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She Left a $60k Job to Freelance (with a twist)..

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My wife isn't a member on this board, so I'm posting for her.

Back in February, she started freelancing. She's never had a side hustle. Never started a business. Never freelanced. She had a $60k salary at her full-time job. In her first month freelancing, she closed around $100 and doubted it was worth her time. Toward the end of March, when the pandemic picked up, she asked her employer to let her work from home. They refused. She quit.

Now we're in November. She never went back to a job. Instead, this month she'll pull $4,500 and may break $5,000 for the first time. Over the course of one year, she's doubled her income about once every three months. Today she works from home with me full-time and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't impressed.

She has the advantage of being around someone with a business mindset who trains freelancers. But I've provided little overall support in terms of advice. She simply hasn't asked for it, except when she's really stuck. Instead, she just looks at what others are doing and figures out how to be better.

The most noticeable takeaways I've seen from her progress are:
  • She went all-in even when she didn't know if it would work
  • She focused on daily action
  • She studied others and tested new ideas
  • She got rid of stuff that didn't work fast
  • She's committed to excellence in her deliverables
  • She committed to doing things others won't do to land clients
  • She took risks instead of cowering from them
  • She stuck with it for the long-haul
This month will be the first time she's fully replaced her old income. I don't think she'll stop there. Instead, she's likely to cross six-figures in 2021, and I think she'll see a 5-figure monthly income by March. She loves what she's doing, and when she commits to something, she has a one-track mind that lets her stay focused.

Anyway, thought I'd share this win this morning. It's pretty cool that we both work on our own terms, and neither of us works anywhere near full-time. She works a couple of hours per day, and I don't consider what I do to be work. Most days we spend with our daughter. Teach her things. Go to the park or for ice cream while others are at work.

Freelancing is still viable as a way to replace income. Doesn't have to be through Upwork. You just have to commit to figuring it out and make it happen. Stop making excuses.
 
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Hey @Lex DeVille ,
mind sharing with us what channels she used?

also for my niche specifically Upwork have a very poor quality of the jobs, do you have suggestions for a non-US resident.
 

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Hey @Lex DeVille ,
mind sharing with us what channels she used?

also for my niche specifically Upwork have a very poor quality of the jobs, do you have suggestions for a non-US resident.

She started on Upwork, then took clients through referrals from other clients. Most of her clients are from referrals now, and are not through Upwork.

As for advice, if you know the jobs on Upwork are poor quality for your niche, then you either pick a different niche, learn a different skill, or find clients outside of Upwork. Has nothing to do with where you are from.
 
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First, I believe this is possible for anybody. Your threads are Gold for a reason- they’ve helped a ton of people. I think a lot of people need more than just encouragement though so I’m gonna ask a few questions if you don’t mind.

If she had a 60k job before freelancing most ppl will just assume she had skills in something before launching out on her own. She probably didn’t have to learn how to do whatever it is she’s helping clients with. Or am I wrong?

“She studied others..” Does this mean she looked at other people’s profiles on Upwork abd created her own like theirs or something else? I just don’t get exactly what that part looks like.
 

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First, I believe this is possible for anybody. Your threads are Gold for a reason- they’ve helped a ton of people. I think a lot of people need more than just encouragement though so I’m gonna ask a few questions if you don’t mind.

If she had a 60k job before freelancing most ppl will just assume she had skills in something before launching out on her own. She probably didn’t have to learn how to do whatever it is she’s helping clients with. Or am I wrong?

“She studied others..” Does this mean she looked at other people’s profiles on Upwork abd created her own like theirs or something else? I just don’t get exactly what that part looks like.

No worries. Ask away. I don't have the full details of everything she has done to get to this point, because I mostly stay out of her business unless she has specific questions. But I can answer based on my observations.

My wife has an Associates degree in Financial Management and a Bachelor's degree in Accounting. She previously worked as a Financial Management Comptroller for the Air Force, a Budget Analyst for the federal government, and finally as a Budget Analyst for a local company when we relocated. In short, she's packed with experience and education.

But her freelance skill has nothing to do with any of those. She started with a new skill and learned from scratch. I won't say which skill because she asked me not to, and she will read this thread at some point. But I can say that it is a skill she has never done before. She wanted a fresh start.

Studying others can mean a lot of things. In this case, as far as I know, she reviewed profiles, and more recently has spent time learning how others are using social media platforms like twitter, reddit, and linkedin to promote their services.

