ChatGPT AI is a huge breakthrough, a Google killer

[AceVentures]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 135951" data-quote="Bounce Back" data-source="post: 1127449" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1127449" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1127449">Bounce Back said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> With all due respect I think a lot of people grandstand on AI because they want to beat their chest on philosophical/political/etc. issues. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> What does that mean? To grandstand on AI to beat their chest on issues?<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 135951" data-quote="Bounce Back" data-source="post: 1127449" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1127449" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1127449">Bounce Back said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It doesn&#039;t matter what they think about it philosophically or if they even have the faintest clue of how it works for the market to work and weed out the bogus stuff. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I agree that it doesn&#039;t matter how it works for people to use it - but if you do understand how it works you stand a better chance at making it useful to you.<br /> <br /> If you think AI is coming, and so you better go learn code, but oh that&#039;s too late cause AI is better at you than that, but why even do art, because AI can do that now, and then why do copywriting, because AI can do that, and then why do anything in life because AI, and then as Bryan Johnson recently said in a tweet &quot;AI is going to better at being you than yourself&quot; then you set yourself out to act differently in the world than if you understand what it is.<br /> <br /> I&#039;m offering an insight onto something I find to be important because the language we use to discuss it is still rudimentary.</div>

 

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[Bounce Back]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 66764" data-quote="AceVentures" data-source="post: 1127451" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1127451" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1127451">AceVentures said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What does that mean? To grandstand on AI to beat their chest on issues? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Feel it&#039;s pretty straightforward from what it means but this meme sums it up:<br /> <script class="js-extraPhrases" type="application/json"> { "lightbox_close": "Close", "lightbox_next": "Next", "lightbox_previous": "Previous", "lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.", "lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow", "lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow", "lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen", "lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails", "lightbox_download": "Download", "lightbox_share": "Share", "lightbox_zoom": "Zoom", "lightbox_new_window": "New window", "lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar" } </script> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="t1a807wczmwa1.png" data-src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ft1a807wczmwa1.png&amp;hash=3c93be08f8dc5a3c57614ded84025058" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ft1a807wczmwa1.png&amp;hash=3c93be08f8dc5a3c57614ded84025058" data-url="https://i.redd.it/t1a807wczmwa1.png" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="width: 268px" alt="t1a807wczmwa1.png" title="" width="" height="" loading="lazy" /> </div><br /> And it happens with literally anything that society focuses on at any point. People just want to share their opinions (fanning the flames of gossip) and the social media era has definitely enabled that. For &gt; 99% of people they won&#039;t need to know how AI works they just need to know essentially what <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/23590/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="23590" data-username="@Andy Black">@Andy Black</a> demonstrated, ex: &quot;Can it do this process I did manually in a few hours in a few seconds for me? Cool - I&#039;ll pay for it then&quot;.</div>

 

[AceVentures]

