The Worldwide C0VlD-19 Coronavirus Pandemic Discussion Thread...

[tpf]

@Andy Black you can check the UK government figures for Corona virus here:

ArcGIS Dashboards

ArcGIS Dashboards

www.arcgis.com

It has a handy map so you can tell whats going on in each local authority area. The numbers are delayed, I think by a day, "to enable verification of cases" but I also think its to stop people panicking when the numbers spike.

The general situation around us feels calm. There are some gaps on supermarket shelves and on social media people have reported difficulties booking a slot for food deliveries, but where we are its OK.

I get the feeling that the NHS is battening down the hatches. As far as I can tell from my doctor friends, all none essential things have been halted - including in some places walk in appointments at GP surgeries, so they can prepare for whats coming. They are even going to be let of some of the NHS paperwork!

There's cobra committee meeting going on right now (that's the UK government committee that responds to emergencies) with stories going around that they are thinking about closing UK schools for a month: Schools 'on alert as they could close for a month' due to coronavirus

 

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[VDP]

Finally, something happening in the Netherlands:

- Don't go outside if you are even a little bit sick
- No gatherings over 100 people
- Lower social contacts were possible
- Work home if possible
- Schools stay open because of all the parents that would need to take care of their kids derailing the economy while the kids have a low risk. University should be mostly online.

Interested in what will happen with my law exams at the end of this months. Normally we are in big rooms with 500 people at a time taking the test. That won't happen at least.

 

[GIlman]

One of the things I believe is happening, is social proof ping pong, and this cycle may be heard to break. China started the process, they got the juju and went into full lock down.

No one really knows how to respond to this, so what we are doing is copying the most extreme elements of response when things get to the point that the collective mentality of the public hits the panic button.

I expect this to accelerate for quite a long time. At what time does it become politically possible to just say, heck it’s everywhere, so all the things that were necessary yesterday aren’t required today, even though the situation is worse now than then.

I just wonder how governments back off the accelerator of isolationism in the face of a growing pandemic.

 

[BellaPippin]

Interesting

 

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[AllenCrawley]

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Interesting

Some people do all of the above.

 

[BellaPippin]

Some people do all of the above.

Yeah, it's a bit of an oversimplification lol

 

[Jakeeck]

In January, my entire household got wiped out with a sickness that lasted for three weeks. Vicious, headaches, cough and cold, respiratory system. We all got over it but it was one of the worst sicknesses any of us have ever had. Tested for the flu but the test came back negative.

A client of mine went down for an entire month and was on a respirator in his home. Also got tested for flu and turned up negative. Said he suspected it was Corona but nobody would test him for it even though he went to emergency room twice.

Says he felt like he was going to die and that he has lost all faith in our medical system.

Still has fluid in his lungs and breathing trouble but is getting better. Early 30s age. Minnesota. He went down end of Jan/early Feb.

 

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[JAJT]

Ottawa, Ontario got our first case!

Kind of surprised it took this long, given that Toronto and Montreal both had cases for a while now and we're smack dab in the middle of them both. Also these three cities have quite extensive casual travel between them - especially for shopping, sports events, concerts, leisure, etc. I have to imagine we had it at basically the same time as either of them did.

Upside - there is toilet paper fully stocked at the local grocery store as of yesterday. So people haven't escalated from sanitizer hoarding - yet!

 

[Vigilante]

Our local Walmart

 

[• nikita •]

Why do people worry about wiping their a$$ in a pandemic so much. Cut up some newspapers or something. Use water if it gets that dire.

 

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[ShamanKing]

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Our local Walmart

If you want hand sanitizer check your local Autozone.

 

[biggeemac]

I am making my final online orders before the shitstorm.... dehydrated potatoes, fruit drink packets, and bread pans. Think we’re ready for a couple of months. I think the 10+ years of learning to cook, and grow food might finally pay off. Bought a bag of onions to freeze. Cut the ends off and stick them in a little water and sun..... they’ll turn into green onions.

 

[GIlman]

I am making my final online orders before the shitstorm.... dehydrated potatoes, fruit drink packets, and bread pans. Think we’re ready for a couple of months. I think the 10+ years of learning to cook, and grow food might finally pay off. Bought a bag of onions to freeze. Cut the ends off and stick them in a little water and sun..... they’ll turn into green onions.

@biggeemac

I posted this before, but this was before a lot of people were considering prepping. I grew up Mormon, they have fantastic food storage centers much cheaper than almost anywhere on most things, don’t buy the honey, Costco is much cheaper.

price list is on this link.

Find a Home Storage Center

Find a Home Storage Center

providentliving.churchofjesuschrist.org

EDIT: wow never mind. Too late. Prices are now 2-6x what they were 10 days ago.

 

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[Bekit]

... and then I thought I'd pop to the local Aldi as we're due the weekly grocery shop anyway.

Dayum... there was a queue of cars to get into the supermarket carpark, and then no trolleys. Five aisles with 10-20 people in them. I think there was probably over 100 people indoors there.

Time to batten down the hatches.

*EDIT* The following video may not be associated with the current situation.

