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19 years old, Just 1 more step until I'm a Billionaire.

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Ok, I'm back with some more energy and I thought I might try to to add some value to the previous post, but some things didn't sit right when I checked your profile to see if I could get some more insight to hone my advice... Orgazilla.com, your Skype name, seems to be some sort of porn toolbar. Am I wrong?

I did some checking around, and it seems you just beg for money far and wide (I recall seeing $10m, for a business operating a toolbar!). Googling Orgazilla was interesting.

Your posts elsewhere boast of $10 billion (with a "b") returns, and you are delayed by a $15k investment, despite having $5m in funding waiting to go. It sounds like you aren't being straight with us about the funding (I know VCs, I have an MBA and I've started more businesses than you've had birthdays) or you've grossly misunderstood them.

Don't get me wrong. I encourage everyone, but unless you can be straight with us, stop wasting our time. A lot of good people spend their valuable time here to help beginners. I'd imagine the value of the time spent typing this advice to you would already be in the high thousands. If you were bullshitting us the whole time, I'd be very, very pissed, and I'm sure others would be too.

If you are indeed genuine and looking for $15k for development of a toolbar, poach the programmers for a small chunk of equity. $0 cash outlay now, and bingo, 1 toolbar. If they can't do it, find someone who can. They don't have to be the best, they just need to get the job done. When income is coming in, go hire the best.

Finito.
 

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Ok, I'm back with some more energy and I thought I might try to to add some value to the previous post, but some things didn't sit right when I checked your profile to see if I could get some more insight to hone my advice... Orgazilla.com, your Skype name, seems to be some sort of porn toolbar. Am I wrong?

I did some checking around, and it seems you just beg for money far and wide (I recall seeing $10m, for a business operating a toolbar!). Googling Orgazilla was interesting.

Your posts elsewhere boast of $10 billion (with a "b") returns, and you are delayed by a $15k investment, despite having $5m in funding waiting to go. It sounds like you aren't being straight with us about the funding (I know VCs, I have an MBA and I've started more businesses than you've had birthdays) or you've grossly misunderstood them.

Don't get me wrong. I encourage everyone, but unless you can be straight with us, stop wasting our time. A lot of good people spend their valuable time here to help beginners. I'd imagine the value of the time spent typing this advice to you would already be in the high thousands. If you were bullshitting us the whole time, I'd be very, very pissed, and I'm sure others would be too.

If you are indeed genuine and looking for $15k for development of a toolbar, poach the programmers for a small chunk of equity. $0 cash outlay now, and bingo, 1 toolbar. If they can't do it, find someone who can. They don't have to be the best, they just need to get the job done. When income is coming in, go hire the best.

Finito.

I agree with Australianinvestor. Wasting my time on people who are not serious are something I dislike very much. I come in contact with such people all day long. They are like the plague, you can't seem to get rid of them. You are there to make stuff happen and these people just piss all over you. Some people seem to get aroused wasting peoples time. I don't get it...

I am not saying you are like that Smoothplaya, correct us if we are doing hasted decisions about you. But I agree with many people on this thread, you come out a little wrong when quoting billion dollar revenues and valuations like they come with a flick of the finger (which they hardly do unfortunately). Yes you can have a high valuation if you sell small parts of your business for a lot of money, but still you have not recieved any cash infusion from those VC's have you? So the value is not yet real. When the VC's commit on paper, then we have a valuation to talk about even though the valuation is paper only (that is, not money in the bank until conversion time. And when the conversion time comes you may not get that valuation and you cannot forget taxes on capital gains which minimizes what you can get further more).

I am certain this forum can help you out. There are many smart people here, with the "real deal" experience in building businesses and investing in RE and other kinds of investments. If you have never started a company before (as I have come to understand it) you should really listen and test what we mention here. Test it on a micro scale at least.