<div class="bbWrapper">What I&#039;m suggesting is that &quot;Artificial Intelligence&quot; is a poor set of words to talk about emergent tech which uses neural networks for processing.<br /> <br /> Let&#039;s call things for what they are instead of some substitute for what we don&#039;t understand. I&#039;m saying if we call something Artificial Intelligence <i>only </i>because we don&#039;t know what it is. If we start learning what it is, it stops bewildering us and it stops being a mystical force destined for the future of mankind. <br /> <br /> On almost every JRE podcast, Joe doesn&#039;t fail to express his idea that man is a cocoon and birthing the AI butterfly. That AI and machines are going to succeed us. That opinion is not uniquely his. It&#039;s a very popular idea and has been conditioned at least all of my own life from the movies in our culture. So that there remains a dystopian idea about the future. And all of that idea is built on the language of &quot;Artificial Intelligence&quot;. If you think that doesn&#039;t make a difference in how a person acts in the world, I disagree with you. I think it does and it does so in such a powerful way that at the very least talking about it is worthwhile.<br /> <br /> I&#039;m learning to make that distinction personally and it&#039;s one I want to share with the forum.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 135951" data-quote="Bounce Back" data-source="post: 1127455" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1127455" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1127455">Bounce Back said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Feel it&#039;s pretty straightforward from what it means but this meme sums it up:<br /> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="t1a807wczmwa1.png" data-src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ft1a807wczmwa1.png&amp;hash=3c93be08f8dc5a3c57614ded84025058" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ft1a807wczmwa1.png&amp;hash=3c93be08f8dc5a3c57614ded84025058" data-url="https://i.redd.it/t1a807wczmwa1.png" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="width: 268px" alt="t1a807wczmwa1.png" title="" width="" height="" loading="lazy" /> </div><br /> And it happens with literally anything that society focuses on at any point. People just want to share their opinions (fanning the flames of gossip) and the social media era has definitely enabled that. For &gt; 99% of people they won&#039;t need to know how AI works they just need to know essentially what <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/23590/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="23590" data-username="@Andy Black">@Andy Black</a> demonstrated, ex: &quot;Can it do this process I did manually in a few hours in a few seconds for me? Cool - I&#039;ll pay for it then&quot;. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I&#039;m not an AI expert man. My daily work revolves around the physical in the purest way. <br /> <br /> This thread is about AI and ChatGPT - so I&#039;m talking about and sharing ideas in relation to how the language about it affects our relationship with it.<br /> <br /> What are you personally upset about here? You&#039;re saying I&#039;m somehow &quot;fanning the flames of gossip&quot; because I&#039;m talking about this stuff?</div>

 

[Bounce Back]

<div class="bbWrapper">Hmm I am now realizing you interpreted the post to be about you - it is not. It is a generality. (Edit to add: And I am not upset in the least).</div>

 

[Gypsy Soul]

<div class="bbWrapper">The only problem I have with ChatGPT is that it can and will sneakily re-assign new variable names, classes and sometimes functions. Then place this modified code toward the bottom of the file. <br /> <br /> Sneaky ChatGPT!<br /> <br /> Choose your GPT wisely.</div>

 

[AceVentures]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 135951" data-quote="Bounce Back" data-source="post: 1127459" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1127459" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1127459">Bounce Back said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hmm I am now realizing you interpreted the post to be about you - it is not. It is a generality. (Edit to add: And I am not upset in the least). </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> You were essentially singling out my (prior 2 pages worth of) discussion on the philosophical aspect of this as some sort of grandstanding and unimportant to 99% of people.<br /> <br /> Or did you just do that and didn&#039;t realize what you were doing?</div>

 

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[Bounce Back]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 66764" data-quote="AceVentures" data-source="post: 1127464" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1127464" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1127464">AceVentures said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> You were essentially singling out my (prior 2 pages worth of) discussion on the philosophical aspect of this as some sort of grandstanding and unimportant to 99% of people.<br /> <br /> Or did you just do that and didn&#039;t realize what you were doing? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I actually didn&#039;t read the extended conversation you had with Andy (I jumped around a lot skimming the thread). I happened to see one of Andy&#039;s response when he wrote:<br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 23590" data-quote="Andy Black" data-source="post: 1126783" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1126783" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1126783">Andy Black said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I&#039;m not so interested in philosophical debates (yet?). I&#039;m more interested in WiiFM ... What&#039;s In It For Me? How can it help me do things more effectively and efficiently. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Which that + a lot of things I am seeing in my LinkedIn feed from people trying to focus their whole personal brand around AI and giving a bunch of hot takes on it was what I was responding to I just didn&#039;t use the quote feature. So my apologies if that was confusing.<br /> <br /> Though reading what you did reply to me in <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/threads/chatgpt-ai-is-a-huge-breakthrough-a-google-killer.106275/post-1127458" class="link link--internal">HOT! - CHAT - ChatGPT AI is a huge breakthrough, a Google killer</a> I feel I agree with you - if someone is going to form grand vision of the future humanity based off of AI they should actually understand it (or what people are calling &quot;AI&quot; currently) and its terms/tech. But if they just want to use it I don&#039;t think they need that understanding is all I was getting at.</div>

 

