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<div class="bbWrapper">I&#039;ve been in marketing for a long time now... normally I feel like I&#039;ve got a pretty good handle on what&#039;s going on in the marketplace, the challenges, and all of that -- but I&#039;ve been seeing something I just can&#039;t quite explain and I&#039;m wondering <b><i>&quot;what am I missing here?&quot;</i></b><br /> <br /> So here&#039;s the jest: <br /> <br /> In my own email inbox, I notice a dozen or more email senders I&#039;ve unsubscribed from... yet, they still show up in my inbox.<br /> <br /> Then I started taking those dozen or so... and marked them spam AND unsubscribed (after I had already unsubscribed)... yet they are STILL showing up in my main inbox! ... so I&#039;ve now tried spam, unsubscribe, AND BLOCK SENDER... now half the time they show up in my main inbox or my spam folder.<br /> <br /> How the hell are they getting through when I&#039;m struggling with some clients&#039; deliverability rates at times?<br /> <br /> So I&#039;ve done a little experimentation this last week... I sent about 6.5 million emails... and I specifically sent to &quot;unsubscribes&quot; as well just to see what would happen... several responses came back saying <i>&quot;I&#039;ve unsubscribed 5 times, why are you still sending me emails?&quot; </i><br /> <br /> What in the world is going on here? Is spam just not a thing anymore? Are unsubscribes not a thing anymore?<br /> <br /> Am I the only one experiencing stuff like this?<br /> <br /> ** 6.5 million last week was across my own email lists and 3 different clients -- all different industries. Coaching, service, and ecomm.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">ME! I made it a thing to clear my inbox, I trashed everything and started unsubscribing as they come. Express keeps emailing me no matter what, to name one. I don’t know how to stop it other than create a new email.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/1278/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="1278" data-username="@Kung Fu Steve">@Kung Fu Steve</a> I noticed the same thing from someone else in my industry a while back. <br /> <br /> Despite unsubscribing and marking their emails spam like 10 times they were still coming though. I ended up blocking them and that resolved it. <br /> <br /> I wish my emails had deliverability like that LOL. If anyone has any clue what’s going on I’d love to hear it. <br /> <br /> On a semi-unrelated note, I just noticed today that one of my biggest competitors has been sending their emails to an email I haven’t used in almost 10 years and they’re right there at the top of the inbox. <br /> <br /> Is regular list cleaning not a thing either?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I&#039;m sending cold email all the time, so have to stay on top of compliance.<br /> <br /> In cases when I&#039;ve messed up like this, it&#039;s usually some issue with a non-functioning unsubscribe link. You can reply &quot;STOP&quot; and usually systems will pick up the fact that you don&#039;t want any more messages (or are simply programmed to no longer send once they get a reply).<br /> <br /> The more malicious explanation is it&#039;s deliberate &quot;incompetence&quot;.<br /> <br /> Either way, in the USA, they have to honor any and all unsub requests within 10 business days or you can file an FTC complaint or sue (yes, really). If you send a firm message that that&#039;s what you intend to do, then they&#039;ll act. The fees can go up to $10k per violation.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 21152" data-quote="BigRomeDawg" data-source="post: 1075379" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075379" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075379">BigRomeDawg said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> A few years ago I heard someone say that like a quarter or half their sales came from their unsubscribe list. It was either Grant Cardone or someone at a FL event. Lol </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Wonder who said that to you <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /><br /> <br /> Yeah, it was at one of his seminars. They did the numbers and over 60% of the ticketholders in the room had unsubscribed from all lists.<br /> <br /> I was messaging with the director from GC last week and that&#039;s apparently their new strategy. &quot;6 emails a day until they unsubscribe and then retarget them with social content&quot;<br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 32930" data-quote="BellaPippin" data-source="post: 1075383" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075383" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075383">BellaPippin said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> ME! I made it a thing to clear my inbox, I trashed everything and started unsubscribing as they come. Express keeps emailing me no matter what, to name one. I don’t know how to stop it other than create a new email. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Express has been the bane of my existence in email... I still buy a shirt occasionally though... <br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 107663" data-quote="xShepherdx" data-source="post: 1075385" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075385" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075385">xShepherdx said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I noticed the same thing from someone else in my industry a while back.<br /> <br /> Despite unsubscribing and marking their emails spam like 10 times they were still coming though. I ended up blocking them and that resolved it.<br /> <br /> I wish my emails had deliverability like that LOL. If anyone has any clue what’s going on I’d love to hear it.<br /> <br /> On a semi-unrelated note, I just noticed today that one of my biggest competitors has been sending their emails to an email I haven’t used in almost 10 years and they’re right there at the top of the inbox.<br /> <br /> Is regular list cleaning not a thing either? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> That&#039;s what I&#039;m saying. HOW are they getting through? And how am I inadvertently getting through in some situations but not others?