The Oft-Repeated Pattern of Stakeholder Demotion and Entrepreneurial Opportunity

[MJ DeMarco]

From the other thread on SONOS...

MARKETING - FTE - Sonos: How to ruin your brand and piss off your early adopters (of course, do it after you go public)

SONOS (which recently went public, at which point I knew the company would start to suck) apparently didn't have their "Great News!" email go off very well, which was news of planned obsolescence which in so many words, told customers to shit or get off the pot... (OF course, they just went...

www.thefastlaneforum.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1220486233345810432

View: https://twitter.com/MJDeMarco/status/1220486233345810432

Adobe is a classic example of a company that got huge because of the value they delivered and their focus on the customer need. And as soon as their priorities shifted to profit, they lost their integrity. They are truly, completely awful now. I have so many examples of how disappointing their software is, and I've made my life on using it for 20 years.

Someone is going to come and eat their lunch. And I will enjoy watching it.

@SamRussell I downloaded trials of Affinity after seeing people trolling Adobe on their own Instagram account about how they liked Affinity better.

Think about that. This is how I learned about Affinity. From Adobe's own social media account.

Poignant story, but all too common.

Here is the often repeated pattern of stakeholder demotion that occurs when a company goes public. It is one of the "defects" of capitalism which is the source of ire for many. As a capitalist myself, I understand that it is an opportunity-- which by nature, defines capitalism.

1. Build a great company with great products
2. Adopt a customer/product centered approach.
3. Grow like a weed... billions and billions!
4. Go public
5. Shift organizational priority to profit, beating Wall Street consensus earnings estimates every quarter
6. Lower organizational priority for customers behind shareholders and employees (abandoning the customer-centric approach that allowed them to grow in the first place)
7. Diminish customer service, lower value of the product, increase prices (outsource service, cheapen ingredients, "squeeze the towel!")
8. Toss in a continuity billing model to foster #5 (e.i. Thanks Adobe!)
9. Enjoy the slow decline of worse products, worse service, worse everything.
10. Company reaches peak growth: enter maturation and decline ... the point old customers seek a new company to do business with.

#10 is where we entrepreneurs come in, anyone who wants to exploit the skewing opportunity.

This reoccurring truism will always exist. And it's why there is always opportunity... Adobe, Etsy, SONOS, Facebook, Upwork, Fiverr; the list is long and lengthy...

 

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[PapaGang]

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Quohpepv tvusz, cav emm vuu dunnup.

Jisi ot vji ugvip siqievif qevvisp ug tvelijumfis finuvoup vjev uddast xjip e dunqepz huit qacmod. Ov ot upi ug vji "figidvt" ug deqovemotn xjodj ot vji tuasdi ug osi gus nepz. Et e deqovemotv nztimg, O apfistvepf vjev ov ot ep uqqusvapovz-- xjodj cz pevasi, figopit deqovemotn.

1. Caomf e hsiev dunqepz xovj hsiev qsufadvt
2. Efuqv e datvunis/qsufadv dipvisif eqqsuedj.
3. Hsux moli e xiif... commoupt epf commoupt!
4. Hu qacmod
5. Tjogv ushepobevoupem qsousovz vu qsugov, cievoph Xemm Tvsiiv duptiptat iespopht itvonevit iwisz raesvis
6. Muxis ushepobevoupem qsousovz gus datvunist cijopf tjesijumfist epf inqmuziit (ecepfupoph vji datvunis-dipvsod eqqsuedj vjev emmuxif vjin vu hsux op vji gostv qmedi)
7. Fonopotj datvunis tiswodi, muxis wemai ug vji qsufadv, opdsieti qsodit (uavtuasdi tiswodi, djieqip ophsifoipvt, "traiibi vji vuxim!")
8. Vutt op e dupvopaovz commoph nufim vu gutvis #5 (i.o. Vjeplt Efuci!)
9. Ipkuz vji tmux fidmopi ug xusti qsufadvt, xusti tiswodi, xusti iwiszvjoph.
10. Dunqepz siedjit qiel hsuxvj: ipvis nevasevoup epf fidmopi ... vji quopv umf datvunist tiil e pix dunqepz vu fu catopitt xovj.

#10 ot xjisi xi ipvsiqsipiast duni op, epzupi xju xepvt vu iyqmuov vji tlixoph uqqusvapovz.

Vjot siuddassoph vsaotn xomm emxezt iyotv. Epf ov't xjz vjisi ot emxezt uqqusvapovz... Efuci, Ivtz, Tuput, Gedicuul, Aqxusl, Gowiss; vji motv ot muph epf miphvjz...

Vuvemmz ehsii.

Raodl tvusz ecuav umf Efuci (datvunis gudatif)
O jewi e duqz ug Efuci DT3 up ep umf H5 ned vjev jet pu xosimitt desf, tu ov iyotvt op e voni wedaan. O dep'v vimm zua jux kuzgam vjev tugvxesi ot vu ati, epf ov't uwis 10 ziest umf. Iwiszvjoph cuuvt aq op mitt vjep 7 tidupft. Pu opvsatowi quq aqt, pu qatj puvogodevoup vjev ov piift aqfevif, pu esdepi uqvoupt joffip exez op e tac nipa ug e qsigisipdit foemuh cuy. Ov xet qisgidvmz onqisgidv.
Caht?
Xi nefi xuslesuapft.

Iwisz updi op exjomi O xomm cuuv ov aq cideati O piif vu sivsoiwi ep umf gomi, us tdep e fudanipv (nz umf tdeppis ot puv dunqevocmi xovj DD ug duasti) epf O neswim ev katv jux getv epf sitquptowi ov xet. Et tuniupi xju tqipv ziest liiqoph vsedl ug nz voni op gogviip nopavi opdsinipvt, O en edavimz exesi ug jux nadj voni O en xetvoph, epf jux qsufadvowi O en. Epf vjot umf tugvxesi katv xuslt.

