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Hi, just wanted to make sure I get it - with Fox Sales Legends there is coaching, weekly calls, Facebook Group to make sure everyone is on track, but it is constructed in a way that there is some kind of video course explaining how to build website that get results, how to get and manage clients, how to make a propo sal, etc?
Or those things are shown only in weekly calls? Or any other option?

The offer contain of 2 big parts - one is focused on making students accountable and help them get results and the other is the blueprint which I assume is video course with necessary info?

Just wanted to know, because as coaching was well explained there isnt to many info about the blueprint, in what form it actually will be :)
Hey @ksiendzu.

It is a year long program so there is a lot but let me answer what you posted above first...

Coaching - yes I am personally in the FB group all the time and I host the live calls.

Facebook Group - yes, very active.

Video course - yes there are a lot of very detailed videos (with resources). I put a lot of time into these so every step is clearly laid out. My goal is that you not only succeed but that you also see why you succeed so you can apply it to lots of other areas too.

Weekly calls - yes a 90 minute weekly call where you can see all the other students and ask whatever question you want.

Also...

Accountability groups - we pair you off with a small group of similar students so you can work together and keep each other on track. These have been going really well.

Also a new thing we have been doing this month is guest instructors. We just started so I will post more later but we have been lining up some top people from these forums and elsewhere to host student live calls. These are going to be great and give students a "wide" view of what is possible with the right skills.

One other thing that I am working on is email templates you can use for all types of client/project scenarios. Just started on this too but there is around 30+ you can use right away to sell/manage projects.

If you want a more in-depth rundown just apply and we will provide plenty more details.

Hope that helps.
 

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Is it generally possible to make 100k+ from Europe working for US clients? Would clients pay less just because you are from a country that has lower salaries? From your experience have you ever seen anyone make that much? I don't mean extremely good senior designers, bur rather average ones?
Ya that is $8,500 a month. With some decent web projects on the go and one or two reoccurring SEO/marketing projects that is very doable. You could do it all web design too but it would take a bit more time selling each month. (Read this thread by Dan as one example)

Clients pay for what you can get them so the country thing isn't a big factor. If they want cheap then yes they will look for cheap countries. If they want results they will look for the right people.

You being based in the Netherlands is a big advantage too. That isn't going to be a hard place to be working from - lots of tech businesses around.

If you got more questions go for it. If you want an actual call just apply and we can talk.
 
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To anyone who has applied and hasn't heard back from me yet - just PM me.

I am going to try to get to everyone this week and make sure I haven't missed anyone.

Thanks. I got some cool updates on the program coming soon.
 
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I asked Alex a question but she didn't reply. I have a question for you a question.
A private message. Just click on my username/profile and "start conversation".

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I've made $1,000 within three weeks of being in the group. @Fox

I read MJ's first book about a year ago and for that period of a year I had been surfing this forum without taking much action. I know I'm not the only one who was guilty of this. There's a feeling of not knowing where to start and for me personally I am guilty of jumping from one idea to the next without committing to any. This leads to no where.

Since joining the Fox's program I've taken more action in three weeks than I did in the previous year. Why? There are a variety of different features that facilitate massive action.

1. Facebook Group - this for me is the biggest advantage of the program. You can post any query you may have about web design, sales, SEO, tricky clients etc. This is massive because it gives you a vital safety net. I know when you're starting out you can be a bit apprehensive because you're not entirely sure what you're doing. This is especially true when you're reaching out to people, selling them a service, and you have that little voice in the back of your mind telling you to stop "you're going to ruin your reputation", "you don't know what you're doing". The FB group quashes these thoughts because you know that you have support if you need it. Because of this I dove straight into selling and had the peace of mind of knowing that if I didn't know anything, I have a safety net to fall back on.

2. Weekly calls - a group call is hosted every week. Again, this presents the opportunity to ask questions and get feedback from numerous different members. Once again, this offers a pivotal safety net. The call is recorded each week so no worries if you can't make it.

3. Course Content - the course content is amazing, especially when it comes to selling. The content covers the whole sales cycle from prospecting to closing. You are well-equipped to start selling immediately. All necessary tools and techniques are provided.

Apart from everything mentioned, Rob and his business partner, Alex, are extremely hands-on and are constantly available. They are also continuously improving the program based on feedback from members. If you're apprehensive about the technical skills, Rob has content showing you step by step how to make a great website.

If you are worried about the cost, you'll make it back quickly with action. I've covered my initial investment within three weeks.

Fox Sales Legends has provided me with a clear roadmap and a clear path to achieving my fastlane dreams. While I know that obviously I'm in the infancy of my entrepreneurial journey and I've achieved nothing yet, I've never felt more confident and assured that I'll make those dreams come true. I'm confident that I'll learn vital business skills in this program, as well as making money, to facilitate me further as I continue my entrepreneurial journey.
 
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I've made $1,000 within three weeks of being in the group. @Fox

I read MJ's first book about two years ago and for that period of two years I had been surfing this forum without taking much action. I know I'm not the only one who was guilty of this. There's a feeling of not knowing where to start and for me personally I am guilty of jumping from one idea to the next without committing to any. This leads to no where.

Since joining the Fox's program I've taken more action in three weeks than I did in the previous two years. Why? There are a variety of different features that facilitate massive action.