She's looking at people who offer the same service, and trying to identify their shortcomings. She's also used this to identify a niche she can serve within the industry and has stuck closely to that niche offering 2-3 core services to attract clients, then works hard to overdeliver when she lands one.

When she studies other people, she tries to identify what doesn't work that she can improve, and what does work that she can piggyback off of. I hope that answers your question.
 

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It does. Thank you!

It's also worth mentioning that she's started to expand beyond direct client services through her website to more scalable recurring revenue models. This is part of the amounts indicated in the first post. She can help more people with her paid membership, and cut back on the work she has to do to maintain current income levels while she grows.
 

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It's also worth mentioning that she's started to expand beyond direct client services through her website to more scalable recurring revenue models. This is part of the amounts indicated in the first post. She can help more people with her paid membership, and cut back on the work she has to do to maintain current income levels while she grows.
Yep, she’s amazing. You should keep her. Lol.
 

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Well that's something!

Congrats to your wife.

I have been toying with the idea of learning a new skill from scratch AND working for free for forum members in the beginning.

This has inspired me to go forward with that. I'll post a thread soon with the details.
 

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My wife isn't a member on this board, so I'm posting for her.
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Freelancing is still viable as a way to replace income. Doesn't have to be through Upwork. You just have to commit to figuring it out and make it happen. Stop making excuses.
Hey Lex, congratulations to your wife and always a delight when I hear a husband praise his wife

You rock, dude!!
Cheers, Z'da
 

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Admirable!
 

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Awesome advice and your wife is an example of the correct mindset to have! Thank you for sharing this, it's inspiring!
 

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Send this thread to my girlfriend, she is one or two steps away from starting freelancing on her own, maybe it helps her to believe. Thanks for sharing Lex!
 

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My wife isn't a member on this board, so I'm posting for her.

Back in February, she started freelancing. She's never had a side hustle. Never started a business. Never freelanced. She had a $60k salary at her full-time job. In her first month freelancing, she closed around $100 and doubted it was worth her time. Toward the end of March, when the pandemic picked up, she asked her employer to let her work from home. They refused. She quit.

Now we're in November. She never went back to a job. Instead, this month she'll pull $4,500 and may break $5,000 for the first time. Over the course of one year, she's doubled her income about once every three months. Today she works from home with me full-time and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't impressed.

She has the advantage of being around someone with a business mindset who trains freelancers. But I've provided little overall support in terms of advice. She simply hasn't asked for it, except when she's really stuck. Instead, she just looks at what others are doing and figures out how to be better.

The most noticeable takeaways I've seen from her progress are:
  • She went all-in even when she didn't know if it would work
  • She focused on daily action
  • She studied others and tested new ideas
  • She got rid of stuff that didn't work fast
  • She's committed to excellence in her deliverables
  • She committed to doing things others won't do to land clients
  • She took risks instead of cowering from them
  • She stuck with it for the long-haul
This month will be the first time she's fully replaced her old income. I don't think she'll stop there. Instead, she's likely to cross six-figures in 2021, and I think she'll see a 5-figure monthly income by March. She loves what she's doing, and when she commits to something, she has a one-track mind that lets her stay focused.

Anyway, thought I'd share this win this morning. It's pretty cool that we both work on our own terms, and neither of us works anywhere near full-time. She works a couple of hours per day, and I don't consider what I do to be work. Most days we spend with our daughter. Teach her things. Go to the park or for ice cream while others are at work.

Freelancing is still viable as a way to replace income. Doesn't have to be through Upwork. You just have to commit to figuring it out and make it happen. Stop making excuses.

Congrats to the both of you, Lex and wife, for your accomplishments.
That's really inspiring and admirable.

Do you think you or your wife can perhaps suggest what you think would be the most viable freelancing gigs (say, top 3) that would help me begin generating income sooner rather than later, and that will continue to be scalable and sought-after? I've seen so many on those on the "Best ideas ..." lists, but I'm still at a standstill.

I have a 16-month little girl, which is my main motivation to provide for her and my wife much more than what we have today.

Thanks in advance if you can help.

EnGo.
 

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Congrats to the both of you, Lex and wife, for your accomplishments.
That's really inspiring and admirable.

Do you think you or your wife can perhaps suggest what you think would be the most viable freelancing gigs (say, top 3) that would help me begin generating income sooner rather than later, and that will continue to be scalable and sought-after? I've seen so many on those on the "Best ideas ..." lists, but I'm still at a standstill.

