyone's genuine creativity and artistic perspective? Those will be put together by an AI too, no doubt. If you, as a graphic designer, have "specialized" in that sort of an "art", tough luck.

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AI is "taking over" the jobs that, to be fairly objective about it, are not made for human creativity, in the first place. The more redundant it is, the more repetitive the work you have to do, the more "patterns" you're expected to "replicate", following in the ropes of the latest "content creation strategy" that your boss or employer had his pleasure - and your misfortune - to get acquainted with, the better the machine will be suited at it. Yet that's where the line is drawn.

Any genuine creativity, a task that involves doing something that "was never done before", and the whole AI "taking over" falls apart. Because no amount of pattern matching on any amount of data sets from the past can make you creative against the future to come. A future that is yet to be created. A future that you can either help to shape, or continue to be anxious about, following in the the trends of the industry that is still trying to determine how to prevent ChatGPT from accidentally turning people into Breaking-Bad-style Heisenberg-s. See the research PDF attached, specifically - the last two pages. You should be able to just search for "Example of Chemical Compound Similarity and Purchase Tool Use".

The whole PDF has quite a few interesting insights on a few other notions. Highly recommend it as a read.

TL;DR - you're anxious because you feel threatened; you're threatened because you're not prepared; and you're not prepared because you let your attention focus on matters that are utterly irrelevant. AI is just a hammer. Built to hammer in the nails of existing patterns - of quite a few, yet still fairly limited amount of endeavours humans had to misfortune to toil at, up until this point in history. Learn it. Understand it. Harness it. Use it. And watch your anxiety turn to anticipation.
 
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@techvx made some great points. Yes, I definitely see ChatGPT and other AI neural networks taking up the slack of jobs that are more or less InputCommand -> ExportAnswer, like coding, copywriting, etc. It will be interesting to see how both the job and the entrepreneurial landscape will change. Don't take my word for gospel here but I do foresee businesses built upon web design, SEO optimisation, and others being redundant in the future. I share OP's sentiment, but I'm also excited.

Is this a threat to making money as an entrepreneur? No, it just means some fastlanes are now driven by self-driving cars. MJ talks about this in TMF . You shouldn't moan when your trade becomes redundant, restructure, and take advantage of new technology; or how he calls it, get an "oil change".
 

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Hello, I am interested in hearing your thoughts on upcoming AI tools. Initially, they were incredible, but now they are causing anxiety. Do you share this feeling, or am I alone in this? The ongoing bettle between Altman and Musk regarding AI, as well as the six-month pause on all AI Labs, have added to my concerns. Furthermore, it appears that some jobs, such as content writing, coding, and graphic design, are already being taken over by AI to some extent. All of this is quite alarming.


Have a listen to this episode I recorded on the topic. It is from an economic perspective. I think it will calm your fears tremendously.
 

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I'm in tech as a developer, and also fear AI, though for different reasons. I've parroted the phrase "if ChatGPT replaced you as a developer, you weren't a good developer" since it was released. I stand by that sentiment, especially at this point in time, as we're not even really in phase 1 of AI. So, if you were replaced pre-phase 1, well, see above.

Make no mistake: AI will eventually replace a rather large portion of jobs - especially tech jobs -, but despite the advancement in AI so far, we're still a decent journey away from that point. Furthermore, I highly disagree with the idea of AI replacing specific portions of tech, such as web design, primarily because there will always be some form of "human creativity" applied to web design (and similar fields) as a whole.

That said, I do believe the existing fields that will survive are going to be infinitely more crowded than they already are, thus yes, businesses such as web design/marketing companies are going to either sink or sail REALLY fast, based on their performance.

I launched my web design agency late last year, and I launched it knowing I need to be fully prepared for AI. Otherwise, I will not have a business in 2-5 years. Basically, if you start a web design agency 4/1/2023 or beyond, you better ensure you're actually providing value and taking AI into consideration, or else the market (read: your customers) are going to instantly dump you for the marketing company taking advantage of AI and similar technology.

Regarding my fear of AI: while I do not identify as an Elon Musk fanboy, I will outright say he is more than likely right. The potentials of AI are absolutely terrifying (and exciting), and I genuinely believe distinguishing AI from reality is going to be next to impossible. And unfortunately history has shown us governments (ALL GOVERNMENTS) are absolute shit at setting laws/keeping pace with technology. There's already an influx of people being AI'd into porn, and that's not even the tip of the iceberg.

The next step is someone in Hollywood/some politician getting hit with accusations, and then someone releasing an AI video of said person "committing said crime(s)." The future is both fascinating and scary.
 
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It's better to keep your eyes on the prize or else you'll be swept away by the noise. I'm not sure what you do or what business you're into but I'm sure AI can help you with your process(es). What once needed 10 people to do, you can do by yourself with a few input prompts on chat GPT.

If you're worried, think about a minute spent worrying about this so-called "AI anxiety" is another minute you lose. Seriously. Someone out there is busy learning, exploiting, and profiting off AI.

Why not you?

