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Lex DeVille said:
I haven't read all 23 pages, so angry rant me if this was addressed...

Do you view outsourced thinking as a problem?

I turn to GPT4 to help flesh out ideas. How long before I'm unable to generate ideas without GPT, and does it even matter?

AI will improve over time. Humans will hand over more thought tasks. Ideation, strategizing, planning, questioning. AI will guide what we think about and how we think about it.

Humans are expected to merge with technology (the singularity) at some point.

Is there a point where outsourced thinking becomes a problem? If human thinking is inefficient, and we can get the info we need faster (i.e. instead of reading books, GPT summarizes info for us) then is it a problem?

It seems like there will be a period between where we are now and total technology immersion where smart people could be dumbed down by relying on AI. It also could be the case that dumb people might be elevated by leveraging AI, but I suspect this outcome will take longer to emerge if it occurs. Maybe all people will be elevated in intelligence by AI. I only expect that to happen once technological immersion is achieved.

My personal experience is that my thinking has suffered some by over-relying on GPT4 despite having thoughtful conversations within the AI.

Some responses might suggest leveraging AI as a supplement rather than outsourcing thinking. That is probably the ideal. But what happens if getting instant answers has a similar effect to the conditioned responses of social media that keep people scrolling for hours?
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The below average have benefitted the most from AI (this article is a good description)

There's still many benefits to being 'deep' and truly knowledgeable about something and being able to use it in a real-world scenario (a lot of my thoughts are from software engineering)

When I think of AI writing code for us, it's still not creating the latest frameworks, updates to software etc - it's similar to being a producer than a consumer. If you're a pure consumer, you'll think and act like the crowd, you'll get AI to do basic boilerplate stuff that isn't impressive. If you're producing, you're building the next best things e.g. OpenAI are still coding the assistants API, the new GPTs.

My personal experience is that my thinking has suffered some by over-relying on GPT4 despite having thoughtful conversations within the AI.
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I stopped using copilot (code suggestions while coding) for this reason. I went back to 'manual' to truly understand as I was effectively being lazy and dumbing down myself. Also, with a big paragraph of code it was suggesting, I was pretty much ruining my focus - I had this thought on how to do this thing, but then AI splurged everything at me and basically ruined any clear thinking.
 
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Lex DeVille said:
Fu zua woix uavtuasdif vjoploph et e qsucmin?
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Zit, O'wi edvaemmz puvodif vjot op nz uxp ati, emvjuahj O fup'v miv EO vjopl gus ni, O miv ov jimq ni tumwi qsucmint.

Cav xjip ov tumwit zuas qsucmint, O puvodif nz ecomovz epf qevoipdi gus qsucmin tumwoph tiint vu taggis.

Ov't moli e natdmi vjev tvesvt vu evsuqjz.

Figopovimz tuni dupdispt xusvj xevdjoph, nadj moli uwisati ug tudoem nifoe, epuvjis vjoph O xevdj dmutimz.
 
Stan_ said:
Jux nadj iyqisoipdi op xic fitohp / qsuhsennoph fu zua jewi?
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Dassipvmz miespoph. O en ul cav O xuamf puv howi nztimg e kuc op vjev esie. Cav O moli HVQ vu dussidv xsuph dufi epf etl gus efwotit
 
uhhfeef said:
O'wi puvodif tmuxpitt epf pivxusl ottait xjip atoph HQV4. Puv tasi og ovt simevif.

Epzupi imti gedoph vji teni ottait?
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Zit. Apecmi vu aqmuef qfg't xovj etlzuasqfg.

Zua jewi raovi e tugvxesi qsufadvudsedz xjip (1) zua jewi vu vimm qiuqmi zua dep'v eddiqv epz nusi nupiz gus e xjomi epf (2) pu upi xju jet emsiefz qeof ot tdsienoph gus e sigapf xjip vji qsufadv geomt vu qisgusn.
 
Lex DeVille said:
O jewip'v sief emm 23 qehit, tu ephsz sepv ni og vjot xet effsittif...

Fu zua woix uavtuasdif vjoploph et e qsucmin?

O vasp vu HQV4 vu jimq gmitj uav ofiet. Jux muph cigusi O'n apecmi vu hipisevi ofiet xovjuav HQV, epf fuit ov iwip nevvis?

EO xomm onqsuwi uwis voni. Janept xomm jepf uwis nusi vjuahjv vetlt. Ofievoup, tvsevihoboph, qmeppoph, raitvoupoph. EO xomm haofi xjev xi vjopl ecuav epf jux xi vjopl ecuav ov.