1. Facebook Group - this for me is the biggest advantage of the program. You can post any query you may have about web design, sales, SEO, tricky clients etc. This is massive because it gives you a vital safety net. I know when you're starting out you can be a bit apprehensive because you're not entirely sure what you're doing. This is especially true when you're reaching out to people, selling them a service, and you have that little voice in the back of your mind telling you to stop "you're going to ruin your reputation", "you don't know what you're doing". The FB group quashes these thoughts because you know that you have support if you need it. Because of this I dove straight into selling and had the peace of mind of knowing that if I didn't know anything, I have a safety net to fall back on.

2. Weekly calls - a group call is hosted every week. Again, this presents the opportunity to ask questions and get feedback from numerous different members. Once again, this offers a pivotal safety net. The call is recorded each week so no worries if you can't make it.

3. Course Content - the course content is amazing, especially when it comes to selling. The content covers the whole sales cycle from prospecting to closing. You are well-equipped to start selling immediately. All necessary tools and techniques are provided.

Apart from everything mentioned, Rob and his business partner, Alex, are extremely hands-on and are constantly available. They are also continuously improving the program based on feedback from members. If you're apprehensive about the technical skills, Rob has content showing you step by step how to make a great website.

If you are worried about the cost, you'll make it back quickly with action. I've covered my initial investment within three weeks.

Fox Sales Legends has provided me with a clear roadmap and a clear path to achieving my fastlane dreams. While I know that obviously I'm in the infancy of my entrepreneurial journey and I've achieved nothing yet, I've never felt more confident and assured that I'll make those dreams come true. I'm confident that I'll learn vital business skills in this program, as well as making money, to facilitate me further as I continue my entrepreneurial journey.
Thanks @Tipoki13 - it is cool to see a review from someone who signed up since this thread went live.

The feedback above is great to see, this is really useful for us to know what to work on more etc.

Great to hear you are doing this well and I am sure it is just the start. Thanks again.
 

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To anyone who has applied and hasn't heard back from me yet - just PM me.

I am going to try to get to everyone this week and make sure I haven't missed anyone.

Thanks. I got some cool updates on the program coming soon.
Hello Rob,

I'm not able to send you a PM for whatever reason. Maybe because I'm a new member. I applied last week. The first name on the application is Barin.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you!
 
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To anyone who has applied and hasn't heard back from me yet - just PM me.

I am going to try to get to everyone this week and make sure I haven't missed anyone.

Thanks. I got some cool updates on the program coming soon.
Hey Mr. Rob,
I also cannot seem to find the "start conversation" button, let alone send a pm to you. The first name on the application is Marco. Appreciate the update!
 
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Hello Rob,

I'm not able to send you a PM for whatever reason. Maybe because I'm a new member. I applied last week. The first name on the application is Barin.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you!
Hey Mr. Rob,
I also cannot seem to find the "start conversation" button, let alone send a pm to you. The first name on the application is Marco. Appreciate the update!
I think its cause you guys are newer members.I will PM you both privately.

Anyone else can just hit me up on rob@foxwebschool.com (just apply first of course).
 
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Hey Rob,

Do the principles covered in this work with someone trying to sell Pay Per click services, Landing Pages , etc instead of just web design?
 

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Hey Rob,

Do the principles covered in this work with someone trying to sell Pay Per click services, Landing Pages , etc instead of just web design?
Ya 100%. We have a lot of students selling other services along with web design like SEO, ads, video editing, copywriting etc.

That’s on purpose too - we wanted what we teach to overlap with others areas of business as much as possible.
 

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This year has been quite crazy so far, and a lot of people have reached out to ask me if web design is still a good option. While this is a marketplace post about my coaching program, it will also be a good general guide of the web design opportunities that exist right now.

Is web design still a profitable business in 2020?

You may be thinking, “Sure, web design was great when you started your gold thread in 2016, but what about now?”
Isn’t web design outdated now? Does anyone even still need a website and is it not oversaturated for making money?”


Maybe you have even thought about trying web design in the past, but you were never 100% sure if it was the right thing for YOU to pursue among all the different options out there. The most common questions I still get asked are:
  • How hard is it to learn and make money?
  • Can I learn this with no past experience?
  • How much coding skills do I have to learn to sell websites?
  • How fast can I sell my first project?
  • Is it too late for me to compete against others doing this for years?
  • Can I take this step without getting stuck in something that's NOT right for me?
If any of these questions sound familiar, then keep reading because I’ll answer all these below.

My goal is that by the time you finish reading this thread, you can definitively say either—“Yes, web design is a good option that fits with my long-term Fastlane plans”—or—“No, I can safely rule out web design for now.”

On top of this, you likely want a business to tick some important boxes:

Before we dive into the full thread, I want to quickly mention these points. With anyone on here considering making a change in 2020, these points are probably going to be on your mind. So I have covered them directly upfront:
  • You are looking for a viable business model that can actually work - no playing around
  • You’re looking for a business model with very little or no downside risk
  • You need to be cash-flow positive in a short amount of time. You can’t wait all year to start making money.
  • You don’t have the ability to invest $10,000s to buy a business or be able to order a bunch of inventory
  • You don’t want to have to go back to zero and start entirely from scratch—or even worse, try to get a job
  • You want something easy to run with no need for staff, an office, in-person meetings or supply chains
  • You prefer to build a skill set that is transferable if needed and useful in all business areas
  • You also want something that can be part of your bigger long-term Fastlane plan
  • You need to be able to start right away using only the skills and resources you already have
If some or all of this sounds accurate for you, then the good news is web design fits all these criteria. I'll do my best to show you how throughout this thread.

