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It's great that he's buying it but I can already see the negativity the media is trying to create. There was an article in an Irish paper saying how Elon buying Twitter is going to be "dangerous"
 

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I was on Twitter for a bit last year and thought it was great. I never saw any political or woke stuff, just tech stuff. My feed slowly starting filling with money Twitter when I got into a publishing schedule instead of just interacting with people… so I left, but before that I made loads of great connections. I think Twitter’s strength is the ability to network with other business owners and interesting people - so long as you move in those circles.


My thoughts…first post- had to get this out of my system
Electric Cars are an Industry, Not a company

Elon Musk went on a tweet jag this past weekend, making fun of Bill Gates physical appearance and his supposed lack of allegiance to solving climate change because he is shorting Tesla, a company that manufactures electric cars and power cells. Elon posits that Bill should keep his money where his mouth is and support his electric car company. Apparently he wants support with blinders: ones that can only allow him to see Tesla electric cars. Perhaps Bill, knowing a little bit about business, is leery of the Tesla business model, not the electric car. Maybe Bill is shorting so he can go long in GM, or Ford, or Electra Meccanica, or perhaps another up and coming electric car producer that is just gearing up and will provide greater returns. Elon is twisting a situation to keep Tesla in the collective mind as the only producer worth support. Blind allegiance is dangerous- it subverts individual responsibility and the need to continue to research and learn. It is easy to rely on reputation, but reputation must be continually earned.

You can love Microsoft products, but not like Bill Gates’ association with Jeffrey Epstein. You can appreciate Bill Gates in his early days, but recognize that people change, so allegiances can, also. The producer is not the product, the product is not the industry, and shorting a stock is a financial move, not a philanthropy statement.


This is a bigger deal than just shorting a stock. Elon Musk’s purchase of Twitter because he “believes in its potential to be the platform for free speech…” sounds sincere. On Twitter he is free to disagree with Bill Gates shorting Tesla, and to tweet about it all he wants. But, let's watch the way influence is thrown around. Free speech is our democratic right and seems to have been under attack lately. Dissent has been edited, and Elon is saying Twitter will be the new safe space. We need to hold him to that idea by responsibly reading and considering every tweet we read and retweet. It is in the retweet that we profess our support- we don’t need Big Tech to squash stories, or to spread disinformation. We will have that ability- to agree or disagree. This opportunity to post and process, uncensored, can open our reality to one that maybe Bill Gates sees: Tesla isn't the only game in town, nor is twitter, and with discernment, we can go long on opportunities without having our ethics questioned. Rather than content moderation, we need exposure to the truth in order to make our own decisions and look to media as a means for unbiased data to determine our own viewpoints, rather than as primarily entertainment.
 
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Hold on. I never said “Electric cars are an industry, not a company”. What did you mean to quote?
 

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So you believe in the NWO? could you give us a small summary on why? I don't believe in it but if you believe it I really want to know why
NWO = New World Order??? It's Bladerunner. Corporations control everything.

Every five years reminds me of how prophetic this movie was. Even though I still don't have a flying car.
 

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Are the medias tantrums fake outrage? Or real outrage that’s allowed because it fits a narrative?

We could definitely be being tricked by controlled opposition, who knows.

He got everyone to buy teslas which the govt wants. These can be turned off remotely and the range could be limited by software once we have our social credit system. I saw a meme about usa asking Tesla to activate the kill switch in all Russian teslas. Was it true I don’t know but it doesn’t matter. It’s 100% possible to do and I believe the reason why they are pushing evs so hard.

He wants to remove bots on Twitter probably by introducing a digital ID.

People are worried bill gates is putting chips in them with the vaccine which is laughable but Elon actually wants to put chips in peoples brains.

He’s big into crypto, crypto is literally just people being allowed to and coerced into building and testing the technology needed for the CBDC. Doge Is probably the closest to the type of tech they’d need. Not to mention how much of the money that was printed was swallowed into it.

Who knows. Either way I don’t even use Twitter, maybe it’s time to start.
 
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He wants to remove bots on Twitter probably by introducing a digital ID.
Winner, Winner , Chicken Dinner !

This is the next logical step in harnessing control of Twitter which is driving and providing cover for the current narratives the government and those in power are pushing(BLM, Ukraine, Russia, Covid, etc). This will be done under the auspices of removing bots, removing influence from Russia/China, etc( they do have bots and it is a problem, how big is up for debate).