A friend of mine in Spain shared this video of people flooding into an Aldi. Boggles my mind.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=245115343350889

View: https://www.facebook.com/Tegustalosabeslose/videos/245115343350889/

One of the things I believe is happening, is social proof ping pong, and this cycle may be heard to break. China started the process, they got the juju and went into full lock down.

No one really knows how to respond to this, so what we are doing is copying the most extreme elements of response when things get to the point that the collective mentality of the public hits the panic button.

That's a really good observation. I'm sure this effect will be studied on more than one PhD thesis in the future.

I expect this to accelerate for quite a long time. At what time does it become politically possible to just say, heck it’s everywhere, so all the things that were necessary yesterday aren’t required today, even though the situation is worse now than then.

Sacramento has already started this.

Sacramento County Announces Shift Away From Quarantines In Coronavirus Mitigation Efforts

Sacramento County is moving away from 14-day quarantines for people who have been in contact with someone with the novel coronavirus, officials announced Monday.

sacramento.cbslocal.com

"In a press release, County officials said, “it is no longer necessary for someone who has been in contact with someone with C0VlD-19 to quarantine for 14 days.” This new rule applies to the general public, including health care workers and first responders, but if a person develops respiratory symptoms they are asked to stay home.

Vulnerable populations, including elderly people and people with chronic health conditions, are encouraged to stay home and stay away from crowded social gatherings to protect themselves."

In other words... "We're not going to protect the general public by quarantining people who might be spreading the disease, so if you think you might be at risk, stay home."

 

[Fox]

A friend of mine in Spain shared this video of people flooding into an Aldi. Boggles my mind.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=245115343350889

View: https://www.facebook.com/Tegustalosabeslose/videos/245115343350889/

I think that is fake...



(it is in Germany in 2011)

A common thing to do when it is like this - get some old crazy video and say it is now.

 

[AllenCrawley]

Control.

This has always been foremost for me in operating my business. I've always looked for ways to make sure that we could create procedures and operations that would enable us to continually grow.

You build a team, create a brand, develop a customer base, plan for the future and something out of nowhere knocks you to your knees and forces you to reassess everything.

The Big CV

Like many of us on TFF, I too, own a small business. 10 employees. A couple of B&M stores that cater to a close knit niche market. Regulars that often come through our doors just to see what's new.

Employees that have been with me for years. I regard most of them like family.
We are a team.
They helped build an idea into reality.

Business isn't just about the bottom line. It is just as much about building relationships and helping others to grow in their strengths also.

And now a whole new challenge. A whole new protocol to figure out. A new unseen force to reckon with. A silent, unseen competitor that wants to steal and suck the very soul from your business and possibly your life.

The past few days I have been wrestling with developing and implementing a protocol on how and when and to what extent to combat the threat of C0VlD-19 for not only the business but also my employees livelihood.

Retail already has it's own challenges, and now has the added threat of seeing a customer walking through your front door, and feeling a bit 'under the weather' and hacking sputum all over your most popular items. Or an employee coming to work with the sniffles that soon run a fever and begin to develop a low hollow cough.

I, like many of us, desperately have to begin implementing a policy for that day most likely in the near future. Or will I just be told to shut down???

Questions millions of small businesses will be facing real soon...

How do we all develop a protocol when we have so few answers?

I have an employee who’s been in Australia this week. She comes back next Monday. Wondering what precautions should be taken if any?

 

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[Bekit]

I think that is fake...

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(it is in Germany in 2011)

A common thing to do when it is like this - get some old crazy video and say it is now.

NOOOOOOOO!

***I WAS TAKEN IN***

Boo.

Thanks for the fact check.

Sorry for posting something fake.

 

[GIlman]

Will be curious how that plays out for California. Probably the single worst state to have no restrictions. When this gets embedded into homeless population I’m willing to bet it becomes a huge problem for them. people living on top of each other, in poor sanitation, common smoking and drug use. Lots of health problems.

It would have eventually anyway. Maybe it’s a planned way to deal with their homelessness.

granted, quarentines are not effective in stopping, just slowing down some. But they are putting their flag in the sand and if they develop an Italy problem expect there to be a political blood letting. Not to mention other states may start to prohibit people traveling from California just like California regulates fruit from other states.

 

[Envision]

A sore throat is not a common symptom of C0VlD-19, although it can happen to some.

Coronavirus disease (COVID-19)

WHO is continuously monitoring and responding to this pandemic. This questions and answers page will be updated as more is known about C0VlD-19, how it spreads and how it is affecting people worldwide. For more information, regularly check the WHO coronavirus pages. https://www.who.int/C0VlD-19

www.who.int

It's still cold and flu season, which is why getting tested is so important. Right now, you are something like 1000x more likely to have the flu, or 10,000x more likely to have the common cold. If you're concerned (which is totally understandable considering the situation), go to the doctor and have them recommend you for C0VlD-19 testing. Letting them know the situation (employee got sick, got quarantined, etc) will probably give them more of a reason to do so.

You probably don't have it but better safe than sorry.

It actually is one of the first signs and symptoms. Sore throat and a dry cough leads into a fever and pneumonia. It's on the WHO website under the third tab on the link you provided.

