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Companies are entities, and hide behind human resources. They have no soul.

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Not sure who wrote this on this forum ( I tried searching, couldn't match anything ), but it's not mine and I am not claiming to have came up with it.

However, when I seen it I had to print it out and look at it every few weeks to remind myself of the struggle.


Companies are entities, and hide behind human resources. They have no soul.

They don't care that :

    • you sacrifice for them
    • you did what you were supposed to
    • you did what you were told to do
They don't care that :
    • it's Christmas time
    • You have a wife and kids to feed
    • you need the income
They don't care :
    • how long you have worked there
    • what you did 6 months ago to help the company
    • what ideas you have to improve the company
    • about your degree
Does your wife think that employment equals job security? Does your husband think that your income is stable? Do YOU think that if you work hard, that will somehow make you un-fireable?

My hope is this is the start of a great new chapter for you.



Just posting it here again, it's a great reminder for some of us.

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A view from the employer's side:

I spent yesterday reducing operating hours at a location. Had to terminate half my employee's, the rest got reduced hours that worked out to a 1/3rd pay cut. (second location in 2 weeks that I've had to do this)

Not a decision I took lightly. I haven't hired in this location for almost 5 years, because I had really good people working for me. And that's in retail with it's 60% annual turnover.

But that's how the relationship works, no? They expect a paycheck, I expect to make money. I am losing large amounts of money there, so...something had to give. Their paycheck's are my biggest expense.

One guy is 76 years old, I just gave him a huge pay cut, and he has no savings (he let me know exactly how badly I was hurting his finances)

Don't be that guy.

So to be realistic here, they could count on me for a paycheck for only as long as I could afford to pay them.

That's just the way the world works.
 

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You dont own a business very long if you're not making money. Most people call that a hobby or a bankruptcy.

Making money or not, most will not treat you well for some reason or another.

I've been with companies that have treated me like crap that I've helped:
  • Take from $400k annual revenues to $38m in 2 years and get rated the #1 network in their industry and hit Inc 500.
  • Grow from 30 days into bankruptcy, to profitable and able to make their payroll in less than 60 days and triple their business in 1 year
  • Take on the job that 10 people now do for only one of those job's salary while also directly helping them go from $6m annual to over $25m in 3 years
  • Scale their agency from 1 client spending $10k a year in advertising, to over 30 clients spending over $5m a year in advertising all by myself in less than 2 years
I could go on, but I'm gonna stop there.

Just because someone is chill and pays you well ( I've been there, done that multiple times ) and treats you like family ( most of the companies I've worked for have less than 30 employees and would be considered tight knit at the time ) doesn't mean shit.

Wait until new owners or investors come in, the company goes through a downward turn for a year, growth stagnates, you have a disagreement with one of the bosses on the wrong subject, one of the owners thinks it's time to head into a new direction, or one of another million variables like you all hiring too many people or the wrong HR and sales people...

I'm positive you will come back to this thread if any of the above happens. I hope it doesn't though.

Make sure you are putting back into savings.
 

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Seriously thank you for sharing this! my husband's company is restructuring and we are going to lose a significant amount of his pay. That's why I joined here. I want to start my own business so that I can help him get out of that job because it's miserable. He's up before the sun every day and work 12+ hours 5 days a week, sometimes 6. He's away from his daughter and the company doesn't care. Again, thanks for sharing this as I needed this. This is why I am starting my journey!
 

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I had a mentor once, who at one point was trying to drive home that point to me. His firm over the years had paid me several years of a couple hundred thousand a year. He asked me if I trusted him. I said yes.

He said I shouldn't... because if it came down to paying himself or paying me, he picked himself.

He was direct, honest, and trying to crush my naivety which years down the road would keep me from being crushed when my sugar daddy wasn't around to pick me up off the ground.
 

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Damn dont wanna grow bitter like you man. To each his own!

Not bitter. I'm just realistic and I am glad for the first hand experience. It's a huge difference...

I think we see things differently, which is cool. I like that.

I'm 38, you're 22. Our experiences will be different based on not only that, but that I am not working for a company where I am making someone else rich and content with what they provide me right now in this time/place/moment.

I'm not sure where you are in your walk of life, or what life has thrown at you but many people go full time self employment and owning their own business for the reasons I stated above. It's not always about someone wanting to be rich or some other fake dream though like traveling full time.

Some good advice I got when I was younger was, to talk to people 10 years older than you. Make sure they are also 10 years ahead of where you want to be. I'm pretty sure you will hear some of the same things I am typing right now out of those people mouths if those people are business owners or self employed.