I would also agree with australianinvestor about getting the programmers/webdesigners to do the designing/programming part in return for some equity in the business. Just get those pre-sale agreements first so as to have some equity in the business (otherwise you will give the company away to the programmers/webdesigners. Not good, obviously). When the programmers/webdesigners owns shares in your company then they might even help you out in the future for free (it really can happen) due to them now having a vested interest in your companies success. I did it with my financial company. I raised the equity (paper) value of my company due to this and I also got partners with the skills I did not possess.

The only loss you can have if you ask and they say no is: some wasted time. But a good time investment is what it is. Because it can save you $15,000. How much time would you need to use for regular work to get that kind of sum? I guess a year perhaps? What is a few minutes of asking around for programming/webdesign in return for equity in the business as a payment? Not much, no? Hell....they may perhaps even say yes:).

Sometimes all you have to do is ask. "Ask and you shall recieve". Isn't that what the Bible says?
 

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Go australianinvestor, Google is very usefull isn't it? This guy didn't sit right with me, and I guess its because he is slick.

Who else has this guy PM'd asking for money? I got one. Sounds like he just wants his $15k, like the Nigerian guys.
 
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I can only imagine that 30,000,000 will switch over to mine in the first year.

I think this is were the problem lies. You are imagining. Does this number have any real plan behind it? How that will happen? What is the strategy? It'd bet this number was pulled out of the air - not based on anything statistical.

What smells fishy to me is this: The numbers as described are simply too round -- like they were picked out of thin-air with no real methodology/logic behind it. It almost sounds like you are trying to perpetrate you own Nigerian scam under the guise of business opportunity.

It has all the ingredients: A fat USD number, a small investment, urgency ...

I think you're trying to pull a fast one, but I hope I am wrong.
 

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I think this is were the problem lies. You are imagining. Does this number have any real plan behind it? How that will happen? What is the strategy? It'd bet this number was pulled out of the air - not based on anything statistical.

What smells fishy to me is this: The numbers as described are simply too round -- like they were picked out of thin-air with no real methodology/logic behind it. It almost sounds like you are trying to perpetrate you own Nigerian scam under the guise of business opportunity.

It has all the ingredients: A fat USD number, a small investment, urgency ...

I think you're trying to pull a fast one, but I hope I am wrong.


No need to be soft. I will stick it out and be a hard butt. It's BS. i see it all the time if it's not a total sham it's someone dreaming. "aww man ima make a billion dollers and cop that ferrari" Dude, seriously. You have no plan and if you actually have a 5M back they wouldnt leave you in the dirt for 15k.

I know you all are being nice but i know your BS meters are blinking and they should be.
 

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This guy contacted me via IM and was asking questions like "Are you a millionaire?" and stuff like that, trying to feel me out for money.

My apologies in advance if this is a real genuine person asking for help, but the fact that he's got no rep points, and I've never seen him even post here before really sets off my BS detector.

$15k is chump change. If you can't raise $15k in an hour, then you you need to take a serious look at your life, and get your stuff together man....

Cheers,

- Hakrjak :Welcome:
 
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Thankfully I didn't receive one of those PM's so I repped him for having the guts to post something so off the wall on an entrepreneur forum, but the more I hear the more I regret doing so b/c while the b.s. meter was blinking, I feel everyone deserves a chance to explain themselves since we are all entrepreneurs and have surely said or done things that made others go "yea right!" or "total b.s.!"

So until he can explain his intentions a little more in-depth I'll have to side with the skeptics.

To smoothplaya himself, if you are indeed legit, don't take any of this as an insult and realize that this is a community willing to help those who are truly seeking help, but at the same time we do not have the patience to deal with anyone trying to pull a fast one.
 

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smoothplaya said:
I'm new to this board. I was wondering if you would make a $15,000 dollar donation to my start up?

Supposedly the above is the PM that was being sent to members. I take issue with the word choice as well ... "Donation" vs "Invest".

So you want free money and not have to pay it back? For what? To start a non profit organization? To help millions? No, you want to make millions.