It honestly feels like a scratch and its hard to gauge if its getting better or worse. My sister, employees, etc have all been sick and I think thats the problem with this thing people dont know if its a cold or actually the virus.

If I start getting a fever ill go in - until then Ill just do what I can to mitigate exposure to people.

 

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[Jakeeck]

Hearing the MLB is suspending everything indefinitely too.

 

[ShamanKing]

Will be curious how that plays out for California. Probably the single worst state to have no restrictions. When this gets embedded into homeless population I’m willing to bet it becomes a huge problem for them. people living on top of each other, in poor sanitation, common smoking and drug use. Lots of health problems.

It would have eventually anyway. Maybe it’s a planned way to deal with their homelessness.

granted, quarentines are not effective in stopping, just slowing down some. But they are putting their flag in the sand and if they develop an Italy problem expect there to be a political blood letting. Not to mention other states may start to prohibit people traveling from California just like California regulates fruit from other states.

I live in the capital of California. Homelessness is brutal. All the land fishing areas is over populated by homeless. Any small land you see has at least 1 tent. Im talking about next to Gas stations and McDonalds, especially the highway ditches.

 

[nowap]

‘Dad called him a legend’: Boy caught selling pumps of his hand sanitiser at school amid coronavirus outbreak

He spent earnings on Doritos, mother claims

www.independent.co.uk

 

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[loop101]

Truedeau's wife has flu symptoms...

Justin Trudeau self-isolating as wife shows coronavirus symptoms

Canada’s Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he is isolating himself after his wife returned from the coronavirus hotspot of Europe and started showing a “low fever” and “mil…

nypost.com

 

[FierceRacoon]

Data scientist here.
I have downloaded the data for the coronavirus and did a little bit of modeling, mostly in the U.S. It looks sad...

Consider this: it went from 1 case to 1000 in 50 days. And most of the early days it was not really growing, but for simplicity just project the same rate. Uncontrolled, it will go from 1000 to 1,000,000 in another 50 days, or by May, 1st. Then the growth will slow down due to saturation, but most people will have it by mid-summer, and with 1% mortality we are talking about 1M dying from it.

Granted, there are effects of the warmer weather in the summer. On the other hand, there are negative effects of disrupting the health care system, so other diseases and conditions won't be treated effectively. All in all, isolation measures are inevitable. You can start them at 1,000 cases, or you can wait a couple weeks until 10,000 and start then.

 

[Vigilante]

Data scientist here.
I have downloaded the data for the coronavirus and did a little bit of modeling, mostly in the U.S. It looks sad...

Consider this: it went from 1 case to 1000 in 50 days. And most of the early days it was not really growing, but for simplicity just project the same rate. Uncontrolled, it will go from 1000 to 1,000,000 in another 50 days, or by May, 1st. Then the growth will slow down due to saturation, but most people will have it by mid-summer, and with 1% mortality we are talking about 1M dying from it.

Granted, there are effects of the warmer weather in the summer. On the other hand, there are negative effects of disrupting the health care system, so other diseases and conditions won't be treated effectively. All in all, isolation measures are inevitable. You can start them at 1,000 cases, or you can wait a couple weeks until 10,000 and start then.

Clearly shaping up to be a black swan event

 

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[becks22]

I have an employee who’s been in Australia this week. She comes back next Monday. Wondering what precautions should be taken if any?

If they can work from home, you should ask them to quarantine. Just listened to a webinar by SHRM and they talked about the legal implications an employer has to protect their workplace.

 

[Rivoli]

Data scientist here.
I have downloaded the data for the coronavirus and did a little bit of modeling, mostly in the U.S. It looks sad...

Consider this: it went from 1 case to 1000 in 50 days. And most of the early days it was not really growing, but for simplicity just project the same rate. Uncontrolled, it will go from 1000 to 1,000,000 in another 50 days, or by May, 1st. Then the growth will slow down due to saturation, but most people will have it by mid-summer, and with 1% mortality we are talking about 1M dying from it.

Granted, there are effects of the warmer weather in the summer. On the other hand, there are negative effects of disrupting the health care system, so other diseases and conditions won't be treated effectively. All in all, isolation measures are inevitable. You can start them at 1,000 cases, or you can wait a couple weeks until 10,000 and start then.

without expanded testing, none of these guesses matter

 

[Rivoli]

NOTHING BURGA

 

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[MoneyDoc]

Guys, I'm not "anti-corona" or "this is a hoax" or anything like that, but are people really surprised that this is spreading? It's a novel virus without a current vaccine. It's supposed to spread.

Most of the panic is stirred from the media. Back when SARS was big, stores shelves were emptied as well. This is nothing new... Take your normal precautions as you would during flu season. There's no need for people to turn into data scientists and extrapolate data.

 

[LightningHelix]

Truedeau's wife has flu symptoms...

Justin Trudeau self-isolating as wife shows coronavirus symptoms

Canada’s Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he is isolating himself after his wife returned from the coronavirus hotspot of Europe and started showing a “low fever” and “mil…

nypost.com

They are now both in Self-Isolation