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One last intro point to keep in mind about the web design opportunity that exists right now...

Every business on earth is suddenly desperate to sell more.

They need to quickly and correctly secure and grow their revenue streams.

And all their customers only have one main place to interact with them at the moment:

Online.
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So what does it take to succeed in web design in 2020?

For the last 3+ years, I’ve been lucky enough to help a lot of people get started with web design. Through Fox Web School, this forum, and several other places we have built a great community of people who have learned web design in a practical and profitable way.

I try not to promote too heavily on the forums, but there have been at least 100 members on here I have worked directly with. I also started the Fox Web School YouTube channel that has now over 11,000 subscribers, and we used to have a Facebook group with over 12,000 members.

This has allowed me to work with, teach and coach literally thousands of web designers. What I want to cover below are the clear trends I have noticed on why some of these people succeed, while others get stuck or fail over and over.

Using an approach that works well some students have made very fast progress with zero previous experience. (I'll give specific examples in just a moment.)

They have sold their very first website for MORE than some web designers with 5+ yrs experience have ever made from a single project.
AND the best part is these same students also do an amazing job at helping their clients to make more sales and grow their business.

It is a total win-win for everyone involved.

What I have seen is that when it comes to succeeding or failing with web design, there are a few very different strategies that people follow.

In short—when people follow the right approach, they do very well—with the wrong approach it never works.

“So what are the different approaches and why do some people succeed when others don’t?”

Let's get right into it by first looking at what NOT to do...


The 2 common approaches to web design that WON’T make you profitable (or create freedom)

Wrong Approach #1 – You focus 100% on coding and technical skills instead of learning how to be a well-rounded business person.


95%+ of web designers fail to reach freedom because they spend all the time developing technical skills. They think if they are experts at Javascript or Wordpress they will be in high demand and profitable.

They quickly find out, though, that it just doesn’t work that way. Business owners don’t think in terms of code and design — they instead keep focused on their most important business challenges or problems.

Can you imagine a business meeting where the owner tells his team, “We badly need to put more money into HTML and CSS this month”? That is never going to happen!

What matters most to a business owner is what clearly keeps their business running and growing. These are going to be areas like increasing sales, attracting new customers, or making sure everything is running efficiently.

It is these key business areas where you need to clearly show how you can help.

To succeed you have to present what you can offer in a way that matters to them. If it isn’t easy for them to see the value in what you are selling, they will put it at the bottom of the list with 1,000 other things that need to be done someday.

What gets their attention is “here is how you can get more customersnotI could improve your old Javascript”.

The people who do best don’t focus on selling the technical stuff - instead they look for ways to create value and then make it appealing for a business owner to invest in.
Often they actually have very little or average technical skills.

While advanced coding skills can get you a job, by themselves they won’t make you an entrepreneur. Focusing too heavily on your technical skills usually leads to you just becoming another cog in someone else’s business. With a “must keep learning more code” mindset it is easy to become overqualified without any clear way to make money or sell yourself.

Unfortunately, though, a lot of web designers don’t ever see this and keep heading in the totally wrong direction. And when it fails to work, they mistakenly double down on the exact skills that are already hurting them the most... “I don’t get it - I can code amazing - why can’t I find work?”. I have got a bunch of these types of DMs all the time - it doesn’t work.

Also there are so many easy ways to make a website in 2020 with very basic coding skills and anything extra on top of that can be easily outsourced. The truth is you don’t need to be that good technically to run a profitable web design business. The real skills that make you profitable are often not technical.

(A lot of old school web designers or people who paid big money for coding degrees will disagree. BUT these same people complain they can’t get hired and there are no good clients. Business and selling skills always come first.)


Wrong Approach #2 – You focus on building beautifully-designed, custom-coded websites.

A lot of web design gurus out there will teach people that this is where the money is — spending weeks building fancy, custom-coded websites. But this approach doesn’t work well either.

First, you will end up working around the clock to make the perfect design. When you focus on selling design, you attract clients who think about how things look, rather than how well they work. You’ll have clients focused on the design of every pixel, section, and button. Many times, it means a lot of extra hours added to the project and dozens of rounds of changes.

I am sure some people on here have horror stories of these sort of projects! Design focused projects can be a nightmare.

Secondly, though, very few businesses care about design in the first place. When they don’t know what they want, they might say, “design,” but what they are really after is a solution to a deeper problem.

Your clients don’t really need elaborate custom illustrations, 3D graphics, tons of animations, and award-winning art. They don’t care much about a totally unique, fully custom website that’s nothing like a visitor has ever seen before.

What they are looking for is a real change in their business. They are secretly hoping that the fancy new design helps them get more sales, or brings in new customers. Often when you get to the core issue it was never really about design - it was something bigger they were after.

The cool thing is when you identify what really matters you can get a lot better results with much less work. There are way more effective (and easier) ways to help create sales than spending 100 hours on photoshop making custom graphics.

Of course, this doesn’t mean that visual design is useless or bad. It’s just one of the tools we can use to build great results. Just like with technical skills - it is nice to have but don’t let it be what you rely on to build your web business.

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Where both of the above examples go wrong is the same - putting specific skills before an overall approach that works.