<br /> <br /> I thought there were HEFTY spam fines... is nobody paying them? Is it not being enforced? Did everyone just give up? I feel like it&#039;s the wild wild west!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 42653" data-quote="Mike Partee" data-source="post: 1075388" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075388" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075388">Mike Partee said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I&#039;m sending cold email all the time, so have to stay on top of compliance.<br /> <br /> In cases when I&#039;ve messed up like this, it&#039;s usually some issue with a non-functioning unsubscribe link. You can reply &quot;STOP&quot; and usually systems will pick up the fact that you don&#039;t want any more messages (or are simply programmed to no longer send once they get a reply).<br /> <br /> The more malicious explanation is it&#039;s deliberate &quot;incompetence&quot;.<br /> <br /> Either way, in the USA, they have to honor any and all unsub requests within 10 business days or you can file an FTC complaint or sue (yes, really). If you send a firm message that that&#039;s what you intend to do, then they&#039;ll act. The fees can go up to $10k per violation. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I had one letter from the FTC when I did a promo for Agora years and years ago but it was because of the content, not SPAM.<br /> <br /> But I&#039;ve not even heard of anyone who&#039;s gotten a fine.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Looks like the FTC has mostly issued warning letters for robocalls lately <br /> <a href="https://www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/warning-letters" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Warning Letters</a> <br /> <br /> The FTC is a very small Government entity. I think they only have a staff of around 60, compared to other areas of the GVT, it&#039;s very small proportionally. <br /> <br /> If you&#039;re in a state with a consumer protection law like California, Nevada, etc, you can report that and they will get a hefty fine from the State. <br /> <br /> My cold email campaigns (I outsource) were cold the last few months. They said it seemed like they were receiving lots of out of office notifications for vacations earlier than in years past... things seem to be picking up now so I&#039;m still working through it. Following along on everyone&#039;s spam journey.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 40955" data-quote="becks22" data-source="post: 1075402" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075402" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075402">becks22 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Looks like the FTC has mostly issued warning letters for robocalls lately<br /> <a href="https://www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/warning-letters" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Warning Letters</a><br /> <br /> The FTC is a very small Government entity. I think they only have a staff of around 60, compared to other areas of the GVT, it&#039;s very small proportionally.<br /> <br /> If you&#039;re in a state with a consumer protection law like California, Nevada, etc, you can report that and they will get a hefty fine from the State.<br /> <br /> My cold email campaigns (I outsource) were cold the last few months. They said it seemed like they were receiving lots of out of office notifications for vacations earlier than in years past... things seem to be picking up now so I&#039;m still working through it. Following along on everyone&#039;s spam journey. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Sorry, FCC (Federal Communications Commission), not FTC (Federal Trade Commission). I mistyped.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/1278/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="1278" data-username="@Kung Fu Steve">@Kung Fu Steve</a> FCC governs anything relating to email, phone, radio, etc.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1278" data-quote="Kung Fu Steve" data-source="post: 1075390" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075390" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075390">Kung Fu Steve said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Wonder who said that to you <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Hahah my memory was decent then. Bit of both!<br /> <br /> Sounds like it might be profitable to sign up for a bunch of email lists, unsubscribe, and sue anyone who keeps emailing..</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1278" data-quote="Kung Fu Steve" data-source="post: 1075375" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075375" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075375">Kung Fu Steve said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> How the hell are they getting through when I&#039;m struggling with some clients&#039; deliverability rates at times? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>They probably have IPs and domains to rotate through. You could check the email headers in the raw messages to see what IP, sender address / domain, message id, DKIM, SPF, etc look like.<br /> <br /> So basically you unsubscribe on one sender IP / address, and just get automatically added to the next one, where you start with a fresh slate, so to say.<br /> <br /> As with most of this stuff, revenue from non-compliance is probably an order of magnitude (or multiple) greater than the fines.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 9009" data-quote="theag" data-source="post: 1075461" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075461" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075461">theag said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> They probably have IPs and domains to rotate through. You could check the email headers in the raw messages to see what IP, sender address / domain, message id, DKIM, SPF, etc look like.<br /> <br /> So basically you unsubscribe on one sender IP / address, and just get automatically added to the next one, where you start with a fresh slate, so to say.