I have a 16-month little girl, which is my main motivation to provide for her and my wife much more than what we have today.

Thanks in advance if you can help.

EnGo.

Any form of marketing or web/app development will continue to be in-demand for the foreseeable future. I don't know much about the different coding languages, but anyone who can code/create niche software, or who specializes in using niche software stands a chance to carve out a good position for themselves.

Either be the person who can build the next ActiveCampaign (SAAS), or be the person who knows how to use it a little bit better than everyone else. Both of those people are indispensable in the freelance world and can scale to the moon with many clients, or with just a few clients who pay a lot of money to solve their problem.

A couple of things to consider though:

1. Scalable skills may not necessarily be the fastest to make money with.
2. Where money comes easy, there is usually more competition.
3. It's scary going the niche route, and even though it's usually a faster path to success as a freelancer, most people won't even try it to find out if it works for them.

If I started over today, I would offer custom email funnel automation services, not copywriting or web design. Doesn't have to be through ActiveCampaign, but that's where I would specialize since I have years of experience there. All of the email marketing services have hundreds of thousands of users though, and all of those people need someone who specializes in their particular system to help them set it up, fix problems, or manage it so they don't have to.
 
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Any form of marketing or web/app development will continue to be in-demand for the foreseeable future. I don't know much about the different coding languages, but anyone who can code/create niche software, or who specializes in using niche software stands a chance to carve out a good position for themselves.

Either be the person who can build the next ActiveCampaign (SAAS), or be the person who knows how to use it a little bit better than everyone else. Both of those people are indispensable in the freelance world and can scale to the moon with many clients, or with just a few clients who pay a lot of money to solve their problem.

A couple of things to consider though:

1. Scalable skills may not necessarily be the fastest to make money with.
2. Where money comes easy, there is usually more competition.
3. It's scary going the niche route, and even though it's usually a faster path to success as a freelancer, most people won't even try it to find out if it works for them.

If I started over today, I would offer custom email funnel automation services, not copywriting or web design. Doesn't have to be through ActiveCampaign, but that's where I would specialize since I have years of experience there. All of the email marketing services have hundreds of thousands of users though, and all of those people need someone who specializes in their particular system to help them set it up, fix problems, or manage it so they don't have to.

Hi, Lex.

Thanks for your prompt response and for the insightful tips.
I truly appreciate it.
Enjoy the holidays.
Cheers!
 

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I applaud your wife. Tell her congrats from me.

I only clicked for the title though, well done @Lex DeVille .
 

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When I started this thread, I said:

Freelancing is still viable as a way to replace income. Doesn't have to be through Upwork. You just have to commit to figuring it out and make it happen. Stop making excuses.

I also said my wife started on Upwork and that was true. I went on to describe how she moved away from Upwork, and the types of things she branched into. But I was also vague about those things because if I got into specifics, the conversation would change from "this is so inspiring" to a much different one.

Over the past several months I've dropped little hints here and there about what we've been up to. Now I'm going to reveal the whole picture because she gave me her blessing and because I'm going to start a separate progress thread eventually.

Warning: This May Prove Too Scandalous For Some Of You

So here's what she's been up to.

My Wife's OnlyFans Business
She started as a freelancer on Upwork but decided to launch an OnlyFans on my suggestion. She was creating adult content for free already, so having an OF account just made sense. At first, she was selling content and products for individual customers (another type of freelance) but soon recurring subscriptions became her primary source of income. From there, she expanded with other products and services for her user base.

Becoming a Mini-Celebrity
By constantly adjusting her marketing and promotions and doing what other models won't, she grew fast. She dropped from the top 50% to the top 20% to the top 5% and now she is in the top 1% of all creators with just under 1,000 paid subscribers. Additionally, she achieved mini-celebrity status on a major adult forum which gave her a nice boost.

Hovering Just Under Six-Figures
She didn't cross the 5-figure mark in March like I expected, but her income is fluctuating between about $6,500 and $8,000 per month. $8,333 is the per month mark for six figures if I remember correctly.

Expanding
She may come in here and talk about this soon, currently, she's working on ways to grow this to the next level. She's in the process of hiring one or more VAs, expanding to multiple platforms beyond OnlyFans, and looking at ways to improve her workflow for speed and efficiency.

So that's the thread's big twist.

We probably could've picked up without all of this explanation, but I felt like this needed to be clarified to avoid any misunderstandings or hurt feelings.

