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HOT TOPIC What's going on with Elon Musk? Eccentric or going mad?

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I get the feeling from their tone that many people in this thread want him to fail. Not just lludgiwg (who has a financial stake in that).

As usual it's the 3 digit rep people...

But he's not above the law.
What he did was illegal
That's the thing with legality, an example: if you sell something at too high a price, it must be because you've monopolized; if you sell something at too low a price, you're "dumping"; and if you sell at the same price as a competitor, it's collusion.

The system is rigged so that at that level you can't win unless you grease people in government. Just because you broke the law, doesn't mean you did something immoral or wrong. The statute books are several feet thick.
 

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I get the feeling from their tone that many people in this thread want him to fail. Not just lludgiwg (who has a financial stake in that).

 

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I get the feeling from their tone that many people in this thread want him to fail. Not just lludgiwg (who has a financial stake in that).

I don't "want" him to fail. There are things about Musk that are great as far as his ability to envision new things. Execution is where he sucks at and Tesla is a great example of this.

Fact of the matter, Tesla isn't a profitable company nor likely will be a profitable company in the near future (5-10 years). If anything, needs more money injected to stay afloat. If you say otherwise you are simply a Musk fanboi and aren't looking at the company objectively. Keep all of this in mind this is in a good economic backdrop, look out below if we have a recession in the next 2-3 years. Telsa is a ticking timebomb because of the debt load.

Perhaps you don't understand the purpose of shorting and its purpose in capital markets. Musk *loves* the capital markets when they are for him but not so much when someone makes a bet against him (like how dare they!) Sorry not all ideas are great and what matters is execution.

His smugness against shorts like myself is beyond belief.

His lack of ethics is what I completely dislike about Musk, not his inventiveness.

That's the thing with legality, an example: if you sell something at too high a price, it must be because you've monopolized; if you sell something at too low a price, you're "dumping"; and if you sell at the same price as a competitor, it's collusion.

The system is rigged so that at that level you can't win unless you grease people in government. Just because you broke the law, doesn't mean you did something immoral or wrong. The statute books are several feet thick.

Huh???

No, he purposely made a statement saying "funding secured" which means specific things in legal and SEC rules. He obviously did NOT have "funding secured" and purposely raised the price of the stock from its current evaluations. That's a classic pump and dump.

This is the specuation part, but more than likely did this against the shorts and because of the convertable bonds coming due soon.
 
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I’m no mastermind, but I am an INTJ. For me, the MB’s test is spot-on, to the tune of about 95%.


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mastermind is a inner potential for rational people who can understand things when they are exposed to the right knowledge

this is a mindset


i doubt that you really are an INTJ

otherwise you would be curious about what i am saying right now

instead of denying the whole thing





when i was young, i was naive like everyone else . i was part of the management of the human energy like everyone else

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society is a yin yang system

masterminds ( yang, intelligence ) are able to extract value from the system without really giving value in return to the masses ( naive and yin )

this was discovered by american social engineers in the 50's

and capitalism immediately knew there was something to do with this





.





 

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a lot of guys ask me in private conversations about those " masterminds " i am talking about


so what's the point with these guys that i consider "masterminds " and are INTJs or rational at least , according to the mbti theory


just look at the picture for a moment





Bobby Fischer . chess world champion and genius

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Arnold Schwarzenneger

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Jay Abraham, pope of marketing

jay abraham.jpg


Jim Rohn , business philosopher

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Elon Musk , visionnary

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Putin, Russian leader

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Stuart Goldsmith, innercircle philosophy

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Sun Tzu, military strategist


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Eben Pagan , marketing guru and investor


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Nietszche, philosopher

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any guess ?


these guys are not on earth to be part of the crowd


these guys are on earth to honour intelligence and intelligence has nothing to do with being a good sheep in a controlled society



so i won't go further because this is too deep at your level

but think on it

 

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I did. It led to me using the ignore user feature. Thanks!


yes , thanks.

in fact if 80 % of people are not disliking what i say, then there is something wrong with my writing

only 20 % of people should be curious

this is the pareto principle at work

if 80 % of people agree with me then i have nothing to do on this forum
 

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this leads to a very important idea from Eben Pagan


wich is " NARROW YOUR NICHE "


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you don't want to be everything for everyone


like God or Jesus


this is absurd


you want to be the solution for the best 20 % of the niche ( pareto principle )


people have to feel understood

they should immediately say " this is great " or " this is BS " when being exposed to your marketing


20 % of people should say " this is great , i feel understood "

80 % of people should say " this is BS , i leave "

people should never be confused : " i don't know about this "

this is yes or no . to the point .

this is great or BS from people point of view

it worked very very very well for Eben .


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBVNesjOdC8




.



so yes, if everybody says i am great then i am doing something wrong

only a few people should like what i share about masterminds




.
 

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Lately Elon Musk has been making some odd comments and making eyebrows rise.

From the sales conference call some weeks ago where he made some bizarre comments, to Twitter barbs, to this Thai cave rescue thing and calling some critic a PEDO, his comments are starting to make people wonder. Lately he's been sounding more like Trump and not unlike any other corporate figure of a publicly traded company.