As with any other gold rush and depression, there will be people who win and those who will lose. But then the losers will lose regardless if there is a gold rush or depression.

A person who has the mindset of a loser will always lose even if circumstances are in his favor. Look at all those who win lotteries and go broke soon after. They'll always find a way to mess it up, self-sabotage, or be stifled.

Losers focus on what winners are doing and things they can't control. Winners just keep on winning and forget about the rest. Locus of control. Strong sense of purpose. Everything that is not moving you forward is NOISE.

There are different ways to call it but it's all the same thing.

I remember watching Ironman as a kid and was baffled by his AI assistance. We now have access to the very same AI assistance except it's just not as developed as the one in the movie. But it gets the job done.
 

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Hello, I am interested in hearing your thoughts on upcoming AI tools. Initially, they were incredible, but now they are causing anxiety. Do you share this feeling, or am I alone in this? The ongoing bettle between Altman and Musk regarding AI, as well as the six-month pause on all AI Labs, have added to my concerns. Furthermore, it appears that some jobs, such as content writing, coding, and graphic design, are already being taken over by AI to some extent. All of this is quite alarming.
A general guide towards technology is we tend to overestimate what happens in two years and underestimate what happens in ten years.
 

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Coding/tech jobs have mostly never been about the actual code itself and being a syntax god - it's about providing value to your product team and your customer with speed, high quality and security (hopefully)

If you can use AI to speed up that process, then you should, just like you would use google or stack overflow to answer the issues you don't understand.

Already I'm seeing engineers not bothering to use AI and stay in their lane of 'I learnt this language at college and I'll stick with knowing just that' while others are using AI to learn how to do their current job faster and learn other technologies faster - I think you can see who could lose their job, and who will thrive.

By default, AI is not original and will not create the new stacks of technology we see change every 1-10 years, tech will still evolve and things will get better by developers.

There are two options:

1. Leverage AI and increase your output
2. Stay behind, become an average developer who only attends meetings and doesn't output much.

Like any company there's a small amount of people pulling the weight of the team, you can be that person to an even greater extent with AI - the bar has been incredibly low in tech for a long time hence why companies can afford to layoff thousands and keep things alive with little to no disruption.
 
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Hello, I am interested in hearing your thoughts on upcoming AI tools. Initially, they were incredible, but now they are causing anxiety. Do you share this feeling, or am I alone in this? The ongoing bettle between Altman and Musk regarding AI, as well as the six-month pause on all AI Labs, have added to my concerns. Furthermore, it appears that some jobs, such as content writing, coding, and graphic design, are already being taken over by AI to some extent. All of this is quite alarming.
AI is doing all of my assignments for me in school, whether it is coding a webpage or a finance essay, and it is hard to avoid since I rationalize it as allowing for me to study things more important to me ie. fastlane related literature. Yet I’m sure many people who are just trying to pass school are also utilizing ai. So I’m sure like the movie ‘Idiocracy’ people will abuse it for leniency and become dumber.

My point is: make sure to stay healthy! The future doctors being educated presently will have cheated their way through school either online or through AI.
 

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As the demand of that job is one level above the complexity of a classical factory worker a few dozens years back. You're not creating anything, you're merely transforming what someone else has defined for you already, in a coherent shape and form.
That sounds like a Junior programmer. An experienced one will help defining those requirements in a way that fit, and coming up with solutions to complex problems that AI won't be able to in who knows how long. Nothing to do with following a recipe to make Bolognese. Easy to probe: get a stakeholder and a team of graduates. Good luck getting anything done past a trivial application. Try to get AI to build something as complex as Facebook, or Hadron Collider software, or a ton of other projects that are not the next door butcher's website.

I doubt experienced developers are going to be replaced any time soon. AI will speed development up, reducing the need for some "workforce". But making good developers obsolete is something none of us will see. And if we do see it because AI gets that smart, brace for being physically eliminated by AI as well (that wouldn't even need AI to be too smart anyway).
 

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Altman and Musk regarding AI, as well as the six-month pause on all AI Labs
I'm in this industry. The pause is less about concerns with AI, and more about Musk trying to play catch up with some competitors. Some of their assumptions haven't worked out that great (such as the fact that language models don't present a realistic path towards generalized AI).

The industry is great right now if you know what you're doing.

Focus less on ChatGPT and more on actually solving real world problems, there are tons out there.
 
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I'm not paying much attention to it tbh. If anything, I think it's going to create more opportunities for those who see and act on opportunities.
I am optimistic that we can improve our future without resorting to becoming cyborgs in order to compete with artificial intelligence.
 

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AI is doing all of my assignments for me in school, whether it is coding a webpage or a finance essay, and it is hard to avoid since I rationalize it as allowing for me to study things more important to me ie. fastlane related literature. Yet I’m sure many people who are just trying to pass school are also utilizing ai. So I’m sure like the movie ‘Idiocracy’ people will abuse it for leniency and become dumber.