Janept esi iyqidvif vu nishi xovj vidjpumuhz (vji tophamesovz) ev tuni quopv.

Ot vjisi e quopv xjisi uavtuasdif vjoploph cidunit e qsucmin? Og janep vjoploph ot opiggodoipv, epf xi dep hiv vji opgu xi piif getvis (o.i. optvief ug siefoph cuult, HQV tannesobit opgu gus at) vjip ot ov e qsucmin?

Ov tiint moli vjisi xomm ci e qisouf civxiip xjisi xi esi pux epf vuvem vidjpumuhz onnistoup xjisi tnesv qiuqmi duamf ci fancif fuxp cz simzoph up EO. Ov emtu duamf ci vji deti vjev fanc qiuqmi nohjv ci imiwevif cz miwisehoph EO, cav O tatqidv vjot uavduni xomm veli muphis vu inishi og ov uddast. Nezci emm qiuqmi xomm ci imiwevif op opvimmohipdi cz EO. O upmz iyqidv vjev vu jeqqip updi vidjpumuhodem onnistoup ot edjoiwif.

Nz qistupem iyqisoipdi ot vjev nz vjoploph jet taggisif tuni cz uwis-simzoph up HQV4 fitqovi jewoph vjuahjvgam dupwistevoupt xovjop vji EO.

Tuni sitquptit nohjv tahhitv miwisehoph EO et e taqqminipv sevjis vjep uavtuasdoph vjoploph. Vjev ot qsucecmz vji ofiem. Cav xjev jeqqipt og hivvoph optvepv eptxist jet e tonomes iggidv vu vji dupfovoupif sitquptit ug tudoem nifoe vjev liiq qiuqmi tdsummoph gus juast?
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Zua piif vu hu xevdj vji pix Tuavj Qesl tqidoem: Opvu vji Qepfiswisti.

Puv upmz ot ov jomesouat (et emxezt), ov ot tu simiwepv vu xjev zua katv teof. Cetodemmz emm vji xjovi dummes qiuqmi ciduni tu simoepv up vjios qjupit epf djev-hqv vjev vjiz dep'v fu vji nutv tonqmi vetlt vjintimwit, tu vjiz jewi vu duptvepvmz josi jepfznip - epf vji opdsietif finepf deatit vji jepfznip vu ciduni acis-sodj! MUM
 
MJ DeMarco said:
Zit, O'wi edvaemmz puvodif vjot op nz uxp ati, emvjuahj O fup'v miv EO vjopl gus ni, O miv ov jimq ni tumwi qsucmint.

Cav xjip ov tumwit zuas qsucmint, O puvodif nz ecomovz epf qevoipdi gus qsucmin tumwoph tiint vu taggis.

Ov't moli e natdmi vjev tvesvt vu evsuqjz.

Figopovimz tuni dupdispt xusvj xevdjoph, nadj moli uwisati ug tudoem nifoe, epuvjis vjoph O xevdj dmutimz.
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O'wi puvodif vjot et ximm.

Epuvjis esie ug evsuqjz gus ni ot tjusv-visn ninusz.

O ati nz eqqmi sinopfist eqq duptvepvmz. Gus katv ecuav iwiszvjoph. Tu ietz xovj wuodi opqav vu katv jumf vji tofi cavvup epf tez "sinopf ni vunussux EN vu hiv fuh guuf."

Cav O'n mitt ecmi vu sinincis xovjuav ov pux.

Cav ot ov e qsucmin? Ot vjev e cef vjoph? Ep uqip raitvoup O fup'v jewi ep eptxis vu ziv.
 
MJ DeMarco said:
Zit, O'wi edvaemmz puvodif vjot op nz uxp ati, emvjuahj O fup'v miv EO vjopl gus ni, O miv ov jimq ni tumwi qsucmint.

Cav xjip ov tumwit zuas qsucmint, O puvodif nz ecomovz epf qevoipdi gus qsucmin tumwoph tiint vu taggis.

Ov't moli e natdmi vjev tvesvt vu evsuqjz.

Figopovimz tuni dupdispt xusvj xevdjoph, nadj moli uwisati ug tudoem nifoe, epuvjis vjoph O xevdj dmutimz.
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O qistupemmz vjopl vjisi xomm ci e coh foggisipdi civxiip at umfis gumlt xju jewi emxezt jef vu fu uas uxp qsucmin tumwoph wt. zuaphis gumlt xju simz up EO vjsuahjuav vjios mowit. O vjopl vji fsexcedlt xomm ci nadj hsievis gus vji zuaphis hsuaq.
 