The big tradeoff however is that there will be no more anonymity on Twitter at least from the Government/Twitter end, they may not show who you are to other users(or they may who knows).
We are entering a phase where a lot of this tech is going to get locked down and the narratives and movements are going to be tightly controlled on the big platforms.

Those thinking Elon is somehow against the government are dreaming, he may have some troubles with the SEC but he is cozy with the agencies that matter(intellegence/defense). Hell SpaceEx is nothing without the government contracts, Tesla is a bit different but has sucked at the government teat for a while also, it has especially benefited from California/Fed Cap and Trade policies meant to protect the environment, one company I worked for would buy millions of carbon credits from Tesla in order to operate in California.

Not against Elon, but not a cheerleader for him either, this is a business and it's about control, to think anything different is naive for people at this level.
 

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5 things that are more appropriate for Elon to spend on his $44b than Twitter:

1. Whatever
2. The
3. Hell
4. He
5. Wants.

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I don’t use twitter, but I found something that Kevin O’Leary said very interesting.

He said something to the affect that people go to Facebook and TikTok and actively consume their content, but Twitter content is not consumed but rather pushed out to people via websites.

It’s that true, do you guys that use Twitter open actually scroll through it to see tweets? Or do you find out about tweets through a third party website?
 

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I don’t use twitter, but I found something that Kevin O’Leary said very interesting.

He said something to the affect that people go to Facebook and TikTok and actively consume their content, but Twitter content is not consumed but rather pushed out to people via websites.

It’s that true, do you guys that use Twitter open actually scroll through it to see tweets? Or do you find out about tweets through a third party website?
Definitely true, I said it somewhere else that all the media need to do is stop quoting people from Twitter and it would probably start to die and become irrelevant.

It’s almost like they’re the ones who have been keeping it alive and relevant this whole time

I went on Twitter today for the first time and it’s worse than I thought, I don’t think I’ll be back.

All I did was click Elon musks I’m buying coke tweet and was greeted by the most far left nonsense I’ve ever seen in my life.

I’m not sure what usa is like but these people don’t actually exist in Australia, at least I’ve never met one, nor do I know a single real person who actually uses Twitter.
 

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I think the point O'Leary was trying to make is while Twitter doesn't count every single citizen as a user. Every single political and journalist type uses the site. So trending topics and points of argument influence political policy and are pushed out by the journalists to more mainstream publications. In effect, twitter controls public discourse.

Trump didn't use Twitter to "bypass the media", instead he used it to generate outrage on the platform which then became the biggest news on mainstream media.

Elon has used pretty much the same textbook on his "personal brand" rise.
 
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I think the point O'Leary was trying to make is while Twitter doesn't count every single citizen as a user. Every single political and journalist type uses the site. So trending topics and points of argument influence political policy and are pushed out by the journalists to more mainstream publications. In effect, twitter controls public discourse.
100%, it's used to push public narratives(Ukraine, BLM, etc).
 

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I don't happen to think free speech has ever existed or ever will in a public forum. Those spaces are always owned and controlled by someone or something with an agenda. It's just a matter of degree. We like to beat the free speech drum in the United States, but there are plenty of countries throughout history where societies believe it's the responsibility of the government to protect them from dangerous ideas. North Korea, Russia and China are easy examples, but every country criminalizes speech to a greater or lesser degree. Anywhere there's a strong ruler or a strong religion, there are sharp restrictions about what the citizens can say about the people in charge and the policies in place. Egypt, Britain, Iran, WWII Germany / Italy / Japan / US, just keep on going until every country that ever existed is listed.

In the US, there's endless examples of prohibited speech ranging from treason, killing government officials, divulging classified information, child pornography, murder for hire, defamation, libel. It's a lengthy list and silly to pretend that a new owner will transform Twitter into a magical wonderland without any restrictions. I've become a bit less fanatical about supporting free speech over the years because moderation is what makes it possible for societies to function.

How many times does the bomb squad and SWAT get deployed before someone decides that Tom has lost his free speech tweeting privileges? Elon himself is notable for blocking people who disagree with his tweets. So much for free speech absolutism. Of course Twitter censors users. So what. It's a private platform. It's a balancing act when a large chunk of their user base simply doesn't want to hear such things and will leave the platform otherwise. If you don't like how Twitter makes its decisions, go start your own platform. You can literally download open-source clones for free.

Most of Twitter's censorship is simply business survival coupled with bureaucracy. All governments and every public arena relies on guidelines and censorship because zero content moderation reliably devolves along two lines: anarchy and propaganda. Bots are simply regurgitating content from a person. Forcing everyone to register to "verify humanity" will change nothing.

