F*ck This Guy - Tai Lopez

[toxicrain]

ummm... who's is this Tai chick? Some dan bilzerian wannabe?

 

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[G-Man]

Question. Do people really watch this guy ramble on for hours? Really?

C'mon it's not really that hard to believe. People watch daytime talk shows, too. I saw one sitting in the Midas the other day with a motivational speaker that was a kid.

You've been hanging around here too long to appreciate the level of inanity people will listen to.

 

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[Vigilante]

I just don't understand why anyone would want to sit through that.

 

[BrooklynHustle]

You don't have to like him to learn from him

I'm not buying what he's selling (probably not his demographic), but I am certainly taking notes on the way he is selling it

It's clear that he understands human psychology, which is valuable to any marketer/entrepreneur even if you find his approach distasteful

I was ready to hate him when I sat down to listen to this podcast episode, but I actually walked away with a few gems...

Tai Lopez: Why Most Entrepreneurs Suck… PLUS… How To Build A Huge Audience, Solve Problems, And Get Paid To Do What You Love

I generally try to keep an open mind for good info until it's proven that I shouldn't...

guys, a lot of people make fun of him but he has got 750,000 followers on youtube

so maybe , he is not that stupid...

what would you do with 750,000 followers ?

in case you don't understand what it means, there are close to 35, 000 users on this forum

(35,000 / 750,000 ) x 100 = 4,66 %

MJ DeMarco doesn't even have 5 % of the audience of Tai Lopez

so yes i would rather be a moron with 750,000 subscriber instead of being a smart guy with 500 subscribers like a lot of people on youtube


being smart means mastering people's psychology and Tai Lopez is a Grand Master


Grand Master Tai Lopez versus Smart experts : 1-0

checkmate


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This feels too much like I am defending the guy (lol), but he actually had other successful businesses before the flashy social media marketing/teaching people to be successful thing. Learned that from the podcast I linked to above.

Tai Lopez is definitely not stupid. He's a global celebrity, and has absolutely made >$1,000,000 in the last year, unless he's a complete fool.

But, as MJ alluded to in the early chapters of TMF , he's one of the guys who didn't get there by teaching people how he made millions.

He made millions by telling people how to make millions, before he made millions.

He's a marketing genius. I'd hire him to sell anything.

 

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[Xeon]

But anyway in that video Tai just comes off as a cool dude where he usually comes off as some sleazy salesman.

Well, I tend to see it in a different light.

I feel the purpose of him making that video is to bring himself down to a more relatable level. He must have known that people are complaining about him, calling him a showoff and a fraud etc...

Thus, the need for this video to potray himself as a "humble, cool dude".

You can see this in the beginning of the video. Cody Ko and his friend "trespass" into Tai's home, got "caught" by Tai. But Tai, instead of taking out a gun to warn them or shout at them, is seen casually leaning against the door opening, with a drink in one hand (for added casual effect), looking chill and laid back, while he goes over to chat with the guys.

Now all those folks who are watching that video will be like " Wow, Tai is so chill man!" "Tai didn't even get angry with these guys, he's so humble AF!"

Of course, we all know the video is scripted, but either way, it still subtly conveys to the audience that he's an approachable and warm older brother, thus drawing even more fan rave and endearment to him.
The equivalent of this would be politicians carrying and kissing babies before elections.

Tai is a very intelligent guy who understands human psychology very well, and he's very good at manipulating them. Wouldn't be surprised if a few of his fans jizzed their pants everytime they watch his videos lol

Just my 2 cents.

 

[GMSI7D]

he knows that’s what’s going to get people to listen. .

we have to remember that most people are just average people who want to be entertained by gurus

this is the reality of life whether we like it or not. this is maths


i guess, this picture is probably right to some extent :

you get the idea anyway

 

[GMSI7D]

Yes indeed. Dont hate the player, hate the game.

the game played by gurus is well thought out. you can't be immature in this guru game otherwise reality will kick you out quickly

which means, the gurus we watch on youtube are masters in psychology

it can't be otherwise

one of the strategies is not caring what people think of them


again,

back to yin yang tension in life

if you don't care what people think of you ( Tai Lopez and other gurus)

then the haters have no ground to stand and fight . it is yin


because there is nothing to fight ! no opponent reacting at the fight


you must have a ground to fight , physicaly of mentally = yang

you can't fight against emptyness

 

[lewj24]

No but for real. This guy in the video gave more concrete advice than Tai. Although he used Tai's words to create it he made a success equation that can actually be followed based off of mathematics.