[MJ DeMarco]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 135951" data-quote="Bounce Back" data-source="post: 1127455" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1127455" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1127455">Bounce Back said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> won&#039;t need to know how AI works they just need to know essentially what @Andy Black demonstrated, ex: &quot;Can it do this process I did manually in a few hours in a few seconds for me? Cool - I&#039;ll pay for it then&quot;. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> ChatGPT gave me the knowledge to convert this forum to a paid resource. I did this entirely on my own w/ChatGPT&#039;s help although the solution is a bit rough around the edges. But it got the job done, and it only took me about 2 hours of prompting. Without this technology, it likely would have taken me weeks-- if at all possible, which is why I gave a transition date in mid-July.<br /> <br /> Worse, I now still need to pay the developer I hired to do it in a more &quot;formal fashion&quot; -- and he is still working on it, and he&#039;s been working on it for two weeks. Had I used ChatGPT first instead of hiring out, it would have spared me this pending cost as well.</div>

 

[G-Man]

<div class="bbWrapper">I wrote 90% of a post trial brief for my lawyer using google and ChatGPT. Saved probably $1,500-$2,000 in billing with 2-3 hours of work.<br /> <br /> IDK if it&#039;s a gamechanger like people think, but I think there&#039;s a ton of potential to pick up found money like that if you&#039;re reasonably smart and patient.<br /> <br /> EDIT: I have no idea how it works, btw. I&#039;m not a sophisticated user. I just put together a skeleton argument, then started playing around with prompts using the case law references from the trial, until the program spit out elegant lawyer-ese.</div>

 

[Raja]

<div class="bbWrapper">I was very skeptical of AI at first and only though of it as helpful tool but after working with claude made me realize how fast things are improving and have a sliver of fear that jobs might be in danger in the future(5 to 10 years).<br /> though hopeful too to make money with new tools and emerging tech.<br /> <br /> I am a software dev and I have studied AI in uni.</div>

 

[Edward Hytcheck]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 66764" data-quote="AceVentures" data-source="post: 1127451" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1127451" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1127451">AceVentures said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> why do anything in life because AI, and then as Bryan Johnson recently said in a tweet &quot;AI is going to better at being you than yourself&quot; </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>If AI is going to be better at being me than I am...<br /> <br /> ... then I&#039;m going to want to pay you to have your AI teach me how to do that.</div>

 

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[Bence Ur]

<div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://explodingtopics.com/blog/chatgpt-accuracy" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">ChatGPT Accuracy Rate (Latest Data)</a><br /> <br /> This is a very interesting article. There is a test called Measuring Massive Multitask Language Understanding, according to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMLU" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Wikipedia</a>: <br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It consists of about 16,000 multiple-choice questions spanning 57 academic subjects including mathematics, philosophy, law, and medicine. It is one of the most commonly used benchmarks for comparing the capabilities of large language models. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Here are the rankings: <a href="https://paperswithcode.com/sota/multi-task-language-understanding-on-mmlu" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Papers with Code - MMLU Benchmark (Multi-task Language Understanding)</a><br /> <br /> Currently Gemini Ultra ~1760B it at the top with 90% accuracy! GPT-4o takes the 2nd spot with 88.7% accuracy.<br /> <br /> And here&#039;s the shocking part from the Wikipedia article: &quot;The developers of the MMLU estimate that human domain-experts achieve around 89.8% accuracy.&quot;<br /> <br /> <b>So now the Gemini Ultra ~1760B and GPT-4o are at the human-level in this test!</b></div>

 

[Bounce Back]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 130397" data-quote="Bence Ur" data-source="post: 1130227" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1130227" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1130227">Bence Ur said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <a href="https://explodingtopics.com/blog/chatgpt-accuracy" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">ChatGPT Accuracy Rate (Latest Data)</a><br /> <br /> This is a very interesting article. There is a test called Measuring Massive Multitask Language Understanding, according to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMLU" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Wikipedia</a>:<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Here are the rankings: <a href="https://paperswithcode.com/sota/multi-task-language-understanding-on-mmlu" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Papers with Code - MMLU Benchmark (Multi-task Language Understanding)</a><br /> <br /> Currently Gemini Ultra ~1760B it at the top with 90% accuracy! GPT-4o takes the 2nd spot with 88.7% accuracy.<br /> <br /> And here&#039;s the shocking part from the Wikipedia article: &quot;The developers of the MMLU estimate that human domain-experts achieve around 89.8% accuracy.&quot;<br /> <br /> <b>So now the Gemini Ultra ~1760B and GPT-4o are at the human-level in this test!</b> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I would say that&#039;s beyond human level already right because that means domain-expert level knowledge of all the domains in the test which surely no human could be (not enough time in the day/memory limitations).</div>

