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Free registration at the forum removes this block.Somehow, it struck me as funny that you're posting numbers, and the very first thing your signature says is 'never worry about numbers.'
These are worrying numbers indeed. Each one of them is a life and a family.Somehow, it struck me as funny that you're posting numbers, and the very first thing your signature says is 'never worry about numbers.'
But yeah ... those numbers are scary. And we're just getting started. I'm hopeful that with all the shut downs, the trend will be improving in the next few weeks.
yeah. Its pretty bad. What's interesting is that here in the Seattle area, things are not blowing up like they are in NYC. We were first in the nation, I think (or pretty close to it), as far as cases of the virus. Really soon after things started growing around here, Microsoft and Amazon, both huge employers locally, sent all their employees home. Others followed.These are worrying numbers indeed. Each one of them is a life and a family.
Most people don't understand exponential, that the few days wasted at the start are the same few days with *massive* increase later on.
I'm worried for the US in particular.
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Holy shit... just found this:I have a rant. I’m sorry but what the CDC did with the masks is downright criminal - or should be.
They went around telling everyone “surgical masks aren’t effective at all” which is complete and utter bullshit; they just didn’t trust Americans to not horde masks (although considering what people did with Toilet Paper, that probably is a valid concern.)
Point is: don’t lie to people.
I’m not a huge Fox (or CNN fan,) but Tucker Carlson had a great rant on this exact subject:
Tucker Carlson: We Understand There Is A Shortage Of Masks, But Stop Lying To Us
FNC's Tucker Carlson speaks about the efficacy of face masks at preventing the spread of the novel coronavirus. "Of course, masks work," he said. "Everyone knows that. Dozens of research papers have proved it. In South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, the rest of Asia -- where coronavirus has been kept...www.realclearpolitics.com
A surgical masks probably offers 10-20% more protection than if you did nothing. if worn properly and you make sure there’s a good seal and no air escaping I’d guesstimate that number goes up to ~40 or 50%.
Furthermore the masks stop people from touching their faces, which is considered the weak point for the virus to enter your body. You don’t even realize how much you touch your face. This video illustrates how much we touch our face even when we’re trying not to.
The CDC legitimately made people feel like wearing a mask was pure superstition. Like wearing a mask was just as effective as carrying a rabbits foot.
CDC is like “Surgical masks are ineffective, don’t walk under ladders, don’t open an umbrella indoors... and make sure to not break any mirrors.”
The CDC: “surgical masks aren’t effective. please leave all these masks for the doctors. we don’t want to put the healthcare workers risk, so PLEASE leave all these completely ineffective, useless masks for them so they don’t get sick!”
Yes, the healthcare workers DO need them more than us, but don’t f—-ing lie to us to get your way. This is the reason people don’t trust the government and you see so many batshit insane conspiracy theories.
Oh and even better is “No we’re not ordering masks from China. they’re not as good as the ones produced in America.” So we have no masks rather than ones that might be 10% less effective. “ We’re not ordering those crappy masks, so you can walk around with 0% protection rather than the 88% efficacy of those crappy INFERIOR chinese masks.”
Here’s a great one too: “the masks are only effective at stopping people who are infected at spreading it“ ... well isn’t that the entire f—-ing problem??? There needs to be a law passed that you’re not allowed in public without something covering your face - whether it be a mask or a scarf. Grocery shopping, anything. Studies show that 80% of people who caught it, caught it from someone who was displaying NO symptoms.
People China are ALL wearing masks. Perhaps that’s partly responsible for their successful containment?
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Perhaps when you have a pandemic who’s spread is 80% due to asymptomatic transmission (no visible symptoms) maybe doing everything you can to make sure those who DO have it don’t spread it is a good idea? Even if it doesn’t protect the wearer (i believe it does) from a population standpoint, it would be very helpful. I’d really like to see a law that prohibits people from being in public without some type of covering (whether it be a mask or a scarf or washable mask) to be enacted. If we had that we might even be able to slightly loosen some of the quarantine.