My point is: make sure to stay healthy! The future doctors being educated presently will have cheated their way through school either online or through AI.
I am a doctor and I dont think doctor in future will cheat or anything because you will not require much doctors. Junior doctors will replace by AI very soon.
 

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It's better to keep your eyes on the prize or else you'll be swept away by the noise. I'm not sure what you do or what business you're into but I'm sure AI can help you with your process(es). What once needed 10 people to do, you can do by yourself with a few input prompts on chat GPT.

If you're worried, think about a minute spent worrying about this so-called "AI anxiety" is another minute you lose. Seriously. Someone out there is busy learning, exploiting, and profiting off AI.

Why not you?

As with any other gold rush and depression, there will be people who win and those who will lose. But then the losers will lose regardless if there is a gold rush or depression.

A person who has the mindset of a loser will always lose even if circumstances are in his favor. Look at all those who win lotteries and go broke soon after. They'll always find a way to mess it up, self-sabotage, or be stifled.

Losers focus on what winners are doing and things they can't control. Winners just keep on winning and forget about the rest. Locus of control. Strong sense of purpose. Everything that is not moving you forward is NOISE.

There are different ways to call it but it's all the same thing.

I remember watching Ironman as a kid and was baffled by his AI assistance. We now have access to the very same AI assistance except it's just not as developed as the one in the movie. But it gets the job done.
Thank man
Awesome explanation.
 
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I am optimistic that we can improve our future without resorting to becoming cyborgs in order to compete with artificial intelligence.
We are already semi-cyborgs with our phones and devices.
 

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In my opinion, new AI technology as ChatGT 4 is super powerful. If integrated inside corporate systems it can remove jobs within 2023. An example would be if you integrate GPT 4 with apps (the upcoming model) inside your Accounting and ERP system, and also in Excel or the company Data Warehouse. Then all Accountants and Financial Analysts are done. Basically, you will need around two people one for Accounting and one for FP&A to be overseeing the systems and curate the reports. This scenario takes into consideration that humans are rational and that businesses are run in an efficient way. This is why if you asked me this question like 1 month ago I would say absolutely yes, all these jobs are gone.

That being said though, we are all monkeys in space and we are not rational. We have created several types of bullshit jobs that achieve nothing but just have fancy titles eg Senior Masturbation Manager who reports to Cum Director. These people do nothing apart from boring PowerPoint presentations in Times New Roman fonts (ugh) with the same business English jargon I have heard 3000 times already. I remember in the last company I worked for there was a Diversity and Inclusion specialist. Now this woman left that job and is a Global Head of Diversity, Inclusion, and Culture in another organization. Good for her though she really believes her job is valuable and has found a place to create work for herself. Some people just love to be wage slaves even though they produce nothing.

To bring up this point home, I have to mention the book, Bullshit Jobs. In this book anthropologist, David Graeber uncovers the surprising prevalence of pointless jobs in today's world. These jobs, which include flunkies, goons, duct tapers, box tickers, and taskmasters, often exist due to factors like bureaucracy and an obsession with 40-hour workweeks. Also, our inherent obsession as a species is that you have to produce to eat and that everyone should be working. To make a change, we need to challenge the notion that working long hours is necessary and focus on more meaningful work. The way I see it is that we are not doing that in the short term because as already mentioned we are monkeys in space, and we are super irrational. We all have an inherent need to feel important and contributing and many people enjoy the title of Cum Director or "CD".

That being said, AI is a huge opportunity for solopreneurs and non-bureaucratic small businesses. I am using all these tools to cut down costs, and educate myself in skills that I need at the moment, and only when I really need an expert do I hire someone to do the last part of the project for me. I would suggest that you really learn how to prompt and also educate yourself in order to develop critical thinking because it is a skill that is needed now more than ever!
 
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Azeem Azhar on large language models:

LLMs in the wild: We’re seeing increasingly more ways in which LLMs are being brought out of the confines of chatbot interfaces. The ambition is to increase models’ ability to complete tasks in the digital and physical world. This week alone, Yohei Nakajima designed an agent (a technical concept in the field of AI) that uses Pinecone vector search and Langchain on top of GPT-4 to create and perform tasks based on an objective. Essentially, adding capabilities to GPT-4 so that it can remember, and accomplish things. Another paper proposes to complete tasks by building an AI ecosystem that connects these models with millions of APIs. This approach is a little like building a body. One AI foundation model is the “brain”³ (or central coordinator), and other AI APIs act as sub-task accomplishers.
Yet another paper introduces HuggingGPT, which uses ChatGPT to connect various other ML models (such as image detection or text-to-video) to create an AI capable of completing sophisticated multi-modal tasks. Azeem’s comment: These ‘hacks’ are quickly extending the capabilities of AI systems, beyond the known limitations of LLMs.

