Driven To Be Location Independent / "Not Another Web Agency"

[Nomads]

Been floating around these forums for a long time now without contributing much, but absorbing lots. I've decided it is time to change that and document my process to detach myself from my current location in the cold barren wasteland called Canada.

I currently run a service-based (seasonal) business from March through October. While I've had great success with this business the location I am tied to has steadily begun to frustrate me more and more. I find the winters difficult and find myself longing to be away from the cold. This hatred for the cold was made even worse when I decided to move to Hawaii for the winter of 2019/2020 and experienced what it was like to not live in freezing temperatures 6+ months of the year. The cold & lack of sun really take a number on me and it seems to only affect my health and wellness worse each year.

Thus, my struggle to detach myself from my current business and location began.

I built and run my own website for my current business and have had a lot of success with it - ranking on the first page of Google for all my target areas. This skill developed during my winters off (could not bring myself to sit around and do nothing all winter so I taught myself to code & build websites) has opened up an opportunity I never thought imaginable. This past winter I launched my own web agency (design, dev, SEO & management) and have had some success, especially with others in service businesses approaching me and appreciating my knowledge of it. I learnt more and recreated the same process I used for my own website and was able to help quite a few others as well.

I plan to use this thread to thoroughly document my process & execution as I take this business on until it is stable enough for me to either sell off/or hire someone to run my other business. I will then continue to build this business in the warmth of Portugal. Thankfully, my fiancee is a citizen of said country and we can move there at will.

I will also document my progress as I work with multiple programs/tools to assist me in taking this business to the next level. The two I am starting with will be:

@Fox Web School - while I am familiar with the web development & design side of things I am excited to learn from someone who has had so much success on the sales & outreach side where I have struggled.

@Black_Dragon43 and his B2B Lead Generation System. I am looking to automate and try to be as efficient as possible with lead generation as this has been the biggest issue I have had so far. Excited to see how I can put this system to use.

I will escape the cold.

 

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[Nomads]

Just finished a website for a start-up that was featured on Dragon's Den (Canadian version of Shark Tank) where they got a big deal, turned it down, and got a million dollar+ investment shortly after. Cool project to work on considering they had an awful website and recreating it should help me get my foot in the door with other start-ups.

Got through @Black_Dragon43's B2B System and I am in the process of setting it up. His system came at the perfect time and actually helped me figure out a solution for a direction I was already trying to move in to find more web clients.

Will be working my way through @Fox's content as well over the next week. Will be doing this in the evenings after I finish building sites for the day. Aiming to learn as much as possible to expedite my client acquisition and website building processes from him.

 

[Nomads]

@Andy Black coffee & diesel pays off again.

Mentioned casually what I was doing to an acquaintance who often uses my services from my other business.

He promptly connected me with an industrial manufacturer in search of a new website. $10,000 website deal closed.

The website is a little intimidating, but I'll get it done.

 

[Nomads]

Has she told you how f*cking cold the winter in Portugal can feel? Most places don't have heating so even if you're in the south you'll freeze at home. In Canada, at least when you're at home you can be toasty warm.

Portugal (or southern Europe in general) is NOT like Hawaii by any means.

I'm also looking for a home in a warm country and I've been to quite a few places around the world.

My conclusion is that if I have to freeze at home in the supposedly "warm" countries during the winter I'd rather live in a cold country and have proper heating and insulation. This is why after visiting all the warmest places in Europe I've ruled them all out.

More about how cold Portugal and southern Europe gets is here:

NOTABLE! - MINDSET - Has Moving to a Warm and Sunny Climate Made You Happier?

Very interesting map, but sun and temperature are two very different things and don't always go along. Plus, there's humidity that plays a factor as well like McAdam said. They don't go together for sure. Most people prefer dry, sunny and cold over warmer, humid and gloomy, though. I mean...

www.thefastlaneforum.com

She has! I am completely okay with that primarily due to the fact that the sun is out 300+ days out of the year in the Algarve, which also happens to be the warmest area as well. I'll take stable winter temperatures 15+°C and sunshine over -20°C and zero sunshine for six months.

The ability to get outside more is super helpful for my mental state, productivity, wellness, and more. While Portugal isn't as stable as Hawaii temperature-wise we want to move there for a variety of other reasons as well.

Will give that thread a good read! Thanks.

Can you move now?