<br /> <br /> As with most of this stuff, revenue from non-compliance is probably an order of magnitude (or multiple) greater than the fines. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> A.) Do you think there&#039;s some sort of cool automated service that does this? <br /> <br /> B.)Are these companies so far ahead of the regular spammers (or just have a lot more resources) in tech / skills / team members that they outperform spammers?<br /> <br /> C.) Is there a way to effectively see if they are sending from somewhere else? It looks like they&#039;re all masked as &quot;whateverdotcom&quot;<br /> <br /> D.) Man... I don&#039;t think anybody is paying a fine or fee... I haven&#039;t heard of<i> anybody</i> having to pay. Would love to know if you (or anyone else) has even heard of someone getting dinged for this.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I had to set up a new business e-mail to match my business domain instead of using a google inbox. Was using a warm up service which isn&#039;t anything new but had a good inbox hit rate for the warmups from the start. <br /> What was more surprising is that I seemed to be getting a very respectable 9/10 delivery rate for my cold e-mails (box is only 6 weeks old and started e-mails at 10 days in) with a good open rate as well. <br /> <br /> Perhaps the major providers are having issues with their filtering algos?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1278" data-quote="Kung Fu Steve" data-source="post: 1075469" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075469" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075469">Kung Fu Steve said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> A.) Do you think there&#039;s some sort of cool automated service that does this? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>If there is, it&#039;s probably not public. Shouldn&#039;t be too much effort to code a custom solution.<br /> <br /> Of course this is all a simply academic thought exercise <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-halo.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":innocent: :halo:" title="Innocent :innocent: :halo:" data-shortname=":innocent: :halo:" /><br /> <br /> Let&#039;s say you use ActiveCampaign. You need a server with your custom software. Set up Webhooks (<a href="https://developers.activecampaign.com/page/webhooks" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">https://developers.activecampaign.com/page/webhooks</a>), so your server receives the &quot;an unsubscription occurs&quot; event if a contact unsubscribes from a list. Then you can simply resubscribe them (<a href="https://developers.activecampaign.com/reference/update-list-status-for-contact" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">https://developers.activecampaign.com/reference/update-list-status-for-contact</a>).<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1689041975286-webp.50028/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/46/46644-b44149a9afc4755965531aa9100f7a75.jpg?hash=9gSO-KjBjD" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1689041975286.png" title="1689041975286.png" width="864" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <br /> You could also do this across multiple accounts with different sender domain and dedicated ip (<a href="https://help.activecampaign.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000055459-Dedicated-IP-addresses-with-ActiveCampaign" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">https://help.activecampaign.com/hc/...59-Dedicated-IP-addresses-with-ActiveCampaign</a>) to move people around.<br /> <br /> If you have your own completely custom and self-hosted solution for list management, automations, etc, you have a bunch more options. Could simply use one central list, ignore unsubscribe, and rotate through different API providers or even your own mail servers, with various combinations of sender/IP. Automatically monitor reputation for each, leave the ones with bad reputation alone for some time to recover, etc.<br /> <br /> There are legitimate reasons to manage your sender reputation in some way though. Same as not relying on Amazon, Facebook and Google. For example, you might want to separate your transactional and marketing emails to different providers with different sender domain. Say <a href="mailto:info@brand-store.com">info@brand-store.com</a> and <a href="mailto:steve@brand.com">steve@brand.com</a>.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 1278" data-quote="Kung Fu Steve" data-source="post: 1075469" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075469" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075469">Kung Fu Steve said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> B.)Are these companies so far ahead of the regular spammers (or just have a lot more resources) in tech / skills / team members that they outperform spammers? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I would guess the hardcore spammers have some software like I mentioned above.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 1278" data-quote="Kung Fu Steve" data-source="post: 1075469" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075469" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075469">Kung Fu Steve said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> C.) Is there a way to effectively see if they are sending from somewhere else? It looks like they&#039;re all masked as &quot;whateverdotcom&quot; </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yea you can check the email headers. But for really hardcore spam there are probably ways to fake them.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 1278" data-quote="Kung Fu Steve" data-source="post: 1075469" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075469" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075469">Kung Fu Steve said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> D.) Man... I don&#039;t think anybody is paying a fine or fee... I haven&#039;t heard of<i> anybody</i> having to pay. Would love to know if you (or anyone else) has even heard of someone getting dinged for this. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Haven&#039;t heard of it, too. Maybe some small stuff here and there.