Business owners don’t go to sleep thinking of code or design. They are thinking about their actual business.


Web design gets (very) profitable when you start to think bigger than just code and design...

The main reason people succeed with web design is by shifting their mindset to what really matters.
Instead of focusing on code or design they start to look at things from the business owners perspective.

These web designers only focus 20% of their time on learning technical skills and design, but the other 80% on mastering how to use and market those skills.
Many are not the “best” coders or designers, but they understand how to make their skills extremely valuable in the marketplace.

They realize that running a web design business has very little to do with technical skills or your design ability.

>>> It is all about creative problem solving and adding value. <<<

To give some examples, here are a few of the skills you can quickly develop to be running a profitable web design business in a short amount of time:

1) Problem Solving
Learn to see the overall situation and come up with creative solutions that make a difference. This is like the story of the expert who charged $20,000 for fixing one small part in a large factory. He wasn’t paid for the work involved - it was for knowing the right solution
2) Creating Value
This forum knows that money always flows towards value. When you learn to see web design as just a tool to be used to help a business solve their big problems and achieve their big goals, you can quickly increase your prices by 2, 5, 10 or more times. Business owners will always pay well for websites that offer real value.​
3) Master Selling
Businesses need cashflow to survive. And every business is interested in either securing their cashflow or growing it. Most likely both. So knowing how to build a website that helps with sales is a super valuable and profitable skillset. (And knowing how to sell helps you get more bigger and better web design deals, too).​
4) Communicating and Messaging
Along with selling, businesses also need a lot of help making sure they have the right message that reaches the right people. You become extremely valuable when you can help create and improve their messaging. This skill requires you to identify customer needs and understand the marketplace.​
5) Mindset and Self-Management
This is an easy area to work on that gives you a massive boost over the competition. Most web designers struggle with managing themselves and their business. Being able to do both means you can make rapid progress and also see gains in other areas of your life too.​
6) Combining Simple Skills
Scott Adams (creator of the Dilbert comic) calls this ‘Talent Stacking’. It is about combining several skills to create massive value. When you have basic proficiency in a bunch of different areas like web design, copywriting, email marketing and so on you start to open a lot of very profitable opportunities for yourself.​

How many of these require a degree in computer science or a certificate from a fancy design school? None.

But these are the sort of skills that put you at the top of the marketplace. They are what make you profitable and in demand. If you look at any success thread on this forum you are going to see the people who succeeded have used a combination (or all) or these skills.

These types of skills are where you need to be focused to succeed. They are what will set you up for long term success as both a web designer but also in the bigger picture as an entrepreneur.

With that in mind let’s look at how you can get started with learning and developing these core business skills...


A realistic plan to succeed at web design in the short, medium, and long term

There are three main stages you will progress through in your web design journey. These stages also show why web design is such a great way to learn the key skills we talked about above and to prepare for your future Fastlane ventures.

***I’ve included student case studies from people on this forum to show you what to expect at each stage. If you are one of the people (or another student) then feel free to add in more details below if you wish.***


The first stage: Getting started

This is where most people are going to be when they first join the program. You will either have just started learning the basics of code or will have some coding skills but struggle with sales.

The first goal here is to change how you view web design and to focus on what matters most to a business owner. When you can see why they would buy, you can start to align what you are selling with what they want. This makes it a lot easier to sell, but it also means that what they hire you for is much more valuable for them, too. It is 100% win-win.

The second goal is to help develop the best mindset possible for business (and life). After hundreds of emails, facebook messages, and interactions with students, I’ve noticed that mindset is one of the biggest things that holds most people back. So we put a fair amount of focus on helping you to overcome mindset issues such as self doubt, procrastination, perfectionism or poor self-management.

In around 3 months, our students will typically land their first $1,000 project. Getting that first win under your belt feels great and creates a ton of momentum! While this isn’t life-changing money, it’s still a great first milestone, and it helps to validate the fact that you’re building a solid foundation of skills. You’re learning how to sell, how to close deals, and how to manage a project. You’re changing the way you see business. You’re beginning to help others and be in demand.

A good example of this is @Alfie

Alfi started just a few months ago having never coded before. He recently moved to Norway from Indonesia, so he had a few challenges with starting a new business. Once he joined, we got him going in the right direction, and he ended up closing his first deal for 2,000 euros for a coaching business.

The cool thing is that even though it was his first project, he got amazing results for his client and ended up creating a great sales system for both the online and offline part of their business. The owner was very pleased, and Alfi now has a great example project to use to land even bigger future projects.

Another example is @Isaac Oh

Isaac started a few months back and has gone from a $500 project to a $2,500 project to just recently enjoying his first month over $10,000. Keep in mind he only just started to learn code when he joined, too. This isn’t about just charging massive prices either - his clients are getting massive value and huge results from his websites.

Now keep in mind these are some of our top student results, but it goes to show what is possible within just a few months with minimal technical skills, just by working on the right steps in the right order, addressing your mindset and approach, and having the support to keep you on track.


Medium Term (2-3 years):

This is where you start to focus on stabilizing your income and building a solid base of clients and referrals. While we all love a big payday project, to succeed long-term, you also want to build that reliable base of consistent cash flow.

So this stage is all about building the right relationships, helping businesses in a big way, and being seen as more of a trusted advisor than a freelancer.

