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    No thank you.

    This is one single opinion. My opinion may be an outlier, or there it may reflect a hole in the market. Either way, wouldn’t you want to know? As entrepreneurs we should always want unbiased opinions of our work, whether good or bad. Whether that person has ‘sold a NYT best seller or not.”

    Let’s say you ran a restaurant. Someone didnt like the noodles. Are you donna say “HOW MANY YEARS DID YOU SPEND IN CULINARY SCHOOL?”.. or are you gonna say ‘okay that’s feedback… maybe that’s one blip on the radar, or maybe it’s a pattern’
     
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    Rule of thumb: In general, if it's easy, don't you think everyone would do it? TL;DR Event vs. Process
    Applied to Business: If person X works only 4 hours a week, why can't I work way more and beat him in competition? He has entry (let's say); if he works 4 hours a week it's gonna take a lot of time for him to develop an entry wall. I don't know how one's going to live on working 4 hours a week until they build an entry wall.
     
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    If I was the king of noodles, and some "dumbshit" didn't like the noodles, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it... especially when the guy came back to my restaurant for seconds. I'd smile and take his money and change nothing.
     
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    I just got done saying it was a very good book. Actually, I recently left a very very nice Amazon review just to help him spread the word. Let’s see if I can find it...
     
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    Your stopping posting here only lasted 10 minutes.
     
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    I never stopped.

    I think you’re misunderstanding my statement. Let me correct it. If people are going to just start arguments over dumb crap that wasn’t even meant as an insult, I’m just going to stop posting here.*

    And no, that’s okay. You don’t have to delete anything.
     
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    Cool. Me personally? I think the more feedback, the better.
     
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    My hope for you is to some day create a business that reaches critical mass.

    Two things will then happen.

    #1 you will understand people's reaction here if you still remember this and

    #2 it won't matter to you
     
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    I understand the reaction. It’s somebody’s work. They’re proud of it. But you have to look at the intention of the post before you get your feathers ruffled. If I was coming in here like ‘the book is sh*t MJ Demarco stole my wife and kicked my dog! and I hate everything he stands for” vs what I said i think it would be different.

    When I put out my book i had sooooo many people proofread it. I didn’t give a sh*t if you were a professional writer, NYT bestseller... i just looked at what they said. Maybe i agreed, maybe i didn’t. But again, feedback is always your best friend.
     
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    @Vigilante @MJ DeMarco

    Actually going back now and reading my post, I do see how it can be interpreted as a little crass. But it wasn’t meant that way, especially considering this was the review I just left on the Amazon page two days ago.


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    But anyway, back on topic
     
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    Cause your tone is quite condescending and argumentative.

    Instead of “what’s your thoughts on the four hour work week?” you have “why does the four hour work week get no love around here”. You are setting a tone of conflict by framing it that way.

    Another example - you suggest MJ change the name of BOTH his best selling, self published, books cause you have a friend who is a “super serious businessman” and it might take an extra few seconds to explain they are worth reading. Do you see why that might have people (on the forum popular from those books) arguing with you?

    People are arguing cause that’s the exact reaction your threads and posts look like they are asking for. I’d reflect a little on the way you post if you want something else to happen.
     
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    -shrugs- i dunno.. i’m not even that big of a fan of 4HWW. I read it once like 5 years ago. I have no real opinion on it either way. I mean it was a cool book, but probably not even my top 100 looks of all time.

    So essentially my post is taken as “omg 4HWW is such a great book and why aren’t you guys giving it the respect it deserves?” lol... if my post was taken that way, I assure you, that’s not how I meant it. I actually find Tim Ferris to be a little corny.

    Just curious because they’re two major best-selling books that are built around the idea of an automated business.
     
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    Thank you for the review. Just a little tip: If you compliment someone, it's best not to include a passive aggressive DIG with the compliment... it invalidates the compliment.

    Just a little analogy ...

    "Wow, Maria you look awesome! That dress really makes you look fit!"

    Translation: Maria is a fat pig.

    Anyhow, I appreciate the "feedback" and I've heard much of it -- "too verbose, a 400 page rant, etc. etc." -- some of it is valid, some of it isn't. I can afford to write a 400 page rant and not have anyone like it. That's the point of being Unscripted.

    My goal isn't to write best-sellers, it's to become the best author I can, help the most, and just maybe, the best-seller title will happen by focusing on the process versus the title.
     
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    nvm

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    This is more of an Anglo American thing though. If a German thought Maria was a fat pig, they'd tell her that.
    If they said the above phrase, they probably mean the dress makes Maria look fitter than she normally does. The backhanded compliment idea would never occur to either the water or receiver. This is where the famous stereotype of blunt and rude Germans comes from.

    Cultural context can play a lot of role in meaning, and an international audience can end up interpreting the same statement dozens of different ways. This is a unique place with lots of high and low context cultures.
     