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper">Not sure if Steve is asking 1) How do I stop the spam, or 2) How do I become more like the spammers? <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /><br /> <br /> <br /> But yes, this shit drives me nuts. Endless spam that won&#039;t stop coming, despite marking send and eventually blocking sender (which generally does take care of it). <br /> <br /> Wish I could stop the sms &quot;do you need a line of credit&quot; texts. They just rotate numbers though, so impossible to stop.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1278" data-quote="Kung Fu Steve" data-source="post: 1075393" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075393" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075393">Kung Fu Steve said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I had one letter from the FTC when I did a promo for Agora years and years ago but it was because of the content, not SPAM.<br /> <br /> But I&#039;ve not even heard of anyone who&#039;s gotten a fine. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 1278" data-quote="Kung Fu Steve" data-source="post: 1075469" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075469" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075469">Kung Fu Steve said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> D.) Man... I don&#039;t think anybody is paying a fine or fee... I haven&#039;t heard of<i> anybody</i> having to pay. Would love to know if you (or anyone else) has even heard of someone getting dinged for this. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 9009" data-quote="theag" data-source="post: 1075483" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075483" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075483">theag said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Haven&#039;t heard of it, too. Maybe some small stuff here and there. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I have heard of it. But it&#039;s always a big huge egregious spammer who does millions of spam messages and pay $1M-$5M fine. Frankly, every time I hear about it I say to myself, &quot;I bet those numbers pencil out. Cost of doing business&quot;.<br /> <br /> But sometimes there is jail time, so don&#039;t be too brazen...<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="400523" data-url="https://www.spamtitan.com/blog/penalties-for-spamming/" data-host="www.spamtitan.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <span class="fa-2x u-muted"> <i class="fa--xf far fa-spinner fa-pulse "><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" role="img" aria-hidden="true" ><use href="/community/data/local/icons/regular.svg?v=1751816858#spinner"></use></svg></i> </span> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.spamtitan.com/blog/penalties-for-spamming/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Penalties for Spamming: 27 Months Jail Time for Indianapolis Spammer - SpamTitan </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">In the United States the penalties for spamming can be severe, as an Indianapolis-based spammer discovered. The man was sentenced to 27 months in jail.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> </span> www.spamtitan.com </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> The number for the fine has to be big enough to both make the news and pay for the bureaucrats salaries working on this.<br /> <br /> But that bit about $10k per email offense is really just a scary number that doesn&#039;t get enforced or at least if the &quot;little ones&quot; even get enforced, they don&#039;t get publicised.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="400524" data-url="https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-google&amp;q=spam+fine&amp;tbm=nws&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwjKgZHz9YWAAxVoKkQIHcwmDYAQ0pQJegQIDBAB&amp;biw=486&amp;bih=940&amp;dpr=2.23" data-host="www.google.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <span class="fa-2x u-muted"> <i class="fa--xf far fa-spinner fa-pulse "><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" role="img" aria-hidden="true" ><use href="/community/data/local/icons/regular.svg?v=1751816858#spinner"></use></svg></i> </span> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-google&amp;q=spam+fine&amp;tbm=nws&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwjKgZHz9YWAAxVoKkQIHcwmDYAQ0pQJegQIDBAB&amp;biw=486&amp;bih=940&amp;dpr=2.23" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-proxy-href=""> spam fine - Google Search </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc"></div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> </span> www.google.com </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 42653" data-quote="Mike Partee" data-source="post: 1075404" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075404" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075404">Mike Partee said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> As of late last year, this has to be explicitly opt-in or the sender can face a fine.<br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="400512" data-url="https://www.mcguirewoods.com/client-resources/Alerts/2022/12/fcc-ringless-voicemails-are-subject-to-tcpa" data-host="www.mcguirewoods.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mcguirewoods.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F2%2F2024%2F06%2FMW-social-media-icon.jpg&amp;hash=d9c20febba311c36e9e68949ddb47453&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="www.mcguirewoods.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.mcguirewoods.com/client-resources/Alerts/2022/12/fcc-ringless-voicemails-are-subject-to-tcpa" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> FCC Drops Message That Ringless Voicemails Are Subject to TCPA - McGuireWoods </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">FCC Ringless Voicemails Are Subject to TCPA</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mcguirewoods.com%2Fwp-content%2Fthemes%2Fmcguirewoods%2Fdist%2Ffavicon%2Ffavicon-32x32.png&amp;hash=7d78cb52d37bb82bae5a981ec9fc4372&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="www.mcguirewoods.