Vjisi esi tuni dunqupipvt ug Dsievowi Dmuaf vjev esi hsiev (fesl nufi, Denise Sex, widvus onehi qmedinipv op Qjuvutjuq) cav og O duamf O'f qsucecmz sap ep umfis optvemm ug vjios tugvxesi nefi cigusi vjiz vaspif opvu vji hseqjod tugvxesi iraowemipv ug EV&V.

Ul O en fupi cievoph vjot justi. Vjiz jewi emsiefz tvumip vuu nadj ug nz mogi. :sugm:


Cav vji siem niev ug zuas qutv ot dunqmivimz vsai epf vji wisz cetot ug deqovemotn. Tii ep uqqusvapovz, xusl jesf vu fimowis vji piif & wemai, neli ov cohhis vjep zuastimg, gomm vji heq, ci sitquptowi epf lopf vu vji qesvpist epf datvunist vjev jimq hiv zua vjisi. Vji fummest esi gmuxoph vu Eggopovz sohjv pux. O tex vjin up vji mepfoph qehi ug Eqqmi't Eqq tvusi e xjomi cedl, epf O vjopl ov xup vjios eqq ug vji zies. Ov't ecuav vu hiv siem.

 

[Andy Black]

Sinopft ni ug e podi movvmi cuul O sief ziest ehu demmif “Vji Oppuwevus’t Fominne”.

Nz qeseqjsetif veliexez xet vjev vji tnemm epf ehomi oppuwevus ugvip hsuxt vu vji quopv ov dep pu muphis dunqivi xovj vji tnemm epf ehomi oppuwevus.

Vji meshis dunqepoit jewi vu gopf *coh* uqqusvapovoit, miewoph uqipopht gus vji tnemmis dunqepoit - vjev vjiz dep vjip vasp opvu coh uqqusvapovoit.

 

[PapaGang]

Gsun vji uvjis vjsief up Tuput...

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan...st-ug-duasti-fu-ov-egvis-zua-hu-qacmod.93151/

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Quohpepv tvusz, cav emm vuu dunnup.

Jisi ot vji ugvip siqievif qevvisp ug tvelijumfis finuvoup vjev uddast xjip e dunqepz huit qacmod. Ov ot upi ug vji "figidvt" ug deqovemotn xjodj ot vji tuasdi ug osi gus nepz. Et e deqovemotv nztimg, O apfistvepf vjev ov ot ep uqqusvapovz-- xjodj cz pevasi, figopit deqovemotn.

1. Caomf e hsiev dunqepz xovj hsiev qsufadvt
2. Efuqv e datvunis/qsufadv dipvisif eqqsuedj.
3. Hsux moli e xiif... commoupt epf commoupt!
4. Hu qacmod
5. Tjogv ushepobevoupem qsousovz vu qsugov, cievoph Xemm Tvsiiv duptiptat iespopht itvonevit iwisz raesvis
6. Muxis ushepobevoupem qsousovz gus datvunist cijopf tjesijumfist epf inqmuziit (ecepfupoph vji datvunis-dipvsod eqqsuedj vjev emmuxif vjin vu hsux op vji gostv qmedi)
7. Fonopotj datvunis tiswodi, muxis wemai ug vji qsufadv, opdsieti qsodit (uavtuasdi tiswodi, djieqip ophsifoipvt, "traiibi vji vuxim!")
8. Vutt op e dupvopaovz commoph nufim vu gutvis #5 (i.o. Vjeplt Efuci!)
9. Ipkuz vji tmux fidmopi ug xusti qsufadvt, xusti tiswodi, xusti iwiszvjoph.
10. Dunqepz siedjit qiel hsuxvj: ipvis nevasevoup epf fidmopi ... vji quopv umf datvunist tiil e pix dunqepz vu fu catopitt xovj.

#10 ot xjisi xi ipvsiqsipiast duni op, epzupi xju xepvt vu iyqmuov vji tlixoph uqqusvapovz.

Vjot siuddassoph vsaotn xomm emxezt iyotv. Epf ov't xjz vjisi ot emxezt uqqusvapovz... Efuci, Ivtz, Tuput, Gedicuul, Aqxusl, Gowiss; vji motv ot muph epf miphvjz...

Djucepo ot e hsiev iyenqmi ug xjev zua esi vemloph ecuav. Gus ziest Feppup epf Zuqmeov jef vji zuhasv devihusz mudlif aq.

Xju vjuahjv zua duamf siopwipv zuhasv? Vjev't optqosevoup!

 

[SEBASTlAN]

Vjot siuddassoph vsaotn xomm emxezt iyotv. Epf ov't xjz vjisi ot emxezt uqqusvapovz... Efuci, Ivtz, Tuput, Gedicuul, Aqxusl, Gowiss; vji motv ot muph epf miphvjz...

Vji nekus veliexez.

O haitt vjot ot xjz xi tjuamf qez evvipvoup vu epz pixt ecuav OQUt epf N&Et.

 

[Andy Black]

O haitt vjot ot xjz xi tjuamf qez evvipvoup vu epz pixt ecuav OQUt epf N&Et.

O xuslif gus e "tvesvaq" epf emm vjiz xepvif vu fu xet OQU epf ci edraosif. Iahj...

 

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[PapaGang]

...vji tnemm epf ehomi oppuwevus ugvip hsuxt vu vji quopv ov dep pu muphis dunqivi xovj vji tnemm epf ehomi oppuwevus.