If you have any questions just ask. :)
 
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When I started this thread, I said:



I also said my wife started on Upwork and that was true. I went on to describe how she moved away from Upwork, and the types of things she branched into. But I was also vague about those things because if I got into specifics, the conversation would change from "this is so inspiring" to a much different one.

Over the past several months I've dropped little hints here and there about what we've been up to. Now I'm going to reveal the whole picture because she gave me her blessing and because I'm going to start a separate progress thread eventually.

Warning: This May Prove Too Scandalous For Some Of You

So here's what she's been up to.

My Wife's OnlyFans Business
She started as a freelancer on Upwork but decided to launch an OnlyFans on my suggestion. She was creating adult content for free already, so having an OF account just made sense. At first, she was selling content and products for individual customers (another type of freelance) but soon recurring subscriptions became her primary source of income. From there, she expanded with other products and services for her user base.

Becoming a Mini-Celebrity
By constantly adjusting her marketing and promotions and doing what other models won't, she grew fast. She dropped from the top 50% to the top 20% to the top 5% and now she is in the top 1% of all creators with just under 1,000 paid subscribers. Additionally, she achieved mini-celebrity status on a major adult forum which gave her a nice boost.

Hovering Just Under Six-Figures
She didn't cross the 5-figure mark in March like I expected, but her income is fluctuating between about $6,500 and $8,000 per month. $8,333 is the per month mark for six figures if I remember correctly.

Expanding
She may come in here and talk about this soon, currently, she's working on ways to grow this to the next level. She's in the process of hiring one or more VAs, expanding to multiple platforms beyond OnlyFans, and looking at ways to improve her workflow for speed and efficiency.

So that's the thread's big twist.

We probably could've picked up without all of this explanation, but I felt like this needed to be clarified to avoid any misunderstandings or hurt feelings.

If you have any questions just ask. :)
Thanks lex for posting this
 

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When I started this thread, I said:



I also said my wife started on Upwork and that was true. I went on to describe how she moved away from Upwork, and the types of things she branched into. But I was also vague about those things because if I got into specifics, the conversation would change from "this is so inspiring" to a much different one.

Over the past several months I've dropped little hints here and there about what we've been up to. Now I'm going to reveal the whole picture because she gave me her blessing and because I'm going to start a separate progress thread eventually.

Warning: This May Prove Too Scandalous For Some Of You

So here's what she's been up to.

My Wife's OnlyFans Business
She started as a freelancer on Upwork but decided to launch an OnlyFans on my suggestion. She was creating adult content for free already, so having an OF account just made sense. At first, she was selling content and products for individual customers (another type of freelance) but soon recurring subscriptions became her primary source of income. From there, she expanded with other products and services for her user base.

Becoming a Mini-Celebrity
By constantly adjusting her marketing and promotions and doing what other models won't, she grew fast. She dropped from the top 50% to the top 20% to the top 5% and now she is in the top 1% of all creators with just under 1,000 paid subscribers. Additionally, she achieved mini-celebrity status on a major adult forum which gave her a nice boost.

Hovering Just Under Six-Figures
She didn't cross the 5-figure mark in March like I expected, but her income is fluctuating between about $6,500 and $8,000 per month. $8,333 is the per month mark for six figures if I remember correctly.

Expanding
She may come in here and talk about this soon, currently, she's working on ways to grow this to the next level. She's in the process of hiring one or more VAs, expanding to multiple platforms beyond OnlyFans, and looking at ways to improve her workflow for speed and efficiency.

So that's the thread's big twist.

We probably could've picked up without all of this explanation, but I felt like this needed to be clarified to avoid any misunderstandings or hurt feelings.

If you have any questions just ask. :)
Thats great!
edith: a friend is looking for a similar opportunity. And that OnlyFans looks like a perfect way. I m looking forward for more information!
 
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Wow, so we went from it doesnt matter if you're in India, Poland or Baltimore. Who you are, what race... Work hard and you can be successful freelancing.

Then it turns out she made money heavily based off the sex/tricking industry which is heavily heavily female dominated and extremely based upon biology(looks).

But I respect it. Though someone who got pumped reading this at the start trying to be a javascript freelancer when people out east do the same work for $1/hour would be disappointed to find this out..

I flipped clips in the kink scene. Lot's of money to be made there and frankly people forget anything related to sex will always make money. But seeing as I've been doing that since before even instagram was big for tricking I see the direction it's going.