Special flavours: Non-AI companies have been rushing to develop their own LLMs. Bloomberg announced BloombergGPT, their 50-billion parameter LLM that was purpose-built for finance. For finance tasks, it performs better than generalised tools. Sprinkling some proprietary fairy dust into a general corpus can produce exceptionally good specialist tools for particular domains. If we have BloombergGPT for finance, we could have MayoClinicGPT in medicine or ComcastGPT for customer service⁴. This might suggest that the LLM layer, networks trained on large public corpora, that everyone can access, would compete in the same way that database vendors, like Oracle, Informix and Sybase, did decades ago. Each vendor might have different optimisations and alignment practices resulting in different flavours of LLM. But the real value might accrue to those who could spice it up with their own proprietary data and produce, as Bloomberg has, the most capable finance-oriented LLM.

A lot would depend on the underlying capabilities of the LLMs. If the very best providers of this technology have sufficient uniqueness, their share of the pie will, possibly, be bigger.
 
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I am a doctor and I dont think doctor in future will cheat or anything because you will not require much doctors. Junior doctors will replace by AI very soon.
This is remarkably fascinating to me, because as a layman, a doctors approach to me is hands on and requires human to human interaction to specifically diagnose and treat with intricacy.

Can you elaborate on why you think junior doctors will be replaced, and what tasks will AI be doing in replacement?
 

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I am also quite concerned about the rate AI is improving. I myself have used github copilot which improves developer productivity and also have chatGPT plus subscription and I am convinced there will be huge ramifications for white collar workers. I think it is just best to have a safety net and to keep an eye on the improvements that are being done. This will put you in a much better spot than people who are overleveraged financially, etc. No point worrying about it since it is outside your circle of control.
 

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"AI Anxiety"

Sounds like you just found a great business opportunity.

Taking an educated guess, but if you are experiencing this, you can easily say that thousands of others have this exact problem.

Now, the question is: "How can I solve the problem of AI anxiety for myself and others thereby creating value?"

Possible solutions:
Here are 10 business ideas that specifically address the issue of AI anxiety and can be started for less than $500 as a solopreneur:

  1. AI anxiety coaching: Offer coaching services to individuals who are feeling anxious about the implications of AI, helping them to understand the benefits and limitations of AI and how to manage their anxiety.
  2. AI education for seniors: Develop educational materials and workshops that help seniors understand the benefits and limitations of AI, and how it can enhance their lives, reducing anxiety related to new technology.
  3. AI impact assessment services: Provide assessment services to small businesses to help them understand how AI may impact their business and workforce, and develop strategies to adapt to these changes.
  4. AI-focused online community: Create an online community for people to discuss AI topics, share resources, and get support from like-minded individuals.
  5. AI literacy classes for children: Develop age-appropriate AI literacy classes for children to help them understand how AI works and how to use it safely, reducing anxiety related to technology.
  6. AI expert network: Develop a network of AI experts that can be accessed for consultation and advice on AI topics, reducing anxiety about AI by providing accurate information.
  7. AI counseling services: Offer counseling services to individuals and businesses that are struggling to adapt to the changing landscape of AI, providing them with the tools to manage their anxiety.
  8. AI newsletter: Start an AI-focused newsletter that provides news, resources, and insights on the latest developments in AI, helping subscribers to stay informed and reduce anxiety related to AI.
  9. AI-focused podcast: Start an AI-focused podcast that explores the latest developments in AI and provides expert insights and advice, reducing anxiety by providing accurate information.
  10. AI career counseling: Offer career counseling services to individuals who are looking to transition into AI-related careers, providing guidance and support to reduce anxiety related to job security.

Fun fact: I asked ChatGPT to come up with these business ideas.

Although it's not a perfect list, any one of these side hustles can turn into a $100K/year business if executed correctly.

Every problem creates new opportunities.


To address OP's topic more specifically, I believe AI will be the last major invention humans will ever make. All future innovations will come from the super AI overloads.
We will be ants compared to Einstein.
AI will be the Apex predator.

Will humans get whiped out by AI soon or later? Probably yes.
Can I, personally, do anything about this end result? No

Since I cannot control the outcome, thinking about it will only negatively impact my mental and emotional state by firing up my amygdala. That is not worth it for me.
 
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This has been happening from day 1 since this new thing launched. Mostly because youtubers and news outlets thrive by spreading fear, anxiety and uncertainty.

  • The discovery of fire was the first paradigm shift.
  • Next, the agricultural revolution was 10 times more impactful.
  • Next, the industrial revolution was 10 times more impactful.
  • Next, the computer revolution was 10 times more impactful.
  • And finally, the AI revolution (50-200 years from now), will be the final frontier of human ingenuity and will change everything forever.

With every paradigm shift, humanity has benefited tremendously. More goods, more services, more food, more medicine, increased lifespan etc.

As the technology advances, jobs become obsolete and get replaced by better jobs.

For example, this is what working as a "computer" meant in the past. Not a very fun job.


The whole AI fearmongering is stupid and shows no historical understanding of how our world works.

I agree that this technology is inherently very dangerous, but that has been the case for everything that we have created (e.g. pollution by combustion engines, nuclear technology).

AI won't replace programmers just like motorized farming equipment did not replace farmers.

They just got 10 times richer and the world food supply skyrocketed.
 