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    Exactly. I'm re-reading TMF and listening to it on audiobook, which was read by MJ, not a voice actor/narrator. I've read and listened to Stephen King's On Writing, which was his take on the craft of writing and hearing the person who wrote the words read them as if they are talking to me is so much more impactful and resonating than a narrator/TV news anchor type.

    I'm sure they're great, but I can't stand the phony-baloney voice that tries too hard to emphasize certain words or phrases, but it isn't authentic. (If only there was a technology that allowed anyone to take a book or audiobook and use whatever voice they wanted to hear read/narrate the book.

    Don't get me wrong, I've thought about that idea, but I'm guessing each person's voice is protected by some type of copyright law/intellectual property, unless you get their permission to use their voice, as in television where they use their likeness, you open yourself up to being sued, which no one wants. Sorry for the rant.) While I was disappointed (as I'm sure many here on TFLF were as well) that MJ didn't read UnScripted, but had a voice actor/narrator do it, as I can imagine it takes a lot of time to read, re-read, do take after take after take to get a certain word, sentence, phrase or paragraph just right and this time around, the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, after having taken two to three years to write the book.

    I don't know what the ratio is to books sold (physical/digital) versus audiobooks sold (physical/digital), but I would guess at least 5 to 1, maybe 10 to 1, so why take the time to read and record, when the payoff wouldn't be worth it?

    I too appreciate MJ's candor and tough love attitude. I cuss like a sailor, something that some look down on, but I'm honest and that's how MJ is: honest, no bullshit. He could have written another "do as I say, not as I do" business/entrepreneur book that would have just taken up more space on an already crowded shelf and been forgotten, but he went Jerry Maguire and put his balls out there (The Things We Think And Do Not Say) and for those of us who were ready to hear the message, it was and still is the kick in the a$$ that we all needed and still need (speaking of myself).

    I know I sound like a fanboy and I guess I am, but MJ's knowledge and advice are things I find myself coming back to again and again, even when I get frustrated, say this sh*t doesn't work and I want to find another way, an easier way, but I realize, there isn't, not if I want to make something that lasts, that endures, that helps others more than it ever helps me.

    Today, narcissism and the me generation have lost sight of what really matters: being real and leaving a legacy that people can look at and say: this person did it right and for the right reasons, not just what they could get out of it, but what they could do for others.

    It's like Star Wars, the light side versus the dark side: the dark side (self-serving) isn't stronger, but the impulse to do it is always there, quick and ready to join you, as soon as you give in to the temptation. But by doing so means taking shortcuts, being less than honorable/ethical and losing customers, the business and worst of all, yourself.
     
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    OP, if you have a hard time making people read your book recommendations, start by telling them what X book did for you.

    Simply saying "you gotta read it because its awesome" is the equivalent of hype and we're full of it.

    Back in January a "friend" blocked me and stopped talking to me.

    Why? He suggested a book and I explained that due to information overload, I'd like him to tell me more about the book, in order to sell me on reading it. He couldn't. His only argument was "well I like it" and I explained that it wasn't strong enough. After what seemed like an innocent back and forth, he flipped out, called me bipolar and blocked me.

    Am I at fault? Who knows.

    Anyway, here's what I tell people anytime I suggest they read The Millionaire Fastlane:

    "This is the book that turned my life around.

    Yeah, it sounds corny when I say it, but here's what happened:

    I was working at a gym in 2014 and was spending 3,5-4 hours each day commuting. My diet was sh*t, I had zero energy for working out and I developed sleep problems. There were even times that I woke up at 5 am and would cry.

    I picked up TMF during Easter.

    I read it in two days.

    And, a week later, I informed my bosses that I'd quit in summer.

    After that, I began working for myself, had a few nice things going and I never have to worry about getting a job ever again."

    And that's how you suggest books.
     
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    I have told countless people to buy this book AND THEY HAVE!
    I myself have personally purchased this book for family and friends on kindle and hard copy close to 10 times and then they went on to tell other to buy this book AND THEY HAVE!!! I have not ever had to convince someone its not a get rich quick book or even EXPLAIN in any detail why they need to read this book.... All I have ever had to say is LOOK THIS BOOK UP ON AMAZON, IT IS A GAME CHANGER. And its done. Some things speak for themselves- this book, with the reviews on Amazon is one of them.

    Not only that, I would never try to convince someone as to why they should want to do something to better themselves. If someone doesn't see immediate value in me saying that something is a GAME CHANGER, and thats not enough immediate validation, then thats their loss, and I'm moving on.


    As a side note, people around me hold me in a high regard and they value what I have to say, so maybe that too, is the reason why I don't have to convince them of anything when I say it.


    I like your contributions around this forum though, simply because you are a huge contrarian and you spark a lot of discussion on your threads, which I get so much value from everyone who opposes you when they respond to you.
     