What else keeps Twitter (or any public arena) from turning into 8Chan, various subreddits or Russia Today?
 

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It will be interesting to see the new API and ways of improving the system. Dorsey stucked on repeat and got some bias about it.
Twitter could become an open platform connected to a blockchain in order to bring governance into free speech.

There is hope and some shines of light on this strange times.
 
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Best case scenario - it becomes a legit free speech platform and things get moving back in the right direction.

Worse case scenario - it’s another platform owned by some billionaire who has their own interests in mind. Basically more of the same.

So it can’t really get worst than it already is and there is plenty of upside potential.

Either way it’s fun to watch the richest guy alive have some fun and actually spice it up. Guys like Zuckerberg make being a billionaire look so boring.

Like what’s the point of building so much wealth and not doing something wild. Buying Twitter and causing everyone to panic is hilarious.

So not sure how this plays out but it will be fun to watch.
 

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I think the point O'Leary was trying to make is while Twitter doesn't count every single citizen as a user. Every single political and journalist type uses the site. So trending topics and points of argument influence political policy and are pushed out by the journalists to more mainstream publications. In effect, twitter controls public discourse.
Yes, so twitter is kind of in a space by itself.

Twitter is being pushed out to the mainstream. You never see an article quote a facebook or IG post, even if they are public posts. If you don't go to Facebook, you wouldn't know that xxxx outrage exists. But some no name with 10 followers makes a twitter post and people are quoting it left and right.

Imagine if the media were lurking on this forum searching for gossip or anything controversial. So someone makes an anti-XXXX post and CNN runs with it. Pretty soon, anything said on this forum gets amplified and shared. Next thing you know, they are trying to censor the forum or calling on MJ to put in more rules.
 

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I didn't entirely finish reading this whole thread yet, so somebody might have already said this.

A share in a company isn't 'yours.' What you are actually doing is lending the company money, whenever you 'buy a share.' They borrowed money from you, and now, they're paying it back. That's what happens whenever they 'liquidate the shares.'

Do you own the 'income stream' aspect of a stock? Can you just demand to keep on receiving that income stream from the dividends? They have an obligation to pay you those dividends if you own the stock. If they want to stop paying dividends to everybody, it seems like they should have the right to stop, by being allowed to pay back the money you lent them.

It's sort of like a credit card company demanding that they want you to keep paying interest to them, just because they enjoy receiving interest payments from you. They don't have a right to stop you from paying back your credit cards so you can stop paying that interest. They don't have the right to 'own' you as a person, seeing you as a tradeable object whose value goes up and down on a graph, as you are the source of the income stream.

So if you try to own a stock share forever, it's like you're the credit card company who refuses to allow a borrower to pay them back.

I wonder if he could make Twitter into something similar to YaCy, the peer-to-peer search engine. I'm trying to imagine what the 'public square' concept would be like. Is he changing the fundamental concept of what Twitter is and how it works?
 
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This is not a hate post. (And i dont use twitter)
Elon Musk has convinced people that he is their saviour through Public relation campaign.
Much of his image is based on dishonesty.
I think twitter has hell of a data about how people think and other personal data which can be used in various ways(neurolink?). Big data is all someone need to control people and their minds. Why is he interested in social media so much? I think the answer again is data. 44B$ is lot of money someone is going to pay for it (maybe the people themselves) and we all know if we are getting something for free we are the product.
Now about his vison and all, i have read some comments about how workers in his company are overloaded and not paid well. "There are reasons why some astronauts do not agree with his vison and all" and people think its because they are jealous of elon's succes(why the f will someone who has stepped on moon be jealous of someone.
A good criticism on him
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This is a good point about the data and all the information/insights Twitter has, that alone makes it incredibly valuable. Especially since he's really into AI and that whole world.
 

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This is a good point about the data and all the information/insights Twitter has, that alone makes it incredibly valuable. Especially since he's really into AI and that whole world.
Yes ma'am whole lot of data and advanced AI is pretty hazardous combination IMO.
Very few people think about privacy now a days and this causes them to be controlled by media (media in the sense online social media and offline our mainstream). Our unconscious mind is really affected by media which further affect our decisions and critical thinking.
 

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The CCP automated facial recognition cameras must have alerted them that Elon Musk was visiting China.
 