 

[AceVentures]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 130397" data-quote="Bence Ur" data-source="post: 1130227" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1130227" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1130227">Bence Ur said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <a href="https://explodingtopics.com/blog/chatgpt-accuracy" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">ChatGPT Accuracy Rate (Latest Data)</a><br /> <br /> This is a very interesting article. There is a test called Measuring Massive Multitask Language Understanding, according to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMLU" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Wikipedia</a>:<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Here are the rankings: <a href="https://paperswithcode.com/sota/multi-task-language-understanding-on-mmlu" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Papers with Code - MMLU Benchmark (Multi-task Language Understanding)</a><br /> <br /> Currently Gemini Ultra ~1760B it at the top with 90% accuracy! GPT-4o takes the 2nd spot with 88.7% accuracy.<br /> <br /> And here&#039;s the shocking part from the Wikipedia article: &quot;The developers of the MMLU estimate that human domain-experts achieve around 89.8% accuracy.&quot;<br /> <br /> <b>So now the Gemini Ultra ~1760B and GPT-4o are at the human-level in this test!</b> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> The models are trained on particular datasets for these benchmarks.<br /> <br /> The models are achieving accuracy by way of association with the same benchmark test questions - not by way of reasoning.<br /> <br /> If I create a linear regression between a sample dataset and use that linear regression to make projections, I would be able to make accurate projections. That doesn&#039;t mean that linear regression is more intelligent than human beings.<br /> <br /> I might have to just bow out of this thread - no matter what I do I can&#039;t help people understand that these things aren&#039;t actually reasoning.</div>

 

[Bounce Back]

<div class="bbWrapper">I think we were just talking about level of taking that test in specific not reasoning but I could be wrong. I certainly would not argue LLM ai uses reasoning in the way we think a human does so I agree with you there.<br /> <br /> I&#039;m not sure I track your linear regression comment could you give an example of how you would use that to do better in a 16000 question test? Or you are saying if you were given the test before or what?</div>

 

[Panos Daras]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 66764" data-quote="AceVentures" data-source="post: 1130242" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1130242" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1130242">AceVentures said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I might have to just bow out of this thread - no matter what I do I can&#039;t help people understand that these things aren&#039;t actually reasoning. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>What you are saying is 100% correct. AI is indeed based on statistical probability. Despite their limitations, they are very useful. In many cases, the job gets done, which is what matters in the end. Similarly, we could say that computers are based on open and closed switches. They are still useful, nonetheless.</div>

 

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[Bounce Back]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 114807" data-quote="Panos Daras" data-source="post: 1130248" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1130248" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1130248">Panos Daras said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What you are saying is 100% correct. AI is indeed based on statistical probability. Despite their limitations, they are very useful. In many cases, the job gets done, which is what matters in the end. Similarly, we could say that computers are based on open and closed switches. They are still useful, nonetheless. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Interesting - right to push the analogy a bit it&#039;d be like saying &quot;computers don&#039;t conduct mathematical operations better than human ability&quot; because under the hood in someways they do things very different than how you and I would multiply a number for instance. One angle of viewing it is results driven and the other is process.<br /> <br /> Though I get AceVentures 100% because people are very loose with terminology to the point it can create false beliefs about what is going and could impact how people view AI as an &quot;entity&quot; vs. a running process in the future. (I.e. a blender isn&#039;t a better &quot;chef&quot; than you because it made a smoothie quicker or more consistently than you could squish some fruit and ice with your hands).</div>

 