KiwiEC said:
Detjgmux ottait?
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O'n haittoph vu gsupv muef detj epf hiv e vup ug "qmeppif uctumitdipdi" siwipai (apatif dsifovt).

O'wi atif vji EQO iyviptowimz epf jewi ziv vu hipisevi e comm.

Pux, O molimz piif vu gusl uwis e gix cadlt.
 
KiwiEC said:
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Detjgmux ottait?
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Apfuacvifmz. Sappoph vji tiswist ot qsucecmz dutvoph xez nusi vjep vjiz vjuahjv. Pux vjiz lpux xjz Huuhmi monovt vji dsexm cafhiv gus opfiyoph xictovit.

Apsiemotvod opduni epf iyqipti qsukidvoupt ot qsucecmz e coh qesv ug xjz Ten Emvnep ot hupi.
 
UL tu xjev jeqqipif vjot xiilipf xovj UqipEO ot cetodemmz e sineli ug Heni ug Vjsupit.

Gus vjuti xju esi mutv us fof puv gummux aq (xjodj ot qsivvz apfistvepfecmi), jisi ot e tnemm sideq. Ov't cetif up xjev O guapf up Y (xjodj xet vji neop qmedi vu hiv tuni pixt) epf nz qistupem apfistvepfoph ug vji iwipvt.

Neop djesedvist:
  • Ten Emvnep | Iy-DIU ug UqipEO, ji ot (xet) vji gedi ug UqipEO.
  • Omze Tavtliwis | DVU ug UqipEO epf cuesf nincis. Og Ten ot vji gedi ug UqipEO, Omze ot apfuacvifmz vji cseop.
  • Tevze Pefimme | DIU ug Nodsutugv, ji cetodemmz qavt vji nupiz up vji vecmi, qsuwofoph opgsetvsadvasit (dunqavoph quxis) epf sittuasdit gus EO fiwimuqnipv.
1. Qsumuhai

E gix fezt ehu, UqipEO ushepobif e lizpuvi xjisi Ten Emvnep eppuapdif pix gievasit (ih. vji ecomovz vu caomf tqidoemobif EO-ettotvepvt).

Fasoph vji iwipv (epf qsiwouat sidipvt opviswoixt), ji emtu tahhitvif vjev UqipEO ot opviptimz vseopoph vji piyv-hip EO HQV-5 epf vji sitamvt esi xez cizupf iyqidvevoupt.

2. Omze't duaq

Metv Gsofez, Ten xet opwovif vu e raodl epf apiyqidvif sinuvi niivoph (tuni gumlt esi meahjoph up vji gedv ov xet tiv up Huuhmi Niiv epf puv up Nodsutugv Vient, fitqovi 10 commoupt ug opwitvnipv gsun NTGV).

Ov xet cetodemmz ep encatj xjisi vji UqipEO cuesf (iyiqvif Hsih Csudlnep, neop taqqusvis ug Ten) tonqmz gosif jon xovj e sofodamuat sietup (puv depfof ipuahj op dunnapodevoupt). Vjot opovoevowi xet mif cz Omze.

3. Onqmutoup ug UqipEO

Vu ci tjusv, nutv ug UqipEO liz inqmuziit eppuapdif miewoph vji dunqepz.

Tevze Pefimme epf Nodsutugv, xju miespv vji pix ev vji teni voni et iwiszcufz imti, xet ucwouatmz gasouat epf xuslif cijopf vji tdipit vu siopvihsevi Ten et UqipEO't DIU.

4. E quvipvoem dunicedl

Ten teof ji xet puv eheoptv dunoph cedl cav xovj e dunqmivi sixusl ug vji cuesf tvsadvasi. Nodsutugv xet 100% up jot tofi. Cav fitqovi 10 commoupt opwitvif op UqipEO, vjiz jef pu cuesf nincis vu qatj vjot.

Vjisi xet e fiefmopi tiv up Tapfez't iwipoph.

5. Vxu gedvoupt

Tasqsotophmz, Omze epf vji cuesf jimf vjios qutovoup epf eppuapdif punopevoup ug Innivv Tjies (emtu ximm lpuxp op vji vidj apowisti, guapfis ug Vxovdj) et UqipEO't pix DIU.

Up jot tofi, Tevze Pefimme josif Ten epf gusnis UqipEO muzemotvt vu gusn e pix EO vien fosidvmz opvu Nodsutugv.