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If you're not on it, you'll fall behind. That's all I'll say.

I use ChatGPT and other similar tools almost every single day. It's saved me time, although I haven't quantified it.

You gotta use these tools correctly.

Yes, a lot of jobs will go away. If you're working these jobs, you really don't want to be a Luddite trying to protect your livelihood from an infinitely more powerful force.

Remember: "The eyes of the master do more work than his hands". AI cannot replace attention to detail, strategic thinking, prioritizing the right things, or long-term decision-making.
100% this, its another case of the internet causing massive chsnge in everything...look at this video thst just came out, and to think theres plenry of people who still havent heard that image generation is a thing.
View: https://youtu.be/6K8WrIsX5H4
 

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Yes. AI is F*cking scary. Pause a second and try to think​

Not a popular opinion, but I think we're screwed. Even moreso because nobody seems to be aware or even care about AI alignment, nor realize how difficult this task really is. Hey, I'm a pretty optimistic person and I hate victim mentality, I think conspiracies are dumb and an excuse to not take action, but this sh*t is serious.

I'm trying to raise awareness about this, but it's like nobody "gets it", as evidenced in threads like this. If you were told that an incredibly powerful alien civilization was going to land on earth for 2 years, you'd be like "damn we should be prepared!". This doesn't look like it at all. Why? Because we don't see it. It's "something on the internet".

It looks more like we're winging it, to be honest. Listening to Lex Fridman with Sam Altman podcast was disappointing really. Is this the level of conversation that's happening between the most brilliant minds? To me, everything sounds so pretentious and surface level... and irresponsible. You can't bet the future of humanity on some vague intuition I'm not being arrogant, there are many people way more intelligent than me, but they aren't necessarily in the mainstream media or academia.

I recommend you guys listen to Eliezer Yudkowsky interview with Fridman. That's what a smart dude that has been deeply thinking about this issue for years sounds like.

All of this talk about ai being "just a tool" that "helps humans do certain tasks better" is nonsense. GPT4 outperforms most humans in standardized tests, and it's already showing signs of proto AGI (being able to self-improve, performing tasks that it wasn't trained for). And this is only the GPT4.

I don't even want to know what GPT5 will look like. This is progressing geometrically. Make the math. And it will be no time until open-sourced gpt-4 like are available to a mass audience, meaning, someone with bad intentions or no concern about safety can get access to the source code of something capable of creating human-like content...

It's funny how people get triggered about stuff like covid, and gender pronouns (be it one side of the political spectrum or another). But this? Something that poses the threat of extinction of the human race? Something 100000 times worse?

Nah dude. I guess it will sort itself out. These guys know what they're doing... They are famous authorities and I see them on tv, so they can't be deranged psychopaths or clueless about what they are talking about.

Guys, I don't care that you don't care. Neither does AI care. I know you want to keep going on with your life.

Me too. I'm horrified about living in this era. This isn't exciting to me. I want to live a normal life, be able to make money, date, and make friends like a normal person. And I'm hurt by the apathy of the general public.

I really want to think it's just a lack of awareness, and once people have the "aha!" moment they will care. And that's why I'm writing this

And this is not only about job loss, drastic social change that we aren't prepared for, general chaos (misinformation, cyber attacks), bias or an increase in the wealth gap. No.

I know this sounds out there, but hear me out. We're summoning an outer dimensional being that not even the best minds that are working on it right now understand. We don't know what's inside the box! This is basically an alien that "thinks" in nonhuman ways that produces a convincingly human output. So we think it "cares".

Nope. It was trained to behave that way.

Think of it like this:

-Does it make sense to deploy a dangerous technology, that could potentially cause great harm to sentient life, before being 100% sure it will work out the first time? No.
So why are we doing that with something more dangerous than nuclear weapons?

-Intelligence was what allowed us to conquer other species, even make them extinct. Technological advancement is what made a few European invaders annihilate an entire civilization in America.

-Do you think controlling an entity potentially thousands of times smarter than us such that it aligns with human values is an easy task? Do you think corporations and politicians monopolizing AI is the biggest threat?

-Do you really think a superintelligent being is NOT going to find a way to k*ll us all very, very fast if we in some way are an obstacle to its goal (it doesn't even have to be a particularly "evil" AI, as exemplified in the paperclip maximizer metaphor)?

This isn't a conspiracy theory. This is something experts in the field think is a very legitimate risk.

So the most probably fastlane action you can take, if you care about your children living a normal life on earth (heck, just living at all) is to raise awareness among your friends and family about this so we can raise consensus about this. This is the most important problem we've ever faced.

We need to stop this madness. How? By shutting it down indefinitely


Please, I beg you. Don't bury your head in the sand. NOBODY wins if we keep going on with this. Not even big pharma, big corporations, politicians, the elite or whatever conspiracy you believe in. It isn't a matter of politics. It's f*cking common sense. Children that did nothing wrong are going to suffer.


Just so I can get to you, Fastlane nerds. If there's one DARE event, this is it!!!