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.mcguirewoods.com </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> Prior to last year you could work around state-level restrictions and get some traction that way, but now the same law applies Federally.<br /> <br /> You can still cold call as the process isn&#039;t &quot;Automated&quot; and not subject to TCPA.<br /> But dropping voicemails require consent (in the USA). </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Now the robo calls etc are the ones getting real crack downs. Fines exceeding hundreds of millions.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 21152" data-quote="BigRomeDawg" data-source="post: 1075414" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075414" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075414">BigRomeDawg said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hahah my memory was decent then. Bit of both!<br /> <br /> Sounds like it might be profitable to sign up for a bunch of email lists, unsubscribe, and sue anyone who keeps emailing.. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Grant Cardone finally gon make me rich</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 16059" data-quote="amp0193" data-source="post: 1075528" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075528" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075528">amp0193 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Not sure if Steve is asking 1) How do I stop the spam, or 2) How do I become more like the spammers? <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /><br /> <br /> <br /> But yes, this shit drives me nuts. Endless spam that won&#039;t stop coming, despite marking send and eventually blocking sender (which generally does take care of it). <br /> <br /> Wish I could stop the sms &quot;do you need a line of credit&quot; texts. They just rotate numbers though, so impossible to stop. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Maybe a little bit of column A and a little bit of column B? <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /><br /> <br /> Nobody ever gets upset about an AD / email that they WANT. But I wonder if there&#039;s becoming a smarter way to segment and send?<br /> <br /> I saw a segmentation model the other day from another big IM guy that depending on how often they open emails, they get put on a daily, weekly, bi-weekly, or even monthly newsletter list. They claim it helps their deliverability but I mean... if everyone is just sending to everyone and skirting the system...<br /> <br /> I don&#039;t have any conclusions just trying to spark ideas...<br /> <br /> As far as the texts go I get the &quot;Hey...&quot; or &quot;Hello&quot; or other phishing attempts from some attractive AI Asian girl.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 72777" data-quote="BizyDad" data-source="post: 1075538" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075538" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075538">BizyDad said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I have heard of it. But it&#039;s always a big huge egregious spammer who does millions of spam messages and pay $1M-$5M fine. Frankly, every time I hear about it I say to myself, &quot;I bet those numbers pencil out. Cost of doing business&quot;.<br /> <br /> But sometimes there is jail time, so don&#039;t be too brazen...<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="400523" data-url="https://www.spamtitan.com/blog/penalties-for-spamming/" data-host="www.spamtitan.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <span class="fa-2x u-muted"> <i class="fa--xf far fa-spinner fa-pulse "><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" role="img" aria-hidden="true" ><use href="/community/data/local/icons/regular.svg?v=1751816858#spinner"></use></svg></i> </span> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.spamtitan.com/blog/penalties-for-spamming/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Penalties for Spamming: 27 Months Jail Time for Indianapolis Spammer - SpamTitan </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">In the United States the penalties for spamming can be severe, as an Indianapolis-based spammer discovered. The man was sentenced to 27 months in jail.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> </span> www.spamtitan.com </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> The number for the fine has to be big enough to both make the news and pay for the bureaucrats salaries working on this.<br /> <br /> But that bit about $10k per email offense is really just a scary number that doesn&#039;t get enforced or at least if the &quot;little ones&quot; even get enforced, they don&#039;t get publicised.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="400524" data-url="https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-google&amp;q=spam+fine&amp;tbm=nws&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwjKgZHz9YWAAxVoKkQIHcwmDYAQ0pQJegQIDBAB&amp;biw=486&amp;bih=940&amp;dpr=2.23" data-host="www.google.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <span class="fa-2x u-muted"> <i class="fa--xf far fa-spinner fa-pulse "><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" role="img" aria-hidden="true" ><use href="/community/data/local/icons/regular.svg?v=1751816858#spinner"></use></svg></i> </span> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-google&amp;q=spam+fine&amp;tbm=nws&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwjKgZHz9YWAAxVoKkQIHcwmDYAQ0pQJegQIDBAB&amp;biw=486&amp;bih=940&amp;dpr=2.23" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> spam fine - Google Search </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc"></div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> </span> www.google.com </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> <br /> <br /> Now the robo calls etc are the ones getting real crack downs. Fines exceeding hundreds of millions. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I&#039;m pretty particular about what goes out / when / how / the copy. I get a little obsessed with it, I guess.