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What else keeps Twitter (or any public arena) from turning into 8Chan, various subreddits or Russia Today?
There's something about the way Twitter works that causes it to be used in the way that it's used. A reddit forum, or this forum here, has topics that you can find from 'above' somewhere, in a directory. You can choose which topics you're interested in, and then go see a discussion going on about those topics. On twitter, you only have 'trending' topics, which are fake trends, of course. Other than that, it's hard to search for a topic in such a way that you can find everybody, everywhere, talking about that topic, in a coherent back-and-forth way. There are isolated individuals scattered all over the world, commenting about some particular thing, maybe with a hashtag, but they are not talking to each other necessarily, or responding to each other, necessarily.

This was actually something I hated about Twitter in the beginning whenever I first tried to use it. You get on, and you're looking at a blank screen, with nothing. You can't find some kind of directory and start browsing stuff that's going on in those topics that you want. You have to know about some individual's existence first, and go hunting for them.

So the media decided to follow celebrities, that is, people whose existence they already know about. Then they can quote some random thing that celebrity X said. It's celebrity-oriented, rather than topic-oriented with a directory of topics. 'Trending topics' isn't the same as 'general categories.' There is really no coherence to those 'trending topics,' unless you just love browsing things totally at random and receiving whatever propaganda they want to give you that day. Its way of functioning is different.

Twitter doesn't even behave like birds, because if you were a bird, you would be able to go into a local area, then hear everything being tweeted around you within a certain range. There's nothing analogous to that. There's no way to passively browse on Twitter at all, or passively listen, without already knowing what you're searching for. It's not like a public forum, in that way, either. So that's why people find things just because some news article mentioned, 'Celebrity X said so-and-so!' There's no method of just lurking on Twitter to see what's going on, everywhere, without actively searching for something specific.

In the old days, there were internet directories, too, and I liked those. Humans attempted to make a directory with categories for the whole internet. Nowadays, you have the 'just a blank box' type of search engine everywhere. The directories stopped existing back in the early 2000s because it took real work for humans to try to put things into categories. It was like a phone book. Phone directories are extremely useful, if they have the white pages with the business listings, in addition to the yellow pages with the ads. A lot of people aren't even getting phone directories anymore now that they're not on landlines.
 
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Looks like the deal is on hold as all the spam and fake accounts are verified. No surprise here...
 
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There's something about the way Twitter works that causes it to be used in the way that it's used. A reddit forum, or this forum here, has topics that you can find from 'above' somewhere, in a directory. You can choose which topics you're interested in, and then go see a discussion going on about those topics. On twitter, you only have 'trending' topics, which are fake trends, of course. Other than that, it's hard to search for a topic in such a way that you can find everybody, everywhere, talking about that topic, in a coherent back-and-forth way. There are isolated individuals scattered all over the world, commenting about some particular thing, maybe with a hashtag, but they are not talking to each other necessarily, or responding to each other, necessarily.

This was actually something I hated about Twitter in the beginning whenever I first tried to use it. You get on, and you're looking at a blank screen, with nothing. You can't find some kind of directory and start browsing stuff that's going on in those topics that you want. You have to know about some individual's existence first, and go hunting for them.

So the media decided to follow celebrities, that is, people whose existence they already know about. Then they can quote some random thing that celebrity X said. It's celebrity-oriented, rather than topic-oriented with a directory of topics. 'Trending topics' isn't the same as 'general categories.' There is really no coherence to those 'trending topics,' unless you just love browsing things totally at random and receiving whatever propaganda they want to give you that day. Its way of functioning is different.

Twitter doesn't even behave like birds, because if you were a bird, you would be able to go into a local area, then hear everything being tweeted around you within a certain range. There's nothing analogous to that. There's no way to passively browse on Twitter at all, or passively listen, without already knowing what you're searching for. It's not like a public forum, in that way, either. So that's why people find things just because some news article mentioned, 'Celebrity X said so-and-so!' There's no method of just lurking on Twitter to see what's going on, everywhere, without actively searching for something specific.

In the old days, there were internet directories, too, and I liked those. Humans attempted to make a directory with categories for the whole internet. Nowadays, you have the 'just a blank box' type of search engine everywhere. The directories stopped existing back in the early 2000s because it took real work for humans to try to put things into categories. It was like a phone book. Phone directories are extremely useful, if they have the white pages with the business listings, in addition to the yellow pages with the ads. A lot of people aren't even getting phone directories anymore now that they're not on landlines.
That’s an interesting idea actually.