Success=Destiney+Mentors^3

 

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[TonyStark]

No but for real. This guy in the video gave more concrete advice than Tai. Although he used Tai's words to create it he made a success equation that can actually be followed based off of mathematics.

Success=Destiney+Mentors^3

And you don't have to pay 3 separate installments of $29.99 (or however much Tai Lopez charges).

I just wonder, what kind of information is even worth that much? MJ's book only costs $12, and will forever be worth 100x the b.s. Tai Lopez teaches.

 

[G-Man]

You business revolves around your asset column. Focus on acquiring assets, not increasing income.

Rep++ for that one sentence, even if you cribbed it from Kiyosaki.

 

[GatsbyMag]

This is a very interesting thread indeed! As always, TMF full of insight, I begin to drool as I load the forum's homepage.

Anyway I have something that will intrigue many of you, recently Tai has started a social media marketing course, his aim is to make 100 6 figure income earners with this course. After reading TMF and using my own common sense, it seemed obvious to me that this was one of those low entry, get rich easy schemes. However I'm really confused now because I have 3 friends who are on the course, 2 of them are already getting paid $1000 a month and the other one (online friend) was recently interviewed by big media outlets for running a successful agency at his age (he's 15). And they've all given credit to Tai's course.

Maybe this is just a coincidence. Has anyone actually been on his social media course and if so, how valuable is the learning material? There are a lot of positive testimonials of the course on Youtube and his own social media but for obvious reasons those can't be relied upon.

 

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[Goldman snacks]

its his business to sell his course,

he markets courses to almost the mass population, that involves free car givaways for shares follows and likes.
buying tons of youtube ads.
creating controversy for publicity.

he has a following because its his business.

people who think his validity as a successful individual is based off of likes and subscribers have no idea.

in the average persons head there are only about 30-50 millionaires:
warrent buffet, mark cuban, A list celebrities, mark zuckerberg, some arab oil guy somewhere in dubai and then theres Tai Lopez.

there are people making more F*cking money than god himself.

i saw a viral post of christiano ronaldos new car the other day.
"just got my new car" with a mercadez 4x4
"wow I wish i could be a pro footballer so i could have that car"
there are so many people you've never heard of making money and most of them avoid the spotlight at all costs.
It irritates me to the point that i have to rant about it on forums.

he should be appreciated for his skill as a footballer, but you can have that car without being a pro footballer or one of the lucky few that make it as an actor.

 

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[Malarky]

This is a very interesting thread indeed! As always, TMF full of insight, I begin to drool as I load the forum's homepage.

Anyway I have something that will intrigue many of you, recently Tai has started a social media marketing course, his aim is to make 100 6 figure income earners with this course. After reading TMF and using my own common sense, it seemed obvious to me that this was one of those low entry, get rich easy schemes. However I'm really confused now because I have 3 friends who are on the course, 2 of them are already getting paid $1000 a month and the other one (online friend) was recently interviewed by big media outlets for running a successful agency at his age (he's 15). And they've all given credit to Tai's course.

Maybe this is just a coincidence. Has anyone actually been on his social media course and if so, how valuable is the learning material? There are a lot of positive testimonials of the course on Youtube and his own social media but for obvious reasons those can't be relied upon.

I have purchased his 67 steps program. I have done lots of research prior to this investment but I had come to a conclusion no matter what value he says he will provide it doesn't really matter. This guy is a marketing mastermind, I bought it to learn how he displays himself and his program... to learn from the best. Maybe I didn't take that much value but the value I took was learning his way of marketing. Tai is a genius. Body language, the way he speaks where he never gets to the point and kind of beats around the bush is a tactic and something to learn from.

Though I will say his 67 steps program does provide "Value". Not just learning his tactis to fool people but he does give out some good pointers. He brings up lots of good points where makes you can benefit from it. Lots of the videos are kind of what you take from it. I try to take notes on some videos and sometimes just get crap. He elaborates around the point hes trying to make. Most of his videos are like 60-75 min long in the course.