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    I just don’t bite my tongue. Cutting through the BS has huge value.

    I think it’s important to look at popular opinion and question it.

    If i hear more than one person say something, I immediately look into it. Because it can be ‘parrotry.’ A lot of popular opinion is wrong, and a lot of people repeat things just because they’ve heard them.

    In those cases it’s important to ask: is there evidence to support this, or is it just parrotry. People can sometimes get mad when you step on what they believe though. It’s a process and people usually like to change their minds in private. What happens is you point out something that doesn’t make sense or is inconsistent, they get mad and argue, but then later, when no one is watching they realize you were right and change their minds. But when you actually point it out they get mad not because they think you’re wrong... simply because it’s a hit to their pride.

    But yes, it is extremely important to question popular opinion. I think that’s the message this entire community is founded upon.
     
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    I was just on Fortune Builders website reading about something author Carol Dweck stated about a fixed mindset, and a growth mindset- and the difference it makes between wealthy people and un wealthy people.

    She said that people with a fixed mindset tended to be un wealthy and people with a growth mindset tended to be wealthy.

    I don't know you at all, but based on ALL the posts I have read of yours today (I was just in your other thread about Habits) I would think that you have a fixed mindset....

    I don't know if you are wealthy or not (I'm not wealthy, but working to get on the path to it), but if you aren't wealthy maybe your next step in the journey could be on expanding your mindset, and allowing yourself to receive the insights from OTHERS who are in the position you want to be in.... You clearly want people to receive the insights that you have on things... You remind me of someone with cognitive dissonance.

    There is nothing wrong with not biting your tongue, others don't bite their tongue either.

    We are all consuming content...sharing information and insights...

    Me personally, whether you are right or wrong, or just have a difference of opinion, I am gonna be more inclined to value the insights of someone who has a growth mindset, than a fixed mindset.

    I know I'm not as succinct as MJ. (Plus girls just use way more words than men anyway cuz we love to talk too much) I have always struggled with needing a lot of words to explain or express what I'm trying to say- so caveat, I hope you get my point.
     
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    I understand, TRUST BUT VERIFY. (Finally I'm succinct). But when I read your posts that is NOT what I comprehend from it.... And maybe not what others are taking away from it either.
     
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    I do alright. And in terms of a fixed/growth mindset, I really have no idea what thread/posts you’re even referring to but it’s quite the opposite. I’m a firm believer that whatever you want to do, you just have to learn. For example when we’re kids we gawk in amazement at adults driving. We sit there in awe thinking that we could never do that. But the reality is we just have to learn. It’s actually really easy and while it seems daunting at the beginning, if we learn it’s actually nothing.

    I’m not sure what posts you’re referring to but, I’m guessing you’re referring to the brain chemistry ones? Are you referring to this post?

    Screen Shot 2018-09-14 at 2.48.50 PM.png

    If you are, that’s the exact point. You can become motivated. But you have to learn how to become motivated. You can become a ‘go-getter.’ But you have to learn how to become a 'go-getter.’ And the thread contains a number of practical ways to move from the first category to the next. But if you think you can just wake up one day and ‘decide’ it, you’re delusional and science disagrees with you. It won’t happen. I 1000000% promise you that. I will bet my entire net worth on it.

    But yes. I’m completely aware of the research behind the Growth vs Fixed mindset stuff. It mostly comes from this book. I agree. It’s very good.
     
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    My mind is very complicated ; )
     
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    People with a fixed mindset though are not gonna learn. Because they have already mentally decided to close themselves off to learning....


    So how are they gonna learn?


    You don't seem to be learning from the successful posters in this thread (MJ and Vigilante particularly) because you keep drilling in on a position/stance that you have on what is being discussed, instead of being open to receiving what others are saying. Thats the same exact thing you did in the Habits thread- you are not even CONSIDERING what the others are saying, you just keep reiterating and driving home the same point you want to make, over and over again, just using different words...


    I know you made this statement:

    "But when you actually point it out they get mad not because they think you’re wrong... simply because it’s a hit to their pride."


    in regard to OTHERS and not yourself, but to me, as I'm reading this thread, I think it most fittingly applies to YOU. Your incessant reiterations is what makes me think this....
     
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    OH The habits thread! That’s what you’re talking about... I totally agreed with that kid lmfao

    he made really good points

    him and i left that thread agreeing on almost every point lol

    okay yea, I’m done with this convo... i knew there was something fishy about this

    Yea, i only have the guy’s book on repeat on my kindle but refuse to listen

    alrighty I’m done, thank you

    i should have realized something was fishy about this when i looked at your 1500 rep bank despite have been here for 6 years

    anyway, me and that guy weren’t arguing.. we were discussing and really making the same point.. ugh my brain hurts now lol
     

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