The cool thing is that as you build more trust with each new client, you also get to learn a lot about how successful businesses grow and thrive. You’ll be getting an inside look at how their businesses run and developing real, transferable skills. On some projects you can get dozens of hours working directly alongside seasoned business owners.

This experience helps with a lot more than just web design. It can be very hard to get this kind of insight elsewhere but with web design, business owners share openly with you as you work together. You get a lot of exposure to what makes a business successful, what creates sales, and what keeps customers coming back. It’s like a free mini MBA of sorts.

To give a few examples of people at this stage who started with just making websites and now have mastered several very valuable Fastlane skills…

A great example of this is @GuitarManDan . You probably have already seen his own great gold progress thread on here but I will quickly cover his progress....

Dan started his web design business in 2018 using our previous course and had a very decent year or two. However, he wanted to take things to the next level and didn’t want to get complacent. He joined the Fox Sales Legends program around midsummer last year.

Since joining he has made even more progress and along with some big website sales he has done really well with building ongoing recurring revenue too. To give just one example he landed a $25,000 sale alone was from a cold email technique that I shared in the course (but Dan gets all the credit for taking tons of consistent action!).

Now while the big sales are cool the great thing is Dan has built an amazing (and highly valuable) skillset that is a great foundation for moving to more Fastlane business ventures. He now has the cashflow, experience, confidence and mindset that I am sure will lead to a ton of future success.

I asked for a direct quote (maybe he can add more below) and he was nice enough to say: “I couldn't have done it without the help and support of this community. It helps me stay accountable to myself and always push to improve each and every day.”


Long-term (3-5 years)

I hinted at this with Dan's story, but our end goal with this approach to web design is much bigger than just making some websites. This last stage is really what separates our school from other courses.

As much as we love web design (and we do!), we always see it more of a launching pad than an end destination.
Our end goal is always for our students to use their web design experience to go on to even bigger and better things.

Web design is a great way to get profitable and learn a bunch of skills, but it does have some limitations too. Once your income gets to around $100,000, you will be basically working a fulltime job, either doing the projects yourself or outsourcing to others.

This is a great first goal for someone who is struggling right now, but the better goal is that once you are profitable you start also transitioning from web design to launching an even bigger and better business.

If you think about any successful Fastlane business, you are going to need a certain set of skills. You will need to learn how to find unfulfilled needs in the marketplace, how to create a valuable product or service, how to sell that service, how to market and scale your business, and so on.

Once you have those skills, you’ll probably want to move on to something bigger than web design. It is a natural next stage, and one we have built into the way we teach from the very beginning. We have done our job right when you get to a stage where you are ready to use what you have learned (and your cash flow from projects) to reach for that next level.

A good example of this is @MJ DeMarco himself. Now obviously MJ isn’t a student or has taken any of my training but if you look back at MJ’s story (before his big successes) he first started paying his bills and improving his skills through web design work...

“I aggressively marketed my website. I sent out emails. Cold-called. Mailed letters. I learned search engine optimization (SEO). Because I couldn’t afford books, I visited the Phoenix library daily and persisted to read about Internet programming languages. I improved my website, learned about graphics and copywriting. Anything that could help me, I consumed.

Then one day I had a breakthrough; I received a call from a company in Kansas who raved about my website service and wanted me to design their website. Sure. I obliged with a price of $400. They thought the price was a steal and within 24 hours, I built the company their website.

I was ecstatic. In 24 hours, I had most of the rent payment. Then ironically, not 24 hours later, I received another call from a company in New York asking for the same thing… a new website. I designed theirs for $600 and it took me two days to complete. I had another rent payment!

 Now, I know this isn’t a lot of money, but from poverty to $1000 in three days felt like winning the fifty million dollar Powerball.

My first few months in Phoenix, I gained traction and survived on my own for the first time in my life. No flower boy. No bus boy. No pizza delivery. No sponging off mom. I was purely self-employed! I was momentous acceleration, a wind at my back that foreshadowed a directional change into a new universe of wealth generation.’


and...

“I took a contented pause thankful of my recent move and glanced at my bank balance. It was more than $5,000 and it was more money than I ever knew. Now I realize that $5K is not a lot of money, basically it is bankrupt. However at that moment in my life, it meant not having to get a job for at least another year. You see, that $5,000 bought me one year of freedom. Freedom to pursue success. Freedom to do what was necessary. Freedom to pursue my dream. For the next year, I was guaranteed to own every hour of my life.”

Links:
https://www.mjdemarco.com/my-story/

https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/threads/one-year-of-flf.56628/#post-417628 (post #17)

This is a great example of starting web design in the best way possible - with a focus on using it to go much further when the time is right. And I fully agree with MJ here and think web design is NOT a great long term option. The best web designers are always people who used web design to go on to do something much bigger! That is how you make it truly Fastlane.

But for someone on here right now without a solid business plan, who doesn’t have a ton of money in the bank to invest, and who might be struggling with core business abilities such as mindset or sales, then web design can be a perfect option to get you to where you want to be long term.


What are the key ingredients to make Web Design work for me?

The mistake I have seen over and over is people who have the best of intentions, but head completely down the wrong road. They focus on developing the wrong skills, working with the wrong type of clients, and having no idea how to increase their sales or results.

What can seem like progress at first, can quickly turn into a dead end. They end up working for free or cheap for months on end, yet things are still not improving. They are no closer to big sales or any real success.