If I could, I'd be on a plane out tomorrow.

Unfortunately due to some nonsensical travel restrictions that still exist in Canada that is currently not possible.

That being said, summer is almost here, and my service business is at full speed. Good opportunity to tie up some loose ends. Aiming to be out by late fall/early winter 2022.

I ran into an old friend some time ago who has a seasonal business. He loves it. He hated his corporate job so he has a lawn mowing company in Missouri where it can get pretty cold. He moves to California where it's warmer for winter, visits family and does some work there until it warms up at home. I think he does insurance adjusting or something from his past for a few months and then goes back home.

A guy who worked for me had an uncle that was following a similar path as you. His seasonal business was power washing. On his off-time, he learned to do web work and began to offer that when the power washing season ended. He enjoyed the break from each business but I think he leaned toward getting more into computing because of his age.

In both cases, they required a total shift to switch back with no or little simultaneous operations aside. I haven't talked to them in years so I don't know how the businesses look now.

Good luck. Tech can be fun and monetarily rewarding. It can also have a lot of pressure.

I don't mind my seasonal business, it's made me a lot of money and taught me a lot about business. Definitely not something I want to do long-term though. I tried moving away for the winter once (when I was in Hawaii) but found it kind of tough as there is actually a lot of maintenance to be done in the winter. Definitely could mitigate this through employees, etc though.

My service business actually includes pressure washing, among other exterior cleaning/maintenance services. Super lucrative, but takes a quick toll on your body that I've noticed already - probably why the guy you know got out of it as well.

For me it boils down to the ability to rapidly scale a business from anywhere in the world, while this is possible with my current business, I'm more confident and satisfied with the shift I'm making.

Hope the two mentioned in your message have had a lot of success and thank you for the good luck!

 

[DWX]

Looks beautiful but also a bit disconnected from the majority of Europe, have you experienced living there?

It's one of the gems of Europe IMO.

Crystal-clear warm water, blue skies, and a competitive tax system make Cyprus an attractive destination. Not to mention English is spoken by practically everyone out there. However, that's not to say it doesn't have its downsides – because it has those too.

(One being that it is, indeed, somewhat cut off from the rest of Europe.)

I've stayed there on two separate occasions for 3 months each. Once in 2018, and again in 2020 (just as the pandemic hit - sigh). I still occasionally toy with the idea of relocating there, but with the UK now out of the EU, it has become much more difficult. Plus, the 40+ °C weather becomes tiresome after a while haha.

Yeah I've been there. Same as Portugal, if not worse, in the winter. Many expats told me that winters can be terribly cold and you need an electric blanket to not lose your mind when trying to fall asleep in a freezing house.

Also, Cyprus has very short days in the winter.

I enjoyed the country as a place for vacation but living there wouldn't work for me.

Yup.

The bigger the house, the colder it got. (Made that mistake the first time.) My gf and I would often burrow away in the bedroom just to keep warm.

~

As a personal aside, living abroad is a wonderful exercise if you can do it. Even if for just a few months.

I used to loathe aspects of the UK (some I still do), but after tasting another country's culture and infrastructure (beyond a two-week, all-inclusive hotel), it tends to humble you.

That's not to say I don't miss those blue skies – because I do!

 

[MTF]

I will then continue to build this business in the warmth of Portugal. Thankfully, my fiancee is a citizen of said country and we can move there at will.

Has she told you how F*cking cold the winter in Portugal can feel? Most places don't have heating so even if you're in the south you'll freeze at home. In Canada, at least when you're at home you can be toasty warm.

Portugal (or southern Europe in general) is NOT like Hawaii by any means.

I'm also looking for a home in a warm country and I've been to quite a few places around the world.

My conclusion is that if I have to freeze at home in the supposedly "warm" countries during the winter I'd rather live in a cold country and have proper heating and insulation. This is why after visiting all the warmest places in Europe I've ruled them all out.

More about how cold Portugal and southern Europe gets is here:

NOTABLE! - MINDSET - Has Moving to a Warm and Sunny Climate Made You Happier?

Very interesting map, but sun and temperature are two very different things and don't always go along. Plus, there's humidity that plays a factor as well like McAdam said. They don't go together for sure. Most people prefer dry, sunny and cold over warmer, humid and gloomy, though. I mean...

www.thefastlaneforum.com

 

[MTF]

For the price of a run-down, unlivable shack in my city, I can buy a beautiful home and a rental property in Portugal.