Overall, it's what you can make of it. Tai is someone to look up to. Just because he may seem really cheesey and come off as a douche is no reason to learn from it. Do I recommend his 67 steps program? Yes and no, if you're looking for true marketing tips no... but if you want to see how he markets and fools people than yes.

 

[Argue]

Tai is a clever guy. I always ask myself how can I replicate him. What he does works and I give him props for it. He's #1 and in a world of competition, he reached the ladder to be #1. I respect him for it.

 

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[Javin]

TAI launched a book box club at 500% mark up vs just reading the book. Anyone else hear? LOL

I saw that. He sends 2 books? With videos basically giving the cliff notes of the books that he sends you...says the value is $120 dollars. Yikes!

 

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[ZF Lee]

The beauty of Tai is no matter what his haters say, he always seems to deliver the big personalities to his doorstep.

At this point, I expect him to do a video with President Trump soon. "Hey guys, I'm just here at Trump Tower visiting my bud, the next President."

Then all of us laugh and say "Ha Ha, bullshit!!"

And then the next thing you know, he's in Trump's office shooting the shit!

If anyone can do it, Tai can!

he already did that with Mark Cuban!

I might consider Cuban to be the antithesis of Trump.

But it wouldn't be the first time it happened before. Kiyosaki further reinforced his niche by writing some books with Trump.
Fastlaners, you don't have to read the Trump-Kiyosaki books unless you are a wantrapreneur
I know because I got them from Scribd!

 

[TonyStark]

I'm kind of shy about asking them because we're not that close. I feel I can ask here because there is no connection here I have with anyone so I don't really feel any tension.

I think this will help....
Has Anyone Tried Tai Lopez's 67 Steps? • /r/Entrepreneur

So, created a Reddit account to talk about this.

For some background- I'm a current business/accounting student, and I read a lot. On the one hand, this means that I'm more likely to fall for the similarity principle- The subconscious cognitive bias that tells you that people who are similar to myself, and share certain traits [in this case, love of reading and an interest in business] are more trustworthy than people who don't.

On the other hand, it also means I know what the similarity principle actually is.

Now, I haven't finished the 67 steps, and I don't plan to. I had initially, of course, but after completing 1-12 I feel that I've seen enough to make some broad generalizations.

First, a disclaimer- Tai's advice is not all bad. In fact, a lot of it is fairly sound. Now, before you get your wallets out or prepare to call me out as a sockpuppet or whatever, let me finish- Tai's advice might be sound, but it is not unique or special. You can get pretty much the same advice, and a lot more depth, by signing up for a student success and intro to business class at your local community college.

Moving on, I'm going to address Tai's commercial. Now, I'll be honest, Tai's commercial is the entire reason I joined his site- Because I have never before seen an advertisement that hit every single one of the cognitive biases listed in "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion," and I thought that anyone who put together a commercial like that must have some idea of what they were doing- Even if they were a bit clumsy about the application. IMO, That 2-hour commercial can probably teach you more about marketing and sales than the entire rest of the 67 steps combined.

If you're not familiar with Influence, that's fine. I'm about to explain the ways that his ad used the cognitive biases described in it.

First, he opens up the ad with promises that he is going to give you something worth $100, free of charge, just for watching the video. This is the Principle of Reciprocity, the psychological bias that says that if someone gives you something, you are obliged to pay them back.

Now, his actual application of Reciprocity is very clumsy. You're just watching a video, after all, and as most people are aware, you can't just hand people things through the screen. Plus, as you all know, at the end he goes from offering you something for free, to offering you a free gift... With your purchase of a $67/month subscription. At this point, Tai falls prey to the Contrast principle- His initial promise of a free gift comes up against the sudden brick wall of a $67 fee. Now, he also clearly uses that principle when he asks us "What is living well worth?" and goes down the list from 1000, 500, and so on and so forth until he reaches that point, in addition to the established value of the gift- or, rather, claimed value of the gift- being higher than the asking price for the program.

Next, I'd like to talk about his convenient user testimony. The Social proof- Other people think this is a good thing! They like it! You know, Tai hasn't heard of anyone not liking the program at all! So, clearly... If you try it, you will find it valuable, because everyone else did. He used it pretty well, to be honest, even including e-mail addresses and contact info to 'prove' he wasn't scamming you. Which, he might not be- For all I know, there are real people at the end of that contact info, who really do feel that the program helped them.