Elon Musk tweets he'll "bet ya a signed dollar" that Thai cave rescuer is a "pedo"

5 outrageous Elon Musk moments from the bizarre Tesla call

I'm sure Nikola Tesla was considered an odd-ball in his day and age, so is this just Elon being Elon?

Is this his eccentricity or do you think something else is going on?

A billionaire with FU money saying FU?

There have been insiders suggesting he's under enormous stress. From what I know, he has a wife and lots of children, plus he's managing 2 billion-dollar companies basically simultaneously, which doesn't sound very conducive to a stress-free lifestyle. He hates short-sellers of Tesla and I believe made his comment about taking Tesla private as a way to perhaps scare short sellers. Now we know he was bluffing and decided to keep Tesla public. I'm leaning towards eccentric rather than mad. Of course if he had as little money as I do he'd most definitely be considered crazy.
 

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Bobby Fischer . chess world champion and genius

I thought this guy was Count Dooku from Star Wars. the first time I potted him on your profile pic haha.
Now I know...

this leads to a very important idea from Eben Pagan


wich is " NARROW YOUR NICHE "


View attachment 21371


you don't want to be everything for everyone


like God or Jesus


this is absurd


you want to be the solution for the best 20 % of the niche ( pareto principle )


people have to feel understood

they should immediately say " this is great " or " this is BS " when being exposed to your marketing


20 % of people should say " this is great , i feel understood "

80 % of people should say " this is BS , i leave "

people should never be confused : " i don't know about this "

this is yes or no . to the point .

this is great or BS from people point of view

it worked very very very well for Eben .


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBVNesjOdC8

Brand dilution. Stretching yourself too thin that you allow gaps or weaknesses to show up.

I think that this pretty much sums up how I f*cked up on freelancing, even now.

I was trying to do all the damned things with even the slightest relation to my intended field of focus. I went in to do copywriting, but got popped into writing articles, VA and the lot. I was in for too much of the time.

Don't.
 

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Tesla just surpassed Mercedes for U.S sales. The Model 3 alone sold 18,900units with an average selling price of $60k in August making it the 5th best selling sedan in the U.S surpassing the Nissan Altima and Sentra.
 

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a lot of guys ask me in private conversations about those " masterminds " i am talking about


so what's the point with these guys that i consider "masterminds " and are INTJs or rational at least , according to the mbti theory


just look at the picture for a moment





Bobby Fischer . chess world champion and genius

View attachment 21346


Arnold Schwarzenneger

View attachment 21347



Jay Abraham, pope of marketing

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Jim Rohn , business philosopher

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Elon Musk , visionnary

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Putin, Russian leader

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Stuart Goldsmith, innercircle philosophy

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Sun Tzu, military strategist


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Eben Pagan , marketing guru and investor


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Nietszche, philosopher

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any guess ?


these guys are not on earth to be part of the crowd


these guys are on earth to honour intelligence and intelligence has nothing to do with being a good sheep in a controlled society



so i won't go further because this is too deep at your level

but think on it
You know, I used to think about the same stuff when I was 16 and stoned off my a$$.

But now I think it’s bullshit. I guess all that weed killed some brain cells and now it’s “too deep at my level.”

Since you have it all figured out, what billion-dollar multinational corporation are you the founder of?

Or do you just peddle Eben Pagan videos for a small fee?
 

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this leads to a very important idea from Eben Pagan


wich is " NARROW YOUR NICHE "


View attachment 21371


you don't want to be everything for everyone


like God or Jesus


this is absurd


you want to be the solution for the best 20 % of the niche ( pareto principle )


people have to feel understood

they should immediately say " this is great " or " this is BS " when being exposed to your marketing


20 % of people should say " this is great , i feel understood "

80 % of people should say " this is BS , i leave "

people should never be confused : " i don't know about this "

this is yes or no . to the point .

this is great or BS from people point of view

it worked very very very well for Eben .


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBVNesjOdC8




.



so yes, if everybody says i am great then i am doing something wrong

only a few people should like what i share about masterminds




.
Isn't he that pick up artist guy? I thought his name was David DeAngelo?
 

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yes , thanks.

in fact if 80 % of people are not disliking what i say, then there is something wrong with my writing

only 20 % of people should be curious

this is the pareto principle at work

if 80 % of people agree with me then i have nothing to do on this forum
I bought into stuart goldsmiths inner circle around 1994 and a lot of it was comparable to living Unscripted, don't believe everything the media present as truth, extreme patriotism and others stuff I can share if you send me $50 (joke). The thing is his stuff was illuminating. He had 2 series of booklets, one I would call an unscripted manifesto for it's time and the other was purely an insight into making big money in mail order. That may not be a familiar term to the younger guys and girls here but it was basically a newspaper or magazine advert compelling you to sign up and learn how to make a fortune by adverts compelling you to sign up to make a fortune by adverts compelling you to sign up to make a fortune etcetera. Does any of this sound familiar to anyone. Stuart Goldsmith opened my eyes to bullshit but at the same time he sold it to me. Funny that.
 