Anyway /rant
This could be cool too...LOL - I was playing around the other day with a battery operated 6 foot radius taser belt design along the lines of the old hoop dresses from days of old. Can you imagine people walking down the street with a bell shaped dome of metal sending a little "keep out" shock to anyone that touches it? Maybe not such a stupid idea after all?
So how ****ed are we when The quarantine lifts and it just spreads again
Somehow, it struck me as funny that you're posting numbers, and the very first thing your signature says is 'never worry about numbers.'
well according to @Tortellini this is all a big Air Whopper with Nil Sauce so the outputs will be zero to the nothingth power regardlessYes exactly. Some input into the models has to change or all we did was pause the inevitable.
well according to @Tortellini this is all a big Air Whopper with Nil Sauce so the outputs will be zero to the nothingth power regardless
BTW...Did Andrew get his 12 books in 12 months out?
Here’s how our friends in China are treating the masks they sell to us View: https://twitter.com/congressmatthew/status/1244445745362563072?s=21
More recoveries, fewer deaths (than the feared spike in Italy).Just curious, how's the situation in Malaysia now? They lockdown till 15 Apr, but is the situation on the ground getting better?
More recoveries, fewer deaths (than the feared spike in Italy).
Stimulus package announced, but it seems to favour lower-income earners more than SMEs.
Even if the government were to act on peoples feedback and adjust, I’m anticipating a Forrest Gump-shrimp boat scenario, where a typhoon wipes out most of the SME folks on the water, and leaves the Gump boats that kept going (with steady marketing and such).
Markets and essential shops are still opened, as well as some manufacturing businesses (running at 50% capacity only though)
But we had a major market in Penang or Taiping shut down, because the folks just weren’t keeping social distancing, and were mingling around even after shopping.
I have heard some worrying cases of crime in my hometown, especially when you think of laborers or foreigners who are desperate for cash, after their livelihoods got shut down.
But so far these cases are nothing compared to the insanity in other countries:
Gang of 70 loot México state supermarket en masse
Dozens of men and women rushed a Bodega Aurerra Express supermarket in Tecámac and ransacked the shelves on Monday.mexiconewsdaily.com
India’s Coronavirus Lockdown Leaves Vast Numbers Stranded and Hungry (Published 2020)
The sudden shutdown of businesses has upended the lives of millions of migrant laborers in Indian cities. More than a dozen migrants have died, and anger is rising.www.nytimes.com
Ah no. These are dark days.
I believe these were social issues and social problems before COVID19 Virus began. If you're a Human Service Worker or Civil Services you know the systems don't work. Not to mention the social classes all operate on different rules in the game of life.I am reading scattered reports in a local chat group of random looting by single people/small groups (liquor stores, pharmacies, etc.). Minimal police presence right now, and I'm sure they've got other things to deal with, but some unscrupulous people are taking advantage of it.
Here in the netherlands we're up to 13, 614 cases. Not enough beds! Germany may be saving the lives of the Dutch and us U.S. Expats. I don't think their testing very much here either from what I've heard. I'll just stay in the apartment and sit on the balcony and enjoy myself. And flying hope to the U.S. would be sitting in Quarantine for 14 days and probably being contaminated. Although, I haven't seen them evacuate the U.S. There busy evacuating other cultures that might be more relevant.I believe these were social issues and social problems before COVID19 Virus began. If you're a Human Service Worker or Civil Services you know the systems don't work. Not to mention the social classes all operate on different rules in the game of life.
This Virus is pretty much going to have people questioning their Values, Morals, Ethics, and perhaps change the systems for everyone. While you have the hoarders, the scammers, they're blatantly going to be caught as you see already in social media. Human nature is complex. Fortunately, until the Internet came around people were held back in society be ignorance. Education was limited globally. You didn't have all the social classes with access to education as they are now.