That doesn't mean anything beyond their own personal feels, though.

He also spends a lot of time flattering the viewer ham-handedly. "If you've watched this far, you're obviously pretty smart" came up at several times- And this was probably calculated just like everything else. When someone compliments you, even when it's obviously fake... You like them more. Maybe only a little bit, but it's a measurable amount, and the Principle of Liking states that if you like someone, you're more likely to buy what they're selling you.

He also claims to have experience, and luck, in finding several mentors- Who he quotes, along with other famous authors, almost religiously. He's not the one who came up with this, he claims- It was other people, wiser people, respected people. Authorities, you might say, which he is appealing to.

Then, you get the final bias in the advertisement video- The scarcity bias. Why, he's only opening this program [which he advertised on youtube, heh] to a handful of people- Maybe a hundred or two, I dunno, not that many, so you'd better buy in fast!

And there we get the principle of Consistency- Come on, sign on the dotted line. Once you sign, once you pay, you'll know that you've signed up for it, and you'll rationalize it- Obviously you've gotten benefits, obviously you think it's worth it, otherwise why would you have signed up for it?

Every single cognitive bias in the book, all in one single video. Pretty impressive, though he's obviously not that great at using them- His whole video screams "Scam Artist", not "This is a great idea and you should feel great for having it," after all.

Unfortunately, the steps themselves are much less educational than that first ad video. Each of the videos could probably be summed up in less than five minutes, if it wasn't for Tai's rambling anecdotes, and- As Tai himself says once or twice- He could have condensed them into a much shorter length. However, he has two reason he doesn't, which he spells out at length.

Firstly, he wants us to put the effort in to glean the 'Ounce of gold' from the hour long pile of dirt. Second, he wants us to take at least 67 days going through the course- Long enough to form a habit.

These feed back, again, to the consistency bias- If you've spent this long, and this much effort, going through the course? You must find it worth it! So, if you've found it worth it, you might as well keep your subscription active, so you can keep learning more. It's only 67 a month after all, right?

Let me counter that, with one of Tai's own arguments- If you're spending 67 a month on his program, that's time and money you're not spending on other things- Things like actual business books, which cost about 5-10 on Amazon from my experience.

Which, to be fair, is not to say that Tai's series is worthless. It's entirely possible that at some point later in the series, he comes out with something unique and insightful, completely different from his early videos.

If you want to check and see, though, make sure to cancel the additional monthly fees. There's no need to pay more than the initial seventy bucks for what he's selling you.

I hope this helps.

 

[lewj24]

I am astonished at the amount of ignorance in this thread. My last post was completely ignored by people who still believe he is a "scammer".

His brand is valuable because he provides extremely valuable content.

You guys do know that if you search the Internet for evidence supporting and on the contrary you will find both. That is how misinformation works and it's all over reddit and forums from people who don't know better, and you guys are spreading falsity to each other. It's hilarious. Misinformation has been used to deceive people for millenia through religion, money and war.

The only way to form an educated opinion is to have actually experienced the damn thing.

I have been through his programs and am in his most recent Social Media Marketing Agency Program. I must say that is an amazing course and actually teaches you how to create a tangible business model (whereas The 67 Steps was focused on mindset).

Please stop spewing hate about Tai if you don't know what you're talking about. Thanks.

How "valuable" would his content be if he didn't show lambo's and mansions in his ads? I'd bet he'd have a lot less customers/followers and I'd bet he'd have a lot more haters and I'd bet his content wouldn't seem as valuable.

 

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[rpeck90]

Apart from lambo videos and paying escorts, he has done nothing. Try using charlie munger quotes to raise capital...

 

[G-Man]

Average American watches 5 hours of TV per day

TBH this confounds me a little. It has to be that the data is skewed by people that stay home and watch 14 hrs of tv a day doesn't it?

There's no way a gainfully employed person watches 5 hrs a day, unless maybe they make up for it by literally watching TV all day Sat and Sun.

 

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[bitsinmyblood]

I have to say that the television watching, Tai Lopez infatuated coupon clipper sheep you're referring to are the same demographic who have most of the antidepressant prescriptions.