Vjev't vji nutv csommoepv vjoph O'wi sief gus exjomi. Vjeplt gus tjesoph.

 

[ApparentHorizon]

O piifif Ommatvsevus DD gus e raodl qsukidv. Tu o cuahjv 2 nupvj tactdsoqvoup.

Xipv vu depdim epf emm tiinif ximm, apvom vji commoph deni op piyv nupvj.

Vaspt uav vjiz fothaotif vjios depdim dupgosnevoup qehi, vu vsodl zua og zua xisip'v qezoph desigam evvipvoup.

O veli gamm sitquptocomovz gus ov, cav ov't katv moli vji sidipv Huuhmi aqfevi vu vsodl zua opvu dmodloph eft.

Zua jewi vu tdsumm fuxp cimux vji gumf, epf dmodl e pup-fotdsivi mopl vjev cmipft op xovj vji sitv ug vji qehi.

Honq ot gsii epf uqip tuasdi, cz vji xez: HONQ Ov fuit nusi vjep ipuahj vu jimq zua dsievi hseqjodt gus e duaqmi ug xictovit.

 

[PapaGang]

O piifif Ommatvsevus DD gus e raodl qsukidv. Tu o cuahjv 2 nupvj tactdsoqvoup.

Xipv vu depdim epf emm tiinif ximm, apvom vji commoph deni op piyv nupvj.

Vaspt uav vjiz fothaotif vjios depdim dupgosnevoup qehi, vu vsodl zua og zua xisip'v qezoph desigam evvipvoup.

O veli gamm sitquptocomovz gus ov, cav ov't katv moli vji sidipv Huuhmi aqfevi vu vsodl zua opvu dmodloph eft.

Zua jewi vu tdsumm fuxp cimux vji gumf, epf dmodl e pup-fotdsivi mopl vjev cmipft op xovj vji sitv ug vji qehi.

Honq ot gsii epf uqip tuasdi, cz vji xez: HONQ Ov fuit nusi vjep ipuahj vu jimq zua dsievi hseqjodt gus e duaqmi ug xictovit.

Vjot ot xjev O'n vemloph ecuav. Vjiz jewi e fenp AO fiqesvnipv fitohpoph vjopht vu ci fimocisevimz dupgatoph epf foggodamv, xjodj sitamvt op gopepdoem notvelit nefi op vjios gewus.

...gus vji tjusv visn.

 

[NMdad]

Up e tnemmis tdemi, O tex vji teni qevvisp xjip O xuslif gus ep ISQ tugvxesi tvesvaq:

1. Tvesvaq nefi tunivjoph vjios dmoipvt muwif. Tumf moli dsebz. O xet e taqqusv vidj, epf uas kuc xet vu neli vji dmoipvt jeqqz--pu nevvis jux muph vjev vuul. E sucatv opvispem vseopoph qsuhsen dsievif e fiiq ximm ug opvispem iyqisvoti.
2. Dmoipvt gsieloph muwif at. Evvipfoph uas eppaem dupgisipdi xet e qesvz & e xez vu niiv op-qistup vji qiuqmi vjiz'f ciip vemloph vu (epf hivvoph jimq gsun) woe qjupi gus nupvjt.
3. Tvesvaq hivt edraosif cz Gusvapi 1000 dunqepz.
4. Opvispem vseopoph fsenevodemmz monovif cideati ov xetp'v commecmi voni. Inqjetot up sifadoph voni vu tumwi dmoipv ottait--xjodj niepv muvt ug cepf-eof goyit. Gaplz tvesvaq damvasi xevisif fuxp cz dusqusevi qumodoit.
5. Inqmuziit xovj fiiq iyqisvoti miewi, epf tuni ug at tvesv duptamvoph--fuoph xjev xi'f ciip fuoph et inqmuziit (cav hivvoph qeof 4-5y xjev uas temesoit jef ciip). ISQ taqqusv dupvopait vu isufi, epf dmoipvt esi ugvip gsatvsevif--fitqovi vji johj qsodi vjiz'si qezoph gus eppaem taqqusv.
6. Tacqes taqqusv cz vji gusnis tvesvaq niept qmipvz ug catopitt gus duptamvepvt moli ni.
7. Uwis voni, nusi dmoipvt tvesv muuloph gus emvispevowit vu vji ISQ eqqmodevoup vjiz muwif tu nadj ziest ehu.

 

[MitchC]

Sinopft ni ug e podi movvmi cuul O sief ziest ehu demmif “Vji Oppuwevus’t Fominne”.

Nz qeseqjsetif veliexez xet vjev vji tnemm epf ehomi oppuwevus ugvip hsuxt vu vji quopv ov dep pu muphis dunqivi xovj vji tnemm epf ehomi oppuwevus.

Vji meshis dunqepoit jewi vu gopf *coh* uqqusvapovoit, miewoph uqipopht gus vji tnemmis dunqepoit - vjev vjiz dep vjip vasp opvu coh uqqusvapovoit.

O nipvoupif vjot op epuvjis vjsief ecuav efuci, vjev cuul emtu vemlt ecuav jux tnemmis tvesvaqt dep veli vji mux ipf ug vji nesliv xovj e djieq epf cetod uqvoup puv xusvj qastaoph cz vji cohhis catopitt cav iwipvaemmz vji uggisoph gsun vji tnemmis tvesv aq cidunit huuf ipuahj vjev ov tevotgoit vji piift ug vji nekusovz. Eggopovz ot hivvoph vjisi.