But it's not about being bitter. It's about reality

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Hell, the company I work for is awesome. Seriously, sometimes I wonder if I would leave because the owners are super chill, i get paid really well, and they treat me like family.

Good businesses treat you well when the business is making money. None treat you well when they are losing money.

Employers don't owe you a damn thing besides a paycheck for the work you perform for them. They only hire you so they can make money... not so you can make money.
 

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A view from the employer's side:

I spent yesterday reducing operating hours at a location. Had to terminate half my employee's, the rest got reduced hours that worked out to a 1/3rd pay cut. (second location in 2 weeks that I've had to do this)

Not a decision I took lightly. I haven't hired in this location for almost 5 years, because I had really good people working for me. And that's in retail with it's 60% annual turnover.

But that's how the relationship works, no? They expect a paycheck, I expect to make money. I am losing large amounts of money there, so...something had to give. Their paycheck's are my biggest expense.

One guy is 76 years old, I just gave him a huge pay cut, and he has no savings (he let me know exactly how badly I was hurting his finances)

Don't be that guy.

So to be realistic here, they could count on me for a paycheck for only as long as I could afford to pay them.

That's just the way the world works.


Im glad you shared this.

I've been somewhat in the same boat before, but with VA's and remote staff who were technically not an employee. However, they depended on me for a chunk of their living.

It's horrible to do, at least for me it was.

I just can't bring myself to hire someone unless I know I can pay them for 12+ months safely. I know that's a distorted view/plan, but I can't bring myself to hire someone full time knowing it might only last 3.5 months.

Im sure at 5 years, you never planned this. No one could.

But it does show that if you are working a job, you are counting on someone else to direct your future in a way.

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you can demand millions because your coffee was too hot at the local burger shop.

In many ways, the lawsuit culture of the United States is our version of regulations/consumer protection. The alternative is to force the government to keep on top of every new product and industry. The government is too slow and clumsy to do this (and frankly, we don't necessarily want them to be effective/powerful/fast enough to rise to the task). Lawsuit culture fills in the gap, and does so quite well all things considered.

For instance, the woman who sued over hot coffee had received third degree burns and had to get multiple skin grafts. McDonalds' policy at the time was to serve it at that temperature (190 degrees F; 87 degrees C): it was not a fluke incident, yet McDonalds refused to cover her medical bills, apologize, or even change their policy on the serving temperature. In other words, they refused to take accountability for physically harming a customer. As a consumer, when I drink coffee, I'm grateful to that woman for suing the pants off McDonald's until they felt the pain and changed their policy on serving temperature.

Same with doctors - it sucks that they get sued so much, but the fear of lawsuits has led to them practicing "defensive medicine" and incentivizes the development of lower-risk treatments - which in turn led to a decrease in serious injury and death for patients in many specialities. This is perhaps most evident in obstetrics, where a conservative C-section policy has saved the lives of millions of women and babies. Frankly, I'm quite glad that I don't have a 4% chance of dying in childbirth. Instead, in the U.S. it's more like 0.0006%, and there were definitely some lawsuits involved in the lowering of that number.
 
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I think what this is referring to is big corporations that only care about the bottom line which while there are some I would say thats not everyone. Careful which box you put yourself in.

While I get what you're saying overall, this isn't referring to big corporations.

As someone that had worked for startups with less than 10 people, small companies with less than 50 employees, medium sized agencies and large corporate companies... this extends the WHOLE branch. Not just the big corps.

This statement for sure applies in my life almost every company I've been involved in.
 
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Depends on the company considering most of us run them and wouldnt characterize ourselves within that.

Hell, the company I work for is awesome. Seriously, sometimes I wonder if I would leave because the owners are super chill, i get paid really well, and they treat me like family.

I think what this is referring to is big corporations that only care about the bottom line which while there are some I would say thats not everyone. Careful which box you put yourself in.

You are dispensable
 
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Btw, just replying to the title of this thread...

In my limited experience, when a company grows big enough to get a HR department, things change quite a lot for the worse.

HR work for the business, and are there to protect the business and make the most out of their Human Resources. Don't forget who's side they're on.
 

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Depends on the company considering most of us run them and wouldnt characterize ourselves within that.

Hell, the company I work for is awesome. Seriously, sometimes I wonder if I would leave because the owners are super chill, i get paid really well, and they treat me like family.

I think what this is referring to is big corporations that only care about the bottom line which while there are some I would say thats not everyone. Careful which box you put yourself in.
 