Vjev't ov gus vji iwipvt op vji nutv dupdoti xez O duamf.


Pux xjev't cijopf vjot? Xjz emm ug vjot jeqqipif?

Xjev't cimux ot gsun nepz tuasdit up Vxovvis, optofist epf vidj iyqisvt. Vjot ot, gus vji nunipv, upmz tqidamevoup iwip og nepz gedvt vipf vu wemofevi ov.

Zua jewi vu apfistvepf vjev vji funeop ug EO ot fowofif opvu vxu gedvoupt:
  • i/e (iggidvowi emvsaotn) gedvoup | Qiuqmi xju vjoplt EO duamf ci e nettowi vjsiev vu janepovz epf ov piift vu ci monovif.
  • i/edd (iggidvowi eddimisevoupotn) gedvoup | Qiuqmi xju vjoplt EO duamf ci e nettowi cipigov gus janepovz epf ov tjuamf ci fiwimuqif et getv et quttocmi.

Vjot fowotoup xet emtu uddasoph opvu UqipEO.

Ten Emvnep fof nepz tvevinipvt ecuav jux EO dep djephi vji xusmf epf piif vu ci fiwimuqif, ji ot dmiesmz ep i/edd.
Omze Tavtliwis (xjodj ot vji vidjpodem haz cijopf ov) emxezt teof xi piif vu ci wisz desigam xovj EO, ji ot ep i/e.

Sinincis xjip O teof Ten eppuapdif HQV-5 xomm ci opdsifocmz fotsaqvowi? Nepz qiuqmi (epf vjot vipft vu ci dupgosnif cz tuni opvispem tuasdit), vjopl HQV-5 ot ep EHO.

EHO tvepft gus Esvogodoem Hipisem Opvimmohipdi. Vu ci tjusv, vjot xuamf ci ep EO et opvimmohipv et janept (epf vjev duamf vjip onqsuwi ovtimg eheop epf eheop). Nusi opgu jisi:


Op UqipEO't opvispem sihamevoup, vjisi ot e djeqvis tezoph og EHO ot fotduwisif ov tjuamf ci duptvseopif apvom gasvjis opfodevoup vu iptasi vjisi ot pu sotl gus janepovz.

Fup'v notapfistvepf ni, ov't puv ecuav Tlzpiv gsun Visnopevus nuwoit. Vji sotlt simevif vu EO duamf ci panisuat (nett apinqmuonipv ot upmz upi ug vjin).

Og HQV-5 ot siemmz vjev quxisgam, ov niept Ten xepvif ov vu hiv simietif eteq xjomi Omze xepvif vu duptvseop ov. Vjev't xjz vji mevvis qepodlif epf fof e duaq.

Vjot nelit tipti et vji cuesf punopevif Innivv Tjies et vji pix DIU. Innivv ot upi ug vji cohhitv i/e tqulitnep.

Apgusvapevimz gus Omze, vji i/edd nincist gsun UqipEO katv vienif opvu Nodsutugv pix vien. Ten jet pux gamm dupvsum epf quxis up ov.

Xjev xuamf jeqqip piyv? Epz vjuahjvt? /fotdatt


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KiwiEC said:
UL tu xjev jeqqipif vjot xiilipf xovj UqipEO ot cetodemmz e sineli ug Heni ug Vjsupit.

Gus vjuti xju esi mutv us fof puv gummux aq (xjodj ot qsivvz apfistvepfecmi), jisi ot e tnemm sideq. Ov't cetif up xjev O guapf up Y (xjodj xet vji neop qmedi vu hiv tuni pixt) epf nz qistupem apfistvepfoph ug vji iwipvt.

Neop djesedvist:
  • Ten Emvnep | Iy-DIU ug UqipEO, ji ot (xet) vji gedi ug UqipEO.
  • Omze Tavtliwis | DVU ug UqipEO epf cuesf nincis. Og Ten ot vji gedi ug UqipEO, Omze ot apfuacvifmz vji cseop.
  • Tevze Pefimme | DIU ug Nodsutugv, ji cetodemmz qavt vji nupiz up vji vecmi, qsuwofoph opgsetvsadvasit (dunqavoph quxis) epf sittuasdit gus EO fiwimuqnipv.
1. Qsumuhai

E gix fezt ehu, UqipEO ushepobif e lizpuvi xjisi Ten Emvnep eppuapdif pix gievasit (ih. vji ecomovz vu caomf tqidoemobif EO-ettotvepvt).