We donate to charitable causes -- not to individuals who want to make billions of dollars and then not pay it back.

I think the word you should be using is "invest" as that implies accountability and a desire to pay back. Donate implies you are a charity case and based on the story, we see you aren't.

So this whole thing has set off my cynicism meter into new strata.
 

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$15k is chump change. If you can't raise $15k in an hour, then you you need to take a serious look at your life, and get your stuff together man....

Cheers,

- Hakrjak :Welcome:

I definatly need to be taking lessons from you.
 
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I wanted to be the first to call BS when I read the post but you all were being so nice I just couldn't do it. Who in their right mind would invest with someone who publicly announces that they will deal drugs to further their BS. :rofl: If "get rich or die" is your philosophy...I hope you have a nice stay at the drug dealers country club. You've been watching fifty cent too much. I don't believe you for a second. Right mindset, wrong everything else.

Since you are probably only 19 years old as stated I am inclined to cut you some slack. You need to straighten up and fly right. Your thinking is way off track and you will lose if you keep it up.
 

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Thread closed.

The OP has been banned.
 

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I will say the dude is persistent. No skills, but persistent.:thumbsup:
 
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I will say the dude is persistent. No skills, but persistent.:thumbsup:

He is raising money the hard way. If he proved his concept first and contacted an angel investor network with a smart project manager at his side, then he would be more likely to raise some cash. Maybe not a fortune, but atleast some cash to get things rolling along.

I personally don't want to judge him because I don't know the guy and I also know how hard it is when starting out in the startup game. You do these stupid mistakes that are seen with harsh eyes by more seasoned business people. I have done it, I am sure all of you others (people with millionaire status on this forum) have done the same kind of odd mistakes when you started out. If you didn't, good for you. You are bright people. But if you are like normal, deadly people (like myself) you have done your share of mistakes that has been seen as odd or even seen with very harsh and condemning eyes.

The sad part is that this guy wasn't that open to being humble to our good-willed advice. I didn't understand that part. Thought it to be a stupid way for him to go at it.

Well, I hope he learns the basics elsewhere so that he can succeed in a legitimate way. Would be sad to see another energetic guy go down the tubes. Happens all day long.
 

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Very professional

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Very professional thread title. plenty of hilarity inside.
http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/46544-where-F*ck-all-my-investing-a$$-home-slices.html
 

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Fanocks, you really believe he is engaged in some sort of real startup? He is a two-bit scammer. Now he needs money by March? I thought it was December 31st? I thought it was $15K ... now $35K? He's a con artist and there is no business, no plan, no idea.
 
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Ok, I apologize ... perhaps I was wrong ... or is just apart of the scam.

Garrett
hey... what kinda site you got going... I've git way more than 8g's to invest.. i think you're onto somethin

smooothassplaya
are you from wickedfire?

Garrett
I don't frequent there.. but that's where I saw your offer

smooothassplaya
yeah man , its a search engine

Garrett
oh yea? for porn, right?

smooothassplaya
yup

Garrett
cool stuff... I mean... super sexy man.. super sexy

smooothassplaya
with e-mail service and instant messaging for the adult dating website

Garrett
oh is that right?

smooothassplaya
so people can spend less time on the dating site and get straight to action

Garrett
isn't email and IM already plentiful
what are you going to do about your competitors

smooothassplaya
its helpful somewhat...but most people dont like to give out their personal email so people want there own email and there own instant messaging just for dating and for their porno needs

Garrett
sexy man... super sexy... i'm likin' it more and more

smooothassplaya
when my search engine goes up

Garrett
what do you need the 8g's for

smooothassplaya
it will take a shit load of stress of google
gets rid of people ending up at sites they dont wanna be at

Garrett
what do you mean?
I really don't understand, G. Google is quality search traffic

smooothassplaya
I need the 8 grand to finish paying for the search engine

Garrett
did you pay for it?
who did you pay?

smooothassplaya
yeah i already put $2,000 into the project

Garrett
i paid 10 g's for this site right here: smouch.net/lol/
 

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Ok, I apologize ... perhaps I was wrong ... or is just apart of the scam.