Just be careful. There's a lot of cheap real estate in Portugal, Spain, Italy, and Greece that looks good but is also a run-down shack. It's just hidden somewhere where you won't see it easily without a close inspection.

 

[Nomads]

A lot has changed in a year!

Took the plunge and moved to Portugal. 3 months ago. Lisbon was miserable, stressful, & cold... people were quite tense overall and it was definitely not the vibe we were looking for at all. Great vacation spot, but not so great for living. I struggled to keep positive in this environment and this carried over into business.

Moved down south into the Algarve and it was like a weight was lifted immediately The sun, the heat, the people, and the beach assisted in every way as I got my mind back on track and got focused. Business immediately increased following this shift in environment & mental space.

We tried out a few spots throughout the Algarve and just bought a condo 15 minutes walking distance from a world-famous beach.

Working from our home office with a beautiful view for the first time in 3+ months instead of at some AirBnB kitchen table.

The Algarve is stunning... hard to find anything negative about it. Affordable (expat wise at least), great entrepreneur community, beautiful weather, the list goes on...

 

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[Andy Black]

Been floating around these forums for a long time now without contributing much, but absorbing lots. I've decided it is time to change that and document my process to detach myself from my current location in the cold barren wasteland called Canada.

I currently run a service-based (seasonal) business from March through October. While I've had great success with this business the location I am tied to has steadily begun to frustrate me more and more. I find the winters difficult and find myself longing to be away from the cold. This hatred for the cold was made even worse when I decided to move to Hawaii for the winter of 2019/2020 and experienced what it was like to not live in freezing temperatures 6+ months of the year. The cold & lack of sun really take a number on me and it seems to only affect my health and wellness worse each year.

Thus, my struggle to detach myself from my current business and location began.

I built and run my own website for my current business and have had a lot of success with it - ranking on the first page of Google for all my target areas. This skill developed during my winters off (could not bring myself to sit around and do nothing all winter so I taught myself to code & build websites) has opened up an opportunity I never thought imaginable. This past winter I launched my own web agency (design, dev, SEO & management) and have had some success, especially with others in service businesses approaching me and appreciating my knowledge of it. I learnt more and recreated the same process I used for my own website and was able to help quite a few others as well.

I plan to use this thread to thoroughly document my process & execution as I take this business on until it is stable enough for me to either sell off/or hire someone to run my other business. I will then continue to build this business in the warmth of Portugal. Thankfully, my fiancee is a citizen of said country and we can move there at will.

I will also document my progress as I work with multiple programs/tools to assist me in taking this business to the next level. The two I am starting with will be:

@Fox Web School - while I am familiar with the web development & design side of things I am excited to learn from someone who has had so much success on the sales & outreach side where I have struggled.

@Black_Dragon43 and his B2B Lead Generation System. I am looking to automate and try to be as efficient as possible with lead generation as this has been the biggest issue I have had so far. Excited to see how I can put this system to use.

I will escape the cold.

Can you move now?

 

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[Nomads]

I still have some places to visit before I pick a place. Out of the ones I've been to, I enjoyed Barbados and Australia (Sunshine Coast/Noosa) the most.

In my case, I'm more likely looking for a second residence as I enjoy summers in Europe (roughly between May and September is great).

The second residence option is our long-term plan eventually as well. Having a second home in Canada that we can return during the brief summers to visit family/friends is a huge plus. The real estate prices currently make that impossible.

A big reason why we like Portugal. For the price of a run-down, unlivable shack in my city, I can buy a beautiful home and a rental property in Portugal.

 

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[Giallo]

Hey Nomads nice to meet you. I also moved to Portugal to work remotely for clients. My tips for the challenges that people fairly brought up so far: pick an apartment with a high energy class (A+, A...). I've been seeing some properties around here and there's plenty of new developments that tackle this cold-temperature issue with modern solutions. I can confirm on the coldness of Portugal at times.

I heard a lot of people here in Portugal actually move away for the cold months to actually colder countries that have more suitable apartments. There's many options.

I'm looking forward to hear more about your progress and I'm happy to help in any way.

 

[Nomads]

I'm hooked on @Andy Black's Coffee & Diesel (or in Canada... mostly gas).

