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<div class="bbWrapper">Hello, new here and I may be biased since I&#039;m a graphic designer, but do we really not need a website to get sales?<br /> <br /> I&#039;m not good at outreach, so I&#039;d feel more confident selling if I already have an internet presence (website, content, etc.) so I can attract people who are already interested in what I&#039;m selling (email marketing).<br /> <br /> I&#039;m a bit lost on how to get sales without all the fancy stuff, tbh.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I don’t use my website at all. Not one of my customers came from it. I could shut it down today and no one would likely notice for months.<br /> <br /> That said, I have a website. They’re cheap. Why not. You should have one.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">If you have the cash for it then do it. <br /> For artists it&#039;s a great decentralized medium to display your skills.<br /> It&#039;s cheap and since it&#039;s yours you can customize it to reflect your personality and style.<br /> If you end up hating it or it&#039;s not serving you anymore you can always delete it. If you end up loving it and you get clients from it you won&#039;t need to wonder if it was a good idea or not.<br /> <br /> To your success</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 145396" data-quote="ngie" data-source="post: 1137836" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1137836" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1137836">ngie said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hello, new here and I may be biased since I&#039;m a graphic designer, but do we really not need a website to get sales?<br /> <br /> I&#039;m not good at outreach, so I&#039;d feel more confident selling if I already have an internet presence (website, content, etc.) so I can attract people who are already interested in what I&#039;m selling (email marketing).<br /> <br /> I&#039;m a bit lost on how to get sales without all the fancy stuff, tbh. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Welcome to the forum. <br /> <br /> Here&#039;s the thing. <br /> <br /> You could put up all that fancy online stuff and <b>still</b> not get any sales.<br /> <br /> The point is not to forbid you from getting a website. The point is to focus your attention on the area that matters. <br /> <br /> Imagine that you set this up for yourself as a challenge with a unique constraint. Your goal is to make a sale <i>without the luxury of a website</i>. Afterwards, when you have this down, it&#039;ll be easier to put up the kind of website that supports your ability to sell. <br /> <br /> You&#039;re a graphic designer. Let&#039;s say your challenge is to sell a logo. Or since you said you are selling email marketing, pick that if you prefer. Get in front of a target client wherever you think they&#039;d be most likely to be found. Make a proposal, set your price, and ask for the sale. Do this 10 or 50 or 100 times until you get a yes. (Look up resources on how to structure a sales pitch to help you be more likely to succeed.) <br /> <br /> Is this intimidating? Yes. Is this going to tax your confidence? Yes. But is this exercise going to benefit the rest of your life as an entrepreneur? Yes. <br /> <br /> It&#039;s going to break you out of the limited mindset that says, &quot;I&#039;m not good at outreach&quot; and show you that &quot;outreach is a learnable skill.&quot; It&#039;s going to free you from, &quot;I don&#039;t know how to sell&quot; and set you free to realize you now DO know how to sell.<br /> <br /> Your confidence in sales will be built out of this exercise. There&#039;s really no substitute. <br /> <br /> Don&#039;t get me wrong - feel free to put up a website by all means. If it helps you to feel prepared and professional, go for it if you want to. I&#039;m sure it will be beautiful since you&#039;re already a graphic designer. But you&#039;ll quickly discover that your website is not a shortcut and it does not do the heavy lifting for you. YOU still have to do the selling. You can do that with or without a website.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Its a question of trustworthiness. If they don&#039;t believe you can pull off the job, then they&#039;ll ask for examples/portfolio/website. Imagine they messaged you from your Instagram, they found your Instagram through someone else posting how much they love that thing you did. Trust earned, YOU&#039;RE THE ONLY ONE, they buy, NO WEBSITE. Although you found MJs forum, you probably heard about the books before the forum. Im not sure, but I recall watching his youtube videos before finding/buying any book/forum membership. Instead of a website- articles, pdf ebooks and videos can also help prove you&#039;re the expert in the space, or have the style they want, whatever people need.<br /> <br /> Challenge being, you have no website, you email someone who you think you can help. Can you convince them to buy from you from only the emails?</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper">My company is in the website building business...<br /> <br /> And our website sucks. For 7 years we had a picture of a giraffe sticking it&#039;s tongue out at you. Hardly ever got a real lead off it. We swapped it out for an AZ Sunset and started getting a few calls. Nothing to write home about. <br /> <br /> And yet somehow I recently learned from our rep at freshbooks that my little agency had the biggest freshbooks account she had seen. Really? How long has she worked there? Lololol (over a year). <br /> <br /> When I say &quot;somehow&quot; I mean we have gotten a lot of referrals over the years. <br /> <br /> You don&#039;t need a website. Get results for clients, those clients will introduce you to other people who need your help. That&#039;s how you do it. <br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 4862" data-quote="Kak" data-source="post: 1137837" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1137837" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1137837">Kak said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I don’t use my website at all. Not one of my customers came from it. I could shut it down today and no one would likely notice for months.<br /> <br /> That said, I have a website. They’re cheap. Why not. You should have one. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I second this.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I don&#039;t know what you reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally need. But, how about Raygun and Joe biden dancing?<br /> <br /> <script class="js-extraPhrases" type="application/json"> { "lightbox_close": "Close", "lightbox_next": "Next", "lightbox_previous": "Previous", "lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.", "lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow", "lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow", "lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen", "lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails", "lightbox_download": "Download", "lightbox_share": "Share", "lightbox_zoom": "Zoom", "lightbox_new_window": "New window", "lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar" } </script> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="wI98GpO.png" data-src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwI98GpO.png&amp;hash=7c36486a818f42b16e90b00a11be14f6" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwI98GpO.png&amp;hash=7c36486a818f42b16e90b00a11be14f6" data-url="https://i.imgur.com/wI98GpO.png" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="wI98GpO.png" title="" width="" height="" loading="lazy" /> </div></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">It hinges on the word &quot;need&quot;. You need something if it&#039;s not possible to get by without it. To prove that untrue you just find one person in the world who&#039;s running a business without a website.