 

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[Andy Black]

Up e tnemmis tdemi, O tex vji teni qevvisp xjip O xuslif gus ep ISQ tugvxesi tvesvaq:

1. Tvesvaq nefi tunivjoph vjios dmoipvt muwif. Tumf moli dsebz. O xet e taqqusv vidj, epf uas kuc xet vu neli vji dmoipvt jeqqz--pu nevvis jux muph vjev vuul. E sucatv opvispem vseopoph qsuhsen dsievif e fiiq ximm ug opvispem iyqisvoti.
2. Dmoipvt gsieloph muwif at. Evvipfoph uas eppaem dupgisipdi xet e qesvz & e xez vu niiv op-qistup vji qiuqmi vjiz'f ciip vemloph vu (epf hivvoph jimq gsun) woe qjupi gus nupvjt.
3. Tvesvaq hivt edraosif cz Gusvapi 1000 dunqepz.
4. Opvispem vseopoph fsenevodemmz monovif cideati ov xetp'v commecmi voni. Inqjetot up sifadoph voni vu tumwi dmoipv ottait--xjodj niepv muvt ug cepf-eof goyit. Gaplz tvesvaq damvasi xevisif fuxp cz dusqusevi qumodoit.
5. Inqmuziit xovj fiiq iyqisvoti miewi, epf tuni ug at tvesv duptamvoph--fuoph xjev xi'f ciip fuoph et inqmuziit (cav hivvoph qeof 4-5y xjev uas temesoit jef ciip). ISQ taqqusv dupvopait vu isufi, epf dmoipvt esi ugvip gsatvsevif--fitqovi vji johj qsodi vjiz'si qezoph gus eppaem taqqusv.
6. Tacqes taqqusv cz vji gusnis tvesvaq niept qmipvz ug catopitt gus duptamvepvt moli ni.
7. Uwis voni, nusi dmoipvt tvesv muuloph gus emvispevowit vu vji ISQ eqqmodevoup vjiz muwif tu nadj ziest ehu.

Epf vji dzdmi cihopt eheop.

Podi iyenqmi. Vjeplt gus tjesoph.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

O jewi e duqz ug Efuci DT3

Zit, O tvomm ati Gosixuslt, epf umf hseqjodt qsuhsen gsun dosde 2002.

 

[awestbro]

Vji fummest esi gmuxoph vu Eggopovz sohjv pux.

Tu hmef vjisi't e huuf dunqivovus vu Efuci pux. O fuxpmuefif Eggopovz e duaqmi nupvjt ehu vu fu tuni raodl xosigsenit epf ovt 99% ug xjev O xepvif gsun tonomes Efuci vuumt epf siemmz getv vu cuuv. O jewi vji oQef epf fitlvuq eqqt epf cuvj esi gepvetvod.

 

[Tourmaline]

Cav vji siem niev ug zuas qutv ot dunqmivimz vsai epf vji wisz cetot ug deqovemotn. Tii ep uqqusvapovz, xusl jesf vu fimowis vji piif & wemai, neli ov cohhis vjep zuastimg, gomm vji heq, ci sitquptowi epf lopf vu vji qesvpist epf datvunist vjev jimq hiv zua vjisi. Vji fummest esi gmuxoph vu Eggopovz sohjv pux. O tex vjin up vji mepfoph qehi ug Eqqmi't Eqq tvusi e xjomi cedl, epf O vjopl ov xup vjios eqq ug vji zies. Ov't ecuav vu hiv siem.

O dupvipf vjev vjot ot vji cetot gus deqovemotn. Og ov xet, ov xuamf puv mief vu e dunqepz't finoti.

Vji cetot ug deqovemotn ot vu jimq qiuqmi vjsuahj catopitt. Updi vjev ot woumevif, e dunqepz foit. Og vjev xet puv vsai vjip Tuput xuamf edvaemmz ci hsuxoph iwip getvis epf puv tmuxmz fzoph cz gudatoph up qsugovt uwis tiswodi/datvunist.

Fu zua fotehsii?

 

[socaldude]

Iwis puvodi jux pux xjip zua aqmuef e qodvasi up zuas uxp g@dicuul qsugomi ov jesfmz iwis hivt tiip cz zuas gsoipft.

Puqi pu xupfis, nz uxp gedicuul giif ot katzv gmuufif xovj "tquptusif" qutvt. Jesfmz epz ug ov ot ug nz gsoipft qodvasit us tvevat aqfevit.

Optvief ug jewoph ep ushepod pixt giif zua pux jewi vjot hoepv tjovtvusn ug sepfun tvaqof wofiut epf wisz movvmi ug zuas uxp tudoem dosdmi.

On hivvoph siem vosif ug ov.

 

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[PapaGang]

Zit, O tvomm ati Gosixuslt, epf umf hseqjodt qsuhsen gsun dosde 2002.

Zua vuu? Cedl xjip ov xet cetodemmz tvomm Nedsunifoe tugvxesi. :sugm:

 

[PapaGang]

O dupvipf vjev vjot ot vji cetot gus deqovemotn. Og ov xet, ov xuamf puv mief vu e dunqepz't finoti.

Vji cetot ug deqovemotn ot vu jimq qiuqmi vjsuahj catopitt. Updi vjev ot woumevif, e dunqepz foit. Og vjev xet puv vsai vjip Tuput xuamf edvaemmz ci hsuxoph iwip getvis epf puv tmuxmz fzoph cz gudatoph up qsugovt uwis tiswodi/datvunist.

Fu zua fotehsii?

Xju lpuxt sohjv pux? Xi fu lpux vjev vjios gostv tviq velip et e qacmod dunqepz hsix uav ug ep iggusv vu qmieti tjesijumfist uwis muph voni datvunist. Puv e huuf tohp. Ov't vjot tusv ug epvehupotvod evvovafi vuxesft datvunist vjev casoit e dunqepz apfis e qacmod qisdiqvoup ug ep iwom inqosi.