I've decided this morning to get up and put it to action IMMEDIATELY. I will be reaching out to my extended network with the goal of meeting with one person per 1-2 weeks for this exact purpose. While my schedule is already packed, I don't care, I'm going to make time for this one way or another. Already scheduled the first one with an old friend who actually made mentioned that he was in need of some help with his website the last time I saw him.

My goal during these sit-downs will be to learn more about these people, build a relationship, and naturally slide what I do into the conversation. No pushy sales, just simply getting my face & name in front of people who are good connections that have fallen to the wayside.

I'm going to openly share the "Coffee & Diesel" concept with people as well, noting primarily that my goal is to learn & connect with those from all areas of business. I have a feeling this will spark interest and lead to them connecting me with others outside of my direct network.

While I specifically am going to target those in my network that run & manage businesses, I won't be crossing anyone off.

I'm confident this will boost my business long-term and will track it as well to see what returns come of it.

 

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[Andy Black]

I'm hooked on @Andy Black's Coffee & Diesel (or in Canada... mostly gas).

I've decided this morning to get up and put it to action IMMEDIATELY. I will be reaching out to my extended network with the goal of meeting with one person per 1-2 weeks for this exact purpose. While my schedule is already packed, I don't care, I'm going to make time for this one way or another. Already scheduled the first one with an old friend who actually made mentioned that he was in need of some help with his website the last time I saw him.

My goal during these sit-downs will be to learn more about these people, build a relationship, and naturally slide what I do into the conversation. No pushy sales, just simply getting my face & name in front of people who are good connections that have fallen to the wayside.

I'm going to openly share the "Coffee & Diesel" concept with people as well, noting primarily that my goal is to learn & connect with those from all areas of business. I have a feeling this will spark interest and lead to them connecting me with others outside of my direct network.

While I specifically am going to target those in my network that run & manage businesses, I won't be crossing anyone off.

I'm confident this will boost my business long-term and will track it as well to see what returns come of it.

Awesome.

Bear in mind you can do diesel and coffee over Zoom as well. It’s not quite the same, but does enable you to chat to people you’d otherwise not meet in person.

 

[Andy Black]

once you achieve the success I don't see what prevent someone from sharing their business name

There's an argument that the potential downside is bigger the more successful your business is.

what prevent anyone from posting a topic saying he is now a multi millionaire without providing any evidence , or even any experience that we can benefit.

Nothing. It's up to us to not accept everything at face value, to do our own due diligence, and to take the correct action on whatever we learn.

 

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[Nomads]

Signed & receiving payment for another new website tomorrow.

A huge opportunity presented itself as well for website building. Found a way to essentially get businesses set up with a new website for free through some government programs that will cover my fees, and cost the customer nothing. Seems like outbound sales are about to get a lot easier.

 

[Nomads]

You don't add value by getting them a website. Just having a website will do nothing. You add value by getting them a website that brings them more business.

So how will your websites do that?

The websites provide plenty of value. I don't just build a website and throw it at my customers. I optimize each and every website I build to help them attract paying customers and build their business. I accomplish this through website design focused on UX, specific CTA usage, SEO optimization, analytics tracking and more. I've had great success in this with my previous customers, all of whom are very happy with what they received and the results the website provided.

if they paid $0 for the "basic" website, I guarantee you that it will be very difficult to sell them on an "advanced" website.

I disagree, but I guess we will just have to find out. A lot of business owners are already on the fence about paying for a professionally built website. This opportunity allows them to further advance their business with minimal risk. It also allows me to get my foot in the door and build trust with them. I'm quite confident once I do so, I will be able to upsell them.

Either way - I will be making good money even if I don't get the upsell.

 

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[Simon Angel]

@Andy Black coffee & diesel pays off again.

Mentioned casually what I was doing to an acquaintance who often uses my services from my other business.

He promptly connected me with an industrial manufacturer in search of a new website. $10,000 website deal closed.

The website is a little intimidating, but I'll get it done.

What is intimidating about this website?

And well done! That's a pretty significant deal for the amount of time/effort you spent closing it. I'm curious what this business produces since I used to cold call a ton of industrial manufacturers - most notably companies that produced graphite brushes for electric motors, and, unfortunately, I never got to close a deal because they would almost always say they already had "too much" business (B2B obviously).

Oh, and is this using the opportunity you talked about above with the government grant?