I've gone though times when I had no passion and no vision to see a way out of the mediocrity race for the slowlane. I would be willing to wager that there are a lot of people who, deep down, know they don't have the knowledge or skills to turn their lives around. That's why they fall victim to will of the sheep heard, relinquish control of the steering wheel, and let their dreams die.

I've noticed that having a clear understanding of what it takes to achieve massive success in business has helped tremendously. It's almost like a veil was lifted, and sunlight once again reached my soul. The sunlight is the dream of something better. When you don't understand how it can be done, knowing that it CAN be done and SEEING others do it compounds the withdrawal and depression.

My guess is that the massively high rates of depression in America or other developed nations is a result of two things:
1) Having life too easy, resulting in a culture of expectation and entitlement
2) Not understanding the concepts detailed in MFL

Obviously, genetics and brain chemistry play a big part for a lot of people, too. I don't mean to diminish those cases.

I believe we are part of the most massive rejection of traditional economics and the slowlane philosophies. It's currently under way, and I don't see it ending any time soon.

I truly believe that in 20 years the economy will look completely different in terms of major corporation's market share and employment numbers.

Is this the "Age of entrepreneurs"?

This is the "21st Century Slowlane Exodus"

Am I completely off base? How do you see things?

 

[ChrisV]

Yup, I watched from 40s in and stopped at 4+ mins. Waste of time if you ask me, not sure what's the "juice" you're talking about lol. The whole video is obviously scripted, it's a collaboration between Cody and him. These gurus, YouTubers and all these guys have an inner circle where they prop each other up to get more views and fame. Is that you in the crowd, Grant Cardone?

I used to read that Tai finishes reading a book in 10 mins : How To Read A Book... A Day?! (What I Think Of Tai Lopez's Reading Routine) - Benjamin McEvoy



Absolute bollocks. Tai shows us that the masses are dumb, and if you play your cards right, you can make people worship you with credit cards in hand. I'm very sure his followers are made up of mostly all wantrepreneurs.

Of course it’s scripted. The beginning at least. Well what I’m pointing out is, I make fun of Tai’s corniness as much as anybody, but I just found it striking how much of a humble, cool dude Tai came off as. I think honestly Tai just knows what he’s doing.

He’s like Jay-z if you follow him. Deep down he’s a really smart, cool motherfcker. But he knows he has to be flashy to draw attention.

Tai Lopez? He shows off a Ferrari because he knows that’s what’s going to get people to listen. He mentions his TEDx talk because while it comes off as braggadocious,

Like if you watch his original In My Garage video, it’s so obvious how scripted and well thought out that was.
Step 1) show lamborghini so people are like ‘whoa maybe this guy knows how to get rich” and gain credibility
Step 2) funnel them into your 67 steps

But anyway in that video Tai just comes off as a cool dude where he usually comes off as some sleazy salesman.

 

[Neo_8524]

we have to remember that most people are just average people who want to be entertained by gurus

this is the reality of life whether we like it or not. this is maths


i guess, this picture is probably right to some extent :

you get the idea anyway


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Yes indeed. Dont hate the player, hate the game.

 

[LPPC]

People can learn a lot from Tai Lopez, regardless of his personality.

I love this he said:
'' Keep the health, make money a little slower''.

He got many people into reading books because he makes reading books attractive: read books and you will get these cars and women like I do. People want money, cars and women and tai knows this. They will not listen if you say read books and you will become a good person. People will not listen to that.

Brilliant way to help people: trick them into reading books.

And it's true: knaaawledgee can help you in getting moolah and bishes

Edit: legends are that Tai Lopez reads 12 books in a second.

 

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[masterneme]

People can learn a lot from Tai Lopez, regardless of his personality.

I love this he said:
'' Keep the health, make money a little slower''.

He got many people into reading books because he makes reading books attractive: read books and you will get these cars and women like I do. People want money, cars and women and tai knows this. They will not listen if you say read books and you will become a good person. People will not listen to that.

Brilliant way to help people: trick them into reading books.

And it's true: knaaawledgee can help you in getting moolah and bishes

Edit: legends are that Tai Lopez reads 12 books in a second.

That's not true, he isn't motivating anyone, he's getting richer by looking like he's motivating people but if you wanted to read a book you'd just go and do it.