Web design is definitely not an area where hard work is necessarily going to pay off - you have to think strategically.

Where is a good place to start?

Get a good game plan. No matter how low your current skills or experience might seem, with a solid plan to follow you can make way faster progress than the other 90% of people going in circles. With a smart approach, one or two projects done the right way will add up very fast.

Along with that surround yourself with the people who are already getting good results and learn from them. You don’t need to reinvent the wheel. The people who run successful web design businesses use the same effective tactics over and over again. This is where a coach or mentor is going to be key. You might think I am biased (since I also coach) but I invested a lot in coaching when I first started. I still do.

On top of this it's crucial to have a solid support system to keep you motivated and focused. Working as a web designer can be disastrous if you are alone. By being a part of a group of like minded peers though you can keep yourself accountable while making a ton of personal and business progress. You got to have a strong network.

These core ingredients to web design success is why we have structured Fox Web School the way we have. We saw what was needed and transitioned from video courses and “do it alone” content to building a school that provides you all of what you need to succeed.


What Fox Web School Can Offer

Nobody needs another generic course that gets you average results. There are plenty of these, and they churn out people who will never make more than a few $100 for a website.

What you need is the right coaching and blueprint (along with a proper community) for creating real success. You want a place to develop the right skills in the right order - and stay motivated and enjoy wins in the process.

That is exactly what you get with us at Fox Web School.

We focus on helping you master valuable skills that make a difference.

In fact over the last year we already put this to the test. We worked with a great core group of students from this forum and elsewhere and put all of this into practice.

We called it the “Fox Sales Legends” program and it was built with a specific end goal of first getting profitable with web design and then using web design to go even bigger.

Some of these students are the people mentioned above, but there are many others too. The program has had a lot of success stories over the past year and we now have a very solid core community.

Based off what was proven to work the best from the last year of the program we now have a detailed structure for 2020 to take you through the following stages:

a) Stage one - Get Going
  1. You’ll learn what makes a website high value, how to sell a website, and how to prospect for initial projects.
  2. After that, there will be an example of an actual website project.
  3. The goal of this stage is to get you to land your first paying customer ($1,000 or more).
  4. By the end, students will be able to sell consistently and be ready to increase their profits.
b) Stage two - Getting Profitable
  1. This section of the course will show you how to go from $1,000 projects to $10,000 plus project/monthly income.
  2. You’ll learn more advanced selling, prospecting, proposals, and how to solve even bigger business problems.
  3. You’ll also get better at skills like negotiating, networking, communication, workflow, and proposals.
c) Stage three - Get Growing
  1. In this final section, you’ll figure out how to use your combined web experience, skills, and cashflow to get into creating your own business.
  2. We will look at finding ideas, ways to add value, how to start a new business, and how to get your first customer.
  3. The goal of this stage is to help you create a new “Fastlane” style business that can cover your living and lifestyle costs for now while still continuing to grow further.
(This is a quick overview - below we cover how to get the full details if you wish)

Also at the risk of repeating myself, getting profitable is NOT about technical skills - it is primarily about mindset and approach.
Skills are a part of the solution yes, but they come after you know what needs to be done and why.


Also, you get access to our amazing community...

Weekly live calls


Every week, we have a group call where you can share your progress, ask questions, and speed up your learning pace. These 90 minute video calls are a great place to interact and take advantage of the “hive mind” approach to problem solving. I personally run each one and you’ll also get detailed feedback, advice and coaching on each call.

Directly from taking part in the weekly group calls, a lot of our students have had massive breakthroughs and gotten great results.

Membership to the private Fox Sales Legends Facebook group

You’ll also get full access to our private Facebook group, where you can interact with your fellow students. You all know what a private Facebook group is, but this one is actually active (ha!) with very detailed information and feedback.

I have a deal with the students - tag me in any post and we will get it solved. It is pretty common to see whole sale pitches and proposals get created and then successfully closed in the facebook group each week. If you join and have any issue with web design, your business, motivation, mindset etc - we are always in the FB group ready to help.

Private Accountability Slack Group

A lot of students asked for this and we put together a great system to make it happen. Here’s how it works: each student, if they wish, gets their own private accountability group with around 5/6 other students. We keep it tight so you can form a close bond and keep each other moving forward. If you are on board for this, we have a “no one gets left behind” policy!

These groups are really cool to experience - everyone is super committed and wants to help each other overcome obstacles, keep themselves accountable, and celebrate each other’s wins.

These groups have been proven to be an incredibly supportive environment that keeps you focused and moving forward. Participating in a group also helps you not to stray too far off track and take daily action. While I miss not being involved in some of the big sales, it is cool to hear the stories of when a mastermind managed to tackle a big challenge together!

>>> If you are interested click here and take a quick quiz to see if you would be a good fit to join <<<


What you need to be able to join…

Compared to a lot of other coaching programs, and the fact we work with you for a full year, our cost to join is reasonable. We run a tight operation though, and do require a few things from you to make sure it makes sense to work together:

:check: - willingness to commit and stick with a proven plan
:check: - a few hours of time each week to learn and apply what we teach you
:check: - some savings or cash flow to cover your cost of living as you learn the business
:check: - you want guidance and coaching to help you take the shortcuts and avoid the long detours


But on the other hand here are some things that you don’t need to join:

:xx: - advanced or even intermediate coding and programming skills
:xx: - prior business experience - we teach you business skills from scratch
:xx: - a ton of free time - we get that you have a life and maybe a job to support yourself before the biz takes off
:xx: - a personal website, business cards etc. - there are better ways to get started without wasting time
:xx: - living in an English-speaking country (we have students from around the world, including Europe, South America and Asia)
:xx: - a perfect mindset - it’s ok if you have some fear and doubts with these types of things. That’s what we’re here for!