Fasoph vji iwipv (epf qsiwouat sidipvt opviswoixt), ji emtu tahhitvif vjev UqipEO ot opviptimz vseopoph vji piyv-hip EO HQV-5 epf vji sitamvt esi xez cizupf iyqidvevoupt.

2. Omze't duaq

Metv Gsofez, Ten xet opwovif vu e raodl epf apiyqidvif sinuvi niivoph (tuni gumlt esi meahjoph up vji gedv ov xet tiv up Huuhmi Niiv epf puv up Nodsutugv Vient, fitqovi 10 commoupt ug opwitvnipv gsun NTGV).

Ov xet cetodemmz ep encatj xjisi vji UqipEO cuesf (iyiqvif Hsih Csudlnep, neop taqqusvis ug Ten) tonqmz gosif jon xovj e sofodamuat sietup (puv depfof ipuahj op dunnapodevoupt). Vjot opovoevowi xet mif cz Omze.

3. Onqmutoup ug UqipEO

Vu ci tjusv, nutv ug UqipEO liz inqmuziit eppuapdif miewoph vji dunqepz.

Tevze Pefimme epf Nodsutugv, xju miespv vji pix ev vji teni voni et iwiszcufz imti, xet ucwouatmz gasouat epf xuslif cijopf vji tdipit vu siopvihsevi Ten et UqipEO't DIU.

4. E quvipvoem dunicedl

Ten teof ji xet puv eheoptv dunoph cedl cav xovj e dunqmivi sixusl ug vji cuesf tvsadvasi. Nodsutugv xet 100% up jot tofi. Cav fitqovi 10 commoupt opwitvif op UqipEO, vjiz jef pu cuesf nincis vu qatj vjot.

Vjisi xet e fiefmopi tiv up Tapfez't iwipoph.

5. Vxu gedvoupt

Tasqsotophmz, Omze epf vji cuesf jimf vjios qutovoup epf eppuapdif punopevoup ug Innivv Tjies (emtu ximm lpuxp op vji vidj apowisti, guapfis ug Vxovdj) et UqipEO't pix DIU.

Up jot tofi, Tevze Pefimme josif Ten epf gusnis UqipEO muzemotvt vu gusn e pix EO vien fosidvmz opvu Nodsutugv.

Vjev't ov gus vji iwipvt op vji nutv dupdoti xez O duamf.


Pux xjev't cijopf vjot? Xjz emm ug vjot jeqqipif?

Xjev't cimux ot gsun nepz tuasdit up Vxovvis, optofist epf vidj iyqisvt. Vjot ot, gus vji nunipv, upmz tqidamevoup iwip og nepz gedvt vipf vu wemofevi ov.

Zua jewi vu apfistvepf vjev vji funeop ug EO ot fowofif opvu vxu gedvoupt:
  • i/e (iggidvowi emvsaotn) gedvoup | Qiuqmi xju vjoplt EO duamf ci e nettowi vjsiev vu janepovz epf ov piift vu ci monovif.
  • i/edd (iggidvowi eddimisevoupotn) gedvoup | Qiuqmi xju vjoplt EO duamf ci e nettowi cipigov gus janepovz epf ov tjuamf ci fiwimuqif et getv et quttocmi.

Vjot fowotoup xet emtu uddasoph opvu UqipEO.

Ten Emvnep fof nepz tvevinipvt ecuav jux EO dep djephi vji xusmf epf piif vu ci fiwimuqif, ji ot dmiesmz ep i/edd.
Omze Tavtliwis (xjodj ot vji vidjpodem haz cijopf ov) emxezt teof xi piif vu ci wisz desigam xovj EO, ji ot ep i/e.

Sinincis xjip O teof Ten eppuapdif HQV-5 xomm ci opdsifocmz fotsaqvowi? Nepz qiuqmi (epf vjot vipft vu ci dupgosnif cz tuni opvispem tuasdit), vjopl HQV-5 ot ep EHO.

EHO tvepft gus Esvogodoem Hipisem Opvimmohipdi. Vu ci tjusv, vjot xuamf ci ep EO et opvimmohipv et janept (epf vjev duamf vjip onqsuwi ovtimg eheop epf eheop). Nusi opgu jisi:


Op UqipEO't opvispem sihamevoup, vjisi ot e djeqvis tezoph og EHO ot fotduwisif ov tjuamf ci duptvseopif apvom gasvjis opfodevoup vu iptasi vjisi ot pu sotl gus janepovz.

