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The Worldwide C0VlD-19 Coronavirus Pandemic Discussion Thread...

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@msufan, I'm all for looking on the bright side. Having said that, I've been under a 24-hour curfew for the last 5 days (unable to go even to a supermarket) and I don't think you can understand how it messes with your head. You can literally go to jail if you leave your home without a very specific reason. It has never been this easy to get on the wrong side of the law for nothing.

If you can play sports, drive your car and be outside without a solid excuse, you are not even under what I would call a real lockdown. Don't tell millions of people around the world who are under a strict lockdown that they can enjoy nice weather or play sports because they CAN'T (unless you count walking in circles or banging your head against the wall).

Stuck in their small dark apartments (most people around the world don't live in houses with big backyards so they can't get outside at all), they don't care that the weather has been great. They can't even get outside to enjoy it because it's illegal for a stupid, illogical reason. Many have been waiting months to finally enjoy warmer temperatures and sunny weather and now they're told to stay at home without knowing how much longer they have to be stuck inside. It's like teasing a starving person with a pizza. Hey it's so tasty, too bad you can't enjoy it but yeah, it's such a nice pizza outside!

Then there's the problem of money. You might be able to continue working but many can't. Their businesses go bankrupt, they lose their jobs, their friends and family lose their businesses or jobs and there's no end in sight. Who cares that they have free time if they might not be able to afford food soon?

Yeah, we should look for the good things but it's (understandably) extremely hard for those who are under a 24-hour curfew, putting up with all the dumb restrictions and seeing governments taking advantage of the situation to impose dystopian-like "laws" and penalties (for sitting ALONE in a park, being in the ocean away from others, taking a walk to maintain sanity, or endless other victimless "crimes").

Over and over again governments around the world have proven that they won't let any good crisis go to waste. This is not the time to seek justifications for their violations, whether there are some good intentions hiding behind their actions or just pure self-serving motives.
 
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Out of context? Really? You are just hell bent on licking boot right now.

How is lying about cause of death on official documents not cause for concern?

How are curfews not cause for concern? How is that keeping anyone safe?

How is kicking small children out of a park with her dad keeping everyone safe?

Tackling a guy on a bike?

Sounding a big siren at night to signify they are no longer allowed to leave their homes?

Shutting down companies? What gives them the right?

Deeming what is and isn't essential? Again, what gives them the right?

No one forces anyone to work and your remark is straw.

Here's the deal. Law enforcement and the government are made up of millions of individuals. Some will make mistakes. Some will overreach. That police officer helped no one by kicking people out of the park.

As far as shutting down businesses, again, can you not see any context with this being a pandemic? Government is meant to protect the rights of the people. If a business would continue to work in a manner that put people in jeopardy of catching/spreading Coronavirus, then there is a reason for that business to be temporarily shut down. And the government is trying to mitigate the damage through incentives for business owners and a check for everyone.

Trump speaks repeatedly about getting the economy rolling again. Obviously no one wants businesses shut down for long.

It's almost like you think the government has no place stepping in to try to stop a pandemic. I disagree.

Beyond that, my post is not saying the various government leaders or law enforcement folks are right in everything they do. I'm just advising people to focus on controlling what they can control. There's a lot more to be gained right now by finding the good in this brief shutdown than there is in searching up random media posts and articles about how bad things are.

Remember, the media gets paid per click... they aren't always giving us the truth either.
 

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The biophase story of not being able to go to his second home is wild. Obviously that particular county is completely out of line and their punishments are not constitutional. I think we can all agree on that.

I still think your slippery slope theory comparing this to the Holocaust is wildly off base.

Things happen when people aren't looking. In order to reconcile the holocaust at all, with human behavior, one must either come to one of two conclusions...

1. The government, and the people that enable it, can get wildly out of hand, and quickly.
or
2. That was because they are Germans and it would never happen to us enlightened Americans.

1. Is the correct answer.
2. Is arrogant as hell.

@MJ DeMarco s example was a perfect comparison and not even close to off base.
 
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@msufan, I'm all for looking on the bright side. Having said that, I've been under a 24-hour curfew for the last 5 days (unable to go even to a supermarket) and I don't think you can understand how it messes with your head. You can literally go to jail if you leave your home without a very specific reason. It has never been this easy to get on the wrong side of the law for nothing.

If you can play sports, drive your car and be outside without a solid excuse, you are not even under what I would call a real lockdown. Don't tell millions of people around the world who are under a strict lockdown that they can enjoy nice weather or play sports because they CAN'T (unless you count walking in circles or banging your head against the wall).