Community Facebook groups are popular, people post things for sale and complain and ask questions and organise events, but a community Twitter where you could just go and see what everyone in your area is saying like birds chirping would be cool.

The news and Twitter makes it seem like everyone’s a woke moron but I don’t know any in real life, I don’t even know anyone that cares about anything to even know what someone woke is. I’m not sure if I just have great people around me or if that’s just how everyone in the real world actually thinks. I guess only those sort of extreme people on either side would even go on a platform like that, let alone post on one so that’s how that happens.
 

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The news and Twitter makes it seem like everyone’s a woke moron but I don’t know any in real life, I don’t even know anyone that cares about anything to even know what someone woke is. I’m not sure if I just have great people around me or if that’s just how everyone in the real world actually thinks. I guess only those sort of extreme people on either side would even go on a platform like that, let alone post on one so that’s how that happens.
I really think a lot of the extreme views you see are (A) a select few really loud people and (B) bots.
 

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This was actually something I hated about Twitter in the beginning whenever I first tried to use it. You get on, and you're looking at a blank screen, with nothing. You can't find some kind of directory and start browsing stuff that's going on in those topics that you want. You have to know about some individual's existence first, and go hunting for them.

So the media decided to follow celebrities, that is, people whose existence they already know about. Then they can quote some random thing that celebrity X said. It's celebrity-oriented, rather than topic-oriented with a directory of topics. 'Trending topics' isn't the same as 'general categories.' There is really no coherence to those 'trending topics,' unless you just love browsing things totally at random and receiving whatever propaganda they want to give you that day. Its way of functioning is different.
Have you tried using twitter lately? And by lately I mean since November 2019. This is from the site itself: "Looking to follow a Topic? From your profile menu, on your Home timeline, and in search results, you'll see prompts to follow various Topics. Simply follow the Topic and we'll personalize your Twitter experience with relevant Tweets, events, and ads." So although you made some good points, not all of them are entirely accurate.
 
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Have you tried using twitter lately? And by lately I mean since November 2019. This is from the site itself: "Looking to follow a Topic? From your profile menu, on your Home timeline, and in search results, you'll see prompts to follow various Topics. Simply follow the Topic and we'll personalize your Twitter experience with relevant Tweets, events, and ads." So although you made some good points, not all of them are entirely accurate.
Well, I went and looked at that. All of them were topics that I myself had already been following. I had already been following people who were talking about those topics. So the topics in that list didn't exist before I got there and started following people. It wasn't a general list of all pre-existing topics in the universe, which I could browse through. I found it in the 'more' section, which is a button that I never press, because the word 'more' is meaningless and uninviting and uninformative - how the heck am I supposed to guess that there would be something useful in that section? I'm not curious about just going around and pressing the buttons on the websites. It has to be right out there on the front page where I can see it - I don't want a 'topics' section that's buried in a hard-to-find place that I didn't know existed. Also, I don't like anything where they just give you more of what you were already interested in. I want unexpected things to happen. I have the same problem with Quora - I went there once or twice, and now, I get these hundreds of recommendations in my email telling me to go look at some question there in the exact same topic, about the exact same stuff again, forever. There's no unexpectedness. With a pre-existing directory of all general topics, I can randomly click on something and say, 'That's interesting!' and look at some totally bizarre thing that I never knew existed. I can't do that every day forever, and it isn't enough to get me engaged in using the site very often, but it's better than the topics list that twitter showed me.
 

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This is not a hate post. (And i dont use twitter)
Elon Musk has convinced people that he is their saviour through Public relation campaign.
Much of his image is based on dishonesty.
I think twitter has hell of a data about how people think and other personal data which can be used in various ways(neurolink?). Big data is all someone need to control people and their minds. Why is he interested in social media so much? I think the answer again is data. 44B$ is lot of money someone is going to pay for it (maybe the people themselves) and we all know if we are getting something for free we are the product.
Now about his vison and all, i have read some comments about how workers in his company are overloaded and not paid well. "There are reasons why some astronauts do not agree with his vison and all" and people think its because they are jealous of elon's succes(why the f will someone who has stepped on moon be jealous of someone.
A good criticism on him
View: https://youtu.be/Dkix4UzEbjU


Perfectly put, the guy is a massive fraud and hugely dangerous, yet he has loads of fans. All he has to do is tweet out Doge is great and all these idiots start retweeting him saying he's some kind of digital saviour.

For me, when he said "we'll coup whoever we want" just so Tesla could get cheaper Lithium, that told me everything I need to know about him.
 

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