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Good businesses treat you well when the business is making money. None treat you well when they are losing money.

You still get a paycheck if the company you work for had an unprofitable quarter, which is better "treatment" than you'll ever get out in the wild.

Employers don't owe you a damn thing besides a paycheck for the work you perform for them. They only hire you so they can make money... not so you can make money.

Your employer is a customer. They pay you because they believe the marginal value added for them is greater than the marginal cost... like every customer ever, since the beginning of time.

The underlying economics are the same, but.....

Does your wife think that employment equals job security? Does your husband think that your income is stable? Do YOU think that if you work hard, that will somehow make you un-fireable?

On a long enough timeline, you take better control of the downside and create more potential for explosive upside by not having a "job". This is the secret sauce of the whole thing IMHO.
 

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I"m in my 30's and I'll add to this

One company that I worked for considered us owners and we had stock in the company vs matching 401K(I know this violates TMF , but it was years ago). Pretty much everything from the OP was spot on. When the money was coming in everything was great. When the money got tight, it was layoff's, furlough's and other chaos. Come to find out the owner was sleep at the wheel spending up profit while not watching out for the company. He let some internal employees steal business, and he even undermined other leadership at the company to loose further business. One day his dad(YES HIS DAD) called a meeting to let us know the company was shutting down. All the hard work put in over the years and stock value right out the door. I haven't worked for anyone since then and dont' plan on it. But hey its why most of us are here.
 

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it's a great reminder for some of us.
Ain't it just. I'm doing a spot of contracting for the company I used to work for and I'm seeing all that kind of stuff every day. It strengthens my resolve even further to make something of my own, to make a successful company that actually gives a shit about its people.
 

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It's not bitterness. It's reality.

Very true, and like @MidwestLandlord pointed out above, you can only pay people for as long as it makes economic sense to pay them.

In 2014, I had to lay off an entire distribution center. It was not their fault. The company was horribly mismanaged. To be fair, I spent the weekend before beering myself into oblivion, but I don't regret the decision. If a person has to choose between your livelihood and theirs, they will of course choose theirs. It just is what it is. It's no different than a customer moving to another vendor that gives them a better deal.
 
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Seriously thank you for sharing this! my husband's company is restructuring and we are going to lose a significant amount of his pay. That's why I joined here. I want to start my own business so that I can help him get out of that job because it's miserable. He's up before the sun every day and work 12+ hours 5 days a week, sometimes 6. He's away from his daughter and the company doesn't care. Again, thanks for sharing this as I needed this. This is why I am starting my journey!

I can sympathize with your husband. I'm basically in the same boat. My pay hasn't been cut but the company I work for restructures every 3 or 4 years and we are due for a big one. I've seen a lot of good people get dismissed.

On the bright side, your head is in the right place and it looks like you've found your WHY?

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Just saw the front of the local papers yesterday. The local HP plant is shedding 500 jobs.

FIVE. HUNDRED.

Many of them will get other jobs. Some will take the leap and go it alone. Some are going to really struggle.

There's way more than 500 people affected. Think of their immediate families, their extended families (worrying), and the local economy.

All of them are in for a stressful few months or years.
 

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Not sure who wrote this on this forum ( I tried searching, couldn't match anything ), but it's not mine and I am not claiming to have came up with it.

However, when I seen it I had to print it out and look at it every few weeks to remind myself of the struggle.


Companies are entities, and hide behind human resources. They have no soul.

They don't care that :

    • you sacrifice for them
    • you did what you were supposed to
    • you did what you were told to do
They don't care that :
    • it's Christmas time
    • You have a wife and kids to feed
    • you need the income
They don't care :
    • how long you have worked there
    • what you did 6 months ago to help the company
    • what ideas you have to improve the company
    • about your degree
Does your wife think that employment equals job security? Does your husband think that your income is stable? Do YOU think that if you work hard, that will somehow make you un-fireable?

My hope is this is the start of a great new chapter for you.



Just posting it here again, it's a great reminder for some of us.

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The reason you couldn't find it in a search is because it is INSIDERS CONTENT, not indexed. LOL

If you are ever looking for something that you can't find, jump into the INSIDERS section and then search, as the INSIDERS content is searchable by INSIDERS but only from within inside.

That's OK. It is a good teaser for the higher level content that exists on the inside.

For those of you with INSIDERS access, here's the thread it came from:

Introduction - My new boss just extended my probationary period!
 