Onlyfans is super saturated now so you better know how to market (Like LEx said) and with more and more women getting into it you better be young or be catering to some kind of kink. There are women making a killing of all ages but they usually do findom related videos, bathroom (use your imagination), swallow... things on camera, do pet play, that type of stuff.

Plenty money to be made in it but seeing the direction we are going I'd kinda cower at the thought of what my SO would be doing for it. Back even in 2016 women selling grool vials and eating dog food for money wouldve been seen as extreme. Now you can pay 15 bucks to see a woman go number 2.

Sex industry is no different than any economy. Once the supply comes and the demand doesnt match you gotta lower prices and get more creative. Kudos to your wife. And youre one very open minded husband to be down with this scene in 2021 lol

But hey its a buyers market im not complaining. You have a strong pimp game. Though do know as most women age they tend to lose a lot of the clout they had unless they niche down to a kink. Advice id give. Seen many many models go from a mini celeb to twerking and busting their a$$ (figuratively) for 10 bucks cause they didnt change their niche and/or get into something else while hot. Especially after 25 years old, 30 years old last stop, by 35 most are gone. Unless she's thicc or something, and even then so many girls getting into this even they dont keep the throne long anymore. Especially with the rise of Asian women getting into this.
 
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Wow, so we went from it doesnt matter if you're in India, Poland or Baltimore. Who you are, what race... Work hard and you can be successful freelancing.

Then it turns out she made money heavily based off the sex/tricking industry which is heavily heavily female dominated and extremely based upon biology(looks).

But I respect it. Though someone who got pumped reading this at the start trying to be a javascript freelancer when people out east do the same work for $1/hour would be disappointed to find this out..

I flipped clips in the kink scene. Lot's of money to be made there and frankly people forget anything related to sex will always make money. But seeing as I've been doing that since before even instagram was big for tricking I see the direction it's going.

Onlyfans is super saturated now so you better know how to market (Like LEx said) and with more and more women getting into it you better be young or be catering to some kind of kink. There are women making a killing of all ages but they usually do findom related videos, bathroom (use your imagination), swallow... things on camera, do pet play, that type of stuff.

Plenty money to be made in it but seeing the direction we are going I'd kinda cower at the thought of what my SO would be doing for it. Back even in 2016 women selling grool vials and eating dog food for money wouldve been seen as extreme. Now you can pay 15 bucks to see a woman go number 2.

Sex industry is no different than any economy. Once the supply comes and the demand doesnt match you gotta lower prices and get more creative. Kudos to your wife. And youre one very open minded husband to be down with this scene in 2021 lol

But hey its a buyers market im not complaining. You have a strong pimp game. Though do know as most women age they tend to lose a lot of the clout they had unless they niche down to a kink. Advice id give. Seen many many models go from a mini celeb to twerking and busting their a$$ (figuratively) for 10 bucks cause they didnt change their niche and/or get into something else while hot. Especially after 25 years old, 30 years old last stop, by 35 most are gone. Unless she's thicc or something, and even then so many girls getting into this even they dont keep the throne long anymore. Especially with the rise of Asian women getting into this.

"Work hard and be successful at freelancing" - that was never the message of this thread. If that was your takeaway, then you misinterpreted the thread from the start.

If someone is disappointed because they wanted freelance hand-holding, they could try any of my numerous GOLD and Notable freelance hand-holding threads or even my YouTube freelance hand-holding channel or perhaps the free freelance discord server where I help freelancers every single day that is listed in my signature.

Some of your statements are not completely false, but there is a lot of misinformation in your post. My best guess is that it is a subliminal manifestation of insecurities/inadequacies.
  • Hard work does not = success
  • Some people charging low rates does not mean others can't charge high rates
  • More people on OnlyFans/Upwork does not mean either is saturated
  • Being female might have perks, but it doesn't make or break the business model
  • Being older does not mean a model can't continue a successful career
  • Doing the filthiest kink does not guarantee money
  • Just because this thread's definition of freelancing expands beyond your own definition, does not mean that it is not about freelancing. The same skills that make any freelancer successful apply here as well.
I notice you said "I flipped clips in the kink scene. Lots of money to be made there" instead of saying, "I made lots of money flipping clips in the kink scene." I don't know if you'll try to walk those words back, but it won't change the reality that was already revealed.