<br /> <br /> <br /> Knock up a simple page with Carrd.co (or even something like Linktr.ee) so prospects can check it out.<br /> <br /> Just don&#039;t agonise over it.<br /> <br /> Then go get clients.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Here&#039;s my &quot;website&quot;. When I grow up I&#039;ll have me a proper website. Until then, prospects reach out to me via Facebook or LinkedIn messenger.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1725447899140-webp.58284/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/54/54900-0709996999b6511ce0ad4f3bef5dd9af.jpg?hash=G-Xh_9HF5N" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1725447899140.webp" title="1725447899140.webp" width="200" height="230" loading="lazy" /></a></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I signed up for a $500/mo coaching program last month it was a Google doc with a Stripe link in it<br /> <br /> No idea if they have a website</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">For starters, I wouldn&#039;t even start with a website, get clients first. <br /> <br /> Once you have a steady stream of clients, then you can think about creating a website with a sales funnel designed to streamline your process.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Ok haha thanks everyone, I&#039;d be a fool to go through with it when so many experienced people are personally telling me I can focus my efforts on areas that&#039;ll give me better and faster results.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 59397" data-quote="Bekit" data-source="post: 1137842" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1137842" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1137842">Bekit said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Imagine that you set this up for yourself as a challenge with a unique constraint. Your <a href="https://goalsumo.com/?utm_source=TFFkw" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">goal</a> is to make a sale <i>without the luxury of a website</i>. Afterwards, when you have this down, it&#039;ll be easier to put up the kind of website that supports your ability to sell. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>This is a useful way to look at it, thank you so much. I&#039;m quite the introvert, so anything related to sales scares me but if that&#039;s where the money is I&#039;ll just have to push through it.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 23590" data-quote="Andy Black" data-source="post: 1137859" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1137859" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1137859">Andy Black said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Here&#039;s my &quot;website&quot;. When I grow up I&#039;ll have me a proper website. Until then, prospects reach out to me via Facebook or LinkedIn messenger. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Opening Carrd.co right now...<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 72777" data-quote="BizyDad" data-source="post: 1137852" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1137852" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1137852">BizyDad said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> When I say &quot;somehow&quot; I mean we have gotten a lot of referrals over the years. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Thanks for the advice! I&#039;ll create a quick service guide and start reaching out to past clients for referrals and reviews</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 145396" data-quote="ngie" data-source="post: 1138075" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1138075" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1138075">ngie said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I&#039;ll create a quick service guide and start reaching out to past clients for referrals and reviews </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>This might help:<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="391811" data-url="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/threads/when-your-backs-against-the-wall.77881/" data-host="www.thefastlaneforum.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/assets/logo/fastlane_discussion_og.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.thefastlaneforum.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/threads/when-your-backs-against-the-wall.77881/" class="link link--internal fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="" rel="" data-proxy-href=""> HOT! - When your back&#039;s against the wall... </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">When your back&#039;s against the wall... Someone gave me this advice a few years ago and it&#039;s got me out of a bind quite a few times since. On one occasion I was 2 days away from our mortgage payment and looking at an empty warchest. This advice helped. The advice? Start sending hand crafted...</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/assets/logo/Fastlane32.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.thefastlaneforum.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.thefastlaneforum.com </div> </div> </div> </div></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 145396" data-quote="ngie" data-source="post: 1137836" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1137836" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1137836">ngie said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hello, new here and I may be biased since I&#039;m a graphic designer, but do we really not need a website to get sales?<br /> <br /> I&#039;m not good at outreach, so I&#039;d feel more confident selling if I already have an internet presence (website, content, etc.) so I can attract people who are already interested in what I&#039;m selling (email marketing).<br /> <br /> I&#039;m a bit lost on how to get sales without all the fancy stuff, tbh. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I know someone who just started a FB group and made 100k in 6 months with nothing else.<br /> <br /> I think just get good at out reach.. its where I find the audience becomes more loyal to you and you end up doing it anyway to sell<br /> Do you know how your new clients mainly find you?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">If you want Internet traffic then yes you need a website<br /> <br /> IF you don&#039;t, then you don&#039;t need one<br /> <br /> It&#039;s really that simple.<br /> <br /> Better questions:<br /> <br /> - Where am I getting Internet traffic from?<br /> - What do I want that traffic to see?<br /> - What do I want that traffic to do?<br /> - Who makes up that traffic?<br /> <br /> You could easily sell email marketing without a website, but if you&#039;re doing cold email to get clients you&#039;ll need one. I see people selling email marketing on Twitter without websites, someone I saw (can&#039;t find them now) only had a Linktree which led to their Calendly &amp; social media pages</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 145396" data-quote="ngie" data-source="post: 1137836" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1137836" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1137836">ngie said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hello, new here and I may be biased since I&#039;m a graphic designer, but do we really not need a website to get sales?<br /> <br /> I&#039;m not good at outreach, so I&#039;d feel more confident selling if I already have an internet presence (website, content, etc.) so I can attract people who are already interested in what I&#039;m selling (email marketing).<br /> <br /> I&#039;m a bit lost on how to get sales without all the fancy stuff, tbh. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>If I build you a free landing page will you chuck me a testimonial?</div>
 

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