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I can sympathize with your husband. I'm basically in the same boat. My pay hasn't been cut but the company I work for restructures every 3 or 4 years and we are due for a big one. I've seen a lot of good people get dismissed.

On the bright side, your head is in the right place and it looks like you've found your WHY?

Sent from my Galaxy S7 using Tapatalk

Thanks! I have found my WHY and and while it stinks to have his pay cut, I know I can help make up the difference with a great business.
 
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they refused to take accountability for physically harming a customer
What the shit? Did McDonalds pour hot coffee into her lap? Did they pick up the coffee, walk over to her, and then throw it in her lap? Or was it self-inflicted?

Interestingly this kind of attitude is precisely the same sick attitude of "I have no control", "bad things just happen to me and it's some big bad company's fault and they owe me" that this thread is aimed against.

Every individual is responsible for their own actions. You're not some helpless child, with big corporations your daddy, who should be nice to you and give you presents! Boo hoo!

You have no right to burden others with your own retardedness. So selling $1 coffees is to be attached with multimillion liability if you do something stupid with it? Everyone else is to be your free insurance policy against your own ineptness? You have to be absolutely perfect at all times, or the customer can take you to the cleaners?

No wonder the middle-class constantly erodes. The only people who can risk going into business nowadays are the megacorporations who can draft up 10 layers thick of legal protections and compliance.

F*cking parasites. Slip-and-fall negligence bullshit and strict liability for products was socialism weaseling in through the judicial branch. Theft by another name.
 
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Good businesses treat you well when the business is making money. None treat you well when they are losing money.

Employers don't owe you a damn thing besides a paycheck for the work you perform for them. They only hire you so they can make money... not so you can make money.

You dont own a business very long if you're not making money. Most people call that a hobby or a bankruptcy.
 
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The reason you couldn't find it in a search is because it is INSIDERS CONTENT, not indexed. LOL

If you are ever looking for something that you can't find, jump into the INSIDERS section and then search, as the INSIDERS content is searchable by INSIDERS but only from within inside.

That's OK. It is a good teaser for the higher level content that exists on the inside.

For those of you with INSIDERS access, here's the thread it came from:

Introduction - My new boss just extended my probationary period!


Crap I didnt even know.

Its been so long now when I look at that thread ( yeah a year + is long to me ). I printed it off back then and then over time just forgot where I even got it. I even questioned when I did a search if it was even FLF since I couldn't find it.

Sorry, I didn't try to on purpose expose INSIDERS content. Just forgot where it came from.
 

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You are dispensable

Im not naive to the fact that im dispensable. When the owner gave me the position I have he sat me down and told me to my face that I'm replaceable.

On that same note he's mentored me and helped me build my company to the point where I dont have to work for him, or anyone for that matter any more. But I want to, because the things I learn and observe from within the company I work for directly benefit and increase the performance of what I do in my company.

Yeah the company might not care about what I do and I may be completely dispensable and F*ck it I might get fired or laid off one day. But it doesnt deter from the fact that the people that make up that company can teach you things that you couldnt learn on your own that can directly benefit your fastlane ventures.
 

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Very well put. I couldn't agree more. Thank you indeed.
Glad my thoughts on this came across clearly!

I'll add that this kind of consumer protection helps companies too. For instance, I am not afraid to buy coffee at McDonald's, or any menu item for that matter, because if it's acutely harmful I figure someone has already sued. Obviously, no company wants to be the target of a lawsuit, but the system itself allows for a general sense of consumer trust in most companies.

...And also, I think most business owners would rather be sued than shot. Because I'm pretty sure that the Wild Wild West alternative to lawsuit culture is vigilantism. :)
 

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One thing about the OP is that with a change in frame of reference, this becomes a stellar list of reasons to go fastlane and be the OWNER of aforementioned company.

They don't care that :
    • you sacrifice for them
    • you did what you were supposed to
    • you did what you were told to do
They don't care that :
    • it's Christmas time
    • You have a wife and kids to feed
    • you need the income
They don't care :
    • how long you have worked there
    • what you did 6 months ago to help the company
    • what ideas you have to improve the company
    • about your degree

If I'm the guy that owns this, I'm looking at this list and going "hell yeah". :clench:
 

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Companies are entities, and hide behind human resources.
I appreciate this thread, and I understand the sentiment.

I wonder sometimes...do companies really exist at all. Or do they exist only on paper? I've seen buildings, products, people, people performing services and people making decisions. Are companies actually non-entities and people are hiding their bad behavior behind a paper company?
 

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