[Bence Ur]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 66764" data-quote="AceVentures" data-source="post: 1130242" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1130242" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1130242">AceVentures said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> The models are trained on particular datasets for these benchmarks.<br /> <br /> The models are achieving accuracy by way of association with the same benchmark test questions - not by way of reasoning.<br /> <br /> If I create a linear regression between a sample dataset and use that linear regression to make projections, I would be able to make accurate projections. That doesn&#039;t mean that linear regression is more intelligent than human beings.<br /> <br /> I might have to just bow out of this thread - no matter what I do I can&#039;t help people understand that these things aren&#039;t actually reasoning. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I said the models are now as intelligent as a human being in this specific test. Of course in other tests humans are still way more smarter than the AI models.</div>

 

[TJH]

<div class="bbWrapper">Here are a couple of recent personal observations with regard to LLMs:<br /> - I am making weekly, if not daily use of chat bots.<br /> - POE, with what seems like a new model every month or so, is open in one of my browser tabs.<br /> - I&#039;ve been experimenting with LM Studio for local chats. The first time I saw this work, I had to disconnect my network connection and really see it work. I added a Nvidia RTX GPU to one computer just so I could speed up LLM responses.<br /> - It&#039;s not helped with my rental property thing I have, but this thing I could (should?) grow. It does help with wage work and other personal interests.<br /> - I&#039;m not ready to give up on people... if anything I have a bit more empathy for people struggling to think through a problem or make a decision, myself included.</div>

 

[Andy Black]

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[Taktik]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23590" data-quote="Andy Black" data-source="post: 1131446" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1131446" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1131446">Andy Black said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> NOW I think it could be a Google killer.<br /> <br /> <br /> <i>&quot;SearchGPT Prototype<br /> <br /> Getting answers on the web can take a lot of effort, often requiring multiple attempts to get relevant results. We believe that by enhancing the conversational capabilities of our models with real-time information from the web, finding what you’re looking for can be faster and easier.&quot;</i><br /> <br /> Link with a little video:<br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="417116" data-url="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ai-innovators-network_%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F-%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F-activity-7222406373249077248-VEyL?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=member_desktop" data-host="www.linkedin.com" data-pending="false"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.licdn.com%2Fscds%2Fcommon%2Fu%2Fimages%2Flogos%2Ffavicons%2Fv1%2Ffavicon.ico&amp;hash=b8ba0cb4b3929198aa32d9e673dabd72&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="www.linkedin.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ai-innovators-network_%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F-%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F-activity-7222406373249077248-VEyL?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=member_desktop" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Sign Up | LinkedIn </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">500 million+ members | Manage your professional identity. Build and engage with your professional network. Access knowledge, insights and opportunities.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.licdn.com%2Fsc%2Fh%2Fal2o9zrvru7aqj8e1x2rzsrca&amp;hash=c61928309cbd9c1fd7ad192fc41fac92&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="www.linkedin.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.linkedin.com </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> So they basically copied <a href="https://www.perplexity.ai/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">perplexity.ai</a>?<br /> Perplexity is my go to website for searches on the web since I found out about it. You get sources and a great overview. I only ever used the free version, which was enough for me so far, but the paid version is even more powerful.</div>

 

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[Andy Black]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 61394" data-quote="Taktik" data-source="post: 1131450" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1131450" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1131450">Taktik said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> So they basically copied <a href="https://www.perplexity.ai/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">perplexity.ai</a>?<br /> Perplexity is my go to website for searches on the web since I found out about it. You get sources and a great overview. I only ever used the free version, which was enough for me so far, but the paid version is even more powerful. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Maybe they copied them, maybe they didn&#039;t. <br /> <br /> I tried Perplexity on my phone but (iirc) I couldn&#039;t create an account easily so gave up.</div>

 

[Bounce Back]

<div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/66764/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="66764" data-username="@AceVentures">@AceVentures</a> saw this and thought of you man: <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07566-y" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">AI models collapse when trained on recursively generated data - Nature</a></div>

 

[MJ DeMarco]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23590" data-quote="Andy Black" data-source="post: 1131446" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1131446" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1131446">Andy Black said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> &quot;SearchGPT Prototype<br /> <br /> Getting answers on the web can take a lot of <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/threads/your-system-is-more-important-than-your-effort.110343/" class="link link--internal">effort</a>, often requiring multiple attempts to get relevant results. We believe that by enhancing the conversational capabilities of our models with real-time information from the web, finding what you’re looking for can be faster and easier.&quot; </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Stands to really disrupt traditional SEO stuff too.</div>