One action that has disproportionately asymmetric returns, that erases anything good that humanity did before. All of that sacrifice by previous generations, made futile. Just so we could voluntarily create a technology that can k*ll us all.


But hey! We can laugh at the absurdity of being able to make a machine talk in the King James Bible style about removing a peanut butter sandwich from a VCR. How fun!

So an action with asymmetric positive returns is to take measures to prevent this. Share the article above with your friends. Let's install the idea that AI sucks, specially if we rush towards it like morons.
 
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Yes. AI is F*cking scary. Pause a second and try to think​

Not a popular opinion, but I think we're screwed. Even moreso because nobody seems to be aware or even care about AI alignment, nor realize how difficult this task really is. Hey, I'm a pretty optimistic person and I hate victim mentality, I think conspiracies are dumb and an excuse to not take action, but this sh*t is serious.

I'm trying to raise awareness about this, but it's like nobody "gets it", as evidenced in threads like this. If you were told that an incredibly powerful alien civilization was going to land on earth for 2 years, you'd be like "damn we should be prepared!". This doesn't look like it at all. Why? Because we don't see it. It's "something on the internet".

It looks more like we're winging it, to be honest. Listening to Lex Fridman with Sam Altman podcast was disappointing really. Is this the level of conversation that's happening between the most brilliant minds? To me, everything sounds so pretentious and surface level... and irresponsible. You can't bet the future of humanity on some vague intuition I'm not being arrogant, there are many people way more intelligent than me, but they aren't necessarily in the mainstream media or academia.

I recommend you guys listen to Eliezer Yudkowsky interview with Fridman. That's what a smart dude that has been deeply thinking about this issue for years sounds like.

All of this talk about ai being "just a tool" that "helps humans do certain tasks better" is nonsense. GPT4 outperforms most humans in standardized tests, and it's already showing signs of proto AGI (being able to self-improve, performing tasks that it wasn't trained for). And this is only the GPT4.

I don't even want to know what GPT5 will look like. This is progressing geometrically. Make the math. And it will be no time until open-sourced gpt-4 like are available to a mass audience, meaning, someone with bad intentions or no concern about safety can get access to the source code of something capable of creating human-like content...

It's funny how people get triggered about stuff like covid, and gender pronouns (be it one side of the political spectrum or another). But this? Something that poses the threat of extinction of the human race? Something 100000 times worse?

Nah dude. I guess it will sort itself out. These guys know what they're doing... They are famous authorities and I see them on tv, so they can't be deranged psychopaths or clueless about what they are talking about.

Guys, I don't care that you don't care. Neither does AI care. I know you want to keep going on with your life.

Me too. I'm horrified about living in this era. This isn't exciting to me. I want to live a normal life, be able to make money, date, and make friends like a normal person. And I'm hurt by the apathy of the general public.

I really want to think it's just a lack of awareness, and once people have the "aha!" moment they will care. And that's why I'm writing this

And this is not only about job loss, drastic social change that we aren't prepared for, general chaos (misinformation, cyber attacks), bias or an increase in the wealth gap. No.

I know this sounds out there, but hear me out. We're summoning an outer dimensional being that not even the best minds that are working on it right now understand. We don't know what's inside the box! This is basically an alien that "thinks" in nonhuman ways that produces a convincingly human output. So we think it "cares".

Nope. It was trained to behave that way.

Think of it like this:

-Does it make sense to deploy a dangerous technology, that could potentially cause great harm to sentient life, before being 100% sure it will work out the first time? No.
So why are we doing that with something more dangerous than nuclear weapons?

-Intelligence was what allowed us to conquer other species, even make them extinct. Technological advancement is what made a few European invaders annihilate an entire civilization in America.

-Do you think controlling an entity potentially thousands of times smarter than us such that it aligns with human values is an easy task? Do you think corporations and politicians monopolizing AI is the biggest threat?

-Do you really think a superintelligent being is NOT going to find a way to k*ll us all very, very fast if we in some way are an obstacle to its goal (it doesn't even have to be a particularly "evil" AI, as exemplified in the paperclip maximizer metaphor)?

This isn't a conspiracy theory. This is something experts in the field think is a very legitimate risk.

So the most probably fastlane action you can take, if you care about your children living a normal life on earth (heck, just living at all) is to raise awareness among your friends and family about this so we can raise consensus about this. This is the most important problem we've ever faced.

We need to stop this madness. How? By shutting it down indefinitely


Please, I beg you. Don't bury your head in the sand. NOBODY wins if we keep going on with this. Not even big pharma, big corporations, politicians, the elite or whatever conspiracy you believe in. It isn't a matter of politics. It's f*cking common sense. Children that did nothing wrong are going to suffer.


Just so I can get to you, Fastlane nerds. If there's one DARE event, this is it!!!

One action that has disproportionately asymmetric returns, that erases anything good that humanity did before. All of that sacrifice by previous generations, made futile. Just so we could voluntarily create a technology that can k*ll us all.