Stuck in their small dark apartments (most people around the world don't live in houses with big backyards so they can't get outside at all), they don't care that the weather has been great. They can't even get outside to enjoy it because it's illegal for a stupid, illogical reason. Many have been waiting months to finally enjoy warmer temperatures and sunny weather and now they're told to stay at home without knowing how much longer they have to be stuck inside. It's like teasing a starving person with a pizza. Hey it's so tasty, too bad you can't enjoy it but yeah, it's such a nice pizza outside!

Then there's the problem of money. You might be able to continue working but many can't. Their businesses go bankrupt, they lose their jobs, their friends and family lose their businesses or jobs and there's no end in sight. Who cares that they have free time if they might not be able to afford food soon?

Yeah, we should look for the good things but it's (understandably) extremely hard for those who are under a 24-hour curfew, putting up with all the dumb restrictions and seeing governments taking advantage of the situation to impose dystopian-like "laws" and penalties (for sitting ALONE in a park, being in the ocean away from others, taking a walk to maintain sanity, or endless other victimless "crimes").

Over and over again governments around the world have proven that they won't let any good crisis go to waste. This is not the time to seek justifications for their violations, whether there are some good intentions hiding behind their actions or just pure self-serving motives.

I appreciate your post and recognize that everyone's situation is different. Are you outside of the US, or is there a 24-hour curfew in certain big cities or something? Your situation seems especially dire.

I'm going to say something you probably won't appreciate: I would use this opportunity to get yourself out of that situation for next time. Personally, I'm already looking at how I can move to a more rural area in the future, for example, as population density is worse for this. And like you said, I want to have a backyard to enjoy if this were to happen again.

I agree with you that your situation sounds rough. I hope you can move past the victimhood of it to set in your mind a desire not to put yourself in this spot ever again.
 
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Things happen when people aren't looking. In order to reconcile the holocaust at all, with human behavior, one must either come to one of two conclusions...

1. The government and the people that enable it can get wildly out of hand, and quickly.
or
2. That was because they are Germans and it would never happen to us enlightened Americans.

1. Is the correct answer.
2. Is arrogant as hell.

@MJ DeMarco s example was a perfect comparison and not even close to off base.

I mean, I guess we have to just agree to disagree here. I usually try to find middle ground with people, but we just see things wildly differently when it comes to this.

For the record, I don't think the government's handling of this pandemic is comparable with the slaughter of millions of Jews. You think it is a perfect comparison. So be it.

If you really feel that way, obviously all of your posts make sense. I guess the only common ground I can find is to say that I still think grumbling on a message board accomplishes nothing; perhaps you should take civic action, contacting your rep and senator, etc.
 

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ETA: Nm. Y’all were busy typing waaaaay more while I was writing. Smdh.

I think various ppl are trying to balance out this thread by injecting some occasional positivity. There are some very heavy and deep ramifications to the ideas being shared here.

The majority of prophetic voices on this thread (if you’re predicting the future or proclaiming woe in ANY way I’m looking at you) are not prescribing actions for people who are facing the woe.

I understand not wanting to tell ppl what to do. I definitely didn’t get on fb and tell 12k of my peers that they should shut down their business just because it made perfect sense for me to do it. I DID tell thousands of other therapists that they needed to find a second income, immediately, though.

If you feel responsible to warn people of “super bad” things on the horizon but don’t recommend any actions or share real hope it leaves ppl feeling helpless and depressed. You can sound super smart all you want but no one’s going to change unless you take the time to be clear about why YOU changed and how it worked.

The GOLD threads are a perfect example of somebody saying “Here’s what I did. It worked. Let me take the time to explain it in a clear way.”

Those threads change people’s lives because they follow a pattern of leadership.

Since the pandemic is happening in real time we don’t have a clear leader through it. We have to be our own leaders, make the best decisions we can, and just go forward. But right now values are being tested.

This is why ppl become numb to the media. It broadcasts horrible things but gives no clear ideas of how you can personally change... AND the media utterly fails at pointing out the values a person needs to weigh to make a decision.

I appreciate this conversation because ppl ARE discussing values.

Some of us value being joyful and encouraging others to focus on the good, true, or beautiful things that occur despite a tragedy. Some of us value clear, specific explanations of the tragedy itself.

It’s ok to value both.
 

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Exactly what I have been thinking.
Yes, the economy in its current state is hurting bad. But it always finds a way. New needs will rise and old ones will become obsolete. What pretty much everyone agrees on, right now, is that there was a before-Covid world, and there will be a post-Covid world, and the economy will change and adapt accordingly.
It's good to see someone thinking and planning ahead. Covid will end. The question is who will be prepared business-wise?
Walter
 
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I can get @msufan 's point. One of the points I was gonna make was that this whole thing is going to come down to individual enforcement.