We aren’t miracle workers, but if you are willing to apply yourself and have the minimal resource to make this possible this is a realistic option to start learning web design the right way. If you are a good fit we will be doing everything we can to make sure you succeed.


There’s never been a better time to join…

The Fox Sales Legends program of course isn’t the only way to jumpstart your web design business but we do think it is the best way:
  • You could lose $200k and 4+ years of your life getting a degree in computer science or graphic design—only to be stuck working a job for someone else.
  • You could go through a coding boot camp ($10-25k) and get a foundational knowledge of how to build websites—only to still be stuck working for someone else at the end of the program.
  • You could take dozens of cheaper courses and programs that focus on coding and design. You end up skilled in one area but again without any clear consistent way to make money.
  • You could try “google” your own way. We get a lot of students who join after doing this for months and years. They often get badly stuck and have to spend even more time unlearning bad approaches and “work for cheap” mindsets.
What all of these approaches also miss is a real community who actually cares that you succeed and a system in place to make sure you stay on track.
Plus a coach who actually cares if you succeed or not.

The bottom line is that joining Fox Sales Legends is super reasonable with an easy way to make back your investment:
- You can join for only $1995 as a one-time payment (one year full access)
- Or you can enroll on the payment plan for only $900 upfront, followed by 11 monthly payments of $150

Over a whole year of working together either option is easy to offset with a few smaller projects.
Even just one decent project will cover the full cost of the program and many manage to do this within the first few months.

>>> If you want to know more - just click here to take a quick quiz that lets us know you’re interested <<<


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The current COVID-19 situation and why it is actually a great time to start web design

It’s no secret that the current situation at the moment is a challenge for all businesses. The beauty of web design is that you can do it from home, with no possible issues from supply chains, in person meetings, shipping, staff, etc.

At the same time, a lot of businesses are now desperate for problem solvers just like you to help them secure and grow their online sales and systems while making the whole business more efficient. This is the exact approach that we have always focused on at Fox Web School. So with the trend going more and more in that direction, it means a lot of new opportunities.

While some businesses will cut back in other areas, they are often looking for ways to invest in a clear solution to improve their cash flow and bring in more customers or clients. A lot of our current students have quickly adjusted and are back on track with new sales or never had many problems in the first place.

So while things are changing a lot at the moment, I think right now there are a ton of opportunities to be helping businesses with all of their online systems and with creating new sales.


If all this sounds good to you, here’s how to join

As much as we’d like to accept everyone into the Fox Sales Legends, we are really focused on making sure we only let in people we know we can help in a big way. I haven’t even promoted this program on my Youtube channel yet cause I knew this forum was the best group of people to start with.

Also if you do reach out and we don’t think that we can help you - that is 100% fine. We don’t do any pushy sales stuff or fake scarcity tactics. We will gladly point you to other resources which are a better fit for now and we can keep in touch.

So that’s why there’s no checkout page or “buy now” link. We take the time to get to know each new possible student first before we offer them the chance to join. We work closely with our students for a full year so it matters to us that they want to succeed as much as we want to help them.

>>> To apply for the Fox Sales Legends, please click here to fill a quick quiz <<<


You’ll be taken to a short questionnaire where you’ll put in some basic information. This helps us decide what the next best step is and how we can help you or guide you in the right direction.

If you are a good fit for the Fox Sales Legends, I can’t wait to work with you and see you succeed along with the current students.


>>> Yes, I want in! Click here to apply for the Fox Sales Legends mentorship program <<<

Thanks,

- Rob

P.S. In this time of worldwide economic uncertainty, you need skills that will get you paid. With the Fox Sales Legends program, web design is really just a useful vehicle to help you develop a full range of overall business skills.

No matter what your long term plan, or how big your business or lifestyle goals, you’ll always need to know how to sell, get clients, solve problems, and keep a good business mindset.

You get all that in the Fox Sales Legends program (while also developing the useful skill of web development). So I hope you’ll decide to apply. Here is the link again to book a call…

>>>>> Full link: Apply for the Fox Sales Legends mentorship program <<<<<
I just now noticed that this program mentions web design and not web development. By web design, do you mean creating static pages without any Javascript functionality? If so, is it possible to charge for these things separately? As in doing web development instead of only web design.
 
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I just now noticed that this program mentions web design and not web development. By web design, do you mean creating static pages without any Javascript functionality? If so, is it possible to charge for these things separately? As in doing web development instead of only web design.
Good question.

- I use "web design" just as a general term for selling web based projects that help a business.

- As in the first post I don't teach advanced coding or development because it isn't really needed to get started and begin selling. Also it would take so much time to teach that it would take away from the main goals of the program without adding much extra value for students.

- Can you charge for web development separate to web design? Yes 100%

I would say there are 4 main areas to help a business with:
> Getting more suitable people on to the site (ads, seo, marketing etc)
> Making the site a better sales system (selling well on the website)
> Making it easier for people to take action (how the site connects to the actual business systems)
> And then creating more "value" in the actual business itself. (more advanced)

Hope that helps. If you apply and get on a call we can answer anything like this in way more detail.