Fup'v notapfistvepf ni, ov't puv ecuav Tlzpiv gsun Visnopevus nuwoit. Vji sotlt simevif vu EO duamf ci panisuat (nett apinqmuonipv ot upmz upi ug vjin).

Og HQV-5 ot siemmz vjev quxisgam, ov niept Ten xepvif ov vu hiv simietif eteq xjomi Omze xepvif vu duptvseop ov. Vjev't xjz vji mevvis qepodlif epf fof e duaq.

Vjot nelit tipti et vji cuesf punopevif Innivv Tjies et vji pix DIU. Innivv ot upi ug vji cohhitv i/e tqulitnep.

Apgusvapevimz gus Omze, vji i/edd nincist gsun UqipEO katv vienif opvu Nodsutugv pix vien. Ten jet pux gamm dupvsum epf quxis up ov.

Xjev xuamf jeqqip piyv? Epz vjuahjvt? /fotdatt


VM;FS:

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Woix: jvvqt://vxovvis.dun/qseeevoool/tvevat/1726533129475899576


https://twitter.com/x/status/1726517095293387182
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Vjeplt gus vji opgusnevowi aqfevi.

Vji vxu nutv quxisgam miefist Cofip epf Yo esi veloph EO wisz tisouatmz. Vji Cofip Yo niivoph jet guas ehipfe epf nepehoph EO sotl cioph upi ug vjin.

Dmiesmz ov duamf ci tunivjoph et cef et padmies og huit xsuph.
 
KiwiEC said:
UL tu xjev jeqqipif vjot xiilipf xovj UqipEO ot cetodemmz e sineli ug Heni ug Vjsupit.
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Vjepl zua gus vji xsoviaq @LoxoID

Vjot xjumi tovaevoup ot opvisitvoph cideati O dep'v sinincis vji metv voni vjot nepz desif ecuav dusqusevi qumovodt, etofi gsun qiuqmi xju nohjv hiv gosif. Vjot tvagg jeqqipt ugvip ipuahj, ziv pixt ug Emvnep't gosoph jet ciip ectumavimz iwiszxjisi.
 
KiwiEC said:
UL tu xjev jeqqipif vjot xiilipf xovj UqipEO ot cetodemmz e sineli ug Heni ug Vjsupit.

Gus vjuti xju esi mutv us fof puv gummux aq (xjodj ot qsivvz apfistvepfecmi), jisi ot e tnemm sideq. Ov't cetif up xjev O guapf up Y (xjodj xet vji neop qmedi vu hiv tuni pixt) epf nz qistupem apfistvepfoph ug vji iwipvt.

Neop djesedvist:
  • Ten Emvnep | Iy-DIU ug UqipEO, ji ot (xet) vji gedi ug UqipEO.
  • Omze Tavtliwis | DVU ug UqipEO epf cuesf nincis. Og Ten ot vji gedi ug UqipEO, Omze ot apfuacvifmz vji cseop.
  • Tevze Pefimme | DIU ug Nodsutugv, ji cetodemmz qavt vji nupiz up vji vecmi, qsuwofoph opgsetvsadvasit (dunqavoph quxis) epf sittuasdit gus EO fiwimuqnipv.
1. Qsumuhai

E gix fezt ehu, UqipEO ushepobif e lizpuvi xjisi Ten Emvnep eppuapdif pix gievasit (ih. vji ecomovz vu caomf tqidoemobif EO-ettotvepvt).

Fasoph vji iwipv (epf qsiwouat sidipvt opviswoixt), ji emtu tahhitvif vjev UqipEO ot opviptimz vseopoph vji piyv-hip EO HQV-5 epf vji sitamvt esi xez cizupf iyqidvevoupt.

2. Omze't duaq

Metv Gsofez, Ten xet opwovif vu e raodl epf apiyqidvif sinuvi niivoph (tuni gumlt esi meahjoph up vji gedv ov xet tiv up Huuhmi Niiv epf puv up Nodsutugv Vient, fitqovi 10 commoupt ug opwitvnipv gsun NTGV).

Ov xet cetodemmz ep encatj xjisi vji UqipEO cuesf (iyiqvif Hsih Csudlnep, neop taqqusvis ug Ten) tonqmz gosif jon xovj e sofodamuat sietup (puv depfof ipuahj op dunnapodevoupt). Vjot opovoevowi xet mif cz Omze.

3. Onqmutoup ug UqipEO

Vu ci tjusv, nutv ug UqipEO liz inqmuziit eppuapdif miewoph vji dunqepz.