I can tell you in every social class you have those unscrupulous people taking advantage of someone else. There is no barrier in what one will do for power, dominance, and control over others. Hustlers in the hood know how to manipulate emotions, thoughts, feelings, and take advantage of the situation.
A perfect society we shall never see. And then you have those who take of their medical and mental health and those who don't. Belief systems, are only changed when you choose to remove yourself from a certain social group. Which there are tons of social groups, with their agenda, intentions, motivations, and harm others intentionally or not intentionally. This all depends on where you're standing in the world.
You have racism, prejudice, discrimination, and persecution in every culture. The Psychology is a contageon far more then the Virus in some social groups. You allow certain people to influence you and of course they have a cause and effect on whether you succeed or fail. We can push it further to life and death in this scenario.
It really shouldn't surprise us that an event like this which is basically all about the survival mode and survival mechanism would bring out the worst in human nature. Anyone can take the wrong action or right action. It just depends on what your values are, your ethics, your morals, and what you value the most.
For some people they don't even know how to value their own self worth, so of course they're not going to value yours. And even if you believe others value your life, you find out in events like this sometimes they don't value your life at all.
In my case, I understand as a former Nurse Aide and Mental Health Worker, human nature doesn't value anyone that isn't healthy, young, and wealthy. People are forgotten, left behind the scenes in hosptials, private homes, nursing homes, adult foster care homes, and it doesn't matter their social status or how much wealth they have.
I've seen the finest in human nature and fortunately, it is what it is. If you're lucky to have to the right people walk in your life at the right time, have grattitude, be thankful, appreciate for what they do for you. Quit the prejudice, discrimination, anger, rage, bitterness, and how all unfair it is. There are good people in every social class, just like there are people who don't do the right thing in every social class.
In this situation, no one's more special then the other. Even Bill Gates stated this himself. Stress, Anxiety, and Fear are your worst enemy. If you know how to control your thoughts, emotions, and feelings and focus on the positives you're better off.
Survival mode is living in fear, and attacking other people, blaming other people, harming other people when they have no control over the Corona Virus anymore then the rest of us.
Hmm...the Herd Immunity! I'm not one to follow the herd in anything. But I have to say if we have issues here in the Netherlands in the next few weeks it was a deliberate choice.Here in the netherlands we're up to 13, 614 cases. Not enough beds! Germany may be saving the lives of the Dutch and us U.S. Expats. I don't think their testing very much here either from what I've heard. I'll just stay in the apartment and sit on the balcony and enjoy myself. And flying hope to the U.S. would be sitting in Quarantine for 14 days and probably being contaminated. Although, I haven't seen them evacuate the U.S. There busy evacuating other cultures that might be more relevant.
The flower industry has taken a huge dive! Such lovely flowers.
Exactly, it's attacking any age. Even new borns are passing away and others surviving. I don't believe it matters how healthy or what age. They kept all the children in school here until the U.S. shut down schools. And they maybe already exposed here. Everyone I know is well for the most part. It's just starting to spread in my area. But they already are having a difficult time with the number of patients in hospitals and not enough medical equipment and supplies. Germany of course is supposed to be better equipped in the region. Hard to say how it will affect people. I have seen people of all ages be hit online.I was acceptant of the idea of utilising Herd Immunity for the masses while protecting the vulnerable, either until everyone was clear or a vaccine could be released.
It seemed pretty clear who was at risk and so a sensible option, but having 3 people of 21 years and under, (with no underlying health problems, if we are to believe the reports) die in the UK recently has made me wonder. I wasn't too worried about my children contracting C0VlD-19 but I am now.
I was.Before coronavirus, nobody was depressed knowing that so many people were dying every day
Exactly, it's attacking any age. Even new borns are passing away and others surviving. I don't believe it matters how healthy or what age. They kept all the children in school here until the U.S. shut down schools. And they maybe already exposed here.
I was.
Posted about it a few times. Nobody cared until now.
I believe he made 3 threads on it.
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