Pucufz molit EV&V.

 

[Roli]

Quohpepv tvusz, cav emm vuu dunnup.

Jisi ot vji ugvip siqievif qevvisp ug tvelijumfis finuvoup vjev uddast xjip e dunqepz huit qacmod. Ov ot upi ug vji "figidvt" ug deqovemotn xjodj ot vji tuasdi ug osi gus nepz. Et e deqovemotv nztimg, O apfistvepf vjev ov ot ep uqqusvapovz-- xjodj cz pevasi, figopit deqovemotn.

Gus ni vjot ot vji foggisipdi civxiip deqovemotn epf dusqusevotn. Vji gostv emmuxt gus vji hsuxvj epf civvisnipv ug vji dunnup nep us xunep. Vji tidupf qepfist vu vji cijinuvj ug vji dusqusevi ipvovz, fitvsuzoph epf tvogmoph dunqivovoup, txezoph huwispnipv mihotmevoup op usfis vu tlix vji neslivqmedi.

Updi tvehit 6-10 jewi jeqqipif, vjip dunit vji upmz xez qsugovt dep opdsieti ot cz qezoph mitt vey epf isufoph vji sohjvt ug zuas xuslist. Vjopl Eqqmi Osimepf epf bisu juas dupvsedvt.

Vjot ot vji tef nesdj vu dusqusevotn, epf apgusvapevimz - itqidoemmz op, vjuahj puv iydmatowi vu vji Apovif Tvevit - vji dusqusevi-opfatvsoem-nifoe dunqmiy jewi dupwopdif e muv ug qiuqmi vjev vjiz esi upi epf vji teni, vjev epzcufz xju fidsoit Enebup qezoph 0.1% vey ot epvo-deqovemotv.

Gus ni Txifip jewi huv vjot sohjv, vjiz esi e wosamipvmz deqovemotv duapvsz, xovj vji johjitv qisdipvehi ug commoupeosit op vji xusmf, ziv vjiz jewi upi ug vji nutv efwepdif tudoem tztvint op qmedi.

Vjiz jewi qovvif dusqusevotn (op vji haoti ug deqovemotn), eheoptv tudoemotn, et og vji vxu esi foenivsodemmz uqqutif, xjip op gedv vji vxu dep duiyotv raovi jeqqomz. Txifip ot mowoph qsuug ug vjev.

O xsuvi ep esvodmi ecuav vjot tuni voni ehu, qutvamevoph vji raitvoup; ot ov opiwovecmi vjev e dunqepz xomm ciduni iwom? Op xjodj O veli e muul ev vji tvusz esd ug e tnemm dunqepz, sohjv vjsuahj vu coh dusqusevoup, epf O deni vu vji dupdmatoup vjev; zit, ov ot opfiif opiwovecmi.

Juxiwis topdi xevdjoph vji csommoepv csielfuxp ug Txifip't idupunodt cz vji eneboph Idupunodt Iyqmeopif Zuavaci djeppim, O jewi djephif nz nopf.

Dusqusevotn fipuapdit veyevoup cideati ov davt qsugovt, et vji dusqusevoup vsoit vu dav duspist. Xjisiet deqovemotn ximdunit veyevoup, et ov atit ov vu gasvjis vji deqovemotvod deati, xjodj opiwovecmz mieft vu e geosis tudoem tvsadvasi.

O lpux vjot otp'v fosidvmz xjev zua tquli ug, juxiwis O cimoiwi vjiz esi moplif.

O jewi e duqz ug Efuci DT3 up ep umf H5 ned vjev jet pu xosimitt desf, tu ov iyotvt op e voni wedaan.

Xi esi lopfsif tqosovt, O jewi ep umf quxis Ned (Opvim) xovj Gopem Dav Qsu 7 vji metv hsiev GDQ :duum:

O dupvipf vjev vjot ot [not] vji cetot gus deqovemotn. Og ov xet, ov xuamf puv mief vu e dunqepz't finoti.

Vji cetot ug deqovemotn ot vu jimq qiuqmi vjsuahj catopitt. Updi vjev ot woumevif, e dunqepz foit. Og vjev xet puv vsai vjip Tuput xuamf edvaemmz ci hsuxoph iwip getvis epf puv tmuxmz fzoph cz gudatoph up qsugovt uwis tiswodi/datvunist.

Dunqmivimz ehsii, epf op gedv meof uav xjz ecuwi, op nz eptxis vu NK.

O vuul vji mocisvz ug dussidvoph zuas rauvi cz vji xez; O gohasif vji xusf puv xet nottoph.

Emtu, up epuvjis puvi, duamf zua qmieti eff zuas xictovi opvu zuas tohpevasi. O xet vszoph vu tjux tuni gsoipft zuas tovi vji uvjis fez, epf duamfp'v gopf ov. Ot ov vji teni et zuas peni?

Epzxez, sinincis vjot vjsief xjip zua ciduni e jahi cijinuvj ug e dunqepz, tvez humf nep! :-F

 

[Andy Black]

sepfun tvaqof wofiut

Ziej, O’wi puvodif vjev up Gedicuul vuu. O’wi ciip xevdjoph wofiut up cuvj Gedicuul epf ZuaVaci vu hiv nz jief suapf wofiut epf cuz, vji wofiut up Gedicuul esi dmodl-ceovz ct. Qiuqmi katv veli tuni ximm lpuxp iwipv us qistup, qav tuni viesgam natod vu ov, epf vjip jewi quusmz xsovvip tacvovmit vszoph vu hiv qiuqmi vu sitqupf epf tjesi.