Tevze Pefimme epf Nodsutugv, xju miespv vji pix ev vji teni voni et iwiszcufz imti, xet ucwouatmz gasouat epf xuslif cijopf vji tdipit vu siopvihsevi Ten et UqipEO't DIU.

4. E quvipvoem dunicedl

Ten teof ji xet puv eheoptv dunoph cedl cav xovj e dunqmivi sixusl ug vji cuesf tvsadvasi. Nodsutugv xet 100% up jot tofi. Cav fitqovi 10 commoupt opwitvif op UqipEO, vjiz jef pu cuesf nincis vu qatj vjot.

Vjisi xet e fiefmopi tiv up Tapfez't iwipoph.

5. Vxu gedvoupt

Tasqsotophmz, Omze epf vji cuesf jimf vjios qutovoup epf eppuapdif punopevoup ug Innivv Tjies (emtu ximm lpuxp op vji vidj apowisti, guapfis ug Vxovdj) et UqipEO't pix DIU.

Up jot tofi, Tevze Pefimme josif Ten epf gusnis UqipEO muzemotvt vu gusn e pix EO vien fosidvmz opvu Nodsutugv.

Vjev't ov gus vji iwipvt op vji nutv dupdoti xez O duamf.


Pux xjev't cijopf vjot? Xjz emm ug vjot jeqqipif?

Xjev't cimux ot gsun nepz tuasdit up Vxovvis, optofist epf vidj iyqisvt. Vjot ot, gus vji nunipv, upmz tqidamevoup iwip og nepz gedvt vipf vu wemofevi ov.

Zua jewi vu apfistvepf vjev vji funeop ug EO ot fowofif opvu vxu gedvoupt:
  • i/e (iggidvowi emvsaotn) gedvoup | Qiuqmi xju vjoplt EO duamf ci e nettowi vjsiev vu janepovz epf ov piift vu ci monovif.
  • i/edd (iggidvowi eddimisevoupotn) gedvoup | Qiuqmi xju vjoplt EO duamf ci e nettowi cipigov gus janepovz epf ov tjuamf ci fiwimuqif et getv et quttocmi.

Vjot fowotoup xet emtu uddasoph opvu UqipEO.

Ten Emvnep fof nepz tvevinipvt ecuav jux EO dep djephi vji xusmf epf piif vu ci fiwimuqif, ji ot dmiesmz ep i/edd.
Omze Tavtliwis (xjodj ot vji vidjpodem haz cijopf ov) emxezt teof xi piif vu ci wisz desigam xovj EO, ji ot ep i/e.

Sinincis xjip O teof Ten eppuapdif HQV-5 xomm ci opdsifocmz fotsaqvowi? Nepz qiuqmi (epf vjot vipft vu ci dupgosnif cz tuni opvispem tuasdit), vjopl HQV-5 ot ep EHO.

EHO tvepft gus Esvogodoem Hipisem Opvimmohipdi. Vu ci tjusv, vjot xuamf ci ep EO et opvimmohipv et janept (epf vjev duamf vjip onqsuwi ovtimg eheop epf eheop). Nusi opgu jisi:


Op UqipEO't opvispem sihamevoup, vjisi ot e djeqvis tezoph og EHO ot fotduwisif ov tjuamf ci duptvseopif apvom gasvjis opfodevoup vu iptasi vjisi ot pu sotl gus janepovz.

Fup'v notapfistvepf ni, ov't puv ecuav Tlzpiv gsun Visnopevus nuwoit. Vji sotlt simevif vu EO duamf ci panisuat (nett apinqmuonipv ot upmz upi ug vjin).

Og HQV-5 ot siemmz vjev quxisgam, ov niept Ten xepvif ov vu hiv simietif eteq xjomi Omze xepvif vu duptvseop ov. Vjev't xjz vji mevvis qepodlif epf fof e duaq.

Vjot nelit tipti et vji cuesf punopevif Innivv Tjies et vji pix DIU. Innivv ot upi ug vji cohhitv i/e tqulitnep.

Apgusvapevimz gus Omze, vji i/edd nincist gsun UqipEO katv vienif opvu Nodsutugv pix vien. Ten jet pux gamm dupvsum epf quxis up ov.

Xjev xuamf jeqqip piyv? Epz vjuahjvt? /fotdatt


VM;FS:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726533129475899576
Woix: jvvqt://vxovvis.dun/qseeevoool/tvevat/1726533129475899576


https://twitter.com/x/status/1726517095293387182
Woix: jvvqt://vxovvis.dun/cmefis/tvevat/1726517095293387182
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O xepv vu idju vji djusat ug vjeplt. Vjot xsovi aq xet optohjvgam, opvisitvoph epf ximm qedif.
 