Awesome progress.

 

[Simon Angel]

Awesome.

Bear in mind you can do diesel and coffee over Zoom as well. It’s not quite the same, but does enable you to chat to people you’d otherwise not meet in person.

He keeps writing it in reverse - Coffee & Diesel. I'm guessing Canadians use coffee as fuel and diesel as a nice, warm beverage to invigorate the senses..

Or they do actually meet up for coffee, but then he takes them for a joyride while discussing helping them with their business and the adrenaline helps to close the deal.

Anyway..

@Nomads How are you going to utilize this strat in Portugal? Zoom calls or learning Portuguese and doing biz with the locals?

 

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[Itizn]

they also want a database w/ catalogued items for sale updated quarterly.

With such a high price point, maybe look into https://www.wpallimport.com/ to compliment their new website.

They seem to offer good tools for just that

 

[Nomads]

The Algarve has been on my radar for a while. It seems like you've found your little utopia. Congrats.

100% suggest checking it out. There is a strong expat / digital nomad community and the sun never stops shining!

I've seen a lot of FTEs that have this common denominator of "cold." Interesting sincebmy country has all 4 seasons.

It seems to be a common event in North America. A lot of northern areas experience 4 months of nice weather followed by 8 months of cold, dreary, dark weather.

I actually do love the variation in seasons, but I couldn't stand how long winter felt. Going weeks without seeing the sun is not something I get along well with.

When I have a rough day and need to destress I kick off and go to the beach. It clears my mind and rejuvenates me so I can keep on pushing forward with my business pursuits.

That was hard to do in a country where the weather is far into the negatives for a good chunk of the year.

 

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[Nomads]

This is why any time someone on this forum says, "going into digital marketing is for retards!" or "digital marketing is such a trap! You're stupid!" I laugh my a$$ off while closing their thread.

There are 100 billion "digital marketing agencies" in existence but 99% of them are pure shit and aren't legitimate competition. They simply had the balls to say, "F*ck it, let's go for it."

It's actually been a blessing. While I hate to see business owners getting ripped off by these terrible companies, it's truly helped us build a loyal client base.

When clients see the difference in the quality of our work, and especially our customer service, they fall in love with it. Most of our clients up-sell themselves at this point as they give us more work by the day.

We've simply set out to HELP people and provide real SOLUTIONS and it's paying off big time for us.

Fully agree with this.

The UK is grey, cold, and wet most of the year. After a 3-month trip to Cyprus a few years back, I was grateful for the cooler reprieve upon my return, but the lack of sunlight and blue skies is a mood/productivity killer.

At least for me, that is.

There are plenty of folks who love the cold. Hell, one of my best mates rejoices every time winter returns.

I know a lot of people like that too. During the brief Canadian summer, they spend each day praying for darkness and cold. Then they complain about feeling tired and depressed all winter. I don't get it.

Cyprus was on my list as well given the beneficial tax setup possible there. Did you decide not to set up there for any specific reason?

Still trying to figure out the best tax situation. Portugal does have some beneficial tax benefits for expats that work a normal job, but they get tricky for business owners.

 

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[Boogie]

I ran into an old friend some time ago who has a seasonal business. He loves it. He hated his corporate job so he has a lawn mowing company in Missouri where it can get pretty cold. He moves to California where it's warmer for winter, visits family and does some work there until it warms up at home. I think he does insurance adjusting or something from his past for a few months and then goes back home.

A guy who worked for me had an uncle that was following a similar path as you. His seasonal business was power washing. On his off-time, he learned to do web work and began to offer that when the power washing season ended. He enjoyed the break from each business but I think he leaned toward getting more into computing because of his age.

In both cases, they required a total shift to switch back with no or little simultaneous operations aside. I haven't talked to them in years so I don't know how the businesses look now.

Good luck. Tech can be fun and monetarily rewarding. It can also have a lot of pressure.

 

[MTF]

She has! I am completely okay with that primarily due to the fact that the sun is out 300+ days out of the year in the Algarve, which also happens to be the warmest area as well. I'll take stable winter temperatures 15+°C and sunshine over -20°C and zero sunshine for six months.

Hopefully you'll be able to find a place where you won't freeze at home. On paper I 100% understand that as I thought the same. But when I experienced it myself my opinion changed a little. Granted, where I live the winters usually aren't that cold (but they're for sure darker than in Canada).