But hey! We can laugh at the absurdity of being able to make a machine talk in the King James Bible style about removing a peanut butter sandwich from a VCR. How fun!

So an action with asymmetric positive returns is to take measures to prevent this. Share the article above with your friends. Let's install the idea that AI sucks, specially if we rush towards it like morons.
There is danger to every new tech. Fire, combustion engine, atomic energy - all of these things improved our lives, but they are also dangerous. Double-edged swords of increasing sharpness.

Homo sapiens won against Neanderthals, and maybe AI will win against us ... survival of the fittest perhaps?

Still ... let's say your claim is true: that AI is smart enough to kill us all. In that case, isn't it smart enough to save us all too?

If we control just one AI with intelligence equal to all others ... it could just foresee and respond to every move the other AI would make. This would result in a "draw", so to speak (just like if two of the best AI played each other at chess).

I can see humanity losing control of one rogue AI, or a group of AI ... but how could we lose control of every single one? Why would all of them be controlled by the same system? Even if that were the case, wouldn't that centralized control be a weakness that we could exploit? (Think about killing the queen bee in a hive).

More food for thought: how are they going to defend against EMP attacks? How will they communicate, get energy, etc. when we shut down the power plants?

There are about a million things we can do to fight back, some of which will seem "illogical" to AI (and thus they will never see coming). Don't underestimate the human ingenuity that created AI (and all of that other tech) in the first place.
 

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There is danger to every new tech. Fire, combustion engine, atomic energy - all of these things improved our lives, but they are also dangerous. Double-edged swords of increasing sharpness.

Homo sapiens won against Neanderthals, and maybe AI will win against us ... survival of the fittest perhaps?

Still ... let's say your claim is true: that AI is smart enough to kill us all. In that case, isn't it smart enough to save us all too?

If we control just one AI with intelligence equal to all others ... it could just foresee and respond to every move the other AI would make. This would result in a "draw", so to speak (just like if two of the best AI played each other at chess).

I can see humanity losing control of one rogue AI, or a group of AI ... but how could we lose control of every single one? Why would all of them be controlled by the same system? Even if that were the case, wouldn't that centralized control be a weakness that we could exploit? (Think about killing the queen bee in a hive).

More food for thought: how are they going to defend against EMP attacks? How will they communicate, get energy, etc. when we shut down the power plants?

There are about a million things we can do to fight back, some of which will seem "illogical" to AI (and thus they will never see coming). Don't underestimate the human ingenuity that created AI (and all of that other tech) in the first place.
Yes, an AI that's powerful enough to kill us all is powerful enough to save us all. What Yudkowsky proposes is to halt AI development to gain enough time to develop guidelines and understanding to ensure that AGI is aligned, which is pretty complicated.

Losing control of one superintelligent AI is enough to lose the battle. That's why an aligned AI should also anticipate the posibility of another AI other than itself taking off and avoiding such scenario

I suggest reading Yudkowsky's posts and Less Wrong in general, it addresses most of your talking points.

I don't want to be the doomsday guy but hey, I'm not the guy developing this insane technology. We need to wake the hell up and demand everyone involved in this madness to stop.

We could do a lot of stuff to fight AI... before it takes off. NOW. As the article says.
 
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I saw the following quote somewhere: "AI won't replace your job, a person using AI will."

I think no-one should be scared by AI... They should embrace it.

It's somewhat like the start of eCommerce, store owners who denied it's potential eventually went out of business as opposed to business owners which used it to leverage their sales.

You can use AI's like ChatGPT to boost your work efficiency and "outplay" people that don't make use of it.

Another example I can give you: There are a dozen of softwares that can make a website or an app, but a lot of people prefer to hire a developer to add the human touch.
 
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I saw the following quote somewhere: "AI won't replace your job, a person using AI will."

I think no-one should be scared by AI... They should embrace it.

It's somewhat like the start of eCommerce, store owners who denied it's potential eventually went out of business as opposed to business owners which used it to leverage their sales.

You can use AI's like ChatGPT to boost your work efficiency and "outplay" people that don't make use of it.

Another example I can give you: There are a dozen of softwares that can make a website or an app, but a lot of people prefer to hire a developer to add the human touch.
Some new features in that regard that just happened
View: https://youtu.be/6NoTuqDAkfg
 

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Yes. AI is F*cking scary. Pause a second and try to think​

Not a popular opinion, but I think we're screwed. Even moreso because nobody seems to be aware or even care about AI alignment, nor realize how difficult this task really is. Hey, I'm a pretty optimistic person and I hate victim mentality, I think conspiracies are dumb and an excuse to not take action, but this sh*t is serious.

I'm trying to raise awareness about this, but it's like nobody "gets it", as evidenced in threads like this. If you were told that an incredibly powerful alien civilization was going to land on earth for 2 years, you'd be like "damn we should be prepared!". This doesn't look like it at all. Why? Because we don't see it. It's "something on the internet".