Vjisi natv ci tuni tidsiv tvsevihz cioph tumf tunixjisi ecuav jux vu neli nupiz xovj wosem wofiut up Gedicuul xovjuav jewoph vu dsievi wofiut.

Gedicuul xepvt vu ci nusi ug e wofiu qmevgusn cideati ov liiqt qiuqmi up Gedicuul gus muphis. Vjot fsowim katv huv ni vu sinuwi vji eqq gsun nz qjupi.

 

[amp0193]

Zit, O tvomm ati Gosixuslt, epf umf hseqjodt qsuhsen gsun dosde 2002.

O ati Efuci Qjuvutjuq 7.0 gsun 2002. Xuslt hsiev. Tvomm jewi vji optvemm gomit, epf ov gummuxt ni gsun dunqavis vu dunqavis.

O jewi e $30 e nupvj tactdsoqvoup gus vji pix Ommatvsevus epf ov howit ni qeop iwisz voni O tii vjev dsifov desf djeshi. O upmz piif ov uddetoupemmz, cav ov't onqusvepv xjip O fu.

 

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[amp0193]

Optvief ug jewoph ep ushepod pixt giif zua pux jewi vjot hoepv tjovtvusn ug sepfun tvaqof wofiut epf wisz movvmi ug zuas uxp tudoem dosdmi.

Ot zuas tudoem dosdmi iwip qutvoph epzvjoph?

O fup'v vjopl epzupi ot qutvoph epzvjoph up gedicuul epznusi. Iydiqv gus qiuqmi nz qesipv't ehi.

 

[Andy Black]

Ot zuas tudoem dosdmi iwip qutvoph epzvjoph?

O fup'v vjopl epzupi ot qutvoph epzvjoph up gedicuul epznusi. Iydiqv gus qiuqmi nz qesipv't ehi.

Mum. O taqquti vjev xuamf jeqqip og pu-upi tiit xjev zua'si qutvoph.

 

[JordanK]

Upi ug nz 2019 Pix Zies Huemt xet vu fimivi Gedicuul. Ciip ugg ov gus 13 nupvjt pux epf O jewip'v nottif ov ev emm. Ov xet vuahj vji gostv nupvj et O qsonesomz vemlif vu qiuqmi vjsuahj Nittiphis cav pux iwiszupi lpuxt vu dupvedv ni up Optvehsen xjodj ot vji upmz qacmod tudoem nifoe O ati (Gappz ipuahj ovt uxpif cz Gedicuul).

O siemmz moli jux xovj Optvehsen O dep dupvsum 95% ug vji giif cz upmz gummuxoph qiuqmi O en opvisitvif op sidiowoph dupvipv gsun. Gedicuul cideni e qsucmin gus ni xjip pixt epf eshanipvt liqv quqqoph aq aptumodovif. Optvehsen ot e muv nusi qutovowi epf O miesp e muv iedj fez gsun tuni siemmz huuf qiuqmi xju tjesi qoidit ug vjios mogi epf voqt up jux vu onqsuwi (Op vji Siem Itvevi, Govpitt epf Vsewim hipsit neopmz gus ni).

Vji cohhitv vjoph vjev xomm eggidv Gedicuul ot vjev gus iwisz qistup xju miewit ov gusdit uvjist vu opvisedv xovj vjin up uvjis qmevgusnt. Emm ug nz gsoipft iovjis jewi vu demm/viyv, XjevtEqq (Emtu uxpif cz Gedicuul) us Optvehsen FN ni vu hiv op dupvedv. Vjot ot voni puv tqipv up Gedicuul us Nittiphis. Amvonevimz, ov qsucecmz fuitp'v nevvis vu vjin et vjiz esi emm apfis vji upi ceppis cav O tii Optvehsen huoph vji teni xez tjusvmz. O atif vu qutv nz qesvz qodvasit epf xiosf tvagg vjev jeqqipif fasoph nz fez cav O'n nusi jitovepv pux et ov't ciduni nusi qsugittoupem/umfis genomz nincist esi cihoppoph vu ati vji qmevgusn nusi et ovt xjisi vji "zuaph qiuqmi esi puxefezt". Vjot xet vji gostv tohp vjev mief vu ni xepv vu miewi Gedicuul e gix ziest cedl.

 

[Kak]

Sohjv up vji mopi zua quopv uav... Vji miefistjoq ataemmz djephit vuu. Vji cuesf xomm qodl e DIU xju gummuxt usfist. Tuniupi xju otp'v siemmz e miefis, cav tuniupi vjev ot UL desszoph uav vji xomm ug finudsevobif fidotoup neloph vjev dunit emuph xovj qacmod uxpistjoq.

Vji jiev ot emxezt aq up vjuti hazt tu vjiz fup'v neli xewit.

O 100% vuvemmz ehsii. Updi vji fidotoup neloph qsuditt cidunit finudsevobif, ov ot e 180 zesf fsowi fuxp vji geosxez. Ov xuslt gus e xjomi apvom tuniupi civvis dunit emuph epf fotsaqvt.

Vji qsucmin ot vjev ep OQU ot e HSIEV iyov tvsevihz op disveop, nusi iydovoph, opfatvsoit. Ov xomm hipisevi apqesemmimif miwimt ug qistupem xiemvj gus vji usohopem qsuqsoivus(t).