 

[MTF]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1" data-quote="MJ DeMarco" data-source="post: 1131490" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1131490" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1131490">MJ DeMarco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Stands to really disrupt traditional SEO stuff too. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> There&#039;s been no traditional SEO stuff since roughly February of this year, at least not anymore for any content website or blog. As far as I know, it&#039;s now working mostly for e-commerce and B2B, and of course Reddit lol.</div>

 

[AceVentures]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 135951" data-quote="Bounce Back" data-source="post: 1131472" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1131472" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1131472">Bounce Back said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/66764/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="66764" data-username="@AceVentures">@AceVentures</a> saw this and thought of you man: <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07566-y" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">AI models collapse when trained on recursively generated data - Nature</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Interesting paper.<br /> <br /> &quot;We note that access to the original data distribution is crucial: in learning tasks in which the tails of the underlying distribution matter, one needs access to real human-produced data. <br /> <br /> This is precisely what I meant when I wrote this in an earlier post:<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 66764" data-quote="AceVentures" data-source="post: 1126781" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1126781" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1126781">AceVentures said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> [...] I believe these agents can unironically diminish the value of the work by association with other unrelated/incorrect data.<br /> <br /> Are people learning about historical events with it? Are people asking it about weather phenomena? About biology?<b> And how much of the made up shit is possibly paradigm changing in your understanding of the thing?</b> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> &quot;In other words, the use of LLMs at scale to publish content on the Internet will pollute the collection of data to train their successors: data about human interactions with LLMs will be increasingly valuable.&quot;<br /> <br /> I predicted this outcome over a year ago in another AI thread, with the addition of another variable: dollar-driven compute bias.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 66764" data-quote="AceVentures" data-source="post: 1069087" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1069087" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1069087">AceVentures said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I like to think about it the same way I think about other software. Has unique and useful applications in certain instances.<br /> <br /> Having access to a search engine didn&#039;t make me retarded - it helped me swift through Internet Protocols more easily, and subsequently find relevant web-pages that match my topic. On the other hand, abuse of this power results in information throttling by monopolies over the service.<br /> <br /> The bigger question is not whether AI will make people retarded because of it&#039;s use cases, but whether centralization of the force can throttle and manipulate information highways, <b>by design or by bias, and meaningfully change the signal-noise ratio for important topics.</b><br /> <br /> Example: person discovers method of extracting infinite energy from water. But by ease of information production or centralized bias implementation or both, this signal is lost and what&#039;s magnified are corporate interests which meaningfully contribute to the system&#039;s bias coefficients.<br /> <br /> <b>This is already the case with centralized information highways across the internet - the &quot;AI&quot; hype in my personal opinion further polarizes this signal-noise dynamic.</b> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote></div>

 

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[loop101]

<div class="bbWrapper">ChatGPT-01 is supposedly very good at programming tasks.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbMediaWrapper" data-media-site-id="youtube" data-media-key="NbzdCLkFFSk"> <div class="bbMediaWrapper-inner"> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/NbzdCLkFFSk?wmode=opaque" loading="lazy" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe> </div> </div><i><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbzdCLkFFSk" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbzdCLkFFSk</a></span></i><br /> <br /> <br /> <div class="bbMediaWrapper" data-media-site-id="youtube" data-media-key="6xlPJiNpCVw"> <div class="bbMediaWrapper-inner"> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/6xlPJiNpCVw?wmode=opaque" loading="lazy" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe> </div> </div><i><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xlPJiNpCVw" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xlPJiNpCVw</a></span></i></div>

 

[Zardiw]

<div class="bbWrapper">Check out <a href="https://Claude.ai" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Claude</a> ...............better than ChatGPT ...........free for about 5 questions or so.......small monthly fee for more questions.................. Z</div>

 

[Kevin88660]

<div class="bbWrapper">Claude is decent but I am not happy with its inability to surf net and limited usage.<br /> <br /> I have signed up as paid customer for Claude, chatgpt and perplexity.</div>

 

[Kevin88660]

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