It looks more like we're winging it, to be honest. Listening to Lex Fridman with Sam Altman podcast was disappointing really. Is this the level of conversation that's happening between the most brilliant minds? To me, everything sounds so pretentious and surface level... and irresponsible. You can't bet the future of humanity on some vague intuition I'm not being arrogant, there are many people way more intelligent than me, but they aren't necessarily in the mainstream media or academia.

I recommend you guys listen to Eliezer Yudkowsky interview with Fridman. That's what a smart dude that has been deeply thinking about this issue for years sounds like.

All of this talk about ai being "just a tool" that "helps humans do certain tasks better" is nonsense. GPT4 outperforms most humans in standardized tests, and it's already showing signs of proto AGI (being able to self-improve, performing tasks that it wasn't trained for). And this is only the GPT4.

I don't even want to know what GPT5 will look like. This is progressing geometrically. Make the math. And it will be no time until open-sourced gpt-4 like are available to a mass audience, meaning, someone with bad intentions or no concern about safety can get access to the source code of something capable of creating human-like content...

It's funny how people get triggered about stuff like covid, and gender pronouns (be it one side of the political spectrum or another). But this? Something that poses the threat of extinction of the human race? Something 100000 times worse?

Nah dude. I guess it will sort itself out. These guys know what they're doing... They are famous authorities and I see them on tv, so they can't be deranged psychopaths or clueless about what they are talking about.

Guys, I don't care that you don't care. Neither does AI care. I know you want to keep going on with your life.

Me too. I'm horrified about living in this era. This isn't exciting to me. I want to live a normal life, be able to make money, date, and make friends like a normal person. And I'm hurt by the apathy of the general public.

I really want to think it's just a lack of awareness, and once people have the "aha!" moment they will care. And that's why I'm writing this

And this is not only about job loss, drastic social change that we aren't prepared for, general chaos (misinformation, cyber attacks), bias or an increase in the wealth gap. No.

I know this sounds out there, but hear me out. We're summoning an outer dimensional being that not even the best minds that are working on it right now understand. We don't know what's inside the box! This is basically an alien that "thinks" in nonhuman ways that produces a convincingly human output. So we think it "cares".

Nope. It was trained to behave that way.

Think of it like this:

-Does it make sense to deploy a dangerous technology, that could potentially cause great harm to sentient life, before being 100% sure it will work out the first time? No.
So why are we doing that with something more dangerous than nuclear weapons?

-Intelligence was what allowed us to conquer other species, even make them extinct. Technological advancement is what made a few European invaders annihilate an entire civilization in America.

-Do you think controlling an entity potentially thousands of times smarter than us such that it aligns with human values is an easy task? Do you think corporations and politicians monopolizing AI is the biggest threat?

-Do you really think a superintelligent being is NOT going to find a way to k*ll us all very, very fast if we in some way are an obstacle to its goal (it doesn't even have to be a particularly "evil" AI, as exemplified in the paperclip maximizer metaphor)?

This isn't a conspiracy theory. This is something experts in the field think is a very legitimate risk.

So the most probably fastlane action you can take, if you care about your children living a normal life on earth (heck, just living at all) is to raise awareness among your friends and family about this so we can raise consensus about this. This is the most important problem we've ever faced.

We need to stop this madness. How? By shutting it down indefinitely


Please, I beg you. Don't bury your head in the sand. NOBODY wins if we keep going on with this. Not even big pharma, big corporations, politicians, the elite or whatever conspiracy you believe in. It isn't a matter of politics. It's f*cking common sense. Children that did nothing wrong are going to suffer.


Just so I can get to you, Fastlane nerds. If there's one DARE event, this is it!!!

One action that has disproportionately asymmetric returns, that erases anything good that humanity did before. All of that sacrifice by previous generations, made futile. Just so we could voluntarily create a technology that can k*ll us all.


But hey! We can laugh at the absurdity of being able to make a machine talk in the King James Bible style about removing a peanut butter sandwich from a VCR. How fun!

So an action with asymmetric positive returns is to take measures to prevent this. Share the article above with your friends. Let's install the idea that AI sucks, specially if we rush towards it like morons.
Fearmongering nonsense.

A, GPT-4 isn't nearly as good as the media hype makes it out to be. It's a cool, effective, useful tool, but it's not replacing anybody yet. If it's passing standardized tests, it's because those tests were never particularly effective at what they were supposed to be doing.

B, what exactly are you concerned this thing is going to do to you? Even the stupid paperclip thing requires the fantasy that not only can you be magically converted into paperclip materials, but also that something powered by coal and confined to a hard drive can physically force you into the magic paperclip material conversion machine.

Realistically? Eventually, AI will obsolete some jobs. Just like you don't see a lot of travel agents around anymore. Where'd they all go? Are they paperclips now, or did they just find different jobs? So there'll be some economic readjustment, but that's what always happens when things change.

Finally, there is absolutely no way to put the genie back into the bottle. Technology marches in one direction, relentlessly, and no amount of big forum text is going to change that. Demanding that everyone acknowledge your opinions and then jam their heads in the sand about the reality of the world isn't going to help anyone.
 

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