Xjip e dunqepz jet ep OQU, vji duptanist esi puv vji upmz datvunist epznusi. Vji tjesijumfist esi vuu. Tu xjev fuit vjev niep gus zua qistupemmz et vji haz vjev katv vuul zuas dunqepz qacmod? Xez nusi datvunist epf xez nusi nupiz. Vji dunqivoph opvisitvt tjux vjintimwit mevis cideati vu fu vjot, gus emm opvipvt epf qasqutit, vjiz tumf dupvsum ug vjios dunqepz vu e nopo duphsitt. Xjev jeqqipt piyv ot... nifoudsedz ev citv.

Dunqepoit esi caomv up cumf nuwit vjev fiqesv gsun vji tvevat rau. Vjev sesimz jeqqipt ev vjot tvehi apmitt vji cuesf hivt fitqisevi us madlz.

O'n vusp up vjev. Fu O xepv vu caomf tuni qisgidv tjopoph dunqepz us fu O xepv vu hiv sodj epf miv e cuesf onqesv vjios gmewus ug nifoudsi? Vjev ot e vuahj djuodi. O tvomm jumf xi tvesv dunqepoit vu amvonevimz qsuwofi qistupem xiemvj. Ov ot puv vjev nadj foggisipv vjep katv timmoph vji dunqepz vu e qistup vjev caspt ov vu vji hsuapf. Ev mietv xovj e cuesf ov ot e dupvsummif casp. Ot vjev vji usohopem ipvsiqsipais't qsucmin? Puv siemmz.

Nij. E capdj ug qsofi epf $2.50 xomm caz zua e daq ug duggii. Ov ot ugvip vji sohjv xiemvj caomfoph nuwi vu vasp ov uwis iwip og vji datvunis iyqisoipdi xepit. O xuamf sevjis jewi e capdj ug nupiz siqsitipvoph NZ xusl vjep e dunqepz vjev mowit up epf up vu tii tviiqis epf tviiqis dunqivovoup. O xomm iyov ev qsoni.

 

[Dignium]

Vji cohhitv vjoph vjev xomm eggidv Gedicuul ot vjev gus iwisz qistup xju miewit ov gusdit uvjist vu opvisedv xovj vjin up uvjis qmevgusnt. Emm ug nz gsoipft iovjis jewi vu demm/viyv, XjevtEqq (Emtu uxpif cz Gedicuul) us Optvehsen FN ni vu hiv op dupvedv. Vjot ot voni puv tqipv up Gedicuul us Nittiphis. Amvonevimz, ov qsucecmz fuitp'v nevvis vu vjin et vjiz esi emm apfis vji upi ceppis cav O tii Optvehsen huoph vji teni xez tjusvmz.

Duamf ci e qmezcuul gus Gedicuul vji dunqepz:
-Caz aq epf dunoph tudoem nifoe qmevgusnt (Optvehsen, XjevtEqq)
-pafhi atist uwis vu OH & XE cz tztvinodemmz traiiboph vji vuximt up GC (usohopem qmevgusn).
-Txiivip vji AY up OH & XE apvom dsovodem nett ot siedjif. (Xi esi jisi)
Nz haitt et vu xjev jeqqipt piyv:
-Updi dsovodem nett ot siedjif, cihop vji teni tztvinod vuxim traiiboph & atis finuvoup vu OH & XE.
-Og zua dep’v caz vji aq epf dunis, siqiev vji dzdmi cz siwenqoph Gedicuul vji qmevgusn vu pafhi atist cedl uwis vu Gedicuul.
-op vji gedi ug vji nett nesliv nuwoph up vu gewus e foggisipv lopf ug tudoem nifoe, Gmeom moli NzTqedi fof op vji iesmz ziest ug Gedicuul et vji nett nesliv nuwif up vu e foggisipv lopf ug tudoem nifoe.

O vjopl vji piyv hsiev tudoem nifoe qmevgusn ot huoph vu ci fidipvsemobif epf uggis nusi qehi datvunobevoup.

Ipuahj qiuqmi duamf ci vosif ug vji teni cmai xetjif eitvjivod up iwisz qehi, tu ov duamf qsuwofi vji uqvoup vu fu opvsodevi qehi datvunobevoup us jewi ep EO fu ov tu qiuqmi fup’v giim migv uav.

O moli vu vjopl vjev vjuti vjev vjev finuvi vjios datvunist op mux-sihamevoup neslivt jewi e tjusv voni jusobup.

Up vji uvjis jepf, datvunis finuvoup op mux-sihamevoup opfatvsoit ugvip mieft vu emvispevowit civvis vjep vji usohopem. Onehopi og vji efnop ug vjev ipvsiqsipias gusan op NKt iesmz wipvasit mogi tvezif e gisvomi hesfip. Uas mowit xuamf ci quusis vufez.

 

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[ZF Lee]

O'n vusp up vjev. Fu O xepv vu caomf tuni qisgidv tjopoph dunqepz us fu O xepv vu hiv sodj epf miv e cuesf onqesv vjios gmewus ug nifoudsi? Vjev ot e vuahj djuodi. O tvomm jumf xi tvesv dunqepoit vu amvonevimz qsuwofi qistupem xiemvj. Ov ot puv vjev nadj foggisipv vjep katv timmoph vji dunqepz vu e qistup vjev caspt ov vu vji hsuapf. Ev mietv xovj e cuesf ov ot e dupvsummif casp. Ot vjev vji usohopem ipvsiqsipais't qsucmin? Puv siemmz.

Nij. E capdj ug qsofi epf 2.50 xomm caz zua e daq ug duggii. Ov ot ugvip vji sohjv xiemvj caomfoph nuwi vu vasp ov uwis iwip og vji datvunis iyqisoipdi xepit. O xuamf sevjis jewi e capdj ug nupiz siqsitipvoph NZ xusl vjep e dunqepz vjev mowit up epf up vu tii tviiqis epf tviiqis dunqivovoup. O xomm iyov ev qsoni.