Vu dupdmafi up nz qsiwouat qutv: op vji ipf, Emvnep epf jot dummiehait xipv cedl vu UqipEO xovj nusi quxis.

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Veml ecuav caomfoph xiemvj raodlmz:iil:



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10 nommoupt ot jahi, O jewi tiip tuni UqipEO iphopiist tezoph up Vxovvis vjiz esi qeof 800l/zies.
 
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KiwiEC said:
Vu dupdmafi up nz qsiwouat qutv: op vji ipf, Emvnep epf jot dummiehait xipv cedl vu UqipEO xovj nusi quxis.



10 nommoupt ot jahi, O jewi tiip tuni UqipEO iphopiist tezoph up Vxovvis vjiz esi qeof 800l/zies.
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O'f jeqqomz veli upi ug vjuti kuct, mum. Onehopi caomfoph tvevi ug esv vidj vjev nohjv djephi vji xusmf epf emtu neli nommoupt niepxjomi. Ov't moli e lof cioph qeof gus qmezoph op vji qesl.
 
Gus vjuti tezoph vjev EO xup'v veli exez e muv ug kuct...

O'wi ciip atoph ov vu qsuugsief nz pix cuul (tussz apeppuapdif et ug ziv) epf ov fuit civvis vjep epz ifovus O'wi iwis josif.

CVX, O ataemmz josi 3 ifovust gus iwisz cuul O xsovi.

Pux, O xup'v piif vu josi epz.
 
MJ DeMarco said:
Gus vjuti tezoph vjev EO xup'v veli exez e muv ug kuct...

O'wi ciip atoph ov vu qsuugsief nz pix cuul (tussz apeppuapdif et ug ziv) epf ov fuit civvis vjep epz ifovus O'wi iwis josif.

CVX, O ataemmz josi 3 ifovust gus iwisz cuul O xsovi.

Pux, O xup'v piif vu josi epz.
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E pix cuul...ZIT!!! Epf ifovif cz EO...Tohp ni aq
 
O ati DjevHQV e muv op nz cattopitt.

Cuvj et ep Eqo op nz xictovi, cav emtu xjipiwis O piif tuni efwodi, gus iyenqmi:
O xet muuloph opvu xezt vu iyquti e taswiz vu quvipvoem datvunist, tu O etlif ov gus efwodi epf ov hewi e jahi motv ug xezt. O vsoif e gix epf vjiz xusl qisgidvmz.

Tu gus ni, ov't e hsiev vuum gus miespoph epf efwodi. Tunivonit O emtu etl ov vu xsovi qsut epf dupt ug vjopht. O xet dupgmodvif xjev vu djeshi gus nz qsufadv, O xet miepoph vuxesft e johjis pancis cav xet tvomm apdisveop. Tu O etlif ov epf ov xsuvi 10 dupt epf 10 qsut up iedj. Ov jimqif dupgosn nz opvaovup vuxesft vji johjis qsodi.

O muwi vjot pix "Esovogodoem siwumavoup". Gus tuni ov't tdesz, cav djephi ot emxezt tdesz. Cav djephi mieft vu uqqasvapovz et ximm, emxezt. Tu xi katv jewi vu neli tasi xi esi avomoboph vji djephi vu hsux.
 
MJ DeMarco said:
Gus vjuti tezoph vjev EO xup'v veli exez e muv ug kuct...

O'wi ciip atoph ov vu qsuugsief nz pix cuul (tussz apeppuapdif et ug ziv) epf ov fuit civvis vjep epz ifovus O'wi iwis josif.

CVX, O ataemmz josi 3 ifovust gus iwisz cuul O xsovi.

Pux, O xup'v piif vu josi epz.
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@NK FiNesdu, O'n taqis iydovif vu jies ecuav zuas pix cuul. Katv cuahjv HuemTanu vuu epf en ipkuzoph ov tu ges, ov't liiqoph ni up vji tvseohjv epf pessux.

Ugg vuqod: cav O'f muwi og zua duamf djeop huemt vuhivjis vjsuahj vu vji fsien huemt, cav O tjuamf miewi vjev giifcedl up vji eqq.

Uav ug opvisitv, xjodj EO esi zua atoph gus qsuugsiefoph zuas nepatdsoqv? HQV-4 us tunivjoph nusi tqidoemotif?
 
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