The ability to get outside more is super helpful for my mental state, productivity, wellness, and more. While Portugal isn't as stable as Hawaii temperature-wise we want to move there for a variety of other reasons as well.

Okay that makes sense. I thought it was primarily because of the weather but if there are other reasons then it could be a good move. I spent a few days in the Algarve and didn't like it but hope your experience is different.

 

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[Nomads]

Hopefully you'll be able to find a place where you won't freeze at home. On paper I 100% understand that as I thought the same. But when I experienced it myself my opinion changed a little. Granted, where I live the winters usually aren't that cold (but they're for sure darker than in Canada).

Worst case, since we'll be EU citizens - we can always look elsewhere in Europe. Where do you think you'll end up moving, as you said you've also been looking for the same and visited quite a few places so far?

 

[MTF]

Worst case, since we'll be EU citizens - we can always look elsewhere in Europe. Where do you think you'll end up moving, as you said you've also been looking for the same and visited quite a few places so far?

I still have some places to visit before I pick a place. Out of the ones I've been to, I enjoyed Barbados and Australia (Sunshine Coast/Noosa) the most.

In my case, I'm more likely looking for a second residence as I enjoy summers in Europe (roughly between May and September is great).

 

[Black_Dragon43]

Just finished a website for a start-up that was featured on Dragon's Den (Canadian version of Shark Tank) where they got a big deal, turned it down, and got a million dollar+ investment shortly after. Cool project to work on considering they had an awful website and recreating it should help me get my foot in the door with other start-ups.

Got through @Black_Dragon43's B2B System and I am in the process of setting it up. His system came at the perfect time and actually helped me figure out a solution for a direction I was already trying to move in to find more web clients.

Will be working my way through @Fox's content as well over the next week. Will be doing this in the evenings after I finish building sites for the day. Aiming to learn as much as possible to expedite my client acquisition and website building processes from him.

Awesome progress my friend, glad to see you taking action and making this happen. Keep going, you've got this!

 

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[Nomads]

Hey Nomads nice to meet you. I also moved to Portugal to work remotely for clients. My tips for the challenges that people fairly brought up so far: pick an apartment with a high energy class (A+, A...). I've been seeing some properties around here and there's plenty of new developments that tackle this cold-temperature issue with modern solutions. I can confirm on the coldness of Portugal at times.

I heard a lot of people here in Portugal actually move away for the cold months to actually colder countries that have more suitable apartments. There's many options.

I'm looking forward to hear more about your progress and I'm happy to help in any way.

Hey! Thank you for taking the time to share this information. I've seen those energy classes but wasn't 100% sure what they determined/how they worked. We haven't really started seeking property beyond browsing for fun so we'll definitely need to do a lot of research when the day comes.

I've heard the same about Lisbon. Personally, I am keener on the south with the endless beaches. Can swap out my cold showers for cold dips in the ocean.

Will definitely connect with you in the future as we start looking! Maybe you have a real estate agent or someone you used that could be helpful?

 

[Nomads]

Awesome.

Bear in mind you can do diesel and coffee over Zoom as well. It’s not quite the same, but does enable you to chat to people you’d otherwise not meet in person.

Definitely will keep it as an option. I am definitely a bigger fan of in-person meetings vs. Zoom and have heard the same from a lot of people. Mostly from those who have to spend all day long on Zoom for work anyways, they are dying for a chance to get away from the screen.

 

[Andy Black]

Definitely will keep it as an option. I am definitely a bigger fan of in-person meetings vs. Zoom and have heard the same from a lot of people. Mostly from those who have to spend all day long on Zoom for work anyways, they are dying for a chance to get away from the screen.

Yeah, in person is so much better.

I bet there’s loads of business owners and interesting people to meet in your local community.

One day I’ll offer to do workshops for local schools and evening classes. Just to immerse myself more in the local community.

 

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[DWX]

I still have some places to visit before I pick a place. Out of the ones I've been to, I enjoyed Barbados and Australia (Sunshine Coast/Noosa) the most.

In my case, I'm more likely looking for a second residence as I enjoy summers in Europe (roughly between May and September is great).

Have you ever visited Cyprus? That’s a nice spot.

Granted, it can get really hot during the summer months. Winters can also be a wee-bit chilly, but plenty of sunshine overall.