Oh theres no doubt he has something started its on his orgazilla site. but he does not know what he is doing. hes asking for money for something that has been done time and time again. he thinks he will take 20M members fom adult friendfinder and "relieve pressure off of google" when his engine starts, LOL.
 
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You know, if he only took that energy and focused it into something productive, perhaps he could create something worth funding.

Spamming forums with these varying beacons of drivel hoping to hook something is not very practical. Why not just put that zeal into his own site? I don't understand some people ...
 

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i paid 10 g's for this site right here: smouch.net/lol/

isn't that the "Rick Roll'd" site- where you click on the link and it plays that Rick Astley video pretty much the whole way through and everytime you try to x it out it just pops up lyrics to the song?

as far as adult websites, while I would never do one myself, apparently people are still making big money off of them, definitely no billionaires like smoothplaya claims he'll become, but plenty of millionaires.

all of his ideas have already been done and if not are probably in the planning phases as we speak, what he doesn't understand is that there are a lot of backdoors you have to go through(no pun intended :p) to get funding and accept payment, I know my old partner's son makes a killing in porn and he needs offshore accounts to avoid the insane fees that stateside merchant accounts charge for transaction fees.
 

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Fanocks, you really believe he is engaged in some sort of real startup? He is a two-bit scammer. Now he needs money by March? I thought it was December 31st? I thought it was $15K ... now $35K? He's a con artist and there is no business, no plan, no idea.

How do we know, really? Please, get me right on this, I am just saying that if he was starting something up then the way he tried to go about raising the money for it was not to his best benefit. I will not judge him, because I don't know the guy.

As I see it, this guy comes of very immature. If he is a con-artist or not is to early to say. Come back when there are real proof that he has scammed someone (taken the money and run). As usual, I only see all these bashing statements about people. They are not in any way helpful and I rather think of them as anti what this forum stands for (see ethical rules of this forum that clearly discusses this matter).

Maybe he is just doing practical jokes on all of us with no intent at all at conning anyone? Seriously. I have run into many of those guys (and still run into such annoying people). They email you and say they are SO interested in your project and then they just waste your time a bit and then dumps your a$$. Hardly con-artist in the true sense of the word (that is: taking the money and run), but still really annoying.

Ultimately: Yes, I think he is a moron. Yes, I think he is immature. And yes, I think he is just joking around with no intent on ever scamming anyone (maybe he is a socialist or anti-capitalist. They seem to thrive on joking with capitalistic individuals like ourselfs. I live in Sweden, well I live in England at the moment though, for crying out loud. My whole country has had socialistic rulership since the dinousaur age to be extreme with words. I would know for sure how those people behave around people with money).

I may be wrong, sure. But I wont be a part of the pre-judgement crowd. I dislike bashing people (for the sake of doing it) just as much as I dislike scamsters and fraudsters. Both of these crowds destroy for serious entrepreneurs with dreams, for entrepreneurs who wants to build something of value for the future generation. Both of these crowds destroys many opportunities. So please, raise your level. That is why we are all here, right?

One way of avoiding such people (like the guy we are now discussing) is to raise the qualification level for this forum. Wouldn't that be a constructive and positive way of avoiding this to happen in the future? Because this will not be the last time we will be in this kind of debate. It will happen again and again and again until the qualification routines becomes more strict.
 

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There are a few entrepreneurial forums I've belonged to in the past where there was a complete sub-forum just for people to pitch their ideas for potential investors. I've always thought of the Fastlane as something much more than that. To prevent spammers you can just ban all threads pitching an idea/looking for money. But for me, as long as I can still make threads about my ideas and receive advice for bootstrapping, I'm not going to need a sub-forum for investors.
 
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How do we know, really?

You're probably right ... this character is most likely guilty of naivety vs. scammage. No need for any more.
 
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