That's the thing, people giving attention (and money) to Tai Lopez (or any other guru) are the least likely to be successful because every minute listening to him is a minute not spent on their life.

Followers don't learn, or they would be VERY BUSY with their own path to even know WTF Tai Lopez is.

Edit: In other words "learning" from gurus is action faking.

 

[masterneme]

He isn't motivating anyone? Please think about what you are saying here.

He is making reading books look cool just like rappers are making acting tough look cool. At least Tai Lopez is promoting a good thing. Who cares if he makes money.

You can learn a lot just by listening to his free videos.

Does he act shady sometimes and give a ''free lecture'' just to cut if off when it gets interesting in order to make people pay for the full lecture? Yes he does. But that is just his way of making money. He is still providing massive value.

Most of his followers are indeed action fakers, just like most people watching spirituality videos are action faking being spiritual. Just the nature of the human mind.

Anyways, I just see too much hate on Tai Lopez which he doesn't deserve. But he is certainly not my idol

No, he isn't. If he was people would go out and read books and stop watching him.

Motivation is cause & effect. When you read a book because someone suggested it, that's motivation, you read that book because someone "motivated" it.

The word comes from latin and it means something like "the activation of movement", cause & effect.

A better word for what he does is inspiration, which doesn't cause action nor reaction.

You can argue that it's semantics and I partialy agree, but still, it doesn't matter for what I mean, people watch gurus because they want to watch gurus not because they want a source of motivation, they just want to keep wasting time on other people's lifes.

Call it motivation or inspiration, it's just an excuse to not do the work. If they wanted to read books they'd do it.

So no, I don't think he's motivating anything, he's just preaching to his audience, who are people with low "Entrepeneurial Quoficient" who are less likely to be succesful precisely because they're investing time and energy on other people instead of themselves AKA action faking.

In comparison people on this forum recommend you to read the books that help you solve the immidiate problem in front of you.

In comparison I am the one trying to motivate you to take your time seriously and take action and be successful.

If you think about it, we're the ones respecting you, we're the ones respecting YOUR LIFE.

It's your life less worthy than Tai's? Isn't your life important?

But yeah, the people who're trying to stop you from wasting your focus and really want to help you are haters...

Gurus: "Acquire knawledge, buy my s**t"
Haters: "Solve problems, provide value, don't waste time and live your life"

WHO ARE YOU CHOOSING?

So be it...

 

[lewj24]

I read that in MJ's voice. Good job.

lol, I wrote it imagining that voice.

 

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[MitchC]

Interesting to read the comments on this video, people saying his program is good and others asking is it good, and some even saying I know he's full of it but it must still be valuable right?

 

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[TonyStark]

It's extremely basic. However, to say there's nothing of any practical use in it is not very charitable. Consider these four points:

Rich people acquire assets. The poor and middle class acquire liabilities, but think they are assets.

The state of investment income exceeding expenses is being “wealthy.”

Your profession is not your business, because you work for someone else.

You business revolves around your asset column. Focus on acquiring assets, not increasing income.

If you'd never heard any of those four things before RDPD, and you took them to heart after reading RDPD, the book was worth the price of admission. Shoot, it would have been a bargain at 5 times the price. If you've already started a business, then it's a waste of time.

I agree. I think the concepts in RDPD stand pretty well, while it's 80% fluff/ 20% concepts, TMF is 100% concepts.

 

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[thinkandgrowrich]

This is a very interesting thread indeed! As always, TMF full of insight, I begin to drool as I load the forum's homepage.

Anyway I have something that will intrigue many of you, recently Tai has started a social media marketing course, his aim is to make 100 6 figure income earners with this course. After reading TMF and using my own common sense, it seemed obvious to me that this was one of those low entry, get rich easy schemes. However I'm really confused now because I have 3 friends who are on the course, 2 of them are already getting paid $1000 a month and the other one (online friend) was recently interviewed by big media outlets for running a successful agency at his age (he's 15). And they've all given credit to Tai's course.

Maybe this is just a coincidence. Has anyone actually been on his social media course and if so, how valuable is the learning material? There are a lot of positive testimonials of the course on Youtube and his own social media but for obvious reasons those can't be relied upon.

damn if that's true then I take back what I said lol