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@Fox just applied today, first name: Diego :)
Can’t wait to start taking action as my semester ends next Wednesday.

Super stoked to have this occupy my summer, take massive action, provide massive value to businesses, change the trajectory of my life, and start my own Fastlane business & live UNSCRIPTED.

I read every single post in this thread, and its sheer positivity will haunt me for the rest of my life if I pass up this opportunity.

Although $2k is a lot for me, I’m pretty confident I’ll make it back with these many success stories and my EXECUTION.

Shoutout from Taiwan here!

-Diego
 

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Hey @Fox I just sent in my application. I read your story three years ago and decided not to take action. I regret it now, but I'm ready.

Looking forward to hearing from you.
 
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The last few weeks have been really cool.
We started doing guest calls so it wasn't just me talking every week ha!

@GuitarManDan did the first guest call on his journey so far and it was great. A lot of really cool insights and he mostly focused on his progress with SEO and the reoccurring monthly deals there.

Then @Bekit did an amazing call 2 weeks again on the copywriting principles she covered at the summit. This was really fun and the feedback was amazing. A massive thanks to her for jumping in and answering a ton of questions also!

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And yesterday evening @AllenCrawley gave a super valuable talk on getting started on ecommerce. Props to Allen for just jumping in and freestyling it (we didn't really give him much of a plan).

This was really cool since Allen covered his jump from doing web design himself (way back) to helping out another ecommerce biz to getting to the level he is at today. I think it was great for students to see that web design is just a starting point and that it is possible to go a lot higher once you get going.

Another thanks to all these people for jumping on these calls! It is really cool to be able to provide this within the school and if anyone is interested in doing a talk just hit me up via PM.

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What’s the minimum amount of skills and knowledge needed to start the course ?
 

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What’s the minimum amount of skills and knowledge needed to start the course ?
This is discussed one page back so I would read through those posts. But the answer is none. I joined last week starting with zero skills/knowledge of web design. So I am focusing on learning the basics right now and then moving on from there. I am only a week in, but so far the group has been very welcoming!
 

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Just a quick question, is it possible to communicate only via e-mail or text messages? I am not a native english speaker and I think my accent and mistakes will scare future customers away. I am not afraid to try though, but I just think I will not have as much success because of that.
 
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Just a quick question, is it possible to communicate only via e-mail or text messages? I am not a native english speaker and I think my accent and mistakes will scare future customers away. I am not afraid to try though, but I just think I will not have as much success because of that.
There are a few tactics you can use to get going with this kinda situation.

First off is you start locally to build as much experience and trust as possible (in your business results, rather than you personally).

After that you can either do a few bilingual sites for businesses based in your country or in the country you wish to target. Since you speak another language this gives you a big advantage over other web designers.

I think for you it is the Netherlands so maybe a website for a shipping company or exports. Once you have this built it becomes a lot easier to reach out to 100% English speaking businesses. You will have a nice portfolio and real examples of "international" websites that contain English.

But to sell you will at some point have to have some phone calls. You can make this process easy on yourself but talking directly with a client is a great way to quickly see how to best help them and build up the best deal possible for you both.

If you want just apply and you can talk to us and see what you think. My biz partner had the same challenges learning English and few years ago but she now does amazing with sales through English. Also we got a bunch of students based in countries around the Netherlands selling in both their local language and in English.
 
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What’s the minimum amount of skills and knowledge needed to start the course ?
Since the program is over a year you got a lot of time to build up skills but anything you already have is an advantage. We care a lot more about you being motivated and open to what we can teach you.

If you are working on some skills before you might join I suggest the basics of HTML and CSS and some good books on sales. Also MJ's books since they will show you how to both create value and think like a successful business owner thinks.
 
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I'm thinking of signing up, but this sounds too good to be true.. For how long will this be running?

I want to see your youtube content/forum posts first to see if you're the real deal before applying.

Sorry if I sound disrespectful, but I'm very skeptical when it comes to get rich quick stuff..
 

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I’ll let @Fox and others reply as I don’t know much about the program.

get rich quick stuff
From what I read I thought it was a year long, and to get you started in web design and sales etc. Not sure how that’s coming across as a “get rich quick” scheme. I’m genuinely curious why you think that @mastermind007.

Also, if you want to see @Fox ‘s posts and YouTube channel then why don’t you check them out? They’re all out there and they add value for free.
 
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I’ll let @Fox and others reply as I don’t know much about the program.


From what I read I thought it was a year long, and to get you started in web design and sales etc. Not sure how that’s coming across as a “get rich quick” scheme. I’m genuinely curious why you think that @mastermind007.

Also, if you want to see @Fox ‘s posts and YouTube channel then why don’t you check them out? They’re all out there and they add value for free.
I don't know, maybe because I still have a slow lane mindset.. Even tho it's one year, for a slow laner like me, that's still not that long. Yes I will check them out. I'm actually excited about this program, it's just I want to make sure before I dive in..
 

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Absolutely, do your due diligence. Also check it’s a good fit for you personally.

I’d argue that you can’t be sure of anything before you start. But that’s often why folks put out lots of free content so you can see if it will be a good fit for you before you dive in.
 

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Reading this thread you will find some answers .
 

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