Fear and herd mentality is making people do really weird things; namely cops overreaching and (in my case) I've started to observe neighbors reporting violators to the police, as if to say "I'm suffering, so you have to also!"

I don't know what I COULD do, other than reaching out to the press and shaming the people whos critical thinking functions have shut down in the last few days...either way I'm watching this closely as I'm not sure where it can be heading.
 

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So 29% of listeners to the podcast with @Kak are from Nigeria, no prior listeners from Nigeria. What’s that about @Kak . Lol

@MJ DeMarco any idea how many FLF members are from Nigeria
Not sure, but I know TMF is a huge hit in Nigeria and can be found in your neighborhood Lagos bookstore.
I have sold books to Fastlane members from Nigeria. Nobody should make the mistake of thinking that the only business activity in Nigeria is scamming.

Walter
 

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No exemptions for the rich and famous either!
 
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Jamaican scientist, Dr Henry Lowe develops ganja-based coronavirus drug

Here's something to lighten the mood. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 

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I mean, I guess we have to just agree to disagree here. I usually try to find middle ground with people, but we just see things wildly differently when it comes to this.

For the record, I don't think the government's handling of this pandemic is comparable with the slaughter of millions of Jews. You think it is a perfect comparison. So be it.

If you really feel that way, obviously all of your posts make sense. I guess the only common ground I can find is to say that I still think grumbling on a message board accomplishes nothing; perhaps you should take civic action, contacting your rep and senator, etc.
Straw.

It is a perfect example of out of control government. I absolutely stand by that. People let that happen... People that didn't raise issues or ask questions.

Hey @Vigilante what text did I share with you the other day that I sent to my county judge? Yes, I have his cell number and I raised thousands of dollars for him. He is the highest executive governmental decision maker in my area until you get to the governor, who I also know, and don't currently have a problem with.
 
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Over and over again governments around the world have proven that they won't let any good crisis go to waste. This is not the time to seek justifications for their violations, whether there are some good intentions hiding behind their actions or just pure self-serving motives.

I would be much rather be overzealous when it comes to the government, than to try and justify why they are doing something questionable.

Take this whole situation out of context: The government tells people to stay home and to not leave the house unless they have to get food, medical care, or if their job is essential and have to go to work.

Speaking of essential, the government decides who works and who doesn't, and orders non "essential" businesses to shut down or face consequences.

For those who aren't at work: have no fear, uncle sam has a $1200 check to bribe you offset the fact that you're out of work indefinitely and arent allowed to leave the house. Thanks uncle sam.

Would this fly any other time? Never. But because there is an invisible monster out there that may or may not kill you (very, very, very unlikely), We have people BEGGING for the government to "step in and save the day" by stripping us of our basic freedoms, in exchange for the illusion that we're fighting this thing.

But dont worry! Its only for 2 weeks. Well now a month. Wait now 2 months.

When it comes to government, I'm very quick to scrutinize, because the government works for us, not against us. When you see them working against us (Telling innocent people in public parks to get lost, questioning where you're going, Telling you what you can and cant do), that is very concerning. They are supposed to uphold our human rights and freedoms, not suppress them.

I would much rather call out their BS right now, early on in this situation, rather than justify away at reasons why they're doing this, or that, until the situation gets obviously bad and it's too late to act.

I (we) will not let this health crisis be the stepping stone for the government to slowly encroach on our freedoms we have as Americans.

We have the responsibility to hold the government responsible for their actions and make it clear where we draw the line. I suggest you write a letter to your representative, do something to let those in government know that we're not happy about what they're doing.
 

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Tyranny for the sake of tyranny.
Government is just seeing what they can get away with.

Here's a trick everyone.

I'm F U C K I N G pissed.

And...my best workouts are when I'm pissed.

If you're pissed, channel that into something productive for a bit, then come back.

You'll feel better for doing so.
 
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So I just found out that I can’t go to my second home. Even homeowners that don’t reside their must leave.

I highly doubt that this is legal.


Yep....been hearing / reading the same here. The rationalization of fear is if you come from a real or perceived 'hot spot', stay away. Don't bring it here. We don't care if you own a home or just visit for a day. Stay away. Ugh. I don't like this one bit.
 

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I highly encourage people to watch the video and come to your own conclusion. What the doctor actually says in the video does not match the click bait in the page description...

Basically, the doctor says that a positive test result isn't necessary to declare a CV death. He uses the example of an older woman who dies from pneumonia after being exposed to her son who tested positive for CV.

This is HIS example, not mine...
Yea I watched it... Skip to 1:51 if you don't have time. This is exactly why I don't trust the media. They come top with these wild sensationalist headlines to get views that show a very pinned view of what was said.