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mastermind is a inner potential for rational people who can understand things when they are exposed to the right knowledge

this is a mindset


i doubt that you really are an INTJ

otherwise you would be curious about what i am saying right now

instead of denying the whole thing



B]

Oh.....I’m curious about almost everything and fascinated by those who create something from nothing like Musk, Edison, Ford, et al. I find not enough hours in the day to read and study, and to seek to create.

And you can doubt all you want, I’ve done all the testing and it matters to me not what others think.




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GMSI7D level of woke is through the roof. Worthless 99% is blindfolded when the NWO is in works. Wake up sheeple but whatever,

You probably won't
 

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Well this just hit the internet, things are about to heat up with media already taking it out of proportion...



Edit: Man, just accidentally posted this on my mobile. No idea how that happened, lol.

While I'm still at it, why do you all think he took that puff on the JRE experience? In my opinion, it seems like he only did it to provoke. And the media reacted just the way he expected them to. What was the motive? I've no idea.

But come on. Joe didn't push him. He made an effort to take that no-inhale hit, as if he only wanted to give the perfect shot to every churnalist who sat with their face glued to the screen, watching the stream. A big "f*ck you", basically.

People can call him a robot how much they want. The guy probably put more thoughts into his actions than what at first sight was apparent.
 
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I mean i’m kind of late, but i just listened to the call. He’s right. Those questions were boring. Dude, this guy is a genius hell-bent on saving the human species by colonizing mars

He doesn’t care about questions regarding Q4 earnings or portfolio management, and what percentage of people are customizing cars. Like seriously? You basically have Tony Stark on the phone and that’s the BS you ask him?

Journalists are irresponsible for making Teslas look less safe than other vehicles. The fact is that self driving vehicles lead to a net loss in the amount of vehicular fatalities.

People focus on Tesla crashes because they’re interesting and sell headlines.

Autonomous cars are statistically much safer than the boneheads behind the wheel who half the time are putting on makeup, texting or surfing Wikipedia.

Let’s say there are 1 million crashes from regular cars. Then magically every car is autonomous and they start focusing on EVERY death from autonomous crashes. The next year there are 100,000 crashes. The then the newspapers started putting out headlines “100,000 dead this year in Tesla crashes!”.. you know.. not “we saved 900,000 lives by switching to a safer technology"

I hear so many people say things like “autonomous cars aren’t safe! some guy died last week!” Yea well 43535 guys died last week in regular cars. But since a TESLA crash is interesting, and a regular crash isn’t ... it sells papers. and granted the safety claims are usually from the uneducated, but uneducated people vote too.

Don’t meant to get into politics but it’s the same irresponsible sensationalist BS that got a reality TV show star elected as the president of the United States. They decided “OMG LET’S FOCUS ON THIS CIRCUS SIDESHOW” cuz it sold PAPERS, and then all his bizarre antics got him enough attention to get a reality TV star elected as president. I mean I don’t want to get political and i apologize but it’s relevant to the journalistic irresponsibility conversation.

They do shit to sell papers. Teslas driving are much safer than humans. Period. But by focusing in on it, it makes it seem more common than it really is.

And selling stock? Once you go public you literally have a legal obligation to the interests of your shareholders. This guy doesn’t want to be beholden to Wall St. This is a man who is literally trying to colonize mars and stop the melting of the polar icecaps before we’re all dead. He doesn’t care about the day to day worries of these Wall Street peasants. So no he’s not crazy.. he’s just too smart for most people to understand.

But yea, i think he’s a little stressed which make him snippy and too honest.
 
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I mean i’m kind of late, but i just listened to the call. He’s right. Those questions were boring. Dude, this guy is a genius hell-bent on saving the human species by colonizing mars

He doesn’t care about questions regarding Q4 earnings or portfolio management, and what percentage of people are customizing cars. Like seriously? You basically have Tony Stark on the phone and that’s the BS you ask him?
Love the sentiment, but maybe it is the wrong stage?
Not sure about the Berkshire annual meetings, but I think they are decoupled from earnings calls as well!?
Something like that could work, or a Tesla Technology Conference with Keynotes and Q&A. Investors are not interested in knowledge bombs.

Have not followed this thread - probably it has been discussed already but what I really found interesting is the part in the Joe Rogan interview where they talk about air conditioning?
I hope Elon was not just teasing there. If they actually announce a good solution in the near future that might change everything for the company.
 

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Something like that could work, or a Tesla Technology Conference with Keynotes and Q&A. Investors are not interested in knowledge bombs.
Yea but he doesn’t care. His attitude on this type of stuff is probably like “okay let me take time away from building rockets and making sure AI doesn’t kill us all to go do this bullshit earnings call”.. and does it... then when they’re barraging him with boring BS he hits his limit.. i mean don’t get me wrong, I’m sure stress plays a role. You know... having to save humanity from literally killing themselves can probably get tiring.
 

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Love the sentiment, but maybe it is the wrong stage?
Not sure about the Berkshire annual meetings, but I think they are decoupled from earnings calls as well!?
Something like that could work, or a Tesla Technology Conference with Keynotes and Q&A. Investors are not interested in knowledge bombs.
 

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