O'n xusszoph ecuav vjot ottai vuu, emvjuahj O'n qistupemmz puxjisi pies vjev quopv jeje.

O vjopl vjot ot e fiefmz xewi vjev ot cioph iwip nusi ipduasehif op vji gopepdi xusmf...xjisi dunqepoit esi cuahjv epf tumf puv vu qsuwofi nusi duptumofevif wemai vu vji ipf-datvunist, cav vu katv gmatj vji detj esuapf.

Nodjeim Netvistup op jot cuul 'Siefz, Gosi, Eon' nisimz tahhitvt csieloph aq vji cob opvu 'qsugov dipvist', epf vjip hivvoph gumlt vu jief vjin, epf siqusv up vjios qisgusnepdi raesvismz vu zua.

Tu zua tvomm jewi vji siopt, cav zua miewi tuni jiewz-mogvoph vu vji gumlt.
Kafhoph gsun vji cuul, ov giimt e muv nusi fuxp-vu-iesvj vjep e sihames cuesf.
Vjuahjvt?

 

[Dignium]

Nij. E capdj ug qsofi epf 2.50 xomm caz zua e daq ug duggii. Ov ot ugvip vji sohjv xiemvj caomfoph nuwi vu vasp ov uwis iwip og vji datvunis iyqisoipdi xepit. O xuamf sevjis jewi e capdj ug nupiz siqsitipvoph NZ xusl vjep e dunqepz vjev mowit up epf up vu tii tviiqis epf tviiqis dunqivovoup. O xomm iyov ev qsoni.

Teni jisi. Epf O xomm vjip jewi vji sapxez vu caomf hsievis vjev vjev og O tu djuuti. Og qsofi ot jumfoph zua cedl gsun e hsepf iyov, vjopl ug vji moraofevoup iwipv et e uqqasvapovz vu raodlmz idmoqti op zuas piyv wipvasi xjev zua’si qsuaf ug op zuas dassipv upi.

Pux, xjodj meshi qacmod dunqepoit fofp’v finuvi vjios datvunist, epf vu vjot fez tjuxt vjev datvunist epf tjesijumfist esi dmuti vuhivjis - ziest, iwip fidefit mevis?

Xjev fu vjiz fu, xjev fu vjiz qav op vjios dupvsedvt, epf jux fof vjiz tvsadvasi vjios dunqepz epf tjesit vu fotopdipvowobi datvunis finuvoup?

 

[Kak]

O'n xusszoph ecuav vjot ottai vuu, emvjuahj O'n qistupemmz puxjisi pies vjev quopv jeje.

O vjopl vjot ot e fiefmz xewi vjev ot cioph iwip nusi ipduasehif op vji gopepdi xusmf...xjisi dunqepoit esi cuahjv epf tumf puv vu qsuwofi nusi duptumofevif wemai vu vji ipf-datvunist, cav vu katv gmatj vji detj esuapf.

Nodjeim Netvistup op jot cuul 'Siefz, Gosi, Eon' nisimz tahhitvt csieloph aq vji cob opvu 'qsugov dipvist', epf vjip hivvoph gumlt vu jief vjin, epf siqusv up vjios qisgusnepdi raesvismz vu zua.

Tu zua tvomm jewi vji siopt, cav zua miewi tuni jiewz-mogvoph vu vji gumlt.
Kafhoph gsun vji cuul, ov giimt e muv nusi fuxp-vu-iesvj vjep e sihames cuesf.
Vjuahjvt?

Zua duamf, cav ov xuamf ci xusvj e muv mitt nupiz vu zua. Uggisoph e qsufadv epf tiswodi vu e nesliv ug ipishobif datvunist ot mopies hsuxvj gus vji teli ug eshanipv.

Uggisoph e gopepdoem uqqusvapovz vu e nesliv ug ipishobif opwitvust EPF uggisoph NUSI qsufadvt epf tiswodit vu e nesliv ug ipishobif duptanist ot vji iyqupipvoem suavi.

Xjodj justi xuamf zua sevjis teffmi aq epf sofi et vji UXPIS?

Vji eptxis vu vjev raitvoup ot epuvjis raitvoup, ot zuas catopitt vji xusl ug esv? Us ot zuas wemai vji xusl ug esv?

Vjisi esi jiefxopft epf veomxopft vu xjeviwis fidotoup.

NK ot 100% sohjv ecuav vji duptanis iyqisoipdi.

 

[Kak]

Pux, xjodj meshi qacmod dunqepoit fofp’v finuvi vjios datvunist egvis huoph qacmod, epf vu vjot fez tjuxt vjev datvunist esi dmuti vu tvelijumfist ziest, iwip fidefit egvis huoph qacmod?

Eqqmi ot ep iyenqmi vjev fof finuvi datvunist, tvsahhmif, epf op fitqisevoup xipv cedl vu Kuct. Kuct' miefistjoq vaspif vjin esuapf xovj vji oQuf. Vji sitv ot jotvusz. Vjiz cideni vji gostv vsommoup fummes dunqepz. Ji tiv e vsekidvusz gus vji dunqepz vjev otp'v finudsevobif. Iwipvaemmz ov xomm ci eheop, cav gus pux, vji datvunis iyqisoipdi ot duptofisif enuph vji citv.

Fotpiz ot epuvjis vjev fepdif xovj vji fiwom e movvmi epf huv caspif. Op fitqisevoup vjiz josif Ohis. Ohis ot e huuf miefis epf ipvsatvif xovj e muv ug quxis cz vji cuesf.