The fact is, all business is hard. All entrepreneurs must constantly adapt and evolve their processes and approaches if they want to stay relevant and profitable. The people who will make it... will make it. Those who make excuses, won't.

Don't hate the player. Hate the game. :cool:
 

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The facts are; that your wife works part-time hours to get full-time pay. That's a successful business model in my book, doesn't matter if she is in a "saturated market" or not or whether she's flipping burgers or doing OF.

In response to @Prince33 I was saddened by your response to finding out that Lex's wife was making money from OF. It seems to me that she is a shining example of how you can be successful freelancing. I believe that she found a need and managed to meet that need even though there is a massive amount of people on that platform. Not only meeting that need; but doing what everyone on this platform is here to do. Leveraging their time so that they can make money doing less than what they were doing at their jobs and living the dream. Though I think you are partly correct...There is some truth in what you have said about the pitfalls of that industry I agree. However, his wife managed to overcome those through business acumen and wit. I think we could all learn something here from her story.

I relate to the story overall because my wife has found success as a twitch streamer even though that market is also "saturated". I have watched her go through the same process that it seems Lex's wife has and I have much respect for what she has done.

I have witnessed her do hours of research and setting up the stream environment, marketing on different platforms to increase traffic, managing her mods on her community that she has built from scratch, researching the best times to post on tic-tok, spending hours filming said tik-toks and finding ideas to keep producing content. At the same time as all that she has to deliver on every stream a personable attitude and engaging with all of the people that enter. She has created a productocracy and it has shot her to the top quickly because of all of those same qualities that Lex's wife has displayed.

I would not be so quick to denigrate someone on the type of work they do... It is always the results and the dedication that matters most.
In three months I have seen her rise to the top 1.2% of streamers as of last night when we checked the numbers. Something that has taken her friends on there three years to do she has accomplished in a matter of months.
 

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I would not be so quick to denigrate someone on the type of work they do... It is always the results and the dedication that matters most.
No it isn't, you both shot off at Prince for offering what is a fairly reasoned view on the market because it's now personal for you both and clearly an emotional subject.

I cast no judgement, my network does all sorts of stuff and a few of my closest friends have been on the cam girl and onlyfans promotion scene for a long time - but the type of work people do does matter to people outside of your sandbox in America.

My friends as an example have found it surprisingly difficult to maneuver in deeply religious countries despite their wealth and the past has followed a few of the girls too - not just crazed stalkers etc that you have to deal with - but also access to traditional opportunities - remember that in a woman's world reputation destruction is the war game as Jordan Peterson likes to quip - so to act as though there's not another side to the industry is biased, and one would say understandably so in your cases.

However stating that the results are more important than the type of work a person does is a slippery slope.

But that's probably me manifesting some deep seated subliminal insecurities and/or inadequacies ;)
 
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No it isn't, you both shot off at Prince for offering what is a fairly reasoned view on the market because it's now personal for you both and clearly an emotional subject.

I cast no judgement, my network does all sorts of stuff and a few of my closest friends have been on the cam girl and onlyfans promotion scene for a long time - but the type of work people do does matter to people outside of your sandbox in America.

My friends as an example have found it surprisingly difficult to maneuver in deeply religious countries despite their wealth and the past has followed a few of the girls too - not just crazed stalkers etc that you have to deal with - but also access to traditional opportunities - remember that in a woman's world reputation destruction is the war game as Jordan Peterson likes to quip - so to act as though there's not another side to the industry is biased, and one would say understandably so in your cases.

However stating that the results are more important than the type of work a person does is a slippery slope.

But that's probably me manifesting some deep seated subliminal insecurities and/or inadequacies ;)
Actually, I don't think that's a manifestation of something deeper I think that's a perfectly rational viewpoint. I'm a fan of Peterson myself and I think that he is absolutely right about that. Though I will say that due to those viewpoints in highly religious countries are the reasons that we would never move there or visit.

Now thinking about it I would say it is a somewhat slippery slope to say results are more important than the type of work. The most successful meth dealer in the world would not be someone to look up to for advice or otherwise so in terms of that, I think you are right.

Though I still stand by the instances of my wife and Lex's that it is still something to be admired.
(I would like to clarify though that my wife's streams are not sexual in nature)
 

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Any social media freelancing is heavily dependent on looks. Sorry just the way it is. A middle age man can have the best marketing and do the most research but I doubt he'll rise to the 1% on onlyfans. Women dominate those spaces because men are willing to pay for the eye candy.
 

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