I learned that during the 2016 election. There would be this wacky crazy Trump soundbite saying "look at this crazy thing he said," then I'd track down the full audio and often times it was either completely out of context, or spun into oblivion.

I mean is someone is coming in with all the symptoms of C0VlD-19 and dies on a respirator.. and has been exposed to C0VlD-19, you can make a safe bet that it's a CVD death, without wasting a test. These tests are limited. The text snippet makes it seem like they're falsifying death certificates, which isn't what he said.
 

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Dr Fauci or Dr Fraud?

Here is something interesting:
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C0VlD-19 is still new but from what we know from other Corona Viruses and similar viruses in general is that immunity isn't for life, on one hand. And that, with the way viruses mutate (like the flu), yearly waves require a different yearly shot.

Does this mean that we will have to take a yearly Corona Shot? Who will be making that? Who will be paying for it? Will it be patented or will it be open source, but due to economies of scale only a couple of big players will land government contracts to make it?


My country's government proposed to all major processed food factory that make anything wheat based to focus on making a single type of spaghetti for the sake of efficiency.
For now it's only a suggestion, but it's starting to sound more and more like a commie regime.
 
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Here is something interesting:
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C0VlD-19 is still new but from what we know from other Corona Viruses and similar viruses in general (like the flu) is that immunity isn't for life, on one hand. And that, with the way viruses mutate, yearly waves of the flu require a different yearly shot.
What's the source on this diagram? Most doctors are pretty confident that the CV-19 vaccine will be the only one needed, unless it mutates to something else.

Flu immunity actually does last forever; the reason you need a flu shot yearly is because the flu mutates to a high degree so the flu shot you got last year is actually a different flu than this year. But the immunity to that virus lasts forever.
 

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Flu immunity actually does last forever
Yes my wording was bad. I meant to mention the flu for why we needed a cocktail shot every year.

As for the source, it's in this article. An interesting breakdown of Corona viruses in general.
https://multimedia.scmp.com/infogra...5382/decoding-coronavirus-C0VlD-19/index.html

On an unrelated note, is it me or as these new scrolling kind of pages feel weird for others? I keep seeing more and more of this kind of "scrolling" pages and it honestly feels over the top.
Where are the good old "black text on white background simple html" pages gone?
 

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I am fine with some social distancing, I can do that on my own. I can also still shop at stores that are doing a fantastic job to stay clean and stay open.

What I am not okay with are people being harrased for being in an empty field with their kids. Or being pulled over and given tickets by cops for having more than one person in a vehicle.

Cops up here are literally pulling people over and checking their IDs to make sure they are from the same address, if not they are getting wild tickets. Most of these are being thrown out, but what about the damage of going through all this? What if the police officer who just breathed all over you and handled all your credentials and gave you some dirty a$$ piece of paper is infected? Oh, social distancing doesn't affect "the law". Go back to your homes people. Why do we as tax payers have to pay for this BS? Here take my money so you can treat me like shit and make up whatever laws you want. Just keep me safe!
 

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The doctor from Minnesota that is being encouraged to falsify death records to increase C0VlD-19 death rates is going to be on Twin Cities news talk tomorrow morning at 7:35 AM Minneapolis time. You can catch it online by streaming Iheartmedia. Live tomorrow morning at 7:35 AM central time.
 
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A quick reminder. We still have constitutional rights. You don’t have to talk to cops. If they ask you where you are going, you DO NOT HAVE TO, AND SHOULDN‘T ANSWER. It is none of their business.

 
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I mean, I guess we have to just agree to disagree here. I usually try to find middle ground with people, but we just see things wildly differently when it comes to this.

For the record, I don't think the government's handling of this pandemic is comparable with the slaughter of millions of Jews. You think it is a perfect comparison. So be it.

If you really feel that way, obviously all of your posts make sense. I guess the only common ground I can find is to say that I still think grumbling on a message board accomplishes nothing; perhaps you should take civic action, contacting your rep and senator, etc.

I think the common ground would be that in both cases, millions of peoples lives are affected by decisions that a small group of people in a government are responsible for.

In both cases the government in power boils down to usually a small group of less than a hundred people that are responsible for the message, and direction that is sent to the population of millions. That is how horrific things like the holocaust happen. You believe a German citizen in Germany has a bloodlust and is any different than any other person in any other country at that time or since? Feed a rational person the message you want them to believe, for long enough, with enough "evidence" (factual or made up) and eventually that rational person will believe the only rational solution is the extreme one you provide.

This current situation puts a giant light on behavioral psychology of populations, and how it's moved. It's not a coincidence that countries are all reacting in similar ways. The way to get someone to agree and in this case comply with you is to provide them with enough evidence that leads them to believe that they are making the best/right choice on there own free will.
 

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