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ve never understood the spam thing... and when I felt like I finally &quot;got&quot; marketing I realized that it&#039;s soooo much more profitable and effective to actually find people who WANT to be on your list instead of trying to convince people they should be on there...<br /> <br /> There&#039;s a lot of people on this forum who talk about cold emailing -- which -- could be considered spam in a certain light but I guess the difference is emailing one-by-one versus uploading a scraped list and trying to blast it.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Let me lay some spam bait here at the forum...<br /> <br /> I drank some water from Camp LeJeune back in the 80s.<br /> I need car insurance.<br /> I need some credit repair.<br /> I think I want to buy some Lume Deodorant.<br /> I need a home warranty.<br /> <br /> Now I just need to sit back and watch all the new users pour in!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1" data-quote="MJ DeMarco" data-source="post: 1075693" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075693" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075693">MJ DeMarco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Let me lay some spam bait here at the forum...<br /> <br /> I drank some water from Camp LeJeune back in the 80s.<br /> I need car insurance.<br /> I need some credit repair.<br /> I think I want to buy some Lume Deodorant.<br /> I need a home warranty.<br /> <br /> Now I just need to sit back and watch all the new users pour in! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yesterday a guy called me about getting solar on the roof in my Vegas house. Now, I&#039;m actually interested in this but I won&#039;t be back to Vegas for a few months for him to quote it and I told him that. He said, he would put me on the contact again in 3 months list.<br /> <br /> He f8cking calls me today! The next day! Doesn&#039;t even remember talking to me and goes through his spiel. He says, I have you down as being interested in getting solar on your house. I said, nope I&#039;m not interested and hung up.<br /> <br /> Close on a new home and the next 12 months and all you get are calls about solar, water softeners, pest control and landscaping. It&#039;s crazy.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23" data-quote="biophase" data-source="post: 1075761" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1075761" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1075761">biophase said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Yesterday a guy called me about getting solar on the roof in my Vegas house. Now, I&#039;m actually interested in this but I won&#039;t be back to Vegas for a few months for him to quote it and I told him that. He said, he would put me on the contact again in 3 months list.<br /> <br /> He f8cking calls me today! The next day! Doesn&#039;t even remember talking to me and goes through his spiel. He says, I have you down as being interested in getting solar on your house. I said, nope I&#039;m not interested and hung up.<br /> <br /> Close on a new home and the next 12 months and all you get are calls about solar, water softeners, pest control and landscaping. It&#039;s crazy. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> &quot;It&#039;s just a numbers game, bro. Doesn&#039;t even matter what you say, bro.&quot;</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Never signed up for these guys. They are blocked. They are marked as spam. And they STILL get into my inbox. <br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1689279574219-webp.50096/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/46/46712-26d04827ee5f2e7daae5e8c633a17dba.jpg?hash=WsB8nt9hxF" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1689279574219.webp" title="1689279574219.webp" width="383" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1278" data-quote="Kung Fu Steve" data-source="post: 1076156" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1076156" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1076156">Kung Fu Steve said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Never signed up for these guys. They are blocked. They are marked as spam. And they STILL get into my inbox.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/50096/" target="_blank">View attachment 50096</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Theory:<br /> <br /> By opening blocked senders you are training Gmail&#039;s AI to allow block senders through because you are obviously still interested.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1689281497662-webp.50097/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/46/46713-8fa2fe71a97cc3049a786906fee1d554.jpg?hash=NHlxfH1pdV" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1689281497662.webp" title="1689281497662.webp" width="851" height="155" loading="lazy" /></a></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1278" data-quote="Kung Fu Steve" data-source="post: 1076156" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1076156" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1076156">Kung Fu Steve said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Never signed up for these guys. They are blocked. They are marked as spam. And they STILL get into my inbox.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/50096/" target="_blank">View attachment 50096</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>What I do is just create a filter that skips the inbox for the entire domain. So anything with ridge.com never hits my inbox.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23" data-quote="biophase" data-source="post: 1076210" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1076210" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1076210">biophase said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What I do is just create a filter that skips the inbox for the entire domain. So anything with ridge.com never hits my inbox. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I should *really* organize my inbox better. I know you and Chris are like the gods of those filters and folders and keeping tracking of everything. I&#039;m still in the stone age.</div>
 

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